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With the massive monetary expansion experienced in recent months and the promise for unprecedented levels of money and credit supply increase in coming months, the United States Federal Reserve looks on paper to be sending America straight into hyperinflation. Germany's post-World War I Weimar Republic, post-World War II Hungary, 2001 Argentina, and present day Zimbabwe are all analogous examples of massive debt monetization, which all led to hyperinflationary disaster. Never before has the entire world's economy been linked to one nation's, however, as is the case today with the United States.

In a case of economic mutually assured destruction, foreign creditor nations and their central banks can't afford to spark a run on the US Dollar, because it would kill their own export-based economies, as well as devalue their debt repayments and foreign exchange reserves. But the United States has been financing consumption through debt for decades and has resorted to monetary expansion to finance its debt and deficit spending, which is only going to increase with Barack Obama's infrastructure and social programs. The Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) itself amounts to $700B, all of which will essentially be "printed." Foreign demand for US debt is all but gone, as creditor nations are now attempting to unwind their USD positions. Huge creditor nations like China and Iran were net sellers of US Treasuries in recent months, attesting to the weakening of the American debt bubble. So where's all this excess liquidity go?

The answer is gold, and it is the only way to prevent the hyperinflationary scenarios referenced above from materializing in the United States.

The Fed has been on a money printing binge of unprecedented proportions, but has been able to thus far "trap" the excess liquidity from reaching the consumer level, which is what causes price inflation. It started a massive foreign currency sale this summer through the Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF) that led to a supply increase of Euros and suppression of dollar usage. It has been liquifying troubled banks by issuing them T-bills financed through monetization in exchange for toxic assets by utilizing reverse repurchase agreements. And it has used the recent deleveraging and commodity collapse (partially caused by credit defaults in many of the overleveraged institutions that were supporting the commodity bull) to supply the temporary demand for US Dollars and feeding its own foreign exchange reserves.

But the excess liquidity thus far is trapped in time-sensitive and manipulated instruments now, and without a demand for American debt, it has to go somewhere. As T-bills expire and the stock market descends further, actual currency is going to be released out of sequestration into the economy. The Fed cannot allow the market to breach below its November lows, unless it wants widespread insolvency in insurers and banks, which are legally required to halt operations in the event of insolvency. I've heard estimates of 7500 and 8000 in the Dow as being minimum support levels that, if broken for an extended time, would lead to economic collapse in America as financials would all go under. To prevent this and to finance Obama's deficit spending, actual dollars will have to be injected into the system and they will be.

Weakness in the dollar causes strength in gold, which is something the Fed (through America's banks) has been suppressing for years. COMEX shorts dominate this suppression of gold prices, but this act will be discontinued to prevent economic collapse. Allowing gold's price to rise to current fair levels (and then rise further to represent gold's rising fundamentals) will soak up much of the excess liquidity, preventing hyperinflationary price increases in consumer goods. Gold reached backwardation this month, signifying the big gold market manipulators are abandoning their short positions.

Ben Bernanke is a proponent of dollar devaluation against gold and is a staunch advocate of Frank D. Roosevelt's decision to do so in 1934 during the Great Depression. Dollar devaluation is one of the government's most prized tools, as it allows debts to be paid back in devalued nominal terms, transferring risk and purchasing power destruction to American taxpayers, who have no clue what is going on. Inflation is a tax on the people and with a fiat currency, a power-limitless Fed can (and has) tax the hell out of the American people.

The dollar, and fiat currency as a whole, faces collapse now, however, as the artificial wealth created and used in the past few decades is now showing its nature as being just that-- artificial. The global monetary system will have to return to some sort of precious metal backing, directly or indirectly, and surging gold prices is essential for this to occur.

Rising gold prices represents the excess liquidity being soaked up and also causes nominal equity values to rise without dramatic rises in consumer goods. Gold has little utility outside of store of value, which is why its price hasn't collapsed at nearly the same rate other commodities, like oil and natural gas, have. As crude and steel suffered demand destruction from consumers losing wealth quickly, gold was barely touched at all and in fact probably would have shown even more strength hadn't it been for the aforementioned manipulations of the Fed and the global deleveraging of financial institutions.

Creditor nations like China and Iran are buying as much gold as is possible without dramatically disturbing prices, and Iran has said it wants to convert the majority of its foreign exchange reserves into bullion. Gold-buying sentiment is getting stronger as the massive seigniorage of the Fed, and with gold shorts being abandoned by the Fed, the huge demand is finally going to surface into price expansion.

Technically, gold appears poised to break out of its countertrend down move in its primary bull, leading to much higher prices soon. It broke out of its 50DMA on strong volume recently and is approaching a 200DMA breakout. With backwardation occuring this month, all indicators point to gold surging in the coming months.

Gold and gold miner stocks are also looking quite bullish. I recommend Royal Gold (RGLD), which recently broke out of a great long-term base, as well as El Dorado Gold (EGO), Goldcorp (GG), Iamgold Corp (IAG), Barrick Gold (ABX), Randgold Resources (GOLD), Jaguar Mining (JAG), Anglogold Ashanti (AU), Agnico-Eagle Mines (AEM), and Newpont Mining (NEM) for the coming year. Also, look into buying the Ultrashort 30-year Treasury Bond ETF (TBT) as the US debt bubble collapses and debt monetization starts to show up in the Fed's balance sheets. I do suggest buying lots of bullion, however, as stock market returns are in nominal dollar-denominated terms.

The American total credit market debt to GDP ratio is at unprecedented highs, well above 350%, and this with ridiculously manipulated inflation numbers artificially deflated through hedonics. The government deficit could top $2 trillion next year. And the Fed is going to print money to pay for it all. The only way to prevent hyperinflation is to return to some sold of hard asset-backed monetary system and to allow gold's price to rise dramatically.

My prediction: gold breaks $2000/oz in 2009 and $10,000/oz by 2012.

Disclosure: Long gold bullion; no positions in stocks.

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    Good for you. Stick to your guns.

    My prediction: Gold will drop like a rock before a sustained rally occurs. BUY DZZ NOW.

    No reasons or explanations needed, ala Pinelli.
    2008 Dec 31 09:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well I see where you are comming from on the gold issue. I dumped out of all my positions almost 9 months ago and am just now starting to convert my cash back to gold and silver stocks. Now as far as Obama running up our "monetary expansion to finance its debt and deficit spending" have you missed that last however many years of Bush doing just that with little good comming from it? Don't take me wrong I love my country but if you are going to attack please do so fairly. Good luck on the stocks you are looking at and happy new year.
    2008 Dec 31 09:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    Everybody and their grandmother is shouting about how gold is going to double or triple. Do markets usually do what everyone expects?

    I'm short gold for the short term (one or two months) until I see a few people saying that gold will not double.
    2008 Dec 31 10:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Current debate on the 'flations is as varied as the weather.

    It is also hampered by a confused analysis of periods in history when it has happened.

    Hyperinflation as in Germany between the wars, and Zimbabwe today, should not be considered alongside the inflation crisis that rocked Argentina a few years back.

    Inflation in three figures cannot be compared to German and Zimbabwean inflation that has figures ending in figures to the power of 10.

    I make this point in order to emphasise the one common factor between Germany and Zimbabwe. No gold in their treasuries, all fiat paper must have gold backing of some amount.

    Argentina was bailed out by the IMF, that did have gold to back it's paper loans.

    Your opening paragraph makes a very common error by lumping stagflation and hyperinflation together.
    2008 Dec 31 11:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    The only reason to hold physical gold and silver is when folks are not keeping their promises, like now. Promise breakers like Lehman, Bear and Madoff trigger other broken promises, just like dominoes. When the dust finally settles, those who kept their promises will be trusted and the rebuilding will begin. Then as more promises are made and kept, there will be fewer reasons to hold gold and silver. Until then . . .
    2008 Dec 31 11:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    Is the money supply ($) actually increasing?

    I agree that "helicopter Ben" is busy at the printing press. But with fractional reserve banking, $1 of printed money becomes $5 of "money supply".

    Due to loan defaults and the bank's reluctance to loan, doesn't that reduce the money supply?

    Are the differences offsetting or is it just a matter of time until they catch up and the inflation begins?
    2008 Dec 31 12:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    Magnet, to my knowledge and I am not the most read in this area, but in order to pay for the war machine and bail out all these failing banks and companies, money is printed and then loaned to us by the Fed. , which is not even part of the US Gov., but instead a privately held firm. As this money is printed and infused into the world market it devalues by default existing dollars, kind of like supply and demand. I believe that the above article spoke of how the banks and governments are stepping in to suppress what is really happening to the USD but at some point that will most likely fail and things should snap ahead or back to where they should rightfully be. I am sure someone that is more in the know could add a lot to this. HAPPY NEW YEAR.
    2008 Dec 31 01:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    Aitvaras,

    Your prediction is an interesting one , i would be keen to see how you came to the conclusion that gold will drop like a rock....

    Do you understand what gold is? or are you playing the USD carry trade game in an attempt to believe that it will act like the Yen?

    Are you aware of the fundamentals of Gold?

    Your thoughts are interesting and it would be nice for you to elaborate further on this prediction.

    Thanks

    Comet1


    On Dec 31 09:43 AM aitvaras wrote:

    > Good for you. Stick to your guns.
    >
    > My prediction: Gold will drop like a rock before a sustained rally
    > occurs. BUY DZZ NOW.
    >
    > No reasons or explanations needed, ala Pinelli.
    2008 Dec 31 04:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with $2,000 this year and good article.
    2008 Dec 31 05:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Comet1, I don't really believe it will drop like a rock but it has the potential to do so if additional forced selling comes into play. I'm pretending to be Greg Pinelli who has been tauting stocks of all stripes without rhyme or reason during a Bear Market in the middle of a severe recession.

    Every stock or ETF he picks is a long position. Meanwhile, since I believe we are still in a Bear Market and the Recession will get worse, I picked something he loves and UltraShorted it.

    Another reason, however miniscule, is that the Central Banks will dump more Gold than usual because of its current value and Gold is now up 8 years in a row.

    Are you willing to bet the Bank on 9, I am not.

    IMHO
    2008 Dec 31 06:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    aitvaras:

    Central Banks dumping gold? Are you kidding me? They are "prevented" from "selling" (really lending..they NEVER sell their gold) more than 500 tonnes annually. This year TOGETHER the central banks have not "sold" that much gold. They have even gone so far as to state they will be refraining from any further gold activity! SO, what gives you any indication they are doing so, when China, Russia, France, Italy and others are buying as much as they can get their hands on? Even if they DO "lend", what does that do to the almighty dollar? Give it up, please! If you want to chide the Pinelli's of the world, go ahead, but make sense, huh?
    2008 Dec 31 07:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Central banks are not selling gold beyond their agreements which is due in 2009. There is a mere 150 tons to be sold under the agreement but a lot of CB's have already stated they will not sell gold or supply gold for their mints at this point. Thats one of the reasons the mints are out of coins. Central Banks are hoarding their gold.

    If a country decides to sell gold, it will be sold over the counter (read; without market interference) to China, India and the Middle East. Those are countries with low percentiles of gold diversifications in there reserves.

    IMF and/or Central bank selling (apart from the gold agreement II) will not alter the price of gold, unless a JP Morgan is involved with a concentration of shorts backed by US Fort Knox (FED) gold reserves. For more information read GATA.com.

    brgds,
    2008 Dec 31 08:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    Of course..this is absolute nonsense! Naufal is correct and the embittered a..whatever, who I am now referring to as NoWhereMan never analyzes..never writes an article..and never gives a solid recommendation....
    It would be impossible for anyone to find a bigger potential loser than DZZ..but then..why would anyone be surprised?
    Gold and silver ave been..and will continue to make..anti-T bill moves..



    On Dec 31 09:43 AM aitvaras wrote:

    > Good for you. Stick to your guns.
    >
    > My prediction: Gold will drop like a rock before a sustained rally
    > occurs. BUY DZZ NOW.
    >
    > No reasons or explanations needed, ala Pinelli.
    2008 Dec 31 08:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    "If forced selling comes into play.." Absolutely briliant! Is there ANYTHING that won't fall if forced selling comes into play? Banks are NOT selling..that happened way back when..but..NoWhereMan seems to have missed that! If anything..look for Saudi Arabia and several oil producing states to buy Gold....
    Look in your rearview miron and all you'll see is the vindictiveness and shortsightedness of a certain poster...lokk forward! And make a profit..Best to you all....


    On Dec 31 06:40 PM aitvaras wrote:

    > Comet1, I don't really believe it will drop like a rock but it has
    > the potential to do so if additional forced selling comes into play.
    > I'm pretending to be Greg Pinelli who has been tauting stocks of
    > all stripes without rhyme or reason during a Bear Market in the middle
    > of a severe recession.
    >
    > Every stock or ETF he picks is a long position. Meanwhile, since
    > I believe we are still in a Bear Market and the Recession will get
    > worse, I picked something he loves and UltraShorted it.
    >
    > Another reason, however miniscule, is that the Central Banks will
    > dump more Gold than usual because of its current value and Gold is
    > now up 8 years in a row.
    >
    > Are you willing to bet the Bank on 9, I am not.
    >
    > IMHO
    2008 Dec 31 09:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Your vindictiveness is getting great reviews! Keep it up....
    Please..REFER US TO THE ALPHA ARTICLES YOU'VE WRITTEN..WE'RE ALL DYING TO SEE THEM.....



    On Dec 31 09:43 AM aitvaras wrote:

    > Good for you. Stick to your guns.
    >
    > My prediction: Gold will drop like a rock before a sustained rally
    > occurs. BUY DZZ NOW.
    >
    > No reasons or explanations needed, ala Pinelli.
    2008 Dec 31 09:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    Monetary supply has been pumped up by the Fed however that is being countered by massive deleveraging and deflation. Banks are just taking the money and using it to build reserves. The velocity of what the Fed is printing is zero or so close to it that is irrelevant. Not to mention that a lot of it is purchase of undervalued assets that is not inflationary. Socialist as all hell, but not inflationary.

    With continued foreclosures, defaults, unemployment and whatnot in the works for the next year at least don't count on banks doing anything but sucking up the output of the printing presses for a good while.

    Obama can spend a trillion on stimulus and it won't matter. Another trillion on the national debt won't change anything and won't lead to hyperinflation. The federal debt problem is a problem measured in the 10's of trillions.

    Zero interest rates, quantitative easing and so on - we have seen it before in Japan. It led to a stagnant economy, but nothing like hyperinflation at all.

    Yes you can invest in gold if you want, but don't count on big returns. Or even keeping up with inflation. Gold is pretty well priced compared with other hard assets right now. Buying now is not buying low.
    2008 Dec 31 09:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oh oh, Keep it civil Greg.

    Hedge Funds have been forced to sell because of redemptions. Some have stopped allowing redemptions, Paulson chided them publically regarding this practice saying it is detrimental to Investors and that they are not ingratiating themselves with Congress.

    If the Forced Selling continues into the New Year, those relatively strong ETFs like GLD could be sold enmass. This in turn could force GLD to liquidate its horde on the open market because many of the Counterparties no longer exist, like Bear and Lehman and others no longer have the liquidity or the ability to buy the gold baskets.

    This is what has been ongoing for the past 4 months to other ETFs. Bear Markets tend to savage everything.

    But this time its Different! Right.

    I've seen your posts to the writers of other Articles. I see no reason to subject myself to the same kind of abuse, like Mr. Anthony and Mr. Bui.

    I am not vindictive, I just respond but unlike yourself, I do not use vulgarities to express myself.

    And Silver is not required for drinking water.
    2008 Dec 31 10:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    User 301: It was on the fly and in response to some Vitriol from Pinelli and a new poster who coincidently used the exact language as Pinelli.

    Neither post exists any longer.

    I hope my added response clarifies my stance at this point in time.

    Besides, Mr Pinelli had high praises for a Mr. Schiff. Mr Schiff did a 180 recently. Mr. Pinelli now praises Mr. Faber instead.
    2008 Dec 31 11:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    So, it comes down to the best way to invest in gold. If you buy bullion prepare to deal with the likely confiscation that will ensue and prepare to live in an armed camp if you decide to store it at home. If you go the nuministic route be prepared to guard against fire which can render your $40,000 coin into a $1000 lump.

    If you really want to hold bullion, consider holding it at bullionvault (click link above if you'd like me to share in their commission :>) It's, by far, the best price and safe from greedy government paws in a professional bullion vault in Zurich. Buy now while the price is low and supply is plentiful. You can buy 1 gram or 100 kg for .4% or less above spot and instantly take title to your gold (not like the Perth Mint unallocated scam you see all over the Internet). Storage fees are 0.12%, again far lower than any known competitors, is often cited as the major drawback to allocated gold.

    Do yourself a favor and check out their FAQ. I'm still looking for the 'catch' but there doesn't seem to be one.
    Jan 01 12:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    What is it with articles about Gold that all the loonies seem to come out of the woodwork?
    Jan 01 02:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    dawase: I don't know, even when you agree with them on their long term aspirations, it doesn't seem to matter. There is no give, "Its my way or the highway", All of the time.

    So for the short term, I look for Gold to drop as the economy gets worse and the Iranian Food and Med. Supply ship is allowed access to Gaza. This will occur within the next few days. It will also have a negative impact on oil. IMO

    Jan 01 04:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    I would like the guys [who say USD is devalued because of printing] to answer these questions:

    Is the US Government the only govt, to print money?
    Is the US the only country in economic crisis now?
    Did any other countries offer bailout packages?

    My answers:
    All govts. cut rates, all govts. are printing money.
    Most countries are in crisis, it is the US which is quick to take actions.
    China, India, European countries all offered bailout packages. so, what's the big deal, eh?

    I agree with aitvaras. Gold is building itself a bubble. C'mon, nothing goes up straight forever. Gold has been going up and up and up.

    Countries build enormous gold reserves and do what next? At some point of time, they have to sell in order to liquidate. They can't go on building reserves of something materialistic. That selling time is now, when their economies are in recession or crisis. You will see selling now! Do you know why strategists keep pumping Gold? Because they amassed too much of Gold till now and want to sell it to naive people at a higher rate. They don't pump because it really is the forecast.
    Jan 01 09:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    Much has been said about the AMOUNT of money flooding the US economy but as you alluded to, the VELOCITY of that money is equally important. The government can pump capital into the financial institutions, the automakers and even directly to consumers, but until that capital is put to work, it doesn't have much of an effect.

    But the rub is that when the velocity actually picks up (banks start lending, treasuries expire, consumers spend) the inflation will hit HARD and QUICK. All of the sudden the billions and even trillions that have been pumped into the economy and have sat dormant become alive at once. The Fed could find out that it is much more difficult to REMOVE stimulus than it is to implement it.

    So at that point, inflation will be very dangerous and gold will become valuable nearly overnight. I think we need to be careful about being lulled to sleep by discussions of deflation or the new sophistication of monetary and fiscal policy. We should see a sharp increase in inflation in 2009 and investors should prepare accordingly.

    Thanks for the good article!
    Zach
    zachstocks.com
    Jan 01 09:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'll very bullish on gold, but I am looking at another round of forced selling as we are about to face a second huge wave of mortgage writeoffs and losses in the financial industry. 2006-2007 saw the majority of subprime mortgate resets. The majority of Alt-A and ARM loan resets (50 to 70% of which are expected to default) occurs from late 2009 through 2011, and the magnitude of the losses will be just as impressive. Forced selling may yet keep gold prices low.
    Jan 01 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Dividendmachine: you made a great choice, others have not been as fortunate. Like those that trusted GM and F.

    Dividend Reinvestment and the returns over time with it, sound great when comparing the return on stocks vs Treasuries. You do not assume risk on Treasuries if you hold to maturity.

    With any given Stock, you assume the risks of dividend reduction, dividend elimination or Bankruptcy of the company itself.

    Over time Stocks are considered to offer a much higher return. The comparisons always use an Index like the S&P. Individual Stocks within the S&P are changed annually, Mergers, Acquistions, Bankruptcies, Price levels too low to remain in the S&P etc.

    Like I said, you chose wisely.


    Jan 01 12:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Michael66: thank you for that link.

    Dr. Weiss's opinions have been widely followed for decades. I didn't know he was still in the Biz.
    Jan 01 01:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Foreign demand for US debt is all but gone, as creditor nations are now attempting to unwind their USD positions."

    If this statement were correct, Treasury yields would be a lot higher than they are today.
    Jan 01 05:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Deflationary tendencies still persist what with asset deflation (housing, agricultural commodity, base metal) being around. This contributes to wage deflation inspite of which unemployment will grow. So there is an overall lesser demand for energy.

    Monetary policy from Fed Reserve is veered around keeping low interest rates and this is intended to keep the value of the US currency lower. But I would think this would fail since demand is much lesser for any asset compared to 2007 and prior years.

    The Fed Reserve has run its course over interest rates. ZIRP does not help. What helps now is direct currency market intervention (ala Chinese Central Bank) to keep the USD low. This was what brought US out of the 'Great Depression of 1933'.

    Only then will energy (oil, ng) start to inflate assuming demand from USA, EU, South Asia and East Asia holds up and assuming that production from OPEC and non-OPEC like Russia, Norway, Nigeria, Venezuala remains flat to low. No amount of production cuts from OPEC will help now though.

    As for gold price, assuming Gold-to-Oil ratio should reach 30, then gold ounce price cannot exceed $1200 assuming mean $40 per crude oil barrel. And assuming a currency devaluation of 17 to 20% for fighting the deflation and with appropriate cuts in oil production to keep mean $45 per oil barrel, gold per ounce price has a maximum of $1350.

    No more upside to gold price exists. And all gold bugs are wrong if their price is higher.

    Kalahasti
    Jan 01 08:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    aitvaras, come on out of the rabbit hole. The sunlight is nice.

    From An Enquiry into the Paper Credit of Great Britain, an 1802 book written by Henry Thornton who was an economist and governor of the Bank of England: ”We assume that the currency which is in all our hands is fixed, and that the price of bullion moves; whereas in truth, it is the currency of each nation that moves, and it is bullion which is the more fixed.”

    Jan 01 09:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    Forget about the Rabbit, think more in terms of the Movie: Groundhog Day.

    Each day is more of the same, the groundhog comes out, sees his shadow and runs back in. This is my scenario for 2009 until something unforeseen arises.

    In 3 weeks, THIS administration will be the Obama administration with all three Houses of Congress under one roof. I can hope that this change will be the "unforeseen event".
    Jan 01 10:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Buy gold before the sky falls. People love the idea of gold because they see it as a safe haven. It has always been, at its best, a temporary haven. When the economy is bad, when the dollar loses value, gold rises. The problems is, it sputters and falls when the economy improves. Would you want to hold gold in prosperous times, with the dollar holding its own and reasonably safe investments returning 10%? Versus 0% for gold? Well, probably not, and rational investors would be selling gold in those circumstances.

    Gold is us 8 years in a row, but it's just about where it was at its peak in early 1980. After that, it went into a long period of trading between 250-450 before starting to rise again in late 2005, when it was 430 at the beginning of the year.

    Perhaps you could surmise that gold has already peaked again and will fall on hard times if the economy bounces back. If it does, look for the price of gold to drop like a lead balloon.

    Otherwise, listen to the gold bugs who scream of huge gains to be made by buying at the top of the market.

    Jan 01 10:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree.
    From the information we are getting within the mining sector itself, gold could well reach $1,500 US this year and silver back to last years high. Maybe even $25.00 US.
    Base metals will continue to lag although copper could very well see an upswing along with uranium.
    Jan 01 11:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    I never said gold would not rise this year, I said it would drop like a rock first. This is in line with my feeling that the Dollar will climb to 92 from the present 80 or so, before it starts its final big down leg.

    Deleveraging is not over.
    Jan 02 03:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    Yes, the government could potentially print money and send gold sky high. We, however, have a legislative system which would strongly frown on such a move. Things would have to get materially worse before popular pressure might allow it. This is why I feel that hyper-inflation, although a possibility in the distant future, will not occur soon. It probably would be a real miracle if we would transition from the current deflationary environment to a nice 1-2% inflation scenario.
    Jan 02 11:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    They do it all the time, but they don't dump it, they naked short it.

    Paul Volker once said his biggest mistake was "letting the price of Gold get too high".

    What does that tell you?




    On Dec 31 06:40 PM aitvaras wrote:

    > Comet1, I don't really believe it will drop like a rock but it has
    > the potential to do so if additional forced selling comes into play.
    > I'm pretending to be Greg Pinelli who has been tauting stocks of
    > all stripes without rhyme or reason during a Bear Market in the middle
    > of a severe recession.
    >
    > Every stock or ETF he picks is a long position. Meanwhile, since
    > I believe we are still in a Bear Market and the Recession will get
    > worse, I picked something he loves and UltraShorted it.
    >
    > Another reason, however miniscule, is that the Central Banks will
    > dump more Gold than usual because of its current value and Gold is
    > now up 8 years in a row.
    >
    > Are you willing to bet the Bank on 9, I am not.
    >
    > IMHO
    Jan 02 03:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    I've been in precious metals and commodities since 2000 when the Nasdaq crashed. Study of market crashes led me to the historical fact that the Fed inflates the money supply whenever markets crash. Since then, I've recouped most of my Nasdaq losses. It is harder than it might seem to consistently make profits even in an eight year precious metals bull market, because precious metals are so volatile.

    But, history says Fed measures being taken now to inflate the money supply will eventually show up as price inflation and be reflected in the precious metals. That being said, gold could easily dive before rising. If you want into the precious metals markets, never say the price cannot drop when you least expect it.

    Right now, commoditities and most precious metals have taken a dive, even silver, platinum, and palladium. Comparatively, gold hasn't taken a significant dive. If you think it has, you haven't been investing in gold for very long or you are only thinking of gold in terms of the USD.

    Why hasn't gold dived? Because enough people, including bankers, still think of gold as money, much more so than the other precious metals. And, they study history, they watch the Fed, and they sense monetary inflation coming after the current price deflation abates.

    You can believe that people will lose faith in gold and it will drop like all the other commodities. You can believe that the banks will take down gold again if it approaches $1,000 again (many believe the banks, most notably JPMorgan, take gold down periodically by shorting futures and via mysterious unspecified "derivatives"). You can believe that "de-leveraging" is not over and will knock gold down again as hedge funds take profits. Or, you can believe that Fed reflation of the money supply will fail and it is Great Depression II, and everything but cash is a bad idea. Or, the market can just decide to stab you in the eye for no particular reason.

    I'm going with the idea that history will repeat itself again and gold and gold stocks will provide outsized gains as they have since 2000. Myself, I'm wary of those sharp unexpected drops, and I think the gold price ratio to the other precious metals is significantly out of whack at the moment. Gold could drop to a price more in line with the other precious metals before it rises again. That's why I'm heavily into silver at the moment, not gold, slightly into palladium, and I'm eying platinum and palladium. The gold/oil ratio is out of whack too, so I'm also now into oil.

    But, I'm ready to sell everything and short or double short the S&P500 if the overall market turns ugly again. This is not a buy and hold market.
    Jan 03 12:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    I've been in precious metals and commodities since 2000 when the Nasdaq crashed. Study of market crashes led me to the historical fact that the Fed inflates the money supply whenever markets crash. Since then, I've recouped most of my Nasdaq losses. It is harder than it might seem to consistently make profits even in an eight year precious metals bull market, because precious metals are so volatile.

    But, history says Fed measures being taken now to inflate the money supply will eventually show up as price inflation and be reflected in the precious metals. That being said, gold could easily dive before rising. If you want into the precious metals markets, never say the price cannot drop when you least expect it.

    Right now, commoditities and most precious metals have taken a dive, even silver, platinum, and palladium. Comparatively, gold hasn't taken a significant dive. If you think it has, you haven't been investing in gold for very long or you are only thinking of gold in terms of the USD.

    Why hasn't gold dived? Because enough people, including bankers, still think of gold as money, much more so than the other precious metals. And, they study history, they watch the Fed, and they sense monetary inflation coming after the current price deflation abates.

    You can believe that people will lose faith in gold and it will drop like all the other commodities. You can believe that the banks will take down gold again if it approaches $1,000 again (many believe the banks, most notably JPMorgan, take gold down periodically by shorting futures and via mysterious unspecified "derivatives"). You can believe that "de-leveraging" is not over and will knock gold down again as hedge funds take profits. Or, you can believe that Fed reflation of the money supply will fail and it is Great Depression II, and everything but cash is a bad idea. Or, the market can just decide to stab you in the eye for no particular reason.

    I'm going with the idea that history will repeat itself again and gold and gold stocks will provide outsized gains as they have since 2000. Myself, I'm wary of those sharp unexpected drops, and I think the gold price ratio to the other precious metals is significantly out of whack at the moment. Gold could drop to a price more in line with the other precious metals before it rises again. That's why I'm heavily into silver at the moment, not gold, slightly into palladium, and I'm eying platinum and palladium. The gold/oil ratio is out of whack too, so I'm also now into oil. When the ratios normalize somewhat, I’ll be ready to get back into gold or gold stocks.

    But, I'm ready to sell everything and short or double short the S&P500 if the overall market turns ugly again. This is not a buy and hold market.
    Jan 03 12:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    SNN.T

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    9.6 Million Gold Equivalent Ounces correspond to a market capitalisation of less than $ 1 per ounce of gold. Recent takeover values have been in excess of $ 50 per ounce of gold.

    Coeur d’Alene Mines (NYSE:CDE) has recently completed the purchase of Palmarejo for US$1.1 billion and paid more than $ 200 per Ounce of Gold (Au-Eq oz)


    Jan 03 03:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    This is a scary article, sounds very doomsday and I hope it is exaggerated, but I do believe there are sound arguments there. But why amid this crisis, has gold not broken out? The common response is that cash became king, and all assets including gold were turned to cash by the institutional investors, leaving only retail demand on the rise. I believe gold and oil will both break out, as both signify real wealth above and beyond currencies.
    Jan 03 08:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    On "hyperinflation", which is the core premise of your article:

    *Sustained* hyperinflation, the sort of condition which utterly destroys a nation's economy, has _never_ occurred within a (modern) country that maintains a credible and project-able military force. In fact, historical sustained hyperinflations have been halted by either (a) establishment of a credible military power as in the post Weimar Germany; or (b) foreign intervention inevitably by a country or countries which maintain such a power, as in the case of Israel.

    Other countries such as Russia, when facing a long-run hyperinflation scenario, simply change the rules -- ie. default in one way or another. The world simply must accept that outcome and endeavor to restructure global financial positions accordingly.

    The goldbug theories are all predicated upon terribly flawed thinking. The sort which Nassim Taleb eloquently describes in his books. They are assuming a linear-style projection of macroeconomic factors in arriving at their outcomes which, of course, inevitably favor gold becoming worth a zillion dollars per ounce.

    I am not smart enough to tell you how this current situation will play out. But I am smart enough to tell you that I don't, and that I simply cannot. And neither can you. What you can do is think outside the box and broaden your consideration of possibilities. You can prepare for the unknowable unknowns by maximizing your exposure to positive things you can know, and minimizing your exposure to things you can't. Or more concretely, minimize your exposure to gold (note I didn't say eliminate it, just make it minimal).
    Jan 03 02:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Excellent comments by both Asleeper and Goldrunner.

    Its all about making selections and taking Insurance against worst case scenarios.

    With Gold at these levels, if you are not going to buy the bullion, then gold and silver stocks are the route to take.

    I've owned CDE since the mid 70's, seen it as high as $30 +, and owned its convertible Bonds. I dumped the stock after conversion. Bought Bema Gold instead, which was swallowed by Kinross.

    CDE, earlier this year, forecast the eventual production of 17 million oz. of silver annually. This would make it the worlds biggest producer by far.

    Why is it where it is? It has nothing to do with short selling, insiders have been buying recently, the biggest problem is the location of some of its assets and the number of shares outstanding. With over 1/2 Billion shares and silver at say $10/oz., 17 million oz. is a $170 million dollars, this does not bring a lot to the table when there are 551 million shares outstanding.

    CDE has great potential, I would like them to do a 1 for 10 reverse stock split.

    IMHO

    Jan 03 02:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    At last a name that fits both the attitude and the foresight..Of course, gold is not going to drop like a rock! DZZ is a fools play and a sure loser. But then..some people hate a thing just because they need something..Buy GLD ..GG...AUY...


    On Dec 31 09:43 AM NOWHEREMAN wrote:

    > Good for you. Stick to your guns.
    >
    > My prediction: Gold will drop like a rock before a sustained rally
    > occurs. BUY DZZ NOW.
    >
    > No reasons or explanations needed, ala Pinelli.
    Jan 03 08:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    wow
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    Pinelli: Trace and I were talking, you interrupted.

    The name is the one you gave me.

    You have a Profile. That Profile appears to be entirely fictitious. I have asked numerous times for an explanation.

    I have provided a scenario as to how I believe things will unfold in 2009 and Challenged you to provided a counter scenario. Apparently something like that is beyond your scope since " That takes some commitment and more than 2 sentences."

    "Silver is virtually the only way to create Potable water."
    This is your quote, did you even know the definition of Potable?

    You do not provide a single piece of useful information that is not linked to some sort of Rah, Rah for Pinelli.

    You did not recognize and understand the Catch-22 comment I left. All that meant to me was that the "investing for 40 years" was another piece of fiction.

    A popular 1960s stock was the Colt Firearms Company, they no longer exist. What did they make, other than Colt firearms?



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    yeah, Jesus, I believe. It's not a strong faith, it's a belief. - OctoberFaith
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    hey can I ask a dumb question?

    didn't they take 57 trillion out of the market economy by removing credit default swaps?

    shouldn't the value of the dollar actually go up?
    Jan 04 02:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    so then the real estate should hold lots of value.

    can I ask a dumb question, are real estate and Gold just ways of storing value like the dollar bill?
    Jan 04 02:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    I thought with the removal of all the credit default swaps and pulling 57 trillion out of the stock market doesn't that actually stabilize the US dollar, thus strengthening it. this would cause the price of gold to fall
    Jan 04 02:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Glad to have you onboard January.

    The credit default swaps, CDS, are alive and still toxic.

    Every now and then a little more gets priced.

    Perhaps, you are thinking in terms of the Auction Rate toxics which are supposedly being covered by various underwritering companies as part of State Legal settlements. It wouldn't surprise me if institutions were using TARP funds for these settlements.

    The next dollar leg up has started.
    Jan 04 04:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    Against conventional wisdom, I expect dollar and gold both to go up in a deflation. During this bear market, gold seems to perform the best when there is PANIC going around, not when CPI or PPI are going up.

    The gold chart itself is quite bullish, although I'd like to see it holding above the 860 level for several weeks. As for GLD, I don't think you can trust it too much since no independent audit has ever been performed on it. What happens if it turns out to be another scam?
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    If now is a good time to sell why is it that I hear so many adds for jewelers wanting to buy gold and silver? Why did we see a Cash4Gold commercial with Ed McMahon on the Super Bowl telling people to sell their gold for cash?

    As far as something going up in value perpetually, it's not so much that gold has gone up perpetually for the last 96 years as it is that the amount of dollars has increased perpetually for the last 96 years and so the prices of commodities have had to increase due to dilution of the money supply. Look at the latest chart from the Federal Reserve of St. Louis Adjusted Monetary Base. Notice the unprecendented spike in the adjusted monetary base in recent history and get a freaking clue.

    On Jan 01 09:12 AM Anon2009 wrote:

    > I would like the guys [who say USD is devalued because of printing]
    > to answer these questions:
    >
    > Is the US Government the only govt, to print money?
    > Is the US the only country in economic crisis now?
    > Did any other countries offer bailout packages?
    >
    > My answers:
    > All govts. cut rates, all govts. are printing money.
    > Most countries are in crisis, it is the US which is quick to take
    > actions.
    > China, India, European countries all offered bailout packages. so,
    > what's the big deal, eh?
    >
    > I agree with aitvaras. Gold is building itself a bubble. C'mon, nothing
    > goes up straight forever. Gold has been going up and up and up.
    >
    >
    > Countries build enormous gold reserves and do what next? At some
    > point of time, they have to sell in order to liquidate. They can't
    > go on building reserves of something materialistic. That selling
    > time is now, when their economies are in recession or crisis. You
    > will see selling now! Do you know why strategists keep pumping Gold?
    > Because they amassed too much of Gold till now and want to sell it
    > to naive people at a higher rate. They don't pump because it really
    > is the forecast.
    Feb 09 04:06 AM | Link | Reply