The End of Citigroup 16 comments
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Citigroup (C) shares closed Monday at $5.60 apiece. Only twice in recent memory have they closed lower: on November 20 and 21. Back then, the parlous state of Citigroup's equity caused Treasury to implement an emergency bailout package. Today, the b-word isn't bailout, but rather breakup: the Marketwatch headline says that "Citi may be broken up, under government influence". As Roger Ehrenberg says,
We are now seeing the sequel to the original Citigroup drama, As the Stomach Turns.
We know that Rubin and Bischoff are toast; it's pretty clear that Pandit is toast, too. But Ehrenberg makes it clear that Citi itself is toast, or should be:
It needs to fail. Just not in the haphazard, destructive way that Lehman failed. It can be done much, much better.
Someone needs to take Citigroup out behind the barn and shoot it. Because if we don't, it just may kill us in the process.
The good news is that if Citi can stagger on for another week, we'll have a new administration in place which isn't as ideologically opposed to outright nationalization as the current lot. Citi could easily go the way of RBS, and there's no reason why it shouldn't.
But that's not the only option. The other bit of good news is that Citi's domestic retail bank is relatively small, by BofA/JPMC/Wells standards. A buyer could be found for it relatively easily; if no US bank wants to step up, there are always the Canadians, or maybe Santander (STD).
The Smith Barney wealth-management operation is already halfway out the door; the investment bank could be sold to its own managers, much like Neuberger Berman. The credit-card operations and Banamex could be IPOed; the Polish bank could go to any number of European banks looking to expand east of Germany.
I'm sure there would be feverish bidding for the hugely valuable Citigold brand globally; once Citi's Japanese operations were sold off, the rest of Citi's global presence could either be absorbed into the investment bank or quietly sold off or shut down. I'm sure there are other bits and pieces I'm forgetting about here, but the point is that on a sum-of-the-parts basis, Citi's actually got some pretty valuable assets; the problem is of course on the liability side of things.
So either the government outright nationalizes Citigroup and then sells it off, or else it provides debtor-in-possession financing within some kind of Chapter 11 proceeding.
Either way, the world would see the failure of a too-big-to-fail bank, and that would in turn be salutary for anybody still trying to make money from the moral hazard trade.
Of course, the trick is to do the break-up in a slow and orderly fashion, and in this environment it's not clear that that's really possible. But something much more than a management shake-up is clearly needed: The problems at Citigroup are much too big and pressing for any executive team to solve, especially since there's no sign the company has a coherent succession plan in place for Pandit's departure. I'd say p=0.3 right now that Barack Obama's first major act as POTUS will be the nationalization of Citigroup. Yikes.
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That deafening sound you hear is the accelerating whir of the printing presses.
Who's next?
Thank goodness it will no longer be in Paulson's hands. He seems to rather funnel an infinite amount of money to them than see them go down. I wonder what accounting there has his fingers on it. Maybe some of those tasty CDS contracts they have. Or did Citibank use the TARP money they got to clean it all up yet. I bet Paulson would like to know.
As for break-up. Citibank is favored to keep shedding assets until there is only a giant brown egg left for taxpayers. And I assure you it isn't going to be chocolate.
First, with the general depositor being increasingly equipped with PC, laptops, smart phones, and the accelerated availability of affordable high-speed internet, both wired and wireless, online and mobile banking explodes.
Second, on top of the first, the public becomes more informed and sophisticated in investing through web. They go online for the best deals in CD, money market funds, savings accounts, etc., and brokerage as well.
Third, adding fuel to the fire, recent banking regulations opened the doors for a myriad of companies to become banks, such as GMAC, American Express, and even AIG to name a few. Competitions for scarce deposits fiercely intensify.
The reader could deduce for himself/herself that the need for a one-stop one-size fits all shop had practically vanished.
On Jan 13 04:31 PM broker23 wrote:
> What will happen with CItigroup s shares, if the state nationalized
> it?
On Jan 13 09:21 AM BunnyBen wrote:
> What would happen to their derivatives book?
On Jan 13 01:02 PM Teutonic Knight wrote:
> On top of every commenter had said so far, C fell prey to a fast
> changing banking landscape on three fronts that renders its business
> model outdated -- 1) Technological advances; 2) Regulatory paradigm;
> and 3) Customer needs.
>
> First, with the general depositor being increasingly equipped with
> PC, laptops, smart phones, and the accelerated availability of affordable
> high-speed internet, both wired and wireless, online and mobile banking
> explodes.
>
> Second, on top of the first, the public becomes more informed and
> sophisticated in investing through web. They go online for the best
> deals in CD, money market funds, savings accounts, etc., and brokerage
> as well.
>
> Third, adding fuel to the fire, recent banking regulations opened
> the doors for a myriad of companies to become banks, such as GMAC,
> American Express, and even AIG to name a few. Competitions for scarce
> deposits fiercely intensify.
>
> The reader could deduce for himself/herself that the need for a one-stop
> one-size fits all shop had practically vanished.
The one who said it must be drinking as it is the most contrarian comment made at the worst time.
If it would be said when C was 50$ it would be a wisdom, but to say it now is a stupidity.
I love C at 4.50$, I don't buy it as I don't trade stocks and I don't say the bottom is here, probably not at all and we may see reverse stock split soon, but to call it THE END of Citi....
End of the world?
One thing is to have a business model that can keep the stock from outperforming and another is saying that it is the cause of an implotion. There is a huge difference in both analysis.
On Jan 13 09:01 AM Ishortyou wrote:
> God knows what it could happen but one thing is certain and that
> correction of their books need to be done. Their brokerage arm has
> a lot of toxic waste in their books that need to be put at the open
> to take a closer look, so this move not necesarily seems to be that
> bad as long as that branch takes the uncertainties with them.