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I first made mention of the dollar's status as world reserve currency changing in some way in 2004. Now, four years later, the path to this is easier to see (it may not happen of course, but things in the U.S. have deteriorated mightily). Here is a snippet from the FT on Thursday about the yen possibly filling that role.

I'm not sure what I think about the likelihood of yen becoming a world reserve currency just yet, as I believe the vast majority of the yen rally has come from unwinding/deleveraging/forced selling. If some country does share this role with the U.S. (I think that more likely) or supplants the U.S. (less likely in my opinion) it will make sense to own some of that currency.

Something that has helped the U.S. through all of this crisis is the need for dollars around the world. This contributes to the willingness to buy our debt for close to no yield. Were the U.S. not still the center of the universe I imagine things would be much worse than they are.

I think a country ascending to that status would be a very attractive hold.

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    This is a worthwhile issue to continue to watch. It is complicated and a bit dicey but could hold substantial rewards if forseen. I hope the author revisits this often.
    2008 Nov 28 10:01 AM | Link | Reply
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    I would very much like to hedge my exposure to the dollar, and now seems like a wonderful time to do it. Yet, I'm only interested in currencies with long-term advantages, as I am not a currency trader and I need to hedge for the long term. Long-term advantages include huge industrial export production, low long-term government liabilities, sophisticated and democratic rule of law and regulation, a proven system for inflation control, youthful demographics, economic size, natural resources, and low existing government debt.

    Obviously these criteria produce a mixed report card for the yen, won, yuan, real, euro, US dollar, peso, AU dollar, CDN dollar, pound, etc. Whereas the US used to have straight A's on this report card, the end of US manufacturing, depletion of US resources, aging demographics, and exploding government debt and liabilities with no controls in sight indicate a severe increase in risk. Yet, what currency can take its place? Every existing alternative is also flawed.

    This realization is old news. It is what drove the commodities bubble earlier this year. Yet, those hedges proved to be better destructors of wealth than the currencies they were supposed to hedge! The losses in commodities brought everyone back to the dollar, but for how long?

    A basket of foreign currencies and a portfolio of international companies seems to be the best we can do to reduce currency risk in these uncertain times.
    2008 Nov 28 10:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with your fundamental premise that this should happen, but with the dollar out in front of the low rate brigade and the incessant insistence for the euro zone, britian and the yuan to 'drop rates fast to keep up', how to extinguish the carry trade? This is my quandary and with a grudging nod to Phillip Davis, we do "suck less" in the current timeframe. Who could propose to take up the torch?
    2008 Nov 28 11:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    There will be a new international currency within the next ten years. While many countries in the world suffer a devastating economic decline the U.S. prints money with no immediate penalty to its credit rating or financing cost. The economic community outside the U.S will not tolerate this preferential treatment forever when the result is a disproportinate distribution of the pain outside the U.S. The Asian economic region will be the first to break the dollar monopoly. Common sense and history dictates that any country that runs large balance of payments/ fiscal deficits and has a casino, overleveraged financial system should not function as a reserve currency country.
    2008 Nov 28 11:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    For a country to have its currency be a reserve currency, the country must be politically, economically, and MILITARILY viable for a very long time horizon. This leaves Japan and the EU (or as i call it, the EEEEEEEuuuuuuuuuuuuuuw... out of consideration.

    cyclingscholar
    2008 Nov 28 11:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    The premise of this article is absurd. What is the world going to use... the Ruble? The Peso? The Loonie? The Euro?

    The Dollar is the most important currency because only the USA had global power and a strong military.

    Unless and until USA becomes weaker in total the the next best currency, things won't change.

    It won't be the Yen - no military might. It won't the Swiss Franc - not enough in circulation. It won't be the Yuan - too much risk, political and economic.

    So now we are goiong to use "a basket of curency"...?

    Sounds like a currency CDO - what a great idea, NOT!
    2008 Nov 28 11:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    This entire thread reminds me of the fantasy currency discussion a few months back..the Iranian Bourse! This was the NEXT great threat to the dollar..all to be held at a location (I saw real pictures of this place) that makes Elko Nevada look decidedly upscale. ALL..as in every word..of some currency taking the US$ place as a reserve currency is absurd..as for the European community..that group of gutless, pretentious papershufflers will be fortunate to keep the Euro on resucitation thru 2010.
    The ONLY "currency" that could possibly take its place alongside the dollar in the commercial scheme of things is gold.The GCC (major Gulf States oil powers) have great respect for gold..and IF they were to mandate all oil sales be paid for on a 90/10 (90% US$ and 10% gold)
    basis until 2012..then 80/20 at that point just who would..or could..refuse????
    This would be a very shrewd move by the Gulf oil powers..they'd protect themselves against this liquidity fest the Fed and Treasury are indulging in..and they could use the gold as the foundation for their transition to THE world banking power.....
    2008 Nov 28 11:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    Can anyone say Gold!!! :)
    2008 Nov 28 11:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    My American brethren need to shed this ridiculous nationalism bred of ignorance. The US is clearly in decline and overextended. Neither the Iraq nor Afghanistan wars have been won. Nor it is clear that a global reserve currency must be backed by great military power. The most likely scenario is three reserve currencies, not one, in the near future. The Euro is a strong candidate because the European economy is huge and more stable than its US counterpart. Indeed, Europe enjoys greater fiscal and monetary discipline, a higher savings rate, and smaller debt/income ratios than the US. Europe's net worth is growing whereas the US is the world's largest debtor nation (and growing). The net inflow of funds into the US since the early 1980s is not about funding America's economic future, but funding America's propensity to consume in excess of its income (a half trillion dollar a year defense budget and a 2% personal savings rate says it all).

    When you look at the facts, the long term future of the dollar is erosion against other currencies.



    2008 Nov 28 12:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    For a currency to be the reserve currency the most fundamental commodities must be priced to it. Since oil is priced in dollars, I don't see any competitor asides from the Euro in the far future becoming it unless somehow the Middle East creates some joint currency or just stops accepting funny green paper printed without any consideration to long term economics. That being the dollar.
    2008 Nov 28 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    First if this is going to happen I believe it will play out over many years, I think it has already started but to reiterate very slow moving. I too believe the euro is out in this context. The yuan makes sense to share the role with the US as it seems to becoming evermore the straw that stirs the drink. I also think something out of the GCC makes sense too, I believe demand for oil will increase, the recent numbers notwithstanding.

    As far as a "new international currency in ten years" I would suggest studying how long it took the EMU to come about and get to the point of a single currency. The only way it could happen in just ten years would be some sort of global martial law which if that were the case everyone would use the dollar.
    2008 Nov 28 01:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    sr9web,

    If military might is the foundation of currency values, then what explains the rising value of the yen? Did the EU become militarily stronger in the first 7 years of this decade and then suddenly decline in the last few months? How about the Australian dollar which seems to rise and fall with the value of the mining commodities the Aussies produce rather than with their military capability?

    Also, what military capacity would the US have if our oil was cut off by Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and Russia? Airplanes, tanks, all but a few ships - forget about it.

    The dollar has a lot going for it, including economic size, established regulation and laws, historical stability, and liquidity. However, it is nonetheless issued by a government that could not survive a day without borrowing from China and OPEC, whose current debt is spiralling out of control, whose future liabilities make an eventual 50% tax hike or currency devaluation inevitable (guess which is more likely), and whose country produces relatively little for export to the world compared to what it consumes from the world. Those are facts - not nationalistic currency-hating, and every other currency also has some flaw on my list of desirable attributes. That's why I suggest it would be wise to hedge. The assumptions of the past no longer hold true.



    On Nov 28 11:34 AM sr9web wrote:

    > The premise of this article is absurd. What is the world going to
    > use... the Ruble? The Peso? The Loonie? The Euro?
    >
    > The Dollar is the most important currency because only the USA had
    > global power and a strong military.
    >
    > Unless and until USA becomes weaker in total the the next best currency,
    > things won't change.
    >
    > It won't be the Yen - no military might. It won't the Swiss Franc
    > - not enough in circulation. It won't be the Yuan - too much risk,
    > political and economic.
    >
    > So now we are goiong to use "a basket of curency"...?
    >
    > Sounds like a currency CDO - what a great idea, NOT!
    2008 Nov 28 03:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Dollar redeemability for gold was de facto replaced by dollar redeemability for oil. For a currency to have value it must be usable for procuring things of internationally recognized value. What better suited than oil? It is rare and highly sought after, and until recently in stable supply.

    The ME is the world's de facto oil bank, where nations borrow oil and repay their loans with dollars and defense spending. This is why the US defends the ME Arab states, in spite of our joined-at-the-hip political ties with Israel. The world's largest army defends the world's largest bank, it makes perfect sense. Fort Knox is now Fort Arabia/Kuwait/Iraq.

    If Obama thinks we are leaving Iraq, he is an idiot. The dollar would collapse, as it would be an admission of military weakness by the US (as noted above) and it would be the middle of the end game for dollar-denominated oil.

    The end of dollar-denominated oil means someone else must step up to defend Arabia. To prevent this possibility, the US builds the world's largest military base in its new conquest; we will not leave until either the dollar collapses or the oil runs out.
    2008 Nov 28 03:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    What happened to Gold as a safe "currency"????
    Believe it or not Real Estate with low holding costs would also work.
    2008 Nov 28 03:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    SWRichmond largely has it. The dollar will remain the reserve currency until this guy:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    decides otherwise.

    Course. Reserve currency has some unfortunate side effects. When the entire world is buying your currency, it deflates your economy massively. Everything starts to become very expensive, particularly employees. So you have to find some excuse to print trillions. The military is a great way to do that. So the entire world basically finances your military ambitions.
    2008 Nov 28 04:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    sr9web:

    rah rah rah sis boom bah we're number one!! NOT!





    > The premise of this article is absurd. What is the world going to
    > use... the Ruble? The Peso? The Loonie? The Euro?
    >
    > The Dollar is the most important currency because only the USA had
    > global power and a strong military.
    >
    > Unless and until USA becomes weaker in total the the next best currency,
    > things won't change.
    >
    > It won't be the Yen - no military might. It won't the Swiss Franc
    > - not enough in circulation. It won't be the Yuan - too much risk,
    > political and economic.
    >
    > So now we are goiong to use "a basket of curency"...?
    >
    > Sounds like a currency CDO - what a great idea, NOT!
    2008 Nov 28 04:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Having the reserve currency has spoiled us (as in US) and angered others. They will find a way to bypass us if we continue to abuse the privilege and the more we abuse it the more we weaken ourselves which leads to even more abuse. A vicious cycle. The best thing we can do is at least implicitly promise no more currency debasement via increases in the number of US dollars. We could become a huge Switzerland of honest (non FRB) bankers.
    2008 Nov 28 05:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Why the yen and not the yuan? China's massive reserves and relatively high interest rates make the yuan attractive.
    2008 Nov 28 10:55 PM | Link | Reply
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    The best medieval currencies in medieval Europe were the (silver) Prague gros and (gold) Florentine ducat. What is the 'military' value of paper currencies with no intrinsice value? Is the promise to pay that a paper note implies more convincing down the barrel of a gun?




    On Nov 28 11:31 AM cyclingscholar wrote:

    > For a country to have its currency be a reserve currency, the country
    > must be politically, economically, and MILITARILY viable for a very
    > long time horizon. This leaves Japan and the EU (or as i call it,
    > the EEEEEEEuuuuuuuuuuuuuuw... out of consideration.
    >
    > cyclingscholar
    2008 Nov 28 11:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with American in Paris. The empire is very strained and some on here need to look at the situation from a world perspective - not just an American one.

    And yes, the military is very expended. The US has an awesome military - but when they can't win in a country like Afghanistan or Iraq, how good is all that military might?

    I also agree with Charlberg!! He said it best, "What is the 'military' value of paper currencies with no intrinsice value? Is the promise to pay that a paper note implies more convincing down the barrel of a gun? "

    On Nov 28 12:12 PM American In Paris wrote:

    > My American brethren need to shed this ridiculous nationalism bred
    > of ignorance. The US is clearly in decline and overextended. Neither
    > the Iraq nor Afghanistan wars have been won. Nor it is clear that
    > a global reserve currency must be backed by great military power.
    > The most likely scenario is three reserve currencies, not one, in
    > the near future. The Euro is a strong candidate because the European
    > economy is huge and more stable than its US counterpart. Indeed,
    > Europe enjoys greater fiscal and monetary discipline, a higher savings
    > rate, and smaller debt/income ratios than the US. Europe's net worth
    > is growing whereas the US is the world's largest debtor nation (and
    > growing). The net inflow of funds into the US since the early 1980s
    > is not about funding America's economic future, but funding America's
    > propensity to consume in excess of its income (a half trillion dollar
    > a year defense budget and a 2% personal savings rate says it all).
    >
    >
    > When you look at the facts, the long term future of the dollar is
    > erosion against other currencies.
    >
    >
    >
    2008 Nov 28 11:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    USD goes to 40 cents CAD goes to $2.20 as a commodity based currency. Hmm 70% of our exports are to the USA they cant afford us. 70 % unemployment in Canada... CAD falls to 30 cents
    2008 Nov 29 01:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    The observations that Japan has no military might are highly misinformed. While the postwar constitution limited military expenditures for the Self Defense Forces to a small percentage of GDP, the huge size of the Japanese economy has meant that that small percentage actually ends up funding one of the world's largest militaries. Because the forces are dubbed the Self Defense Forces and are not prone to military adventurism due to their mandate, their might is often overlooked, however, they are more than adequately equipped to manage the defense of their territory and there are many indications that they are champing at the bit to take a more substantial role militarily beyond their borders.

    That said, I have no major comment on their likelihood of becoming the new reserve currency. Just don't count them out for military weakness.

    AB
    2008 Nov 29 09:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    Someone please explain to me why we need 1 single, almighty reserve currency? Why would central banks and sovereign wealth funds not hold a mixed bag of currencies and precious metals? Seems that would be the best strategy for wealth preservation.

    Somebody enterprising might even create a unit comprised of a defined mixture of 10 or 20 currencies, some precious metals to sell to those wishing to protect against gyrating exchange rates, inflation and volatile asset prices.
    2008 Nov 29 10:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    According to conspiracy theory, there are powerful people (bankers) trying to obtain more power for the IMF, and make the SDR the new world reserve currency.

    www.imf.org/external/n...
    2008 Nov 29 10:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    china has a 40% savings rate.will that eventually affect world currencies?
    2008 Nov 29 12:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    Plant a kernel of corn, receive an ear of corn with approximately 300-500 kernels of corn back. What's this? Its how wealth is created. No manipulation of painting a wall of corn and saying its corn, no building of corn silos and telling the public they are full, no BS. This is a simple example of how wealth is CREATED.

    You can take that ear of corn, eat all of it but 1-2 kernels, and save those kernels for next year's planting. The remaining kernels can be consumed by the farmer and used to pay for expenses, but there will still be plenty left to be sold, and that's where the real wealth comes from.

    The US used to have a manufacturing economy, which made it several levels above simply growing corn as in the simplified example above. However, the promise of a "knowledge economy" to replace manufacturing never happened, and in addition is not the way to go anyhow. A knowledge based business is great, but is actually just another layer above manufacturing. Manufacturing does not and should not be replaced. Perfect example of a nation that gets this? Japan!

    So, what has become of the US? Well, rather than create wealth as in the simplified example above, we've become a nation of consumers. So, that's like importing all the corn and eating it. All the while relying on someone else to produce the corn. Consumption does not create wealth, unless of course you are a pig and are getting fat off the corn to be slaughtered! Then, yes, consuming corn is just fine, the wealth created is in the production of pork, which is more valuable than corn. Same for producing whiskey, rather than corn alone.
    2008 Nov 29 12:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    Face everyone, we are the worlds' mercenary. We help our "allies" and they send us the dollars back to do it. Our army is loyal to the government to a fault thus far. Very few other countries can create as large a military force and they certainly can't trust them or control them. As long as we maintain relative unity within our union we will dominate. A. Lincoln stated, to paraphrase, " If destruction be our lot, we,ourselves, must be its author and its finisher, for as a nation of free men we must live thru all time or die by suicide." In other words as has been oft quoted "United we stand, divided we fall." This is the primary imperative to maintain our world hegemony.
    2008 Nov 29 12:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    css1971 - - -

    I see you have an extensive number of posts on your web site. I have not taken the time to read through all of them, which might clarify the comments you have made here, but perhaps you would be so kind to post another comment here to clear up some problems I have in understanding what you have said.

    First, you said: "When the entire world is buying your currency, it deflates your economy massively. Everything starts to become very expensive, particularly employees."

    When everyone is buying something, demand is high and and that thing is given a higher value. Thus the dollar has risen in value recently compared to other currencies, Concurrently, we are having deflation in such things as real estate and other hard assets, surrogate money (such as debt instruments and equities) and commodities. You attribute causation. Can you address several questions?

    1. Why is the relationship between the rise in the dollar and deflation not coincidental?
    2. Why not attribute the massive economic deflation to the collapse in credit (surrogate money) rather than the rise in the value of the dollar? 3. Is there any argument to be made that the rise in demand for the dollar is a result of the deflation and not the other way around?
    4. Are there historical similarities to the current situation?
    5. Have there been past deflations associated with rise of the dollar?
    6. Conversely, have there been past inflations correlated with fall of the dollar?

    I have gone to www.fxstreet.com/rates.../
    for some information. Looking at the monthly chart (last 100 months) I see the dollar falling from 9/11/2001 to mid-2004 (about 33%). The dollar then rose for the next 12 months (about 14%). From mid-2005 until October, 2007 the dollar fell again (about 20%). In the past 12 months the dollar has risen again (about 22%).

    During these time periods, the rate of inflation (by time period) was: 9/11/2001 to mid 2004 = approximately 2.2%; mid-2004 to mid-2005 = approximately 3.1%; mid-2005 to October, 2007 = approximately 3.2%; last 12 months = approximately 4.4%. What I see in this small data set is a positive correlation: the dollar is rising when inflation is the highest. Does a larger data set (longer history) show something different than this correlation of rising dollar with higher inflation (less deflation)?

    I look forward to your reply. I think the questions I have asked may require much more analysis than suitable for a comment, but maybe you could hit a few high points.

    2008 Nov 29 01:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    So Canada starts exporting to China. Chinese companies starts issuing bonds, the world starts buying those bonds, dollar keeps going down. CAD=7.50 USD. Now we start exporting cheap toys laced with lead to other nations. US becomes China. Very Funny.




    >KIT 2 Comments Nov 29 01:27
    > AM USD goes to 40 cents CAD goes to $2.20 as a commodity based >currency. Hmm 70% of our exports are to the USA they cant afford us. >70 % unemployment in Canada... CAD falls to 30 cents.
    2008 Nov 29 01:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Could he not have said : "The whole world is buying your currency - 'in order to buy your debt -- a virtuous circle that cannot be sustained.' (?)
    2008 Nov 29 03:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    All fiat currencies fail in time. If you want to see what money used to be I have put a picture and commentary on notesforinvestors.com/....
    The next G20 meeting will stir the pot.
    2008 Nov 29 03:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    As of these years, the US$ will still be the currency to hold onto in case of crisis. USA owes other countries too much money and nobody would like to see it fail before they can can back those money with good return. Superficially, it looks like USA is taking advantage of this and enjoy easy credit but it won't last long and eventually USA will have to pay for it. In what form it is difficult to say as most credit nations still haven't figure out a good way out as is evidenced by the current crisis situation. The self destruction of the US economy by its leaders may be a possible outcome with more and more leading industries subsided, the path is already laid. So wait and see.
    2008 Nov 29 08:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    The sheople's dollar will not remain the world's reserve for much longer. It's something I would never have believed 10 years ago, but the overwhelming debt that we have incurred and the Federal Reserve has doomed the almighty dollar.
    2008 Nov 29 10:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    National currencies are obsolete. Every contract will soon be tied to a global index of currencies, commodities, metals, etc. updated every second and freely found on the internet. Since printing money will be transparent, it will be useless to central banks and currencies will disappear like the Franc and Deutshmark.
    2008 Nov 30 05:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    We're all doomed.
    2008 Nov 30 05:55 PM | Link | Reply
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    Again and again, history has shown that military empires cost more than they are worth.

    By the time you add back all the hidden and deferred costs, we spend close to $1 trillion per year on "defense". We've been doing that (in today's dollars) for the last 60 years. Do you really think we have gotten $60 trillion of benefit from our various wars, incursions, and meddling in other countries' affairs?
    2008 Nov 30 06:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    The last time the world reserve currency moved, from GBP to USD, it took many years, bankruptcy of the UK, semi defeat of UK in WWII and total dominance of the world economy by the US.
    Only some of these conditions are in prospect now and the Euro is a long way from being ready, even if the UK joins it.
    We do need a world reserve currency to support globalisation and prosperity and it would be better if its 'owner' did not exploit it as shamelessly as the US has done. What would a basket look like?
    2008 Dec 01 10:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think China is in for trouble with the drop in US consumer spending. The after-effects of this year will show in the next.

    The Euro is not as stable as its cracked up to be. The bailout of AIG was done specifically to salvage European banks, Europe as it turns out was far more vulnerable to the meltdown than even the US, only losses in the US are more visable.

    There are also nations in Europe who reject the Eurozone, while seccession of states in the US are drastically less likely than exit from the Eurozone.

    Ultimately, the US is still measurably the most productive nation per capita and I think that goes a long way into determining the reserve currency in most people's eyes. Its not about who can produce goods but about where and how those goods are bought. That will be the US for a long time coming.


    On Nov 28 10:46 AM Chris B wrote:

    > I would very much like to hedge my exposure to the dollar, and now
    > seems like a wonderful time to do it. Yet, I'm only interested in
    > currencies with long-term advantages, as I am not a currency trader
    > and I need to hedge for the long term. Long-term advantages include
    > huge industrial export production, low long-term government liabilities,
    > sophisticated and democratic rule of law and regulation, a proven
    > system for inflation control, youthful demographics, economic size,
    > natural resources, and low existing government debt.
    >
    > Obviously these criteria produce a mixed report card for the yen,
    > won, yuan, real, euro, US dollar, peso, AU dollar, CDN dollar, pound,
    > etc. Whereas the US used to have straight A's on this report card,
    > the end of US manufacturing, depletion of US resources, aging demographics,
    > and exploding government debt and liabilities with no controls in
    > sight indicate a severe increase in risk. Yet, what currency can
    > take its place? Every existing alternative is also flawed.
    >
    > This realization is old news. It is what drove the commodities bubble
    > earlier this year. Yet, those hedges proved to be better destructors
    > of wealth than the currencies they were supposed to hedge! The losses
    > in commodities brought everyone back to the dollar, but for how long?
    >
    >
    > A basket of foreign currencies and a portfolio of international companies
    > seems to be the best we can do to reduce currency risk in these uncertain
    > times.
    2008 Dec 02 04:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    The money supply is created through debt. When debt is issued money is created the second it is used for a purchase and that money is destroyed when the debt is paid off.

    Interest payments delay the "destruction" of the principal, and of course you can't pay the principal on a bond until maturity.

    The reason credit is used is because it is impossible to predict the velocity of money in any year. It would not be possible to restrict or expand the money supply based on any aggregate year without dire consequences.

    It is in fact municipal governments issuing bonds to avoid taxation that will be the next meltdown. Once municipal bonds start to default, we're in trouble. The Federal government can issue bonds with impunity.


    On Nov 29 08:29 PM grouphero wrote:

    > As of these years, the US$ will still be the currency to hold onto
    > in case of crisis. USA owes other countries too much money and nobody
    > would like to see it fail before they can can back those money with
    > good return. Superficially, it looks like USA is taking advantage
    > of this and enjoy easy credit but it won't last long and eventually
    > USA will have to pay for it. In what form it is difficult to say
    > as most credit nations still haven't figure out a good way out as
    > is evidenced by the current crisis situation. The self destruction
    > of the US economy by its leaders may be a possible outcome with more
    > and more leading industries subsided, the path is already laid. So
    > wait and see.
    2008 Dec 02 04:34 PM | Link | Reply