BofA reportedly near $16B-$17B deal with DOJ


The deal to settle allegations of mortgage shenanigans ahead of the financial crisis would have Bank of America (NYSE:BAC) paying about $9B in cash to Justice and other government entities, with the additional money going towards consumer relief, reports the WSJ.

A previous report had BofA upping its settlement bid to $14B last week, but the DOJ still holding out for $17B.

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  • Quoth the Raven
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    That's a spicy meatball!
    6 Aug 2014, 04:20 PM Reply Like
  • JamesChessing21
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    More shareholder bacon down the 0bama drain...it sets a precedent, do not be naive enough to think that 0bama s DOJ, SEC , Ambulance Chasers will not come back for more...BAnk of America is now 0bama s bitch !!!
    6 Aug 2014, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • DrGarnicus
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    Bank of Obamica?
    6 Aug 2014, 04:26 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    Bank of Unemployed Crackheads and Illegal Aliens
    6 Aug 2014, 05:38 PM Reply Like
  • drgrier
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    The response to the Dividend hike was awful, but appropriate. A 1.3 % annual yield for a Bank is very poor.

     

    On the other hand, a settlement with the DOJ for $9 Billion Cash will probably be viewed as quite acceptable. That combined with the didvidend could finaly get the stock on a reliable up trend altho slower than some here have suggested. That would be beter since the stock price will hold it's gains thru $18 - $19 over the next 6 - 9 months. And, who knows, $22 - $24 by end of 2015. BAC still has to increase the dividend in 2015 by at least a double from the current level. They submit to the Fed again in March 2015. If they get approved for a dividend double and a stodk buyback 2015 could be the best year that BAC has had for a long time. Let us hope so.

     

    But I can't believe that they will settle soon. Hope I am wrong.

     

    Good Luck....
    6 Aug 2014, 06:41 PM Reply Like
  • westelk
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    I guess you did not see the 11 biggest banks did not have acceptable plans to avoid causing another economic crisis in case of failure. The banks have until next year to either write acceptable go-out-of-business plans, be forced to raise additional capital, of face being force to split up.

     

    Best thing that could happen to BAC if for Moynihan (who, as chief legal counsel blessed all the rotten schemes) and be replaced by someone who can figure out how to stop the bleeding, rather than fighting legal battles year after year after year.

     

    Enough of Moynihan already! His pronouncements have been wrong so much of the time, one wonders what the BOD is doing (other than collecting their over-sized fees and benefits).
    6 Aug 2014, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    I'm kind of disappointed they completely removed the stock buyback this year, because that's what's been really providing a consistent uptrend and floor for the stock. Now we have to wait until next year for buybacks. Kind of sucks, but 2 years from now, I guarantee you an investment in BAC will yield more than WFC or JPM, because those are already fairly valued, and their dividend yields merely keep up with inflation.
    6 Aug 2014, 07:10 PM Reply Like
  • drgrier
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    No I did see that. The difference is that that problem is for mostly all banks not just BAC. Any changes will be limited ultimately so as NOT to destroy the Banking System in this nation. I wouldn't worry about it....
    6 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    Just wait for the next time the Fed reaches out to the banks and asks them for help...
    6 Aug 2014, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • jackooo
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    BAC will settle.
    7 Aug 2014, 10:24 AM Reply Like
  • miriam ledwith
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    What is consumer relief? mnl
    6 Aug 2014, 04:28 PM Reply Like
  • rgperrin
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    Government "shake down" or rape.
    6 Aug 2014, 04:32 PM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    LOL please its just government shifting money from one side of the table to the next. Inevitably it will come out of taxpayers pocketbooks. Just wait until the next big downturn. BoA will be first in like to fleece taxpayers yet again.
    6 Aug 2014, 11:11 PM Reply Like
  • funfundvierzig
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    What is so comically appalling, folks, is the convoluted logic and warped reasoning advanced by the protectors and promoters of Bank of America Management in blaming the "Government", the enforcers of the law, for the Bank's massive woes instead of the sleazy Bank executives and Managers who engaged in acts of serial fraud and brazen law-breaking on behalf of the Bank, which generated the legal messes in the first place. Until this Management stops evading accountability and dishonestly putting up PR camouflage through their PR agents and IMAGE consultants, there will be no credibility nor repair of reputation.

     

    …funfun..
    6 Aug 2014, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • JamesChessing21
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    Wild speculation by greedy investors should have also taken some of the blame !!!
    6 Aug 2014, 04:45 PM Reply Like
  • I_Drank_Too_Much_Malt_Liquo...
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    funfun...within 12 months all the billions in income from BAC will belong to we the shareholders and not the DOJ and this will only be a bad memory. How do you like that?
    6 Aug 2014, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • funfundvierzig
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    In the meantime $77 billion of your BAC shareholder money has been drained away to pay for the acts of Management, which have befouled this one-time prestigious Bank. We won't even mention the incineration of some $150 billion in market cap!

     

    …funfun..
    6 Aug 2014, 04:57 PM Reply Like
  • Seekinggreatwealth
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    i think you are comically appalling, when the DOJ goes after the political hacks that were just as resp, and the idiot borrowers, then maybe what you say might have a little credibility
    6 Aug 2014, 04:58 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    $77 billion is less than one year's revenue. That's all they had to pay in total for half a decade of mortgage securities fraud? Sounds like a great deal to me! :)
    6 Aug 2014, 05:17 PM Reply Like
  • mphill47
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    Your misplaced anger is pretty funny.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:45 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    ff, the water is under the bridge - look upstream. Never seen such a backward looking investor like you ever.
    6 Aug 2014, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    I have. Ever sat at a low-limit blackjack table? I can see him chase his bet and cry "fraud-mongering" and "enron-ethics" all the way to $45.
    6 Aug 2014, 07:13 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    Sean, I don't think ff will ever stop. ff would still pump out his bumbling mantra even if the stock exceeded $45.
    6 Aug 2014, 07:31 PM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    where he will buy the stock...
    6 Aug 2014, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • jhmoore00
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    funfun, BofA got cut catching two falling knives, Countrywide and ML. Excluding the behavior of these two firms prior to 2008, BofA would have looked rather clean in the mortgage mess. BofA was not a player in sub-prime origination. Countrywide certainly had some sleaze, but that has never been the culture of BofA. Countrywide neared bankruptcy before the BofA rescue...yes, it was probably the dumbest acquisition by any company ever. Imagine if countrywide had just gone under. Imagine if ML had gone under. There would have been nothing left for various federal entities to plunder. So, BofA, did a good thing for the market and saved many (innocent not sleazy) employees of Countrywide and ML, and now they are being demonized and punished? Save your vitriol for Angelo and his friends.
    6 Aug 2014, 08:50 PM Reply Like
  • psychological-dividends
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    So are you mentioning the ill timed buys of countrywide, merrill lynch, etc. by previous management?
    6 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM Reply Like
  • westelk
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    Previous management? Moynihan was chief legal counsel when these deals were made. He is not exactly "previous management". The day Moynihan is replaced BAC stock will begin to recover.

     

    A lawyer with an MBA degree. How about getting someone with bank operating experience to run the bank so the suffering shareholders can start getting some of the value of the BAC franchise?

     

    I'm tired of hearing Moynihan say the legal difficulties are over (while the 10K says otherwise) and then (not so suddenly) another few $billion out the door. Still none of the miscreants in jail. Everybody has paid a price EXCEPT those who caused the problem.
    7 Aug 2014, 08:09 AM Reply Like
  • jackooo
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    That's like saying get someone with business experience to run the country!! lol
    Don't think a community organizer qualifies!!
    7 Aug 2014, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    Westelk, not true, Moynihan was not chief legal counsel when these deals were made.
    Look up his career history on Forbes.

     

    http://onforb.es/1AXXoVS
    7 Aug 2014, 02:00 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    Phsyco, it was Lewis - can't believe you don't remember him!
    7 Aug 2014, 02:07 PM Reply Like
  • psychological-dividends
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    I guess I must have Bank of America PTSD
    7 Aug 2014, 11:49 PM Reply Like
  • westelk
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    BusinessWeek:
    Mr. Moynihan served as the General Counsel at Bank of America Corporation from December 2008 to January 2010 and also as its Head of Consumer Banking from August 2009 to January 2010. He served as the President of Global Wealth and Investment Management at Bank of America Corporation from April 2004 to October 2007

     

    So you are correct he was not chief legal counsel. But giving him a pass for the shenanigans that went on at BAC is wrong. If memory serves me correctly, Moynihan got the job because BAC is such a mess, no reputable banker could be recruited to take the job.

     

    It is time for a change! C got rid of their jerk, it is time for BAC to do the same, and bring someone in to clean up the mess instead of having someone in charge who seems capable only of saying this is behind us and then more crap hits the fan.

     

    If someone were running BAC who was perceived as actually cleaning up the mess, rather than litigating (seems to be Moynihan's only strength), BAC would probably be a $40 stock again.
    8 Aug 2014, 08:21 AM Reply Like
  • funfundvierzig
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    westelk,

     

    The bumbling, mumbling Brian Moynihan is old guard, an integral and inseparable part of the top leadership team of Bank of America since 2004, which engineered the acquisitions of Countrywide and Merrill Lynch and created the massive messes, now costing cumulatively $77 billion in legal charges.

     

    It is time for Mr. Moynihan to stand down. Desperately needed is fresh outside talent at the top, and a Chairman of the Board of Directors who is more than "a figurehead with no banking experience", as Wall Street analyst, Mike Mayo, has accurately characterised the glad-handing Chad O. Holliday, Jr.

     

    …funfun..
    8 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    west, I am not giving Moynihan a pass - just correcting mistakes made by people (not just funfun) that want to blame him for the CFC (and ML?) disaster.
    Everyone knows how Lewis as CEO AND Chairman ran the bank back then.
    Regards
    8 Aug 2014, 01:06 PM Reply Like
  • foxchena
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    Expensive but now hopefully final.
    6 Aug 2014, 04:52 PM Reply Like
  • all on board
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    Agree with Haywood.At this point the downside risk is marginal.The economy continues to improve,eventually rates will rise,and this will all be a distant ,albeit memorable experience.
    Requires the most difficult of virtues---patience.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:03 PM Reply Like
  • jackooo
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    Do you really think the economy is improving?
    7 Aug 2014, 10:29 AM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    BAC shareholders: Prepare for liftoff!
    6 Aug 2014, 05:15 PM Reply Like
  • Brian Sanders
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    I think the entire banking industry will do well. WFC remains a top Buffett pick, JPM is a strong second in performance. And the way I see it, BAC and C are undervalued in relative terms. There will be a net net positive for banks all around, likely 10-15% annualized by next year, likely outperforming the overall market.
    6 Aug 2014, 11:43 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    I think JPM is really over-estimated as a consumer bank. They have really poor service, and their online banking sucks. I switched all my banking from Chase over to BofA a few months ago because of this, and I couldn't be happier with BofA's service, and #1 ranked online and mobile banking. That's one of the reasons I'm a huge bull of the stock. Most people are just looking at the numbers with a microscope. How bout the fact that they are a GREAT company with GREAT products and GREAT service? That, in my opinion, is what REALLY drives a stock upward in the long-run.
    7 Aug 2014, 05:58 PM Reply Like
  • Brian Sanders
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    I agree Seanebr. Although JPM is one of the biggest writer of loans right behind WFC, and that is one of the key drivers of their revenue.
    7 Aug 2014, 07:24 PM Reply Like
  • DoowopDave
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    I presume the bank is getting the best legal advise, but it seems to me that BAC is just caving in. I really wish they would fight the DOJ. This deal was supposedly to help borrowers hurt by the mortgage mess, but $9 bn cash to the DOJ? Disgusting. It'll take more than a year to recover from this one.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:16 PM Reply Like
  • NLTInvestor
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    Lol how is the stock up in afterhours with this big ass fine
    6 Aug 2014, 05:23 PM Reply Like
  • Seanebr
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    It's up cause they already have put aside reserves for most of it. And only half will be paid in cash, so the fine isn't as bad as the headlines make it out to be.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:29 PM Reply Like
  • CravenMoorehead
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    Good point - the soft relief isn't that tough of a pill to swallow. In fact, they will probably gain clients by treating them nicely with the government oversite. The $9 billion hicky should be just about fully reserved for. I would probably float some bonds at 4-5% if I was them for $3 or 4 billion to increase liquidity in the mean time, though they don't need to. What is the net? 6 months from now the fine will be in the past and future profits will be for shareholders. Assuming markets still look 12 - 18 months out, it won't take long for it to feel like business as usual.
    6 Aug 2014, 08:12 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    BAC seems to have waited for the Fed approval of their capital distribution plan (prudently restricted for now to the divi increase). I expect to see the DOJ settlement by end of the week. I am certain that DOJ will get their headline $17B - it will be interesting to see how much hard cash is involved (probably $9B).
    $15 seems a good entry point given current circumstances.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:35 PM Reply Like
  • JeffreyLangBoyd
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    WSJ article said they were going to file a lawsuit against Merrill rather than Countrywide. That makes sense as I don't think they could have hurt the mortgage business that much by suing Countrywide.

     

    Will be interesting to see the breakdown between the two entities and how much "consumer relief" is offered. Not sure if consumer relief will actually involve charges to the P/L.
    6 Aug 2014, 05:43 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    They are going after RMBS issued before the takeovers. I think the main concern is ML given that a lot of the CFC RMBS liabilities have already been covered.
    How they get to the end "consumers" and determine what "relief" they are going to get is beyond me. Are they talking about the greedy buyers of the RMBS or the mortgage holders that got their mortgages packaged in to the various RMBS tranches?
    6 Aug 2014, 07:08 PM Reply Like
  • bigdaddydoss
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    that guy that think bac is caving is a nut the damn fool at the head of the bank is lucks that is all we are chared with thanks too them i got lot of stock here i will hope they learned a lesson from this dumbass deal
    6 Aug 2014, 06:16 PM Reply Like
  • evan.prospect
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    Maybe now BAC and other big banks can focus on having "credible" living wills. If they can't, then maybe they should break them up.
    6 Aug 2014, 06:20 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    evan, my view is that these living wills are a badly thought out regulatory imposition. Why not just live with CCAR stress tests? I don't think you can do a credible breakup plan for any of the TBTF banks. We should just live with that reality and use Basel 3 capital adequacy under stress as the best way to assess the ongoing health of TBTF banks.
    6 Aug 2014, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • evan.prospect
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    Well they earned the regulatory imposition by needing taxpayer money and destroying shareholder value so it's not like it's coming out of left-field.

     

    Maybe they need to be broken up preemptively so that they do not find ways around capital requirements again (and nobody went to jail).
    7 Aug 2014, 11:14 PM Reply Like
  • healthpicker
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    evan, my point is going from NO regulation to OVER regulation is not a good thing.
    8 Aug 2014, 01:11 PM Reply Like
  • fernando mangino
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    As stockholders we now know what the damage would be. Lets pay it and use our time to focus on how the bank's management can start thinking how to make profits for the stockholders, instead of waisting time thinking how to resolve a legal issues
    6 Aug 2014, 06:37 PM Reply Like
  • IslandMike27
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    BAC got off easy, just think of all the people that got shafted during the housing crises, foreclosures, Triple A Rated mortgage backed securities.
    I wish no ill will on BAC or their shareholders, but the last time I checked FRAUD was against the law. The sad part is that no one went to prison.
    Hopefully BAC can pay off the 17 Billion, put this behind them and learn from their mistakes.
    6 Aug 2014, 08:51 PM Reply Like
  • evan.prospect
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    I totally agree but still concerned about the next round of bank failures (not if, but when).
    7 Aug 2014, 11:14 PM Reply Like
  • IslandMike27
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    BAC got off easy, just think of all the people that got shafted during the housing crises, foreclosures, Triple A Rated mortgage backed securities.
    I wish no ill will on BAC or their shareholders, but the last time I checked FRAUD was against the law. The sad part is that no one went to prison.
    Hopefully BAC can pay off the 17 Billion, put this behind them and learn from their mistakes.
    6 Aug 2014, 08:51 PM Reply Like
  • CravenMoorehead
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    OK let's make our bets on how long it takes for Don to publish his first official bull article on BAC - I bet we have one by 5PM tomorrow (8-7-14).
    6 Aug 2014, 08:54 PM Reply Like
  • psychological-dividends
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    Didn't they hike their dividend for the first time in seven years?
    6 Aug 2014, 10:00 PM Reply Like
  • Doctor Who
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    I found people who criticize BAC hilarious. Since "socialists" are in charge we get this demonizing when these legacy costs are mostly countrywide and merril lynch. The whole thing is madness but people can lie on their mortgage documents--we'll they can vote and corporations cannot. funfun you talk about management but they have nearly zero to do with this. Any businessperson who votes left over the next two years are truly unpatriotic. On no who do I sound like?
    6 Aug 2014, 10:22 PM Reply Like
  • funfundvierzig
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    "funfun you talk about management but they have nearly zero to do with this."

     

    Corporations do not act by themselves! These legal entities act through their officers and employees and agents. To deny that is sheer delusion or uneducated ignorance. The serial fraud and multiplicity of illegal conduct of the Bank for which it has paid out $60 billion with another $17 billion to come, was performed through the acts of the Bank's unethical and unprincipled executives and employees.

     

    [Folks, these avid BAC fans sure have difficulty dealing with commercial reality and the consequences of violating criminal and civil provisions of federal and state statutory and regulatory law.]

     

    …funfun..
    6 Aug 2014, 11:12 PM Reply Like
  • critterlitter
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    All's I can say is that at 15 bucks, BAC is a slam-dunk investment for a 3-year timeline going forward. It will be some of the easiest money without any lost sleep that one can play. An investment in BAC at this price rivals buying any Dow stock in March of 2009.

     

    Buy in folks --- this will be easy money.
    7 Aug 2014, 11:37 AM Reply Like
  • Scoreboard
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    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA tee-hee-hee ha ha HAW
    Ha Ha ha ha ha ha HA

     

    Great forum.... great comments!
    6 Aug 2014, 11:56 PM Reply Like
  • roychong199
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    Bull coming. Firecrakers. Next 16.00 then 17.00 back home. 20.00 and above have to wait. May be SPX500 current weakness (down trend) would hinder BAC uptrend movement.
    7 Aug 2014, 01:48 AM Reply Like
  • Rookie47
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    Man. I got jan calls for $20 that are worth next to nothing now. Lol. I sure hope this puppy moves up quick after this settlement is announced.
    7 Aug 2014, 02:33 AM Reply Like
  • critterlitter
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    That's a lofty position for January, lol however; ya never know. I see 20 bucks by next summer. Good luck on your January position --- whew...
    7 Aug 2014, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • drgrier
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    Unfortunately, that is what they are "worth", NOTHING!!!!

     

    Try the 2016 Leaps at $20 strike for around $0.50. They are probably worth a little more, who knows you might make a little on them.

     

    Good Luck...
    10 Aug 2014, 10:57 AM Reply Like
  • kinte
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    Will there ever be the last???
    7 Aug 2014, 05:10 AM Reply Like
  • Fabian Kostadinov
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    Does anyone know whether this will have consequences for Ambac (NASDAQ:AMBC)?
    7 Aug 2014, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • JeffreyLangBoyd
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    Settlement would tend to further reduce the likelihood that Countrywide is placed into bankruptcy so it could be viewed positively for Ambac. The odds were already pretty low so it isn't a game changer.

     

    If I saw indications of bankruptcy coming (which I definitely do not right now) for Countrywide, I would've shorted Ambac. Not willing to go long if they actually settle either.
    7 Aug 2014, 12:34 PM Reply Like
  • Fabian Kostadinov
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    @Jeffrey:
    Thanks for your reply. I thought Countrywide was fully merged into Bank of America years ago? How then can it possibly go bankrupt? Does Bank of America's settlement therefore not include the lawsuit of Ambac vs. Countrywide? Do I misunderstand something here?
    7 Aug 2014, 06:19 PM Reply Like
  • mphill47
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    I don't believe BK is an option for CW no matter what happens. Even if they could BK it , the result on BAC stock would be catastrophic and would be years to sort out. IMHO
    9 Aug 2014, 01:15 PM Reply Like
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