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I’m a lawyer and accountant who agreed to work as securities counsel for an R&D stage battery company named Axion Power International, Inc. (AXPW.OB) about five years ago. The engagement turned out to be more complex than expected and I ended up spending the next four years developing a profound understanding of the technical and competitive landscape in the energy storage sector, first as legal counsel, then as a board member and finally as board chairman. I resigned from Axion’s board in January 2007 and about a year ago I was able to upgrade Axion to a larger law firm and refocus my attention on other clients in the oil and gas, biodiesel, electrical generation and nuclear power industries. My only ongoing relationship is as a stockholder.

After a six-month cooling off period, I decided it might be worthwhile to share what I’d learned about energy storage in a series of Seeking Alpha articles. I'm not an engineer or electro-chemist, but I've spent enough time working in the energy field to understand the investment potential of energy storage without losing sight of the complex technical and economic risks. I’m not a disinterested observer by any stretch of the imagination. Instead I describe myself as an optimistic technology-loving geek with a deep streak of questioning skepticism that comes from 30 years of hands-on experience working as counsel for emerging energy and technology companies.

This is the 25th article in a series on the energy storage sector that I started in mid-July with an introductory piece titled Lithium-ion Batteries and Centerfolds. [For those who are not regular visitors to Seeking Alpha, the blue text in this sentence contains two hyperlinks. The first takes you to my chronological articles list and the second takes you to my first article. The hyperlink formatting that Seeking Alpha uses is easy on the eye but it can be confusing to readers who are expecting more obvious links.]

Since the holidays are upon us and nobody is really in the mood for a deathless analysis of some arcane sub-topic, I thought an effort to integrate and synthesize the themes I’ve explored during the last six months might be worthwhile. If you find yourself bored over the holidays and want to better understand the energy storage sector, you could read the entire series, paying special attention to the reader comments. There are some very smart people out there who don’t always agree with me, but invariably share views and opinions that can help you build perspective, which is the first step on the road to understanding.

Batteries have been around for hundreds of years and are a ubiquitous but largely invisible part of daily life. Despite the importance of batteries in all our lives, the markets are just now beginning to see energy storage emerge as a discrete industrial sector. Many would characterize the changes as a simple evolution of existing products. I believe the dynamic is more akin to a butterfly emerging from a cocoon, a creature that bears no resemblance to the lowly caterpillar and behaves far differently. In either event it’s a time of great opportunity and great risk as products that were once mere conveniences become critical enabling technologies for cleantech, the sixth industrial revolution.

The first critical point investors need to understand is that energy storage as an industrial sector is still in its infancy. Every adult knows that infants learn to crawl first, then they learn to stand, then they learn to walk and then they learn to run: and once they start running the game changes forever. Even so, there are a lot of people who expect a different progression in energy storage. It would be foolish for me to try to enter my grandson in the 2030 Boston Marathon. It is equally foolish to believe that any current technology will be a Holy Grail solution to our long-term energy storage needs. The best we can really hope for is baby steps that get longer and stronger over time.

Historically, North America and Europe had plenty of energy and while waste was cheaper than conservation, waste was king. In the late ‘90s the rules began to change rapidly as 6 billion people in less-developed countries began to diligently pursue a better quality of life and questions about global warming invaded the collective consciousness. Concurrently, there was an inflection point that marked the passing of peak cheap oil. Since then the cost of imported oil has evolved from a mere inconvenience into a crushing economic burden that can only get worse as the 6 billion who want a better life gain ground on the 500 million who already have one. Now that escalating prices are harshly punishing waste; energy demand is growing faster than global supplies; and weather dependent alternative energy technologies are becoming mainstream, cost-effective energy storage has become an economic necessity.

Traditionally there were two basic classes of rechargeable batteries. Cheap, simple and reliable lead acid batteries were manufactured in all developed countries and used to start cars, power motive devices and support industrial infrastructure. More exotic and expensive Ni-MH and Li-ion batteries were manufactured in Asia for use in toys, electronics and portable power tools. For many years, there was almost no competition between the two classes because lead-acid was too heavy and bulky for the markets dominated by Ni-MH and Li-ion and those chemistries were too expensive for the markets dominated by lead-acid. In 2004, Frost & Sullivan estimated annual global rechargeable battery sales at approximately $24.3 billion, including $17.5 billion in lead acid battery sales and $6.8 billion in Ni-MH and Li-ion battery sales.

Over the last few years, the battery industry has been rocked by changes that can only be described as seismic. The global consciousness has awakened to issues like peak cheap oil, increased competition for natural resources and global warming; and the masses have begun demanding new energy solutions including wind and solar power, hybrid and plug-in vehicles and grid-based utility support. As a result, an industry that was once geared for annual growth rates of 4% to 6% is now expected to blossom from $24 billion to over $100 billion in annual sales over the next ten years. The difficult part is that most of the expected growth will come from new energy storage applications that are very cost sensitive and are not well served by the dominant rechargeable battery technologies. It’s a real horse race out there, but the prize to the winners will be immense.

In the past, battery cost per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of capacity wasn’t usually an issue because most lead-acid batteries were used in 1 kWh increments and all Ni-MH and Li-ion batteries were used in 5 Wh increments. In the emerging world of cleantech, however, energy storage requirements start at 5 kWh for an HEV, ramp up to 25 kWh for a pure EV and exceed 250 kWh for a grid support installation. When the storage capacity gets that large, the capital costs reach stratospheric levels very quickly. Then the question becomes “Can this proposed storage system pay for itself in reduced energy costs?” If the economics don’t make sense, the storage system doesn’t make sense.

In a July 2008 report on its Solar Energy Grid Integration Systems – Energy Storage (SEGIS-ES) program, Sandia National Laboratories published a table that compares the current and projected capital costs for grid-based energy storage systems based on both existing and emerging technologies. While the report cautioned that life-cycle costs depend on a variety of factors and significant modeling work is required for an accurate cost benefit analysis, I think the following table provides a reasonable starting point for investors who want to understand the relative capital costs of the principal energy storage alternatives.

The mainstream press is awash in glowing reports about a new generation of electric vehicles (EVs) that promise freedom from the tyranny of rising gas prices while saving the planet from the catastrophic risks of global warming. Unfortunately, none of the reporters and precious few of the EV advocates seem willing to put pencil to paper and calculate whether the proposals make economic sense. I’ve done the work and the answers are not pretty.

The average American drives 40 miles a day, which works out to about 12,000 miles per year. Assuming an average fuel efficiency of 25 mpg, the average driver will use about 480 gallons of gas per year. A comparably sized plug-in electric vehicle would need about 10 kWh of battery storage to get a 40-mile range. The following table calculates the 10-year costs of a pure EV based on the principal battery chemistries that have been floated as transportation alternatives. The table assumes a 40-mile range and a 40-mile average daily use, straight-line depreciation of 10% per year, imputed interest of 6% per year on the unamortized battery cost and an average price of $0.06 per kWh for electricity to recharge the batteries. It then divides the calculated total cost of ownership by 4,800 to determine a breakeven gasoline price.

While valve regulated lead acid batteries do not have a 10-year useful life, I’ve included them in the table to help establish a universally understood baseline for end-user cost comparisons. I’ve also included lead-carbon devices, which are still too bulky for subcompact EVs. Once you eliminate these two technologies from the mix, it becomes clear that a pure EV using Ni-MH and Zebra batteries can’t break even until average gas price exceeds $2.59 per gallon and a pure EV using Li-ion batteries can’t break even until average gas price exceeds $4.07 per gallon.

While the price performance figures for a pure EV with a 40-mile range are disappointing, they deteriorate rapidly if you try to manufacture a pure EV with a 100-mile range. To illustrate the point, the next table goes through the same calculations using a 100-mile potential range and a 40-mile average daily use.

These two tables starkly illustrate the fundamental problems with the prevailing EV proposals:

  • Pure EVs cannot pay for themselves unless you buy the cheapest batteries possible; and
  • Pure EVs cannot pay for themselves unless you consistently use the maximum range.

I believe the cleantech revolution has already arrived and stabilized gas prices of $3 to $4 are the best we can hope for after the recession passes. While pure EVs fire the imagination, they’re only cost effective if you buy the minimum range you need and consistently use all of the range you buy. Given the American penchant for driving flexibility, the only solutions that are likely to succeed in the market are plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs). But even they run into trouble if the battery range exceeds the average daily drive. More importantly, the net benefit to the end user is completely dependant on the capital cost of the batteries used in the PHEV. If gas costs average $4 per gallon, a PHEV that uses Zebra or Ni-MH batteries will yield a modest economic benefit over ten years. The same PHEV would be a break-even or losing proposition if it used Li-ion batteries.

I have consistently argued that America’s clean energy future will require the use of a wide variety of energy storage solutions and that lead-acid and advanced lead acid technologies would remain dominant for decades. The argument is not based on a belief that lead-acid and advanced lead acid batteries are technically superior or even technically equivalent. Instead, it is based on the undeniable fact that lead-acid and advanced lead acid batteries are good enough to do most of the necessary work and they are clear winners in any reasonable cost-benefit analysis.

I firmly believe that America needs to take a leading position in the cleantech revolution. I also agree with Andrew Grove’s suggestion that a reasonable baby step would be the conversion of 1 million pickups, SUVs and vans to PHEVs. That being said I think the proposals to do so using Li-ion technology are misguided because battery costs will make the conversions uneconomic for the end users. We have the ability to make pickup, SUV and van conversions paying propositions from the very start using cheap homegrown battery technology instead of expensive imports. Particularly in the midst of the worst recession since 1929, we cannot waste billions of dollars creating a monument to Asian battery hype. PHEVs have a bright future, but we need to choose whether that bright future will increase our national economic vitality or diminish it.

I believe the baby steps of the cleantech revolution must start with cheap, reliable and homegrown advanced lead acid battery technology. Something better, stronger and cheaper will undoubtedly emerge over the next 50 years. But until it does we need to go to work with the tools we have, solve our problems through old fashioned hard work and be ready to embrace new technologies when they prove to be something more than airbrushed centerfolds.

I first published the first version of the following table in a November article titled Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Will Beat Cool. It compares the market valuations companies that manufacture their products in Asia and focus on Ni-MH and Li-ion chemistries, which I’ve classified as “Cool Imported Chemistry,” with the market valuations of companies that manufacture their products in the U.S. or globally and focus on more traditional chemistries, which I’ve classified as “Cheap Domestic Chemistry.”

A cursory review of the table shows that the Cool Imported Chemistry group carries a far richer market valuation than the Cheap Domestic Chemistry group. I can only attribute the difference to intense public relations campaigns that have created a general perception that companies focused on Ni-MH and Li-ion chemistries will derive a greater benefit from the cleantech revolution than companies focused on more traditional chemistries. In times of irrational exuberance and intense public relations, the markets can be voting machines. Over the long term, they are weighing machines. Accordingly, I believe the market valuations are distorted and as the cleantech revolution unfolds, the Cheap Domestic Chemistry group will outperform the Cool Imported Chemistry group by a very wide margin.

Disclosure: Author holds a large long position in Axion Power International, recently bought small long positions in Exide (XIDE) and Enersys (ENS) and may make additional storage sector investments in the future.

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    lot of food for thought here.
    > jack
    2008 Dec 22 08:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    You need to add the WEIGHT, VOLUME and RECHARGE-TIME of the batterires to your table.

    If new technologies reduce these, they are a factor in how large/heavy the vehicle is, thus an effect on the amount of energy to move it. Of course recharge time is a major concern and tus can rule out a cheaper alternative as impractical.

    Is this the real reasons for new technologies? Or can they be dispelled by showing the cheaper alternatives per your table are in fact cheaper dispite weight, volume and recharge-time?
    2008 Dec 22 08:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    John,

    Happy holidays and best wishes to you for the new year. Another excellent article. Thank you.
    2008 Dec 22 09:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    A valuable and thought provoking article. I just hope that I remember to read it again, and have time to give it some deep thought.
    2008 Dec 22 09:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    jbde, the battery table came from Sandia not me. But the quick answer to your question is that a couple of lead-carbon technologies cut weight by 40% or more while slashing recharge times by 90%. Volume is still an issue, but it's more of a design constraint than a show stopper unless you're working on high battery range subcompact.

    The technologies are changing very rapidly and I would hate to see the rush for optimal technical performance result in grossly suboptimal economic performance. At the end of the day I'm a dollars and cents type who wants to see a product a working family can afford to buy.

    2008 Dec 22 09:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    I met with Axion management and was surprised they were going after the UPS market where they are less competitive with lead acid. ON a per charge cycle (heavy duty) environment they make sense. Less so in a UPS market, why mention that market as it seems unlikely they will have impact. thoughts?
    2008 Dec 22 09:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    nick, I've been out of the loop for a while and my lack of an engineering background puts me at a tremendous disadvantage when discussing technical specifics. But my understanding is that UPS systems are spec'd out in terms of both energy and power. Since the power levels on the PbC are off the chart compared to conventional lead-acid, it would probably be a mistake to write off any potential application until Axion gets enough devices in the hands of users to see what works well and what doesn't.

    Whatever provides the lowest total cost of ownership should and probably will win.
    2008 Dec 22 10:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    An even smaller and more cautious baby step would be electric lawn mowers. Hustler has announced an all electric zero turn radius riding mower which has no belts or hydraulics. I don't know what type batteries it uses but it would seem a natural application for a capacitor/lead-acid type. A rider-mower can use the extra weight of lead to lower the center of gravity.
    www.mmdnewswire.com/el...
    2008 Dec 22 10:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think the steps need to be a bit bigger than lawnmowers to begin changing the national psyche, but it shows where there's a problem there's a creative solution.
    2008 Dec 22 11:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    How well do these storage technology costs capture the benefits of recycling or the costs of disposing (safely) of the components? Lead batteries seem to have a well developed recycling loop. What about these other technologies?
    2008 Dec 22 11:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'd be in favor of converting the government's non-security or law envorcment fleet of vehicles to hybrid or PEV. It would be a big order for Detroit, and it would give us a good opportunity to test the effects on the electrical grid.
    2008 Dec 22 11:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    Lots of unnecessary verbiage to support highly doubtful and certainly dated information. Nice charts of a suspicious nature. I am sure the author is surrounded by mirrors.
    2008 Dec 22 11:15 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think storage and software are not spoken about enough...its equially if not more important than the hardware...
    2008 Dec 22 11:15 AM | Link | Reply
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    I stumbled through it myself and hope I never think of it again.


    On Dec 22 09:23 AM Ferdinand E. Banks wrote:

    > A valuable and thought provoking article. I just hope that I remember
    > to read it again, and have time to give it some deep thought.
    2008 Dec 22 11:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    John Petersen - - -

    I have been sending Holiday comments to SA authors that have provided me with valuable information this year that I have not been getting elsewhere. You are one of those authors. I hope you will stay with your writing efforts for a long time. Storage is the keystone for energy technology and energy distribution.

    One presently unknown factor is how environmental factors will influence the economics of EV and HEV. For example, carbon taxes, in any form, will shift the economic calculus. We just don't know yet what is coming in that area.
    2008 Dec 22 11:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Steve, recycling is actually a two pronged issue. The first is safe disposal but the more important is reusing the recycled material in new batteries. LAB works wonderfully on both counts. Ni-MH and Li-ion require awfully high degrees of purity, which makes it much harder.

    Sabbadoo, it would not surprise me at all to see governments at Federal, State and local levels consider fleet conversions on the vehicles that fit the profile. While conversions of existing fleets would be far less expensive, it won't give the auto industry much of a boost. But it's a good idea.

    Owlafaye, the information from Sandia is both current and sourced by a hyperlink to the Sandia document. If you can find more reliable or more current data I would love to see it. But don't attack the mailman because you don't like the message.

    Tessant, there are a number of people who think I talk too much about storage, but with the anticipated market growth over the next 10 years this is a monster new investment sector - a bit like the IT in the late 80s and early 90s. Storage is what will make everything else stable enough to provide the level of reliability our society requires. Without it we can look forward to increasing grid instability and lower reliance on wind and solar.

    John, thanks for the kind words. I've put a lot of time into this series and if I've stimulated thought in a few who want to understand, it's worth the effort.
    2008 Dec 22 12:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    John, you've left out one critical component of the cost evaluation, i.e. cycle life of the various chemistries. The recently highlighted chemistry, LiFePO4, has cycle life as high as 2000 cycles, with 15 minute recharge capabilities compared to the number of cycles for the best lead acid being 350 cycles. This would impact your cost dynamic significantly.


    On Dec 22 09:27 AM John Petersen wrote:

    > jbde, the battery table came from Sandia not me. But the quick answer
    > to your question is that a couple of lead-carbon technologies cut
    > weight by 40% or more while slashing recharge times by 90%. Volume
    > is still an issue, but it's more of a design constraint than a show
    > stopper unless you're working on high battery range subcompact.<br/>
    >
    > The technologies are changing very rapidly and I would hate to see
    > the rush for optimal technical performance result in grossly suboptimal
    > economic performance. At the end of the day I'm a dollars and cents
    > type who wants to see a product a working family can afford to buy.
    >
    >
    2008 Dec 22 12:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    Fine summary John - It certtainly points to the need of a $1-2 per gallon tax (less than Europe, but enough to beat breakeven in the US) for transportation.

    Second point - we really are talking about TRANSPORTATION, not just ENERGY STORAGE; so the various hybrids and steel wheeled-rubber wheeled-rails- and electrified ferries (and aircraft? barges?ships?) need to be addressed. MOVING PEOPLE AND GOODS. Our mission is not to just develop energy storage (I'd be for not developing any storage if we could use the energy directly, effeciently, etc.). STORAGE IS INVENTORY. There is necessary inventory, yet, most is wasted JIC.

    The only ONBAORD transportation inventory I want is BIODIESEL in a GRASS TANK; BURN IT; USE 100% OF THE ENERGY; AS NEEDED.

    If you are addressing electrical POWER GENERATION, then do that; and include nuc, coal, solar as $/kw etc. Again, storage is inventory. We need enough surge capacity to keep thinks running.

    On the average, we are all dead. But since we're here, addressing the peaks and valleys is our struggle. Storage is an interim process sometimes necessary to meet an end objective. We must remember it is a subset. Necessary, but a subset.
    2008 Dec 22 12:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    PS - there may be a better buggywhip.
    2008 Dec 22 12:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jphn - almost your own words "Pure EV's.....are successful ......if you use the cheapest battery possible...." LIKE EUROPE!

    What's wrong with that?? Add a gas tax and go EV, electified raisl, etc. GOALS: MINIMUM CRUDE!! MOST COST EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION!!! LESS SELFISH PEOPLE!!! LESS GREEDY WHATEVERS.....!!!
    2008 Dec 22 01:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    NCS, the 350 cycles is the favorite obfuscation of Li-ion producers and uses the standard car battery as a benchmark. Axion's PbC devices have no problem with deep discharge and provide incredible cycle lives by eliminating the lead-based negative electrode which in turn eliminates negative electrode sulfation, the primary cause of traditional lead acid failure. A comparable device from CSIRO has already completed a 100,000 mile road test in a retrofitted Honda HEV and the net results were a 3% reduction in gas mileage (120 gallons) and a $2,000 savings on the cost of the car.

    Jaybird, you know I like biodiesel, but it is no more of a cure all than batteries. We're going to need a combination of resources, efficiencies, savings and production increases (and probably a lot of things that haven't even been thought of yet) to solve the coming problem. Remember 6 billion want what 500,000 million already have. Our only choice will be making a lot more or moving down to an equitable average.
    2008 Dec 22 01:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    Amen John - and you know what?; it may be easier providing and guiding the 6 Billon in the right direction than changing the 500 million.

    On the other hand, If we are not careful, we will take the 6 Billion down the same red brick road we've gone down (because the tools, means, and greed are already in place!).
    2008 Dec 22 01:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    To: John P. - I question your figures that an EV automobile with a 40 mile
    range would require a battery of 10 Kwh. Ten Kw equals only 14 h.p.
    I cant imagine an automobile no matter how small being powered for 40 miles with a 14 h.p. motor at normal driving speeds. Am I missing something or did you miscalculate, or did I miscalculate. I calculate that the minimum size battery would be 30 to 40 Kwh for a small car. I am actually working on a project so this is not an academic exercise for me.
    2008 Dec 22 05:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thank you for an article that asks about the economics of hybrids and pure EV's. It seems like all the other commentary out there revolves around fanboys debating the pros and cons of their various chosen technologies or just claiming that the technology already exists and we need to buy it, regardless of price or limitation.

    I can envision a diesel-electric hybrid compact with a 600 cc diesel, electric drive, regenerative braking, and a small battery or capacitator for acceleration. Such a car should get 70+ mpg. The European Ford Focus diesel comes really close to that point as it is.

    Alas, we will continue to gear our automotive fleet towards gaz guzzlers for as long as the economic pain is not too bad. Unfortunately, we've discovered again and again that the pain can get bad quickly - OPEC practically schedules our most severe recessions. As nakedjaybird points out, the proven way to acheive energy independence is through gas taxes, which will never happen here.
    2008 Dec 22 05:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    John, what do you think about the 14 U.S. companies coming together to build basic batteries? It would seem like a good idea, at least on paper. It seems it would speed up development and beef up mass manufacturing.
    2008 Dec 22 07:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Naked, mercifully the 6 billion think an electric bicycle or hybrid scooter is pretty lux and those solutions will almost certainly tend to NiMH and Li-ion because weight is a far more mission critical issue in those applications. But it's folly to think that they will take 20 bicycles with a boost of 500 wh each off the road so that we can put a 10 kWh light EV on the road.

    Osterix, to keep a difficult subject as simple as possible, I only talk about the energy side of the equation because it's the principal factor in figuring battery costs. Power comes from the way the batteries are wired together to make a working system.

    Chris, Thanks for the kind words. My point for months has been that there's a huge difference between "what we can do technically" and "what we can do within strained family budgets." If the economics don't work, the solution won't work for the public. I agree that gas taxes in Europe are much more conducive to EV development than they are in the States. But the outrage that would arise from gas taxes of $2.50 to $4.00 per gallon are more than any political animal could bear.

    Nick, my only problem with the consortium proposal is they want to dump a billion Federal dollars into building really expensive batteries. People keep arguing that "if we throw piles of cash at the problem prices have to plummet." But battery cost is mostly a materials issue and my experience tells me that when demand for materials doubles, the price does not go down.
    2008 Dec 23 12:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    You fail to mention the large amount of U.S. government subsidies currently in place that make $2.00/gallon gas plausible. I assume your costs do not assume any subsidies. In addition, I believe that over the next 10 to 20 years, and probably sooner with Obama, there will be an effort to include the true cost (including environmental impacts) of fossil fuel burning in the retail price.
    2008 Dec 23 12:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    John - what's not folly is the 500 million have already provided the 6 billion with dirty coal generation of electricity, oil and gas waste-burning methods, messy means of producing products the dirty, wasteful, polluting ways - and of course Capitalistic Greed.

    Believe me, the bikes and scooters will be tossed aside (as quickly as they learn greedy americano techniques and fads as we've seen in other consumer areas of clothes and food). That will be as soon as there are roads and vehicles and planes so they can live like the Americans. Unless, someone teaches them differently. And we will fail at that, because we can't walk the talk.
    2008 Dec 23 01:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    And John - regarding gas taxes as you replied to Chris - they work. Europe is the proof. The US Politician is gutless - not a leader - sold out.

    But if we are going to change - someone has to bite the bullet and take the heat. That's what being in the kitchen is about. Come on housewives....show our leadership what balls are all about. Be a European dictator - make some changes. Tell Detroit and Houston to go to .....
    2008 Dec 23 01:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    PS - John: if you take a look, we just removed about a $2/gal gas tax for all Americans.

    So what would we rather do? Give our money to foreign oil gurus, or deveop better methods without needing crude?

    We just showed everyone in the US that we still are willing to consume about the same amount of crude at $140/barrrel as $40/barrel - except for a slight hint that the natives were being stirred. And in their restlessness were starting to demand that some changes be made. In fact, it may have been part and parcel to the election of a diffenent kind of president.

    History may prove that a different politician may have been what the people needed and wanted for many years.

    So, let's impose that gas tax now and keep the momentum going for getting off of crude- for good.
    2008 Dec 23 02:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Bueck, I've seen lot's of people rail against oil and gas subsidies. I've also been in the oil business and have never seen the government subsidize anything. America may not tax like the Europeans, but a lot of what people like to call subsidies simply aren't. If you want to talk about specific things that you think are unfair subsidies, I'll gladly discuss them. But without specifics I think the best you and I can do is agree to disagree.

    Jaybird, you're preaching to the choir on a lot of issues, but I really don't think the 6 billion will have a chance to adopt the same profligate habits the 500 million did in times of less competition for available resources. The real trick will be raising their standard of living without destroying ours - and that is no small order. It can be done, but there is a huge amount of work to do and not a lot of time.
    2008 Dec 23 04:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    John - pleased to hear that I'm preaching to the choir, but is that really the same audience you preach to??

    Actually, something seldom, if ever, mentioned in these same discussions, is the FACT that for the past 40 years what we have been doing is raising the standard of living in many nations by buying their crude (and other products) while we continue our addiction to crude (and consumption).

    That's one of the "good" things we've paid for while not doing anything significant about our crude addiction, and a "sacrifice" that Houston made in addition to not building any new refining capacity and drilling (which was also on purpose, and rightfully so, regardless of putting all the blame on regulators).

    So, first, we HAVE BEEN been raising the standard of living around the world for years (and not just thru handouts which generally don't get to the ultimate target).

    Secondly, we have not destroyed our standard of living yet, but we certainly have some flawed policies and practices that bring us closer to the sickening and destructive class structure of many nations we are helping (and some we are not helping).
    2008 Dec 23 05:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hello John and all.

    First, I'd like to congratulate you, John, on an excellent article and series of articles. I have read them all now, and I have seen your position grow clearer and yet broader; you are no hack after all. It think you elucidate your position really well.

    To the other participants, I'd like to say how much I have enjoyed the insight and intelligence in this group -- and the respect shown here, which makes reading so much easier.

    To state my own position on this, I'd say the following:

    a) We have to do something. NOW. I believe that electrical storage technology will move forward, and needs some help, but we must be practical. I think, John, you are clearly arguing for practical.

    b) I think we agree that all options must be open and that there is no singular winner. It's too big of a market to even worry about singular winners. So its not just batteries, is it?

    c) Personally, I'd like to see the following:

    (i) Convert the long haul truck fleet to natural gas. Lots of jobs in that conversion. Lots of room on those trucks for the conversion. Lots of LNG. Do it now. We have the technology. Do it now. Force it to happen. Help it to happen. Yes, its government-time. Might as well do something concrete with those trillions.

    (ii) Convert the inner city delivery truck system to electric or electric hybrid. Lots of jobs in that conversion. Lots of room in those trucks for that conversion. We have the technology. -- And John, those Lead-Carbon batteries seem perfect -- thousands of cycles, quick charge, deep discharge, highly recyclable, and most of all MASSIVE availability from domestic battery sources over just a few years. Keep the money "in the loop".

    (iii) Leave the domestic cars alone. Set mileage standards, and wait for a victor in the battery pack (sic) to emerge. This is a tough nut to crack. But help these battery people with demonstration projects NOW.

    (err. I'll get off my soap box.. Merry Christmas.)
    2008 Dec 23 09:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    Naked, When I stick to dollars and cents and talk about what works and doesn't work from a technical perspective, it's fairly easy for me to build a factual argument that withstands assault pretty well. When I digress into opinions, I'm just another voice in the crowd with an opinion he's trying to sell. So I try to deliberately avoid the emotional hot buttons and focus on facts - the voice of sweet reason as it were.

    TSVee, Thanks for the kind words. This is a new style of writing for me and each article is a learning experience in how to communicate about issues that are terribly complex but very important. The things I know for certain are few, but alternative energy in general and energy storage in particular are investment opportunities that may well dwarf most of the major trends I've seen in my career. I think we need all of the solutions that the companies I follow are working on. But the future purchases are all going to be big ticket items and I think mom, pop, sister and brother are going to be far more circumspect than many investors who seem to get emotionally involved with gee whiz technology that's too expensive for the masses. We are no longer in Kansas and we have no choice but to follow the yellow brick road where it leads. So let's take a few rational baby steps and see where we end up.
    2008 Dec 23 11:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Government intervention is the only way I see change happening. Its sad to say, but the American public just isn't smart enough to do the right thing. And capitalism wont win, especially looking at your numbers. I'm sorry, but big brother is going to have to grow a spine and do something and drag America with it kicking and screaming.
    2008 Dec 24 11:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Michigan, I'd be more likely to agree with you if I didn't believe politicians only support things that they can't be blamed for if the promised benefits don't materialize. That invariably means a 25 year solution rather than a now solution. My favorite example is ethanol tax credits. Carter pushed the darned things through in 1980 as part of the Windfall Profits Tax and it took 28 years to find out they created as many problems as they solved. Letting Congress rather pick the best battery instead of leaving that decision to market forces scares me half to death.
    2008 Dec 24 12:32 PM | Link | Reply