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In the first two parts of this series, we identified fundamental economic weaknesses that running a Keynesian based economy have brought us. So the next question is figuring out when the critical point will be, and what it will look like. In short, we’re looking at it as we speak.

Let’s start with the ‘when’ of the equation. To put it in its simplest form, the critical point our Keynesian economy will be at is when the U.S. completely lacks the ability to sell any of its debt, and consumers are unable to take on any more debt.

Using the three farmer analysis in reference to foreign holdings of U.S. treasuries; Remember that when $100 left the farmers' economy, there was only $200 to repay $330 worth of debt. This situation is unfolding as we speak, but a day will come when the answer to the above equation (treasury sales – capital outflow) will be negative by a very drastic amount. That will be the melting point.

So what will this situation look like? First off, remember that in the Vietnam era, there was a glut of savings. This allowed for banks to continue making loans even if some went bad. With that in mind, things are much different today. With not just some, but a large number of loans going bad, banks just don’t have the capital to make loans like they used to. Compile that with a negative savings rate, and the only other solution is to increase the monetary base in order to keep the train rolling

I’m sure some of you have noticed a fundamental flaw in the above mentioned reasoning. Well, maybe ‘flaw’ isn’t the best word here.

This argument refers to the question we hear about on a daily basis. It is the question of whether we will experience inflation or deflation here in the U.S.

Now back to the question of the flaw mentioned. If the equation is based on treasury sales, what happens if the government creates the treasuries and the Federal Reserve prints the money to buy them (monetization)? The answer is hyperinflation, and that is most likely the course that the Federal Reserve will take. This is the last step before the edge of a cliff in a Keynesian economy, and the Fed will do everything in their power to avoid a collapse in their economy.

Going back to the very beginning of the solutions to how the third farmer is going to pay, you have either more loans or more money. We are seeing this at a level that is unique to our history. This is the equivalent to a chicken running around with its head cut off before it finally keels over to die. Have a look at these charts.

The whole goal is to save the Keynesian economy. The ironic thing is that this was doomed from the start. Really the two solutions that keep the farmers running are the two paths to the inevitable end. That end is the collapse in faith of the U.S. dollar and its banking system.

Aftermath of Keynesian Meltdown

The signs of the boiling point have reared their ugly heads. Those signs come in the form of negative net sales of U.S. treasuries by foreigners, credit crunch making new loans more and more unavailable, and the deflation seen in financial markets. The U.S. government and Federal Reserve will fight this with every tool they have, resulting in an end game of hyperinflation. This process has began, but it will get more extreme

First let’s look at the question of ‘does this predicament have a remedy?’ The answer is not really. If Paul Volcker stepped onto the scene today and raised rates to 20%, we might see another ‘save’ of the banking system, but there is absolutely no one that would be allowed in office today with such a policy. Even if this was the desired goal, and I’m not saying it is or it isn’t, this would result in deflation that would dwarf that seen in the Great Depression.

Remember, there is a very significant difference between the Vietnam era and the economy today: savings. When Volcker came into office, Americans actually had savings. Even though his actions caused a tremendous amount of bankruptcies and financial turmoil, the situation was remediable because of the savings rates.

That is not the case today. Americans have had a negative savings rate for some period of time now, and a gigantic rise in interest rates would put have this economy with negative double digit economic numbers for years to come. Anyone holding adjustable rate lending instruments, or anyone who requires access to short term lending facilities (that’s includes ALL of corporate America) would be simply done for.

So you’ve heard me mention a collapse in the U.S. dollar as well as the U.S. banking system. Am I being a little extreme? Absolutely not; I call it how I see it, and for the above mentioned reasons; do you really think that there will be any faith in the dollar or the banking system?

Some people look at me as a guy who sees the cup half empty. That’s not the case at all. I’m a “that same cup is going to cost you a $1000 before this is all said and done, and that’s if the store clerk is still accepting U.S. dollars” kind of guy.

This economy is simply the result of over 70 years of Keynesian economic theory beginning to exhaust itself. These are not only the theories practiced by our economic leaders, but these are also the theories taught in the economics courses offered by our college courses…the same college courses I took. We had a near implosion as a result of these theories in the early 1980’s, but it is my firm belief that we won’t be so lucky this time.

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    In the long run, Keynesianism is dead?
    2008 Nov 21 07:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    While I agree with almost everything you've written - the facts prove otherwise during this latest crisis. The dollar has strengthened to levels not seen in years...and gold has sold off. Treasuries are so strong, they've actually moved to negative yield. None of this supports your very logical argument.
    2008 Nov 21 08:01 AM | Link | Reply
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    Yet.
    2008 Nov 21 08:10 AM | Link | Reply
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    <<While I agree with almost everything you've written - the facts prove otherwise during this latest crisis. The dollar has strengthened to levels not seen in years...and gold has sold off. Treasuries are so strong, they've actually moved to negative yield. None of this supports your very logical argument.>>

    The dollar going up is NOT a flight to "quality".

    The dollar going up IS a flight to "quantity"

    Over the coming 5 years look for the dollar to make new lows. Most other countries have had it with our phony, consumerism economy, and they are now verbally letting us know this. The rest of the world will be in no rush to finance america's debt in the coming years and are starting to realize that they will never be paid back for all the money they lent us in the past.

    Other than a very few select US stocks that make most of their money overseas, the average investor should not own US stocks. They should own foreign stocks that trade directly on the exchanges in which the companies belong, for both capital appreciation, income, and currency appreciation against what will be a falling dollar.

    Don't expect this to happen right away.
    These things take time.
    It is going to happen.
    2008 Nov 21 08:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    U.S. Government debt is the Mother of all Bubbles. I have been hearing more and more people say that they are starting to short treasuries.

    This morning, I heard a professor on CNBC say that Obama needs to stimulate to the tune of $10 trillion to avoid a depression. Is he kidding? He wants to double the national debt in one year to avoid a depression!? This debt will NEVER be repaid!
    Yesterday, I thought Rick Santelli said it best. When Steve Liesman quoted Treas Sec Paulson when he said that without the $700 billion bailout package, the American People would have paid a very heavy price for a collapse in the financial system, Rick Santelli replied that the American People are paying that very heavy price anyway. Indeed, we are! Are we're only just beginning!

    One of my friend told me something insightful a few months back. He reminded me that there is no international bankruptcy court. There is no such thing as national bankruptcy. Instead, governments use hyperinflation. When everyone heads for the U.S. government debt exits, the only thing that will have value will be hard assets -- commodities and real estate. Paper assets, including bonds, stocks, and currency, will be worthless.
    2008 Nov 21 08:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    << When everyone heads for the U.S. government debt exits, the only thing that will have value will be hard assets -- commodities and real estate. Paper assets, including bonds, stocks, and currency, will be worthless.>>

    Agreed.
    Other than PM, the other 9 stocks that make up my portfolio are non US listed stocks or REITS, that to this day, have been reporting great earnings and are not affected by the credit crisis or the global slowdown. 2 of those stocks are somewhat commodity related names that are down right now, however will bounce back big time once the rest of the world is back on it's feet.

    During that time the US will be struggling to even get back on its knees with all its debt and failed consumerism policies of growth.

    Over the coming decade the rest of the world, or atleast those parts of the world that have room to grow multifold, are going to realize that they never needed the small 300 millions american consumers to fund their growth. Their own populations of "billions" are going to do it for them.

    I love our country, and I am an American, but we as a country have dug our own grave and now we have to lay it in.
    2008 Nov 21 08:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    Once again, the author fails in his stated attempt to lay blame for our ills at the feet of John Maynard Keynes. The discussions here have very little to do with Keynesian theory at all.

    Now, specific problems:

    1. If the banker is aware that there is only $300 in the monetary base, and he has it all, he won't be a banker. Why would he lend out money if there isn't any money to repay as interest?

    2. "The answer is hyperinflation, and that is most likely the course that the Federal Reserve will take." Most likely based on what?

    3. You show the scary monetary base chart, which takes off higher in the end. What you don't show is the actions of banks in the last year, while they have been deleveraging like mad to raise their capital levels. This IS a decrease in the overall money supply (which we used to measure - M3), and the fed's recent actions are meant to counteract this hugely deflationary action by the banking industry.

    4. "Those signs come in the form of negative net sales of U.S. treasuries by foreigners..." Really? Why then is the dollar appreciating against all currencies except the Yen and why then are treasuries currently trading at historically low yields?

    5. "...credit crunch making new loans more and more unavailable..." Which is because the banks have had to deleverage in response to much greater potential losses than previously expected.

    6. "...and the deflation seen in financial markets." And commodity markets. And all other markets EXCEPT for US Treasury securities, which are seen by the market as SAFER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

    7. "The U.S. government and Federal Reserve will fight this with every tool they have, resulting in an end game of hyperinflation." Hogwash. The preferred share investments by the TARP aer structured such that as the banks regain their footing, take their losses, and start to function normally again, they will have a strong incentive to pay off the loans (reducing the monetary base) as they increase to normal levels their leverage (increasing the monetary base). The Fed and Treasury are well aware that in normal times their actions would be highly inflationary. These are not normal times.

    8. More worthless, unsupported attacks on Keynesianism. And then: "We had a near implosion as a result of these theories in the early 1980’s." Without even a mention of the oil shocks of the early 1970s, which sent inflation rippling through the economy, or of the institution and repeal of wage and price controls, which, like a coiled spring, sent prices much higher. These had nothing to do with Keynes, and had much more impact on prices in the late 1970s than anything related to theory specific to Keynes'.

    9. Let us not forget that Ronald Reagan's huge deficit spending (well, at least at first, during the recessions) fell nicely into line with Keynesian theory.
    2008 Nov 21 08:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    1) If I borrow $100 to farm, then I'm paying someone $100 too.
    2) Maybe I paid someone in China, but that is hardly saying it disappeared from our economy. China is kind a a big investor here.
    3) Your first chart in Part III only illustrates money is moving through the economy faster. So?
    4) Gold and Oil have tanked
    5) Low interest rates also means the govt is borrowing on the cheap from those Chinese.
    6) This recession only proves that hedge funds don't really hedge, real estate is not a risk free investment, and we're all motivated by our own greed. Like the great depression, you'll see the emergence of a generation of conservative money savers.

    I know we're in trouble, but the end of Keynes Economics spells the end of capitalism. The end of capitalism spells the age of The United Federation of Planets. I don't see any Vulcans.

    Go buy your gold and sit in an a-bomb shelter grandpa, I'll be at work.
    2008 Nov 21 09:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Keynes was a "useful idiot." He wrote a b.s. theory that was accepted by governments because it said exactly what they wanted to hear: "Governments should take control of economies." Now, not only is government a legal monopoly on the use of force, but it is also a legal monopoly on economic activity, as it has set itself up in the control of the value of money AND regulation.

    The courts are a joke, justice is for sale. The money is a joke, as anyone can see from a chart of the USDX. The regulatory state is a joke, as it protects no one other than rent-seekers and insiders.

    The whole system is completely corrupt. Keynes just gave them an academic reason to do what they always wanted to do anyway.
    2008 Nov 21 09:15 AM | Link | Reply
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    Fascinating article, and interesting thread of commentary. The theories in support of a crash of the banking system are clearly well thought out, and evidence to support the theory abounds.

    I see some cold comfort, however, in the following respects:

    1) As the private sector delevers, the public sector has taken the debt onto its balance sheet at discounted prices (averaging yields in the 10% to 15% range). Short term treasuries are trading at negative interest rates, enabling the public sector to pocket an enormous spread. We see comparable developments with respect to foreign governments as well. So long as the public sector can arbitrage its own borrowing rate with that of the public sector, this arbitrage will back any currency issued by the government in question. Panic, in a very real sense, creates value in the hands of those positioned to own undesired assets, and in the case of a government, forms the basis for printed money. Alternatively, the government may opt not to print more money, but rather, to effectively "save" the difference between the rate at which it can borrow and the rate of return available on private debt that it can purchase. This form of "savings" is, effectively, no different from private "savings". I'd argue that in terms of potential wealth available for the government to deploy, we're in a better position today than during the 1970s, when private citizens saved more than the government. The reason why is that during the 1970s, the US had to raise taxes (in some cases, as high as 90 percent) in order to transfer private savings into government savings, and these taxes crimped economic activity severely. This time around, raising taxes is not necessary so long as private debt holders are prepared to sell a $1000 loan at 15% to the Treasury in exchange for a $1000 T Bill paying 1%.

    2) Assuming the Fed and Treasury opt to flood the system with currency in an effort to stave off a deflationary spiral, this article concludes that hyperinflation is an inevitable result. Fortunately not. Hyperinflation results when a government can only borrow at HIGHER rates than the private sector. In a highly risk averse market environment, like today, that's not where we are at. The test will be how quickly the Fed and Treasury can turn off the spigot when risk appetite returns.

    3) Really the bottom line here is what should an investor do. I suggest that the outcomes described in this article are possible. If so, then investors should pour everything they've got into equities immediately. Many companies will go bankrupt, but those remaining will represent the only "real" value remaining in the economy - that is to say, products, and the means of production. Debt and currency will be nearly worthless, and by debt I mean any contract. Put options, indeed, any derivative security, will be as worthless as government or private debt in this scenario. In addition to owning corporate shares, investors who believe this scenario is likely should also accumulate canned food and weapons which could be exchanged on the black markets that will come to dominate the economy.

    Those investors who feel that the scenario I paint is more likely should take a more balanced approach, owning a mix of short and long positions in all asset categories if possible. Basically - they should go about their business.

    We live in terrible times. It is easy to feel pessimistic if you've made a ton of money this year shorting bank stocks, or if you've lost a lot of money investing in the SP500. It all happened so quickly, too, it's been like a commet hit Wall Street. My real advice for anyone reading this comment of mine is this. You can analyze the economy and banking system any way you wish and come to any conclusion you are disposed to come to. The truth is, both are so complicated, not even Ben Bernanke or George Soros understands them (as they will admit in private). In fact, understanding is not required, strictly speaking, because in the end, the future remains uncertain. So, decide whether you are happy being an optimist, or happy being a pessimist, and act accordingly. The best investment advice I ever heard was at the Wat Pho Temple in Thailand. A monk told me that when you cannot change your fate, change your attitude.





    2008 Nov 21 09:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'll repeat my assumptions:

    1) U.S. will have a depression. W shaped, recession brief respite and strong bear rally and then hyperinflation, then depression.
    2) Voter revolution will occur in 2012. The citizens take about four years to get off the couch and do research into whom the corrupt are in Washington.
    3) Expect formation of the next bull in 2013.

    To Alex's point I always have three months of food, medicines, water supply, have weapons and ammo. Every American should always have this even in strong economic times. When you have this life insurance policy covered for your family then you'll find you'll go about your business with less fear. To many online in the last year, I have always encouraged people to think what the absolute worst case scenerio is. That would be the population on wheat pasta and other such rations. The upside? We would remove the corrupt from office in a damn quick hurry and restore our Republic. Take care of each other during this time. I have already began enjoying new friends in my neighbors I have helped and they return the favor in other forms of trade.
    2008 Nov 21 09:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    So many years and thousands of us warning the American People they had better trend easy in the world.

    When the life blood of your economy has been taken over by the Corporations and trade becomes that life blood all it take is for forgien countries to say no !


















    ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS REFUSE TO TRADE AND THEY CONQURE THE USA WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT. T

    he U.S. Dollar has no value until someone takes on debt. Debt Dollars.
    2008 Nov 21 09:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    also disagree with the author in that it is the unknown what will occur. Why doesn't anyone just agree that Economics is a voodoo discipline and now theories written by men before globalization are trying to be supported or discredited without taking into account the world is a much different place right now. Obviously this is a crisis in Globalization. If you're going to have it, there are going to be bumps along the road and I think this is the first major test. There will be things learned and new approaches tried.

    China is in good shape because it is an emerging country which is now building and buying goods which was not the case in the past. Great, what do they do in 30-50 years? Their population numbers is going to breed trouble on a grand scale. Hopefully they still have the US paying them interest on debt.

    Also why in the world would China(who all of these economists think are "smarter" about economics than the US, which I think they have just seen the errs of the past and been able to sidestep those for their benefit), cut off the United States. China would never and I repeat never ask for the US to pay its debt off or dump all US dollars. It would be the dumbest move ever. Its like if you have a bar patron who comes into your bar all the time. He has a running tab with you but only pays you 10% every month of the total. Just because the total tab keeps getting bigger you are still getting more money and a steady stream from the guy paying you the interest. This guys 10% payment is still more than the people who pay you 115% coming in once a month. It would only make sense to call the debt if you were about to go bankrupt, which China is not.

    If China did call the debt of the US it would lead to(which I think will occur anyway) a really tough period in the US, but it will quicken the pace of the period as the US would become very isolated and US manufactoring returning to the US. China would lose out on its cash cow. It would probably lead to war, again not something I think China particularly wants or needs, and in the long run make the US stronger and more united against China. Also the debt would not be repaid.

    Hyperinflation is another assumption. It very well could occur, it is not a certainty. Wiping out all but the rich in the country via hyperinflation would created a top heavy lower class of people on the order of 80-85% in the US, while anyone with wealth would be moving out of the country. All for what cause? To draw down debt?

    Deflation of prices, which gets a bad rap as it is equated to deflation, should be embraced. If credit debt at all levels was guaranteed prior to creation, ie. individuals who don't pay of their credit cards would have their paychecks auto garnished, lenders would be on the hook for half the amount, etc. this problem would be minature to what it is now. The rules of the game are either not out there, being bent to the point of being worthless, etc.

    Applying all of this to an economic model is simplistic and open to enough interpretation I could drive a truck through it, but thanks for the 3 part thesis.

    I have a thesis, people will start to stockpile and breed cockroaches. They'll always be around(like gold), except you can each cockroaches(unlike gold).
    2008 Nov 21 09:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    It's all in making the money. Because making more of the money is profit making but spending more than what is made in the money is still deficit spending dying the deficit death one way or another. Inflating is to made the money more out of paper than of value. Making the money in your business is to live in a capitalist society.
    2008 Nov 21 10:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    How "safe" do you think your Treasuries will be when the government needs to fund untold trillions of dollars over the next few years and none of the regular foreign buyers show up because they are too busy funding the needs in their own troubled economies?? The last remaining bubbles of American finance - Treasuries and the US Dollar - will burst and like all burst bubbles,it will be a mess. Or do you arrogantly assume that foreigners will let their own people starve just to save arrogant Americans like you??


    On Nov 21 08:58 AM BS Detector wrote:

    > Once again, the author fails in his stated attempt to lay blame for
    > our ills at the feet of John Maynard Keynes. The discussions here
    > have very little to do with Keynesian theory at all.
    >
    > Now, specific problems:
    >
    > 1. If the banker is aware that there is only $300 in the monetary
    > base, and he has it all, he won't be a banker. Why would he lend
    > out money if there isn't any money to repay as interest?
    >
    > 2. "The answer is hyperinflation, and that is most likely the course
    > that the Federal Reserve will take." Most likely based on what?
    >
    >
    > 3. You show the scary monetary base chart, which takes off higher
    > in the end. What you don't show is the actions of banks in the last
    > year, while they have been deleveraging like mad to raise their capital
    > levels. This IS a decrease in the overall money supply (which we
    > used to measure - M3), and the fed's recent actions are meant to
    > counteract this hugely deflationary action by the banking industry.
    >
    >
    > 4. "Those signs come in the form of negative net sales of U.S. treasuries
    > by foreigners..." Really? Why then is the dollar appreciating against
    > all currencies except the Yen and why then are treasuries currently
    > trading at historically low yields?
    >
    > 5. "...credit crunch making new loans more and more unavailable..."
    > Which is because the banks have had to deleverage in response to
    > much greater potential losses than previously expected.
    >
    > 6. "...and the deflation seen in financial markets." And commodity
    > markets. And all other markets EXCEPT for US Treasury securities,
    > which are seen by the market as SAFER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
    >
    > 7. "The U.S. government and Federal Reserve will fight this with
    > every tool they have, resulting in an end game of hyperinflation."
    > Hogwash. The preferred share investments by the TARP aer structured
    > such that as the banks regain their footing, take their losses, and
    > start to function normally again, they will have a strong incentive
    > to pay off the loans (reducing the monetary base) as they increase
    > to normal levels their leverage (increasing the monetary base). The
    > Fed and Treasury are well aware that in normal times their actions
    > would be highly inflationary. These are not normal times.
    >
    > 8. More worthless, unsupported attacks on Keynesianism. And then:
    > "We had a near implosion as a result of these theories in the early
    > 1980’s." Without even a mention of the oil shocks of the early 1970s,
    > which sent inflation rippling through the economy, or of the institution
    > and repeal of wage and price controls, which, like a coiled spring,
    > sent prices much higher. These had nothing to do with Keynes, and
    > had much more impact on prices in the late 1970s than anything related
    > to theory specific to Keynes'.
    >
    > 9. Let us not forget that Ronald Reagan's huge deficit spending (well,
    > at least at first, during the recessions) fell nicely into line with
    > Keynesian theory.
    2008 Nov 21 10:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    Reportedly Japan monetized 40% of the debt it issued in the last 15 years of zero interest rates and vast public works projects. That country did not experience hyper inflation. And now the yen is the strongest currency in the world.

    The US is going to follow the Japanese model. And the debt the government does not monetized will be purchased by the financial community with money borrowed at 1% or less from the Fed. The resulting spread will restore the balance sheets of the survivors in that industry to viability.

    Only if civil unrest and disorder appears on the streets of the US of A will this plan not work. The Democrats realize this and will use a large part of the monetized and circular debt proceeds to help the sheeple.

    2008 Nov 21 12:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    This article and the above comments point to what I've been thinking for awhile now. The best thing you can do to insure your future in the US is to learn to speak either Chinese or Russian. And don't think it 'couldn't happen here'...the Titanic wouldn't sink....remember? We have effectively 'Peter Principled' ourselves as a nation i.e. 'risen to the level of our own incompetence' and now we're paying for it....and I said recently in a previous comment that if corporations ran themselves like the US has run her business, they'd all be out of business, how prophetic was that?
    2008 Nov 21 12:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Some people look at me as a guy who sees the cup half empty."

    When the cup has doo-doo in it, it doesn't make much of a difference whether you view it half-filled or half-empty.
    2008 Nov 21 12:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    The most important thing is a clear understanding of where we stand. We have two issues: You have the issue of what the U.S. policy is going to be. I don't think the U.S. knows what its policy is going to be. There may be people in the incumbent government, and that which is about to be incumbent, who may respectively have ideas about what they're going to do, but I don't think any of them knows what they're actually going to do. They may have ideas which they think they're going to have, but that's going to change because the circumstances are going to change in a very shocking way.

    We're leaving an administration which is totally bankrupt. It's created a greater mess than any U.S. Presidency in recent record. The situation's almost hopeless. We're now in the terminal phase of the existing international monetary system: This monetary system will not exist much longer. I'm talking about weeks, as a probable case. You probably will have, as of the middle of January, you might have a peep out of France from the President of France; so far, I don't think he's made up his mind exactly what he's going to do, but he might do something. Otherwise, from Western and Central Europe, you can't expect much of an initiative. You certainly will not get anything useful out of the United Kingdom at this time.

    What is probable, and what is possible--but it's a big question mark--is, what is going to happen with the incoming administration in the United States. It's a very complicated question. Because there are deals, there are interests, there are arrangements, and I don't think any of these plans are going to work. I think this is a period in which most of the plans that people are making in government are going to fail, because the system is going to change very rapidly, and very profoundly.

    We are in the end-phase of a general breakdown crisis, of the international monetary system. There has been nothing comparable to this in European history, since the 14th-century new dark age. We are going to have a total collapse of the system.

    Now, the system's failure is complicated by the fact that governments have been lying. The crisis is not caused by some breakdown in some mortgage crisis inside the United States, or something in England as well. The crisis comes from the top down: The crisis comes from a long-term trend since 1968, which is the beginning of the problem. Which led into what the Nixon Administration did in canceling the Bretton Woods system. This opened a period of instability, which was aggravated by the creation of the expanded spot market for petroleum, 1973 and so forth, and so on.

    So suddenly you had a fundamental change in the characteristic of the world monetary system, and this went through a phase. It went through a phase of de-industrialization of Europe and the United States, especially following the developments of 1989-1990, and so forth. So we have gone through a fundamental change.

    In point of fact, the United States has had no net growth, in terms of physical standards, since the Fiscal Year 1967-68. There has been absolutely no physical expansion in the United States. We've had a comparable situation in Europe, which became worse, after the fall of the Wall, when the conditions were put in by Margaret Thatcher, Francois Mitterrand--then the President of France--and George Bush, the father, then. These conditionality sent Europe into a spin: Germany has been shrunken, actually, in net effect, as a result of these conditions. And from now, Europe--essentially Western and Central Continental Europe--are essentially impotent; Britain is going heavily into a crisis.

    Therefore, the only remedy, in this crisis, because of the nature of the breakdown of the system, is creating a new international system, to replace the present monetary system, while putting the old monetary system into bankruptcy. Remember, most of you know that the United States, constitutionally, is not monetary system. The United States is unlike any nation of Europe: That our system is a credit system, not a monetary system. All other countries in Europe, some with more or less independence, are participants in an international monetary system, which is not controlled by any government. Even though the monetary system has agreements with governments, it is not controlled by them; whereas under the U.S. Constitution the creation of currency, or related credit, can only be done by consent of Congress, and by action of the Executive branch. Therefore, our currency--when our law is enforced--is entirely a credit currency; it's a currency of the U.S. government, the currency of the U.S. people. Whereas the other countries have monetary systems, where they participate by agreements with governments at a central monetary system, or a group of central monetary systems.

    Therefore, the European system is essentially an imperialist system, in the sense that Europe is dominated by a monetary system, which belongs to no country, although each country has agreements with the monetary system. This is a continuation of the old Venetian system, under which an imperial power, in the old times, since about 1000 A.D., in the old times, the Venetian interests, the financier interests, control the credit and currency of the world. And functioned like an empire. This financial empire made agreements with governments, or controlled governments entirely. That was the system that crashed in the great crash, the great breakdown crisis in the 14th Century. Since that time, there has been no fundamental change: Europe still operates on the basis of monetary systems, which are based on supranational monetary systems which have contracts with governments.

    But the United States is unique among leading governments, even though de Gaulle wanted to go in the same direction, but unique in the sense that our Constitution, means that our government in its credit system is the system of the United States.

    Now: Since we have a world monetary system, the so-called IMF system today, this system is hopelessly bankrupt. The cause of the problem is not some mortgage crisis. The cause of the crisis, which broke out in July of 2007, was a result of an increase of an expansion of derivatives expansion, which now totals to obligations in excess of quadrillions of dollars! The greatest amount of this expansion occurred under the administration of the former head of the Federal Reserve System, Alan Greenspan. And we have now quadrillions of dollars of obligations, so denominated, which are self-expanding obligations. This hyper-inflationary monster is eating the world, and the only thing we can do is put it out of its misery: Put it into bankruptcy by governments, by agreements of governments, and create a new international system, which is based on credit systems, such as the Constitution of the United States provides.

    What we have to have, also, is a fixed-exchange-rate system, like the one that Roosevelt intended, when he was still President. So, what we will have to do, is, we're going to have to put the entire system into bankruptcy reorganization, by decisions by the sovereign governments.

    Now, to do this, there are four sovereign governments on the planet, who are absolutely crucial in launching something which can then be participated in by other governments. These are, the United States, and include Russia, China, and India. If these four countries enter into an agreement to reform the monetary system, and replace it with a credit system, we can get out of this mess alive, and safely. Because, if these four powers agree, and this represents a margin of power absolutely required to force through the reform, then Japan will automatically join; it's in its interest to do so. Korea will join; it's in its interest to do so. Other weaker countries will join; it's in their interests to do so. On that basis, we can create a fixed-exchange-rate system, to do what the original fixed-exchange-rate system was intended to do. We can use the credit system, based on this agreement, to reorganize the bankrupt monetary system, make sure that the immediate agreements that have to be reached can be settled. We can start to expand production, solve some of these problems, and postpone settlement of some of the other matters into the future, as you often do in a general bankruptcy reorganization.

    It's the only chance, right now. And it depends upon good diplomacy, among the United States, Russia, China, and India, knowing that other countries will gladly join such a union, once it's started. And it will have to lead to a fixed-exchange-rate system, because we're going to have to launch long-term credit agreements, for large projects, especially in areas such as Asia, where you have whole regions, 70% of the population is extremely poor, and underdeveloped; Africa, which is potentially a large food-growing area, but is not able to do so, because of the present conditions.

    We must create those conditions. This means, large-scale infrastructure development of things like power systems, sanitation systems, and so forth, to enable Africa to get on its own feet again. So these kind of projects will be necessary, and these are long-term projects. They need two generations of investment, or longer, in mass transportation, power and so forth. And we can come out of this.

    But we're at the point, that this kind of agreement and discussion among nations is absolutely indispensable: There is {no way}, that you can make a compromise with the existing system, and survive. All attempts at compromise will fail! Because they will lead immediately to disaster: You have quadrillions of dollars of obligations, all of a short-term nature, coming down on the whole system! And there's no way you can postpone that thing. You come to the point, and say, "We are not going to honor derivatives obligations! We're going to freeze them, first. We're going to defend the economies, first. We're going to have a bankruptcy reorganization, which is in the general interest, first, the general interest of the nations and their peoples.

    And this requires power to push it through, because the powers that are imposing this crash upon us, do have a lot of power. Therefore, you need a combination of power strong enough to break the will of that opposition. With that combination, we can succeed.

    And that's the kind of crisis we face.

    Now, we have a new President of the United States coming in, a President-elect--if somebody doesn't kill him, because you're in a kind of period where those things happen, in times of crises like these, highly unstable. And the trick is, to get this Presidency, of the United States, by one way or another, to enter into this agreement, with Russia, China, and India, that I've indicated; and bringing in other nations who are informed of what this is all about, into this agreement. But the basic thing, is we need a power bloc, which is powerful enough to break the back of the opposition to a reform. And that's where I think we stand right now. Everything flows from that.

    So it's a very interesting period. And the month of January is going to be extremely interesting, if we don't have a complete blow-out before the end of this year. That's the kind of world we're living in. It had to come to this. We've been insane for a long time; we've been doing insane things for a long time. And now somebody came up and just presented the bill to us, for what the costs of this insanity were. And so, the time is, we just have to act like governments, take our responsibility seriously, come to agreements, agreements of reform, and adopt a perspective which is fair to all concerned. Which I think we can do fairly easily, if reasonable governments realize how serious the danger is, right now
    2008 Nov 21 12:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    I've been watching gold drop for a while now. It hit about $704 here a few days ago. I then saw a slow see-saw recovery until today.
    www.bloomberg.com/mark...

    Scroll down and check it out for yourself. As I type this it is up about $55 for the day.

    It was nice while it lasted...
    2008 Nov 21 12:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    "How "safe" do you think your Treasuries will be when the government needs to fund untold trillions of dollars over the next few years and none of the regular foreign buyers show up because they are too busy funding the needs in their own troubled economies?? The last remaining bubbles of American finance - Treasuries and the US Dollar - will burst and like all burst bubbles,it will be a mess. Or do you arrogantly assume that foreigners will let their own people starve just to save arrogant Americans like you??"

    You make several questionable assumptions:

    1. "the government needs to fund untold trillions of dollars over the next few years" How many is "untold"? One? Two? Three maybe? In an economy of 14 trillion dollars (well, maybe 13 trillion now), this is hardly unprecedented.

    2. "none of the regular foreign buyers show up because they are too busy funding the needs in their own troubled economies" If the world's economy is in such bad shape, US treasuries will continue to be the safest place to keep money. And, believe it or not, there will still be money.

    3. "The last remaining bubbles of American finance - Treasuries and the US Dollar - will burst and like all burst bubbles,it will be a mess." The dollar's value has increased during this crisis from historically low levels. The dollar is less valuable now than it was in more valuable now, in terms of foreign currencies, than it was between 1996 and 2006. Where's the bubble? And as for Treasuries - you think speculation is driving the price of Treasuries up? Seriously? Do you know what a bubble is?

    4. "Or do you arrogantly assume that foreigners will let their own people starve just to save arrogant Americans like you??" You assume that I'm arrogant, likely because I pointed out (correctly) that US Treasuries are currently viewed worldwide as the safest place to keep money. Evidence: 30 year treasuries traded at all-time low yields yesterday. 30 YEAR Treasuries. Chew on that for a while. Now, I may be arrogant, but describing US debt that way is no indication of it.

    Oh, you also assume for some reason that one question mark isn't sufficient.
    2008 Nov 21 01:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    BS Detector:

    While some of us, myself included, are amazed at the time required for learning to occur, we fully expect it to occur. Remember, a year ago the average investor still believed that this was going to be "the stock buying opportunity of a lifetime". Only later did the average "sophisticated" investor realize that he'd been taken to the cleaners in stocks. So where does he hide? In the safe haven of record, US Treasuries. Soon enough he will learn that this, too, is a "trap laid out for him, with a bait so richly wrapped."

    Treasury rates will probably stay low right up until the time the Treasury market collapses, kept that way by Fed "monetizing the long end", as they have announced several times their willingness to do. Circular finance looks great on paper, but then it's just paper, isn't it? It works until it doesn't, when faith dissolves. In the meantime, crowding out is the name of the game, as government indulges itself in one final act of self-preservation. If you're a real, producing company that wants to borrow money, tough luck.
    2008 Nov 21 02:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Its always been a question of how many fudges it would take before the whole thing collapsed. This could be the last one and then we will have to start all over as we did in the '30's aen entire lifetime ago, and of course that's what it takes for everyone to have forgotten the lessons of our fathers. The world needs a clean out and this looks like it. The greedier they were the harder they will fall.
    2008 Nov 21 03:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Invest-in-a-farm said:
    "Now: Since we have a world monetary system, the so-called IMF system today, this system is hopelessly bankrupt. The cause of the problem is not some mortgage crisis. The cause of the crisis, which broke out in July of 2007, was a result of an increase of an expansion of derivatives expansion, which now totals to obligations in excess of quadrillions of dollars! The greatest amount of this expansion occurred under the administration of the former head of the Federal Reserve System, Alan Greenspan. And we have now quadrillions of dollars of obligations, so denominated, which are self-expanding obligations. This hyper-inflationary monster is eating the world, and the only thing we can do is put it out of its misery: Put it into bankruptcy by governments, by agreements of governments, and create a new international system, which is based on credit systems, such as the Constitution of the United States provides. "

    I absolutely agree with this statement. Anyone who thinks Keynesian policies caused this meltdown either has no idea of how credit default swaps work or is an apologist for the Milton Friedman school of economics. If Bush and Greenspan had regulated the CDS industry we wouldn't be in this mess. This present mess is a unique situation caused by Greenspan's low interest rate environment and institutional banks discovering credit default swaps. Credit default swaps gave the banks a false sense of security on the loans and packaged securities from these loans that banks produced. Furthermore, the CDS's weren't regulated, thanks to Phil Gramm, the incompetence of the SEC and Greenspan's blind faith in Freidmanomics, so that the liability of them wasn't reflected on banks' balance sheets. Banks were writing loans as fast as they could to generate more fees, more derivatives and not caring whether people qualified for them or not. Contrary to poplular opinion, no one forced the banking system to write no doc loans with questionable appraisals, etc., etc., they did it on their own accord thinking the housing market would always go up and make even defaults profitable. Then when the housing market inevitably went south because of the banking systems' self inflcted bad loan policies, it brought the credit default swaps into play which exposed the tens of trillions in liabilities that the banking system didn't account for. All of this has nothing to do with Keynesian economics, which actually would have been beneficial if the past three republican administrations had followed his principles instead of running up trillions and trillions in deficits in both good and bad times. Now we have had three decades of discredited Miltonian economics, it's belief that deregulation or non regulation frees markets, it's deficits don't matter humongous pile of debt, and the banks' discovery of the credit default swap "financial weapons of mass destruction" market all hitting the world financial system like a tsunami. I don't know what the final solution of the current disaster will be but if we ever get out of this mess, returning to solid Keynesian principles will hopefully be the eventual outcome.
    2008 Nov 21 03:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Keynes is not as half bad as the guys today esp. Bernake who stated in his economic theory, "After all, you can just fly ovber and dump money from a helecopter to solve an economic meltdown." Seriously, they aren't following Keynes anymore. Keynes would never propose the ludicrous things Paulson, Bernake, and other are proposing nor would he let people run up the entire GDP worth of CDS contracts (45-55 trillion) with no collateral, no clearinghouse, no basic rules for the contract or trade, no cap on leverage they can use, and no regulation. This is not economic theory. This is insanity.
    2008 Nov 21 03:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    "In the meantime, crowding out is the name of the game, as government indulges itself in one final act of self-preservation. If you're a real, producing company that wants to borrow money, tough luck."

    What's happening is not crowding out; if this were the case, yields between Treasuries and other debt would be narrowing, not widening, which is what has occurred. Yields on some Treasuries are at all-time lows. This doesn't happen because of increased government borrowing - the cause of crowding out.

    Because of the massive amount of uncertainty in the markets right now, buyers of debt are fleeing anything but the safest vehicles around. As things settle down, investors will be more willing to take on more risk. But for now, the fear keeps them where they feel safe - in Treasuries.

    As for real, producing companies unable to borrow money - look to the banks, who are still trying to firm up their capital. If you're a bank worried about surviving losses you've been unable to quantify, you're not trying to lend out the capital you have.
    2008 Nov 21 03:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    It IS economic theory that men are smart enough to "manage" an economy, and that government is the one to do it AND the one to be "deep pockets" when necessary; this belief comes through clearly both in your comments and in your predecessors. Keynes believed that men are smart enough and powerful enough to do it, and that they should in fact do it. Of course, the deep pockets are really the taxpayers, so Keynes apparently believed in raping the little guy to keep the big guys on top.

    Screw him. Keynsianism is insanity. The ludicrous idea is the idea that government should intervene in an economy. Paulson et al are merely pursuing this idea to its logical conclusion.


    On Nov 21 03:14 PM constructe wrote:

    > Keynes is not as half bad as the guys today esp. Bernake who stated
    > in his economic theory, "After all, you can just fly ovber and dump
    > money from a helecopter to solve an economic meltdown." Seriously,
    > they aren't following Keynes anymore. Keynes would never propose
    > the ludicrous things Paulson, Bernake, and other are proposing nor
    > would he let people run up the entire GDP worth of CDS contracts
    > (45-55 trillion) with no collateral, no clearinghouse, no basic rules
    > for the contract or trade, no cap on leverage they can use, and no
    > regulation. This is not economic theory. This is insanity.
    2008 Nov 21 03:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Not crowding out in the classic definition; I think you know what I meant. Government is using fear and doubt to grab all the money that is available to be borrowed, and then loaning it to its nationalized banks.

    Why are Treasuries the safest vehicles around? Why is corporate debt now deemed by investors as too risky? Because of the bank that runs the government: the Fed, and its monetary policies that caused the problems in the first place. So a "quasi-government entity" causes a panic, and the government benefits by power-grab, buying up banks using money borrowed at taxpayer expense and / or printed for it by, you guessed it, the same Fed. Taxpayers are on the hook for more money, government power is increased.

    Who benefits? Not me. Who loses? Me.

    On Nov 21 03:52 PM BS Detector wrote:

    > "In the meantime, crowding out is the name of the game, as government
    > indulges itself in one final act of self-preservation. If you're
    > a real, producing company that wants to borrow money, tough luck."
    >
    >
    > What's happening is not crowding out; if this were the case, yields
    > between Treasuries and other debt would be narrowing, not widening,
    > which is what has occurred. Yields on some Treasuries are at all-time
    > lows. This doesn't happen because of increased government borrowing
    > - the cause of crowding out.
    >
    > Because of the massive amount of uncertainty in the markets right
    > now, buyers of debt are fleeing anything but the safest vehicles
    > around. As things settle down, investors will be more willing to
    > take on more risk. But for now, the fear keeps them where they feel
    > safe - in Treasuries.
    >
    > As for real, producing companies unable to borrow money - look to
    > the banks, who are still trying to firm up their capital. If you're
    > a bank worried about surviving losses you've been unable to quantify,
    > you're not trying to lend out the capital you have.
    2008 Nov 21 04:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    SWRichmond wrote:

    "The ludicrous idea is the idea that government should intervene in an economy. Paulson et al are merely pursuing this idea to its logical conclusion."

    The reason Paulson et al are running around going crazy now trying to put out this conflagration is because they were asleep at the switch for the past eight years while the banking system was gambling that they could win the credit default poker game. They should have regulated the credit default swap market years ago but Paulson was a big proponent of CDSs when he was at GS and therefore part of the problem. Kind of like Dick Cheney formulating energy policy. It would only benefit the oil companies. To say that intervention is the problem is ludicrous. Non intervention for the past eight years was and is the problem.

    2008 Nov 21 04:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave When We Abandon Sanity.

    People are smart but humanity is Stupid.

    Constructe - you are correct about not being Keynesan anymore. However without the Keynsan model it would have been harder to bastardize the system. With the Keynesan system the keys were handed to government to go crazy - and they did World Wide. All money systems eventually crash for the same reason - Someone creates a Leverage Method and everybody overdoes it. Then the system has a contraction and the dominoes of margin calls destroy the system. The Keynesan system just make it a bigger event in the end - Too Many Band-aids Allowed. Fractional Reserve Banking was the lever of choice to be transfered into other Levers.

    BSDetector - There is more to consider than you are including in your analysis. I do not think that the dollar has risen so much as others have fallen. Treasuries are good for now but eventually there is a point of no return where interest outpaces income - you know what happens then. There are other considerations but not enough time to convey.

    SWRichmond - You are a realist - how dare you interrupt our final fantasy with all those silly suppositions based on fact. Thank goodness for you.

    Debate Is The Distillation Of Reality.
    2008 Nov 21 07:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    <The last remaining bubbles of American finance - Treasuries and the US Dollar - will burst and like all burst bubbles,it will be a mess.>

    You hit the nail on the head. Short the USD by buying Gold (and at a later date other commodities) and short long-term treasuries by buying TBT.

    2008 Nov 22 01:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    I've read all three parts with interest and the subsequent posts, many of which are quite lucid and edifying. As often, I find there's no real consensus.

    One thing is for certain, our financial predicament is a manifestation of our collective thinking and of our untamed desire to accumulate "things" which we do not need nor can reasonably afford. This may be an underlying frailty in the human condition and may never change without right thinking.
    2008 Nov 22 06:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think you are making too much of Keynesian theory. It is like comparing Model T with a Toyota hybrid. Even though auto industry started in big time with Model T comparing it in today's market is absurd. All it was an advancement to horse cart. Period.

    You can not even talk about crash of 30's and Keynesian theory in today's context. It is like living in past. It is about creating values and greater utilities toward the perceived human advancement. I stress 'perceived'. No amount of improvement in Iraq will be a meaningful advancement if all Iraqis and the world think 'It is a wasted result of Bush aggression'. That is why my friends 'perception becomes (and is) a reality. That is why we say 'Beauty lies in the eyes of the be-holder’. This way we have an 'International human value perception' It is difficult to define and quantify but it is there. Ignoring it is a suicidal mission. So what ever we come up with like a 'Green movement' and 'improved infrastructures' we have to have a consensus 'value' and 'true utility' that brings about a true improvement in human experience. Why are we happy about electing Borak Obama? Because it truly demonstrate our tolerances to diversity and an appreciation to the qualitative value system and an election process it represents. We won cold war by default. We have to win world opinion by a demonstration of making a right choice in an authentic democratic transfer of power. Now we have demonstrated that ours is a better system. We f'ud it up when we elected Bush for the second time (thanks to Carl Row winning at any cost and a 'Hanging Chad' episode with Al Gore). We did not demonstrate that we have a better system of government.
    Coming back to Keynes...
    You are not considering population growth, productivity growth and internet based e-commerce and globalization in to an equation.
    This episode is nothing but de-leveraging. All the risk and profit prices were rigged by lop sided Chinese currency manipulations and 30-100 times overleveraging by hedge funds. Now risk pricing, values and productivity have to be added to justify current level of GNP. Expansion by any which way will not work. All commodities can not demand to 'an inflation adjusted pricing'. Now the moors law is deeply embedded in to all the goods and services, because high-tech and internet based ' flattening' is commoditized. High tech hardware industries have learned to prosper with it. Oil and health industry can not sustain it with out heavy duty increase in productivity. Same goes to Housing construction and 'Government politics' and defense industry. Borak Obama is a result of that. Republicans’ were inefficient and unproductive in delivering 'public good' they have to be replaced. They were stupid enough to mask the truth and 'get in' (with Bush's 2nd term with manipulations) but paid by heavier back lash. If they had been truthful about 'the fallacy' of Iraq war and other dealing they would have been better off.
    2008 Nov 22 03:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    so is the econ prof going to give you a B or a D on this 3 part epistle?
    2008 Nov 22 04:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Or maybe he already did
    2008 Nov 22 04:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    On Nov 21 08:58 AM BS Detector wrote:

    > Once again, the author fails in his stated attempt to lay blame for
    > our ills at the feet of John Maynard Keynes. The discussions here
    > have very little to do with Keynesian theory at all.
    >
    > Now, specific problems:
    >
    > 1. If the banker is aware that there is only $300 in the monetary
    > base, and he has it all, he won't be a banker. Why would he lend
    > out money if there isn't any money to repay as interest?
    >
    > 2. "The answer is hyperinflation, and that is most likely the course
    > that the Federal Reserve will take." Most likely based on what?
    >
    >
    > 3. You show the scary monetary base chart, which takes off higher
    > in the end. What you don't show is the actions of banks in the last
    > year, while they have been deleveraging like mad to raise their capital
    > levels. This IS a decrease in the overall money supply (which we
    > used to measure - M3), and the fed's recent actions are meant to
    > counteract this hugely deflationary action by the banking industry.
    >
    >
    > 4. "Those signs come in the form of negative net sales of U.S. treasuries
    > by foreigners..." Really? Why then is the dollar appreciating against
    > all currencies except the Yen and why then are treasuries currently
    > trading at historically low yields?
    >
    > 5. "...credit crunch making new loans more and more unavailable..."
    > Which is because the banks have had to deleverage in response to
    > much greater potential losses than previously expected.
    >
    > 6. "...and the deflation seen in financial markets." And commodity
    > markets. And all other markets EXCEPT for US Treasury securities,
    > which are seen by the market as SAFER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
    >
    > 7. "The U.S. government and Federal Reserve will fight this with
    > every tool they have, resulting in an end game of hyperinflation."
    > Hogwash. The preferred share investments by the TARP aer structured
    > such that as the banks regain their footing, take their losses, and
    > start to function normally again, they will have a strong incentive
    > to pay off the loans (reducing the monetary base) as they increase
    > to normal levels their leverage (increasing the monetary base).
    > The Fed and Treasury are well aware that in normal times their actions
    > would be highly inflationary. These are not normal times.
    >
    > 8. More worthless, unsupported attacks on Keynesianism. And then:
    > "We had a near implosion as a result of these theories in the early
    > 1980’s." Without even a mention of the oil shocks of the early
    > 1970s, which sent inflation rippling through the economy, or of the
    > institution and repeal of wage and price controls, which, like a
    > coiled spring, sent prices much higher. These had nothing to do
    > with Keynes, and had much more impact on prices in the late 1970s
    > than anything related to theory specific to Keynes'.
    >
    > 9. Let us not forget that Ronald Reagan's huge deficit spending
    > (well, at least at first, during the recessions) fell nicely into
    > line with Keynesian theory.

    Tax revenue doubled under Reagan tax cuts. The Spending belonged to the Dems in congress. The cuts were Supply Side, I believe they call it. Don't confuse the politics by saying Reagan used Keynesian theory. We will never get this right if we can't figure who, did what, when, to what affect. On that note, would we have to throw Keynesian theory in the garbage if Reagan tax cut effectively cured the economy in the 80's. Do Keynesian's hold onto Keynesian theory like Chicago football fans love the Bears, thick and thin. It seams this about the politics of economics and not economics. Face it somebody f&#ked up and have been for a long time and it wasn't the Chicago Bears.
    2008 Nov 22 09:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    You have to live and work in foreign country for a while, to think about her as your own country to understand that they too have problems. As a matter of fact all foreign countries have more problems than USA. If all or some of them will dump US dollars, US will default and other countries that hold US debt will loose enormous amount of money. They in turn will default on their own obligations and all the currencies, not just US dollar will collapse. They are not going to honor your stocks in this situation. No one will care for gold. You will only need supplies of food and the gun to defend it.
    Most of overpopulated countries with billions of people don’t have enough land to feed themselves. Some of them only have sand and oil. In the time they were self-sufficient, they had twenty times less people.
    2008 Nov 22 10:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    If you think that Keynes is bad, then you should have had an opportunity to listen to Milton Friedman. His speech at the 100th anniversary of the Nobel awards could only be described as fruitcake, and it left the real scientists who were there wondering if they had stumbled into a crank colony. The most grotesque part of that scene however was the presence of at least one of the most brilliant analytical American economists, who accepted to be a part of Friedman's public. No wonder Keynes said that "economics is an easy subject that is difficult". He meant difficult to understand why some of its practitioners are completely without shame.
    2008 Nov 24 07:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Tax revenue doubled under Reagan tax cuts. The Spending belonged to the Dems in congress."

    First, you can't have the tax cuts and disown the spending. They are all part of the same bill. If you want to give credit for tax cuts, you have to take ownership of deficits. In any case, if you look at Reagan's original budgets, there was actually MORE spending than the Congress eventually passed.

    Now, as for tax revenue doubling under Reagan's tax cuts - hogwash. Even without adjusting for inflation, even with the economy recovering from a deep recession, this doesn't hold true. Individual and corporate income tax revenue: 1981 - $347M; 1989 - $549M. [It's almost true for Social Security taxes, which Reagan RAISED enormously: 1981: $183M; 1989 - $359M.] Factor in inflation, and the increase in revenue diminishes substantially: nominally during Reagan's two terms, income tax revenue increased 58%; in real terms it was 16%. (source: EROP tables B-80 and B-60)

    "Don't confuse the politics by saying Reagan used Keynesian theory."

    I'm not confused in the least. The massive increase in deficit spending under Reagan (twice as much, in real terms, as during the previous 8 years) was quite obviously stimulative, as Keynes predicts. Unfortunately, this is when we lost fiscal discipline; during expansions (such as the post-1984) the government should run a surplus so that during recessions it can run a deficit.

    "...would we have to throw Keynesian theory in the garbage if Reagan tax cut effectively cured the economy in the 80's."

    Except that it didn't. Paul Volcker's monetary policy, which tamed inflation and sent the country into a deep recession, set the stage for the lengthy recovery during the 1980s. Also, the Keynesian implications of record deficit spending can't be ignored.
    2008 Nov 24 08:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    Solution to the 3 Farmer Riddle:

    1. Substitute corn for money
    2. 100 ears of corn reaps 110 ears of corn
    3. Pay back 110 ears of corn
    4. Substitute money for corn
    5. Disaster averted

    The fallacy is that productivity is static
    2008 Nov 26 08:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    great attitude


    On Nov 21 09:42 AM iThinkBig wrote:

    > I'll repeat my assumptions:
    >
    > 1) U.S. will have a depression. W shaped, recession brief respite
    > and strong bear rally and then hyperinflation, then depression.
    >
    > 2) Voter revolution will occur in 2012. The citizens take about four
    > years to get off the couch and do research into whom the corrupt
    > are in Washington.
    > 3) Expect formation of the next bull in 2013.
    >
    > To Alex's point I always have three months of food, medicines, water
    > supply, have weapons and ammo. Every American should always have
    > this even in strong economic times. When you have this life insurance
    > policy covered for your family then you'll find you'll go about your
    > business with less fear. To many online in the last year, I have
    > always encouraged people to think what the absolute worst case scenerio
    > is. That would be the population on wheat pasta and other such rations.
    > The upside? We would remove the corrupt from office in a damn quick
    > hurry and restore our Republic. Take care of each other during this
    > time. I have already began enjoying new friends in my neighbors I
    > have helped and they return the favor in other forms of trade.
    2008 Dec 14 10:10 AM | Link | Reply
  •  
    We are entering the biggest crisis that probably man has ever encountered. It is now accepted that it is the worst that the world has suffered since the Second World War, and probably the worst since the 1930s depression, but we still have not seen the bottom and nobody knows for sure where the bottom is. ‘Anticipation of change is speculation. It is not known when the change will happen or by how much. The longer it takes, the more pressure there is for the change. Big changes cannot wait for the consumer to change; they have to be absolutely controlled by Governments’. So far there is no control and therefore recovery is pure speculation. It started with a financial crisis that is now turning into an economic crisis that could well cause more than 20% unemployment and widespread anarchy. The financial crisis was caused by the mismatching of assets and liabilities and the under assessment of risk; an area that should be the responsibility of actuaries, not economists, accountants, bankers or politicians.
    The economies are going into this ‘black economic hole’ blind; being led and controlled by politicians, bankers and economists. I use the word blind because the politicians and the bankers both depend on the understanding of the economics but the theories have been shown to be incompetent at best, and wrong at worst.
    They are clutching at economic straws. Who should we turn to in this moment of need? Keynes, Smith, Galbraith, Milton Friedman, Von Hayek? Now the big debate is beginning over the 1930s. Was it Milton Friedman or Von Hayek that had the explanations and the solutions? But these economists were nearly 100 years ago, and the others considerably older. Hasn’t the world changed since then?
    What have been the effects of computerization, of the internet, of the mobile phone, of the evolution in banking, of financial deregulation, of Bretton Woods, of the derivative market, of the television, of vaccines and pharmaceuticals, of longevity, of nanotechnology, of food preservation, of genetic engineering, of widespread house ownership, of the nuclear bomb, of the car industry, of aeroplanes?
    By continuing to accept the theories of the great economists of the past aren’t we saying that the above have had no significant impact on the current economics?
    Yes, the past understanding is very important, and Adam Smith’s conclusion that ‘the house has no economic value’ is possibly the most important revelation appropriate to today’s economies but even this needs to be interpreted differently. A house has an economic value when there is a growing population and that population is needed for economic growth, but this ‘economic’ house is for accommodation and not an object of the fineries of life. The 1st world, that has stopped expanding, has therefore put the majority of its money in a sector that has no economic value. There should also be an addition to Smith’s revelation in that if the population is decreasing, and there is little or no economic growth, then those houses of finery have negative economic values due to the costs of maintenance, heating and light, and security.
    What would Adam Smith have said about the economic value of a motor car, especially a fine one such as a Porsche or Ferrari? I am sure he would be turning in his grave and likening the current situation of the 1st world to the fall of the Roman Empire.
    Is there a correlation between fine buildings and the fall of empires? That the empires had too much money and control of others for their own good, and overconfidence, and this led to their ultimate downfalls? Could this be said now in respect of the houses and fineries of the 1st world?
    Keynes revelation in respect of the velocity of circulation of money and the effect of confidence, like Adam Smith’s revelation, is extremely important to today’s economy but this also lacks the modern day definition. According to the economists, the velocity of circulation of money has been fairly constant or reducing but the real interpretation is that there has been a dramatic increase. The reason for the difference is that since financial deregulation the majority of the new money has been destined for the very slow property sector, even though the velocity within this sector had increased significantly. The velocity of ‘street’ money is many times per annum but the velocity of buying and selling houses is once every few years.
    Is confidence the base of economics? Is confidence responsible for how quick we spend our money and on what we spend it on? Is confidence responsible for the amount of money available from finance? Confidence is, however, not a natural state. It takes a lot of activity or time to gain and can be lost in seconds and therefore it is responsible for many of the paradigm shifts in economic behaviour. Over confidence is always followed by disconfidence. Confidence does not have to be in general, it can be specific and applied to one sector of the economy and not to another. So have we lost specific confidence or general confidence? Is a depression caused by a loss of general confidence in everything whereas a recession is caused by a majority loss of specific confidences.
    Isn’t confidence psychology?
    Isn’t psychology affected by the media?
    When there is an increase in confidence then a trend is produced. That confidence or trend does not have to be general, it can be related to a specific sector of the economy. Once a trend is formed, isn’t that trend mathematical?
    For the rapidly increasing numbers of people that now believe in the conspiracy theory, in respect of the financiers that control the world, could it be that it was known all the time what caused the 1930s depression and that it has been kept a secret from us, because it was them?
    Could the cause have been the over optimism, or over confidence, of the bankers and financiers followed by disconfidence? Did the conspirators cause it intentionally?
    Did they organise the depression to get more control over the economies because too many other people were getting in on the act and they were losing control? Did they organise this one? Has it got out of control?

    The macroeconomists cannot see the trees for the woods, and the microeconomists cannot see the woods for the trees, but surely those trees are not homogeneous and some have different characteristics in respect of speed of growing and strength- equivalent to velocity of circulation and economic impact. Mini sectors with similar velocities of circulation, and economic and financial multipliers, are the ones that show the real movements and are assessable. Monetarism (mathematics), when applied to these sectors, works absolutely.

    My conclusions are therefore that economics is a science in motion, that it is dependent on the financial markets, not just stock markets, which are the leading indicators, that it is sectoral, that it is dependent upon psychology and hence the media, that it is mathematical and dependent on risk, and that once understood; it can be controlled.

    ‘It’s the economics, stupid’

    Macroeconomics is dead. Microeconomics never entered the reckoning. Minieconomics, an economics theory produced by an actuary, not an economist, is alive and well, and very clear. Depression Economic Plans should be designed by the psychologists and the actuaries and enforced by the Governments, not the orthodox economists.

    I rest my case.

    Copyright 2009 minieconomics.com
    April 14th 2009

    Apr 21 12:39 PM | Link | Reply
  •  
    We are entering the biggest crisis that probably man has ever encountered. It is now accepted that it is the worst that the world has suffered since the Second World War, and probably the worst since the 1930s depression, but we still have not seen the bottom and nobody knows for sure where the bottom is. ‘Anticipation of change is speculation. It is not known when the change will happen or by how much. The longer it takes, the more pressure there is for the change. Big changes cannot wait for the consumer to change; they have to be absolutely controlled by Governments’. So far there is no control and therefore recovery is pure speculation. It started with a financial crisis that is now turning into an economic crisis that could well cause more than 20% unemployment and widespread anarchy. The financial crisis was caused by the mismatching of assets and liabilities and the under assessment of risk; an area that should be the responsibility of actuaries, not economists, accountants, bankers or politicians.
    The economies are going into this ‘black economic hole’ blind; being led and controlled by politicians, bankers and economists. I use the word blind because the politicians and the bankers both depend on the understanding of the economics but the theories have been shown to be incompetent at best, and wrong at worst.
    They are clutching at economic straws. Who should we turn to in this moment of need? Keynes, Smith, Galbraith, Milton Friedman, Von Hayek? Now the big debate is beginning over the 1930s. Was it Milton Friedman or Von Hayek that had the explanations and the solutions? But these economists were nearly 100 years ago, and the others considerably older. Hasn’t the world changed since then?
    What have been the effects of computerization, of the internet, of the mobile phone, of the evolution in banking, of financial deregulation, of Bretton Woods, of the derivative market, of the television, of vaccines and pharmaceuticals, of longevity, of nanotechnology, of food preservation, of genetic engineering, of widespread house ownership, of the nuclear bomb, of the car industry, of aeroplanes?
    By continuing to accept the theories of the great economists of the past aren’t we saying that the above have had no significant impact on the current economics?
    Yes, the past understanding is very important, and Adam Smith’s conclusion that ‘the house has no economic value’ is possibly the most important revelation appropriate to today’s economies but even this needs to be interpreted differently. A house has an economic value when there is a growing population and that population is needed for economic growth, but this ‘economic’ house is for accommodation and not an object of the fineries of life. The 1st world, that has stopped expanding, has therefore put the majority of its money in a sector that has no economic value. There should also be an addition to Smith’s revelation in that if the population is decreasing, and there is little or no economic growth, then those houses of finery have negative economic values due to the costs of maintenance, heating and light, and security.
    What would Adam Smith have said about the economic value of a motor car, especially a fine one such as a Porsche or Ferrari? I am sure he would be turning in his grave and likening the current situation of the 1st world to the fall of the Roman Empire.
    Is there a correlation between fine buildings and the fall of empires? That the empires had too much money and control of others for their own good, and overconfidence, and this led to their ultimate downfalls? Could this be said now in respect of the houses and fineries of the 1st world?
    Keynes revelation in respect of the velocity of circulation of money and the effect of confidence, like Adam Smith’s revelation, is extremely important to today’s economy but this also lacks the modern day definition. According to the economists, the velocity of circulation of money has been fairly constant or reducing but the real interpretation is that there has been a dramatic increase. The reason for the difference is that since financial deregulation the majority of the new money has been destined for the very slow property sector, even though the velocity within this sector had increased significantly. The velocity of ‘street’ money is many times per annum but the velocity of buying and selling houses is once every few years.
    Is confidence the base of economics? Is confidence responsible for how quick we spend our money and on what we spend it on? Is confidence responsible for the amount of money available from finance? Confidence is, however, not a natural state. It takes a lot of activity or time to gain and can be lost in seconds and therefore it is responsible for many of the paradigm shifts in economic behaviour. Over confidence is always followed by disconfidence. Confidence does not have to be in general, it can be specific and applied to one sector of the economy and not to another. So have we lost specific confidence or general confidence? Is a depression caused by a loss of general confidence in everything whereas a recession is caused by a majority loss of specific confidences.
    Isn’t confidence psychology?
    Isn’t psychology affected by the media?
    When there is an increase in confidence then a trend is produced. That confidence or trend does not have to be general, it can be related to a specific sector of the economy. Once a trend is formed, isn’t that trend mathematical?
    For the rapidly increasing numbers of people that now believe in the conspiracy theory, in respect of the financiers that control the world, could it be that it was known all the time what caused the 1930s depression and that it has been kept a secret from us, because it was them?
    Could the cause have been the over optimism, or over confidence, of the bankers and financiers followed by disconfidence? Did the conspirators cause it intentionally?
    Did they organise the depression to get more control over the economies because too many other people were getting in on the act and they were losing control? Did they organise this one? Has it got out of control?

    The macroeconomists cannot see the trees for the woods, and the microeconomists cannot see the woods for the trees, but surely those trees are not homogeneous and some have different characteristics in respect of speed of growing and strength- equivalent to velocity of circulation and economic impact. Mini sectors with similar velocities of circulation, and economic and financial multipliers, are the ones that show the real movements and are assessable. Monetarism (mathematics), when applied to these sectors, works absolutely.

    My conclusions are therefore that economics is a science in motion, that it is dependent on the financial markets, not just stock markets, which are the leading indicators, that it is sectoral, that it is dependent upon psychology and hence the media, that it is mathematical and dependent on risk, and that once understood; it can be controlled.

    ‘It’s the economics, stupid’

    Macroeconomics is dead. Microeconomics never entered the reckoning. Minieconomics, an economics theory produced by an actuary, not an economist, is alive and well, and very clear. Depression Economic Plans should be designed by the psychologists and the actuaries and enforced by the Governments, not the orthodox economists.

    I rest my case.

    Copyright 2009 minieconomics.com
    April 14th 2009

    Apr 21 12:39 PM | Link | Reply