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Investors have cheered the most recent earnings release from Salesforce.com Inc. (CRM) and understandably so. For the quarter ending October 31, the company managed to grow revenues by 43% to a total of $276.5 million. Management noted that their services offer low start up costs, low risks, and fast results… A valuable proposition in these challenging times. But despite the eye popping revenue numbers, earnings just don’t seem to add up when considering the stock price. Earnings per share were $0.08 compared to just 5 cents in the third quarter last year. While that is a full 60% gain, the fact remains that it is still just 8 cents. Analysts are expecting a total of 31 cents for 2009 (the fiscal year ends January 2009), and expectations are for $0.51 in earnings for the following year. Impressive growth, but the valuation still seems quite a bit pricey.

ZachStocks disclosed concerns with this company back in August prior to the second quarter release. Since that report, the stock has dropped as much as 65% before rebounding sharply over the past month. But despite this lower stock price, risks still seem to outweigh the potential benefit of owning this growing company. In fact, investors will likely use the recent bounce to lighten up on their exposure and I expect the stock to fall again. Momentum players will not likely be part of the shareholder base as CRM is somewhat tarnished.

To be fair, Salesforce.com is actually a very good company and the business has performed tremendously well in this volatile environment. The balance sheet continues to be healthy with no debt and cash equivalents of more than $800 million. The number of new customers continues to increase impressively and international expansion should continue to bolster growth (even if the rate of growth decelerates). Deferred revenue is $470 million meaning that the company has already received payments for services in the coming quarters and will automatically be able to recognize that revenue in Q4 and into next year.

Still, the current environment has been brutal to high-multiple growth names. I do not expect to see this trend abate because investors will continue to take a skeptical approach for some time. High multiples will need to continually be re-assessed as companies are required to prove the merit of these valuations. And disappointment will not be treated kindly for names that currently hold such a multiple. In short, the risk appears to be quite large, but the potential reward is still questionable.

Salesforce.com is a wonderful company that I would like to own at the right price. I value the growth of the franchise and have tremendous respect for the management team. However, with the stock at more than 100 times this years expected earnings, I believe the money is to be made shorting at current levels. If the stock were to drop to $15 or below, that would begin to pique my interest.

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Disclosure: Author does not have a position in CRM

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    i agree. It's a good company, it will be around. But they're not doing anything technically that locks new (current customers they probably hold on to pretty well) customers into them like microsoft selling windows or something. They may have some first mover monopoly but does that deserve a 100+ p to e after 5 years of operation. google blew the doors off earnings in it's youth. These guys beat earnings 5% and it's a few million bucks, does that deserve a 100+ p to e?
    2008 Dec 10 04:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Agree - don't know that anyone can justify a 100+ multiple in today's market. In any market for that matter.
    2008 Dec 10 07:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree that SFDC is priced a little rich. The SG&A drag is considerable on earnings and the cloud model is a little different than the normal license model in terms of revenue recognition and upside surprises. SFDC is trying to gain more lock-in via AppExchange partner integration, Internet/Intranet resources, and back-end linkages. For a large, complex org that links SFDC to it's back-end systems (e.g., SAP, BI Apps, etc.), it is not easy to "rip" it out - they have some pretty good lock-in with their larger customers. Per my previous posts, I would expect SFDC to acquire some other SaaS players to broaden their footprint and better spread out their cloud costs. I think it's a good stock at the right price - per the article, I would look more closely under 15 or so.
    2008 Dec 11 08:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Excellent comments guys - although I always get nervous when too many people agree with me...

    Anyone have a differing opinion? Is there a rational justification for the stock at this price? What would surprise investors to the point that we would see a higher price from where it is now?

    Zach
    zachstocks.com
    2008 Dec 11 05:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    Zach why is every columnist like you badgering every good company so to protect Big Oil stocks and the "Commuting Car Industry!" Commuters driving alone to work and back home is still America's most glaring and mindless habit of wasting gasoline on a everyday basis!! Why cannot Americans start seeing it that they could have carpooled and save gasoline for pleasure drving on the weekends. No , this is not happening.. Most Americans prefer to drive alone to work and back home, then hop in a boat or a four wheel drive vehicle, or snowmobiling . Some Americans consumes a horridifying amount of gasoline in pursuits of happiness!! I am so amazed that Big Oil stocks has not crashed one bit... Really amazing! OIL OIL OIL !!!
    2008 Dec 12 01:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    Compared to printers and ink... ink is more profitable than printers... because it is so easy to produce, just dial valves and mix them and package , sell them. Same for oil ,, just refine oil separate it into various fuels and tar, etc. all in pipeworks. Workers monitor dials and gauges... yawn so easy to make profits... No menial work whatsoever... So easy to waste... gasoline and ink!! Most wasteful products in America!! Investors love ink and oil!
    2008 Dec 12 01:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    I had been calling on Americans to cut back gasoline consumption and people like you are thinking that you can get away with writing garbage like that here... just to get back to us.. I feel sorry for you! You are in for a real nasty surprise!!
    2008 Dec 12 01:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Gumby is still ranting about oil when the author was looking for dissenting opinions on CRM. That Gumby just isn't as flexible as we all thought.
    2008 Dec 12 10:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    Pokey
    You dont understand what I mean.. you see analysts are like wolf in sheep skin they try to steer investors away from other stocks by fear mongering them back into oil stocks still considered the safest stocks around even as oil prices had tanked.. Why? because oil investors are still convinced that we will splurge money on gasoline all over and run prices up again.. oil sharehlders are very patient types..
    2008 Dec 12 12:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Pokey
    I just thought of a better explanation for those kinds of analysts like Zachary on his article on CRM or any other stocks... I call this something like delaying tactics which mean trying to stall investors from going to certain stocks so to steer capital into other stocks. Analysts would use any kind of arguments that they think would sell or convince investors to stall or pause .. Overall, I see the possiblilty that so many analysts are currenlty all over trying to stall investors from investing in any stocks as if in hope to preserve Big Oil stocks and the similar ones that is preferred by the more priviliged investors. After all, Big OIl actually messed up our economy, yet they are not punished that much. who could argue with grossed out profits made by Big OIl.. They are safe stocks all right , why go elsewhere?? It is very damaging but oil investors could not care any less.. It is so hard for me to articulate things like that to any reader who see no reason to suspect anything or bother to dig deeper.. It is what I call behavior pyschology..
    2008 Dec 12 03:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    What I never like about analysts is that when they were wrong that usually became known much later and you can never find him again with that stupid article he wrote in the Internet.. What the analysts accomplished at least is buying time against or for stocks he wrote about.. I dont mean that you should not read his articles but you often would be fooish to believe every word he said. Most analysts use irrelevant arguments because they left out a lot to be desired . It is impossible to put any company wholly in a short article.. Analysts are generally cherrypicking points and leaving off many other good or bad . What are analysts aiming to do? You have to ask yourself , really.
    2008 Dec 12 03:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Pokey

    where are you ??
    2008 Dec 12 03:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    The most reliable information yo want to get is usually for a price.. So those analysts for free .. as I call them are cheap information .. not something you should depend on..
    2008 Dec 12 03:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    the price usually go above $50 an article... Want buy one?? dont believe so much in anthing for free they are like the bum newspapers you can have fro fre in big cities...
    2008 Dec 12 03:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    You probably have to be included in A-lists to get reliable information from brokers.. That is what celebrities, professionals, intellecutals get and keep ahead..
    2008 Dec 12 03:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    I cant help but wagering that the prevelant information for the A-lists is that they should stick with Big Oil stocks... It is so easy for me to see that like daylight... Now my information here is for free and it doesnt matter much whether I am a qualifired analyst or not as long as information is free and cheap for suckers to listen and act.
    2008 Dec 12 03:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Software sales will not be as poor as the folks at Zacks have forecasted.
    2008 Dec 13 12:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    Honestly I'm not sure what the value of these so called Analysts are. You might have the same luck as going to a fortune teller (might actually be cheaper in terms of fee's.)
    2008 Dec 15 03:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Zach, two things. 1) They have a decent technical relationship with google and any time an announcement is made people think goog is going to buy crm above the current price. 2) also I think a lot of people are short this stock relative to the float. When the price goes up a bunch of shorts get out quickly. You don't have any patient shorts here.
    2008 Dec 17 09:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thomas - Thanks for the comments - yours are definitely the most insightful in this thread (not sure how my CRM analysis points back to oil :-)

    You are certainly right in both your mention of the relationship with Google and the short float. This is a headwind to my assumption but in my opinion does not negate the difficult fundamentals and high multiple. Since the stock bounced more than 50% from its low, it would appear this might be a more opportune time to short as those two issues probably had a good effect on driving the stock higher. But in time, the fundamentals will carry more weight and so I think above 30, this stock has a good bit of risk.

    Thanks all (even Gumby) for your comments
    Zach
    zachstocks.com
    2008 Dec 22 09:32 AM | Link | Reply
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    Also note that Goldman has CRM on its conviction sell list with a $21 target price - that won't help. The short interest is going up, and the open interest on the put options is very large - have a look at the May 2009 17.50 put options - 9,064 contracts outstanding and they are trading at 1.70 which means people are paying 1.70 for puts at these levels need the stock to drop in half by May before they make money.

    To me it looks like, regardless of the merits, the hedge funds are piling on short positions and may target CRM as their next meal . 62x FY Jan 2010 earnings is VERY rich, and that's IF they manage to grow earning 60%+ in the worst economy in a generation.

    1/3 of CRM's business is from small businesses and spending may grind to a halt there.

    Great company but way overpriced in my view - what is the upside from here? Say they do hit the numbers and grow earnings by 60% in a brutal economy, fight off competition and price cuts from Oracle/Netsuite, etc. then they are still trading at 62x those earnings. So maybe it could go to $40?? But the downside is probably $10, so I think there are way better risk-adjusted bets out there. Somehow buying something like Intel (just to use an example) at 4.5x EBITDA seems like a better risk adjusted bet.

    By the way I am short, for full disclosure.
    2008 Dec 23 03:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    Dirkyp - Thanks for your insights. You ran through the short-interest figures very well but I have to say that these figures can actually work against a short position. When I am short a name like this, I like to see short interest at low levels (not always possible, but its better that way). The danger you run into now is that some good news will come out and the shorts will feel compelled to cover. That could cause prices to rise sharply as all the shorts hit the exits (read: buy) at the same time.

    I do agree with you, however, that fundamentally, the stock is already pricing in any good news. Even if they turn in tremendous performance over the next few quarters, the company will simply grow into the big shoes that the stock is implying. There seems to be much risk and very little upside. Well said.

    Thanks for the disclosure too - I remain neutral with no position.
    Zach
    zachstocks.com
    2008 Dec 27 10:02 AM | Link | Reply