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Heny Kaufman, AKA Dr. Doom, lost substantial money based on the Madoff fiasco. The Madoff losses are a tragedy for those involved, but what struck me in this article was that I was unaware of Mr. Kaufman until now, and his Dr. Doom status. This now brings the total number of Dr. Dooms to four in my book, which has me wondering... how many Dr. Dooms are there?

Henry Kaufman, the former Salomon Brothers chief economist whose bearish views decades ago earned him the nickname "Dr. Doom," lost several million dollars with Bernard Madoff, making him one of the most prominent Wall Street figures to emerge as a victim of the alleged Ponzi scheme.

This is because, to my knowledge, in addition to Mr. Kaufman, there is of course Dr. Doom Marc Faber, the Swiss Contrarian in Asia before it was popular, and Nouriel Roubini, who I would say plays the part of Dr. Doom best if you've ever seen a video of him speaking. He probably is the most recent person to earn the monicker when his years-old predictions seemed to finally come through in 2007, though perhaps not for the exact reasons he initially described.

And finally, there is Stephen Roach, who is has long branded himself as one of the key bears on Wall Street, and who despite a recent embarassing about-face right before things collapsed, can still hold claim to being Dr. Doom due to sheer inertia.

The funny thing is that all of these very intelligent individuals nevertheless likely had very different explanations of the problems which the global economy faced and how things would unravel, yet all can now capture a share of the Dr. Doom glory. They do this by just being long known as a bear, by relating today's problems somehow back to their own original premises, or even just ignoring their original premises, not looking back, and describing and disparaging the financial problems which we now know.

Interesting lessons to be learned for aspiring pundits, though the Dr. Doom space now seems rather crowded. Probably best to now swing for the other extreme and build yourself as a well known optimist, though perhaps despite a tough market there is still an oversupply of such outlooks. Well, at the very least I'm pretty optimistic long term for the U.S. economy at least, so perhaps its time to start claiming the space.
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    Great idea, but there is no shortage of optimists!
    2008 Dec 31 08:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Add Elliott Wave and Harry Dent to the list
    2008 Dec 31 08:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    Peter Schiff and Jim Kunstler
    2008 Dec 31 09:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    Agree that Roubini is probably the best Dr. Doom. Even though he is of Iranian and Italian descent, I believe; Roubini reminds me of a Bela Lugosi type character. Of course Lugosi was the best Dracula.
    2008 Dec 31 09:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    Some one should devise a Dr. Doom indicator. It would compare the number of "Dr. Dooms" to the number of "Dr. Booms", maybe a ratio. When the ratio gets very high it might be a good contrary indicator. Would it be leading, coincident or lagging?
    2008 Dec 31 09:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    Nassim Taleb says he's more negative than Roubini.
    2008 Dec 31 10:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    the boom in doom is mostly due to gloom...

    the gloom in doom was brought about by boom...

    the boom in gloom is mostly down to doom...

    2008 Dec 31 10:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    Every executive and Federal official who presided over this fiasco is one in my humble opinion. The hubris stretches to mars...
    alphadominance.com/?p=...
    2008 Dec 31 11:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    Don't forget Peter Schiff and Bill Fleckenstein.
    2008 Dec 31 11:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    peterpainter,

    The doom from the room is directly proportional to the lies from the ties.

    It is for this reason that commedians and late-night talk show hosts began cutting them off their guests with pairs of scissors years back. The more a man prides himself in his sense of intellectual and moral superiority derived almost entirely upon inflicting pain and suffering on others, the more poets, visionaries and madmen will decry such atrocities.

    If Wall Street truly cared about this county, it would shut itself down for at least six months and send all of the investor types out onto every street so that they could confront the real world face-to-face.

    I see by my comment tickertape that I have finally achieved a zero balance once more. YAY! and good year to us all.
    2008 Dec 31 01:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Nothing from nothing - nature abhors a tie (cut or uncut), or at least I do - you're back in positive territory.
    2008 Dec 31 01:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jim Rogers. And I might add, the plenitude of doomsayers doesn't necessarily mean that we've hit bottom. It may in fact be that doom is upon us!
    2008 Dec 31 06:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    The 'best advisors' for Doom and Gloom perspectives are definately;

    1. Nouriel Roubini
    2. Peter Schiff
    3. Nasim Taleb
    4. Jim Rogers
    5. ...

    IMO
    2008 Dec 31 06:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    5.Bill Fleckenstein
    6.Marc Faber ( with his clipped germanic accent )
    2008 Dec 31 08:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Add Seeking Alpha to the list.
    2008 Dec 31 10:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Henry Kaufmann used to be on the cable news business shows back in the day as well as on shows like Wall Street Week. It has been so long since I heard from him or saw him on tv that I thought he was dead....he earned the moniker "Dr. Doom" not because of any prediction of a collapse of the banking system a la Roubini et al but because he was perpetually predicting that bond prices would crash. He certainly hasn't been a Dr. Doom of late: as head of the risk committee for Lehman's board, he obviously missed the biggest call of all time. Look, there are plenty of people who saw this meltdown coming, but they are not the usual talking heads who hog all the air time on tv...anyone who was involved in the asian financial sector during the late 90s or even the US S&L crisis and bothered to do just a little bit of comparative analysis could see that we were living in a financial bubble. The interesting thing about the current crisis vs. the Asian crisis is that Summers and Geithner pushed the affected countries to adhere to IMF conditionality--they get loans to deal with their liquidity crisis (i.e. cover their dwindling fx reserves to help them meet dollar debt obligations) if they (1) implemented tighter fiscal and monetary policy (2) privatize state owned firms (3) reduce subsidies (4) close insolvent banks/finance companies and (5) put those firms' nonperforming loans ("toxic assets") onto the government's books followed by auctioning them to....Goldman Sachs, Lehman, GE Capital etc...isn't it interesting that the same gang is now supporting exactly the opposite kind of response: (1) the loosest fiscal and monetary policies ever seen in an advanced economy (2) nationalization of companies (banks, auto companies, AIG) (3) no reduction in subsidies (4) after letting a couple investment banks go, they panicked and have poured $150 BILLION down the AIG rat hole and (5) no action on toxic assets despite the original intent of the TARP. Don't be surprised to see a 10% collapse in GDP in 2009 as the crisis works through the nonfinancial sector as access to credit remains difficult given the continued weakness in financial sector balance sheets and, unless we see some of the formula that worked in Asia in the late 90s being applied here, expect continued decline in 2010 and even beyond.
    2008 Dec 31 11:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    Didn't that Harry Dent guy write a book at the top of the internet bubble that the Dow was going to 36,000 from there? Now he is gloom and doom after the Dow has a horrible year? Seems Dent is a band wagon investor, who tries to make money by selling books during the boom or doom.
    Jan 01 03:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Any fool that gave money to Madoff should be a gloom and doom citizen today.
    Jan 01 03:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jim Glassman and Kevin Hassett. Here's an Atlantic article that excerpts their book,"Dow 36,000,"published in1999. www.theatlantic.com/is...
    Glassman, a Harvard grad, has since moved on to other endeavors and is for the next couple weeks at least the Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy. The Albert Brooks movie, "Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World" is a satire of the U.S. government's Advisory Board on Public Diplomacy in the Arab and Muslim World, of which Glassman had been a member. Key takeaway is that we should learn to take our financial advice from state university grads who prudently run mid to large sized regional banks. At least they aren't under the illusion that they can "change the world" as are so many Harvardians.



    On Jan 01 03:43 PM kurt walter wrote:

    > Didn't that Harry Dent guy write a book at the top of the internet
    > bubble that the Dow was going to 36,000 from there? Now he is gloom
    > and doom after the Dow has a horrible year? Seems Dent is a band
    > wagon investor, who tries to make money by selling books during the
    > boom or doom.
    Jan 01 07:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Doom or Boom theories are discussed and debated number of times. I do not think the readers here needs to waste their time listing down Dr. Dooms. Instead, it is the time to take the lessons learnt, just give some attention to both - Doomers and Boomers and go ahead with your own instinct.

    The real hedge is in being Realistic. But many a times they are confused with Pessimistic.

    However, a clear trend is emerging. The winner is the person who is a Doomer when the whole world is Boomer and changes himself to Boomer when whole world is Doomer. The time when you have more Doomers then Boomers, start accumulating stock (actually this is what Doomers do). However, I still do not see the same happening at this moment. I still see many Boomers around waiting to jump in the ship as soon as it starts. The fact is it will not start till the time there are many waiting to jump in.
    Jan 06 11:38 AM | Link | Reply