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With the publication of Warren Buffett's opinion piece in the New York Times, we'd like to revisit the question of selling equities into the maw of this growling bear. As we've written recently (here and here, for example), the big problem with selling at these levels is how and when investors would return to the market.

CNBC flashed a couple classic Buffett quotations this morning. This one is especially apt: "Those awaiting a 'better time' for equity investing are highly likely to maintain that posture until well into the next bull market." There's a basic, profound truth in this observation, one reflected in Dalbar's ongoing work on investor returns falling short of market returns (and short of their own funds' returns).

The issues here are straight out of behavioral finance: Loss aversion, regret avoidance, euphoria, despair.

Our general suggestion is that investors not liquidate at these levels. And those who have cash available, regardless of whether they've held that cash through the downdraft or raised it more recently, should establish a clear discipline for reinvesting it consistent with their risk acceptance and overall investment objectives.

An example would be to divide one's cash holdings into fourths, let's say, and commit to investing each of those chunks on a set schedule (say every quarter for the next year, or every month for the next four) whether the market goes higher, lower, or nowhere at all. If the market goes higher, you don't miss out on all of the rebound. If it goes lower, great! You're now reacquiring the merchandise at more attractive prices. If it goes nowhere in particular, you're back in the game after paying only some modest transaction costs.

The key here, as always, is elevating discipline over emotion. Investors once again feel burned, and that feeling is entirely understandable. They have been burned! But they shouldn't let their emotional demons exacerbate the problem. Read Buffett, and think hard about the implications of his simple, deep insight:

You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.

A sense of wariness isn't all bad. But investors shouldn't let caution turn into fear and fear turn into paralysis. By the time you feel that reassuring burst of confidence, it'll be late in the game once again, just as it now for panicked sellers.

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Warren E. Buffett, "Buy American. I Am." New York Times, October 16, 2008

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  • Could this be Buffett's idea of curbing mass panic in the market-kind of a public service kind of like Boone Pickens was/is trying to do "whats right" for the energy market and in an ecologically sound way?
    2008 Oct 17 04:10 PM Reply
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  • Also keep in mind that Buffett has many Billions to invest. There is no way he can move that much capital in and out of the market in short order.

    He has to start early just to have a chance to get everything invested before it's too late.

    If you really believe that Buffett's style is the way to go then simply go buy stock in Berkshire B. at $3962.00 a share. You will get the exact same performance that Warren gets and you won't have to think about it.
    2008 Oct 17 04:13 PM Reply
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  • Ain't it swell that investment is so dependent on human psychology?
    How about the gov'ment just putting antidepressants in the water supply or maybe the air for us who drink distilled water?

    Problem solved.
    2008 Oct 17 04:13 PM Reply
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  • I'll go farther - the only people who have lost money in this market are speculators who bet with borrowed money and were forced to sell, and have nothing to get back in with. No one else has lost a dime.

    You will say I am nuts, because the market value of your holdings, today, is lower than it was a year ago. First did you buy it all a year ago? Very likely you haven't lost anything, you just haven't gained as much as you hoped at one time. But even supposing you bought a large portion recently at higher prices, I still claim if it was your own money, that you haven't (yet) lost a dime.

    How's that again? I mean, if the quote is lower than the cost paid, and you sold today you'd have gone money to money on a round trip and have less out at the end. True, but if you jumped off a cliff you'd die, it doesn't mean you are dead. Don't sell at these reckless fear driven low prices. If it is your own money not borrowed, nothing is going to force you to sell.

    Lower price *quotes* are *offers* from Mr. Market. But it Mr. Market has lost his mind, who cares what he is saying? He says he won't pay you anything for your stock, OK, so you know you aren't selling to him. Where's the bad? Now, if his price is insane and you have cash or can save some, take him up on the other side of his insane offer and buy.

    But you haven't lost anything, if the future price in normal times of your purchased assets is more than you paid for them. The current quote is irrelevant, and only quote that counts is the one on selling day. And you are in charge of when selling day is, not the market.

    If is possible to overpay for a company, and for it to never earn out what you paid for it. It is possible for one or two to go bust and stick you with permanent losses, but all aren't ever going to. It may make sense to sell something you bought to immediately buy something more attractive, and that doesn't count as selling at a loss, it is just switching the form of your bet on the future, from that point on.

    But as long as the prices of your assets are higher, overall, than what you paid for them years and years earlier, you haven't lost a cent.

    Part of the panic idiocy in the financial sector right now is driven by mark to market valuation rules in their accounting, which force them to record losses in earnings whenever some bond they own declines in price, even if the bond pays as before. They are earning a higher rate on a smaller current value, but the same earning stream over all.

    So are you. You previously owned all the future earnings of the companies you have stakes in, in proportion to your stakes in them. And you still do. Those future earnings have not been materially changed by fluctuating prices (full blown bankruptcies excepted, to be sure). You or others may have hoped they'd be higher than they are actually going to turn out to be, but you own the same full stream as you did a year ago.

    You can call that stream a smaller capital earning a higher rate of return, or a bigger capital earning a lower rate of return. But it is the same future cash flows.

    Don't get caught up in the panic idiocy of insane accounting.

    Now is a great time to buy, and you haven't yet lost a cent. But if you got shaken out now, swore off the stock market, and never went back to it - then you'd have permanent losses. Not only from selling at current quotes, but from losing all the higher returns you could have had from a lifetime of stock investing.

    Let the market buck and roar all it likes. It can't hurt you. Buy more if you can. This too shall pass.
    2008 Oct 17 04:14 PM Reply
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  • 'Soma' is what they called it in George Orwell's 1984, moonbat.

    Lacking that why not resort to re-runs of American Idol?
    2008 Oct 17 04:16 PM Reply
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  • The interesting thing is Buffett actually 'awaited better times' to invest - which is why he's buying now. The bottom line is you're supposed to 'buy low, sell high' and Buffett does this (although it's mostly buy low and hold forever). What he's saying boils down to telling people "this is when it's low".

    The issue is that most people buy high and sell low - look at mutual fund flows.
    2008 Oct 17 04:20 PM Reply
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  • He's right on every point except one: Bill Clinton never resigned.
    2008 Oct 17 04:47 PM Reply
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  • Let's buy the market up now that Buffett's portfolio is loaded. We must make old Warren happy don't we.
    2008 Oct 17 04:56 PM Reply
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  • "$3962.00 a share. " Smarty

    Does that mean Mr. Buffet is for the "little guy"?
    2008 Oct 17 05:04 PM Reply
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  • Stockmarket shareholders almost always get the raw deal.

    Instead of the govt protecting stockholders, the treasury gave them a kick on the chin with BS, Fredie and Fan, and AIG. No wonder shareholders decided to get out of this anarchic anti-investor environment.

    Joe six pack knows nothing of bonds and preferred shares and the mechanics of the stock market while he is being encouraged to invest hard earned cash while saying at the same time no guarantee at all he can make money and may actually lose everything in case of company bankrupcy. Also they dont have the ability to know when to get in and when to get out, thus the ordinary investors got crushed most of the time. Mutual Funds and Hedge Funds are no better than ordinary investors with many of them now on shaky grounds. ETF was another flavor with the same main ingredient which is stocks. Like softdrinks with main ingredient being water.

    Banks tried the SIV (Structured Investment Vehicle) with guarantee of capital to investors but no guarantee of profit. Their biggest mistake is that they re-invested those cash in a no-guarantee stockmarkets during the boom days. Now the banks are in big trouble.

    Govt has now guaranteeing bank deposits, commercial paper, cash flow to banks, etc. Nothing for the stock market investors. Look here, it is the stock market causing havoc in the first place. Everytime you turned on the TV, it is the stock market destroying the public confidence of the future. Then the inevitable recession/depression follows.

    Govt has to protect common shareholders from companies going bankrupt. That is the minimum. To prevent total collapse of the stock market in this extremely volatile environment; govt has to guarantee in part or in full stock share purchases in the next 3 months for 3 years with minimum 1 year holding period.

    Mechanisms should be installed to prevent stock prices running 10%, 20% or even 200% in 1 day during the 3 month period. Govt may also charge some insurance fees from those stock purchases to recoup loses from companies going under.

    One way to do this is to use a 5% maximum rise/decline capped 20-day moving average as a guarantee price. Any shares bought below will be guaranteed at purchase price and those bought above will be guaranteed at 20-daycma closing price. So if the 20-daycma price is $20 and you buy stock at $22, it will be guaranteed at $20, if you buy at $18, it will be guaranteed at $18. After the price reached the 50-day simple moving average; a 50-day capped moving average kicks in with maximum allowed 3% rise/decline per day with same guarantee mechanics.

    Free market will be allowed and daily stock prices can go 10-20-30% in whichever direction. Only that whatever purchases is done by investors - will be guaranteed at or below the government capped 20-daycma and the 50-daycma. After 3 months; the government or private entities may provide insurance policies against company bankrupcies for shareholders willing to insure their holdings. Insurance fees will be very low if not negligible since very few companies go bankrupt with a vibrant economy. Govt can use 50-year bankcrupcy percentage average to estimate how much risk will be taken and how much insurance fee can be charged. No guarantee against stock price fluctuations. Another insurance policy might be conceived for price fluctuations.

    This is the very fast and easy way to restore confidence and give a solid ground to the hopes and aspirations of the common shareholders. Good for stock market dummies too. Also, it can be re-implemented during severe stock market crises like today.

    Deal with the banks' CDOs, CDSs, and MBAs and the housing mortgage problems in the background. They will take years to unravel. Meanwhile, financial credit crisis is now spreading into commercial credit. This is extremely dangerous to the whole industrial world that depends on commercial credit for the transfer of daily food and necessities among farmers, manufacturers, suppliers and retailers.
    2008 Oct 17 05:13 PM Reply
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  • smartypants--soma was in aldous huxley's "brave new world" not 1984. but we've got the best of both those owlrds in today's financial and political spheres!
    2008 Oct 17 05:14 PM Reply
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  • "Lacking that why not resort to re-runs of American Idol? " Smarty

    "You could have been so much more." from a Joni Mitchell song.

    Proud of yourself Alex Hamilton?

    2008 Oct 17 05:37 PM Reply
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  • Hey Warren, you are being subsidized by Joe-Sixpack. Proud of yourself?
    2008 Oct 17 06:23 PM Reply
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  • i fail to see the substance in this article other than repeat the headlines. I assure you the writer doesn't know whether to buy or sell now
    2008 Oct 17 07:16 PM Reply
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  • I think the article hints that it is time to buy because the great oracle of Omaha says it's time to buy. The article also tells us we will be safe investing a quarter of our cash at a time over a period of time. IMHO we are now looking into the teeth of an outright crash so maybe one of the quarter-investment will land somewhere toward the bottom of it.
    2008 Oct 17 08:02 PM Reply
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  • warren is investing a microscopic portion of his net worth. he has everything to gain by pumping the market. this market is too volatile for the average investor - forget valuations - volatility signals the time is not right.

    there are a bunch of shoes falling. watch their effects and then decide if you are ready to jump in.
    2008 Oct 17 08:49 PM Reply
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  • Govt stock price guarantees are a ridiculous form of socialism. People who are too stupid too play this game need to stay home. I would go ballistic if asked to pay taxes to assist in that kind of idiotic policy. The potential for corruption and fraud is unlimited. Keep your hands out of my pocket for that kind of idiotic thinking. Hard lessons need to be learned. Those who do not have deep enough pockets to withstand losses need to keep their money in Govt guaranteed securities. There are plenty to choose from and the risk reward ratio is fair. If you want to win big you need to accept the big loss when it comes your way. I've made and lost plenty and wouldn't want it any other way.
    2008 Oct 17 09:13 PM Reply
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  • Mr. "Free Market",
    Enjoy it while you can. When we get to an honest banking system, stock market volatility will great decrease. BUT, you will know that you are not being subsidized by Joe Six-Pack through the Treasury or the Fed.
    2008 Oct 17 09:29 PM Reply
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  • make that "greatly" Apologies to my English teacher.
    2008 Oct 17 09:30 PM Reply
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  • Sorry, but history is not on Buffet’s side and I can’t afford to make ANY long term investing mistakes. Every single intervention by the Feds has failed and the establishment still refuses to face the real issues. I intend to wait until well after the election to make any long term decisions.
    2008 Oct 17 09:34 PM Reply
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