Should You Buy Stocks Before the Economy Recovers? 17 comments
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You hear it all the time: “You need to own stocks before the economic recovery begins;” “The S&P 500 (SPY) will recover 6 months before the recession ends;” “The market is a discounting mechanism.” Some of this is true. The market is clearly a discounting mechanism, but there is no evidence proving that it discounts well ahead of an economic recovery. 50 years ago this might have been true, but this ain’t your granddaddy’s stock market.
In the day of high-speed technology, discount brokers and real-time news the markets move quickly and discount news almost as fast. The markets have undergone a phenomenal technological upgrade in the last 20 years. The introduction of discount brokers has made investing more mainstream. The internet makes news available immediately to an incredible number of people. News is disseminated immediately and stock orders are placed within seconds. The result has been an evolution in the approach to investing.
Technology has created an entirely new kind of investor: a short-term investor. In the 1950s, when Benjamin Graham became the grandfather of “buy and hold investing,” it was difficult to trade stocks. The news was slow (hello, Pony Express!), orders were difficult to place (good-bye, Merrill Lynch - literally!) and investing was a game for the upper class. It didn’t make any sense to buy a stock for three months and sell.
But the buy and hold mantra has lost its grip on the investing public as the market has evolved. Investors don’t have to hold stocks and wait for the dividend payments to show up once a quarter in their mailbox. The free market itself evolved and opened doors to a faster more furious kind of investor and ultimately a market with a shorter timeframe. The result is a stock market that doesn’t discount as far in advance as it once used to - and the evidence is clear in the last 20 years.
The main influence in this evolution to a market with shorter duration has been corporate interaction with the public. As technology has evolved and news has become more readily available, companies have become more focused on interaction with investors. Investors demand answers in real-time and companies are more and more willing to feed the short-term hunger of investors. The result has been a sharp focus on quarterly reports. This focus on quarterly reporting has led to a shorter investment timeframe.
The following chart corroborates the evolving market hypothesis. In the two major recessions during the modern market (’91 and ‘01), the market actually bottomed in unison or after GDP bottomed. In the ‘91 recession, GDP bottomed at -3% in Q4 of 1990. The stock market did not make a rebound until the 4th quarter of the same year. During the ‘01 recession, GDP bottomed at -1.4% in Q3 of 2001, but the market did not bottom for another year. Buying stocks before GDP rebounded was not beneficial. In the case of the 2001 bear market it was a recipe for disaster.
Clearly, two recessions is far from enough data to come to any sort of airtight conclusion, but the lesson is clear: be wary of anyone who tells you you need to buy stocks before the economy recovers; it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese.
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That's patently wrong.
There are countless studies of recessions that have measured market troughs and compared the dates of these troughs against the end of the recession.
In the last nine econmomic contractions, the market has anticipated the end of the recession by 2 to 8 months with 4 months being the median.
In one of the two recessions you discuss, the market bottomed in October, 1990 while the recession ended in March, 1991.
The real problem is appreciating that the market makes, on average, three bottoms during the bottoming process.
I foolishly took the advice of the 'experts' and began building positions in Sept., 2002, and didn't recover until well into the spring of '03.
2003 was a great year, but had I been more disciplined and waited until the markets began to heal with higher lows and higher highs, I would have been a good 12 to 15% higher at year end than was the case.
Your point that trading in the markets has indeed evolved into an environment that demands nimble flexibility is well taken.
These are times for disciplined trading, good risk management, and capital preservation. Good luck!
Buy what Gore and Pelosi already did. And let Gary Gensler do what he was hired to do...make them a fortune.
Forget about the market, as the main problem for Main Street is what to do to survive as best it can until better times come.
No exactly rocket science with all these charts and historical nonsense.
The missing variable is the "when".
Also, GDP troughed at -3% in Q4 of 1990 according to the BEA.
On Jan 20 08:22 AM CautiousInvestor wrote:
> "The market is clearly a discounting mechanism, but there is no evidence
> proving that it discounts well ahead of an economic recovery"
>
>
> That's patently wrong.
>
> There are countless studies of recessions that have measured market
> troughs and compared the dates of these troughs against the end of
> the recession.
>
> In the last nine econmomic contractions, the market has anticipated
> the end of the recession by 2 to 8 months with 4 months being the
> median.
>
> In one of the two recessions you discuss, the market bottomed in
> October, 1990 while the recession ended in March, 1991.
>
> The real problem is appreciating that the market makes, on average,
> three bottoms during the bottoming process.
I disagree that buy-and-hold investing is dead. Market timing is impossible. As of today Buffet may be under water with his recent purchases but the game's not yet over, or even in the second inning.
Also, GDP troughed at -3% in Q4 of 1990 according to the BEA."
Maybe I was not precise in my language. Market troughs during recessions precede the conclusion of the recession as defined by NBER. And while the economy may have had its worst quarter in 1990 Q4 the recession did not end until March,1991. As I stated the market bottom was reached in October, 1990.
On Jan 20 01:45 PM CautiousInvestor wrote:
> "There are just as many studies proving your theory wrong as well.
> Specifically, Russell Napier's book "Anatomy of a Bear" and Claessens,
> Kose and Terrones study "What happens during Recessions, Crunches
> and Busts". You should check them out. Very useful info.
>
> Also, GDP troughed at -3% in Q4 of 1990 according to the BEA."
>
>
> Maybe I was not precise in my language. Market troughs during recessions
> precede the conclusion of the recession as defined by NBER. And while
> the economy may have had its worst quarter in 1990 Q4 the recession
> did not end until March,1991. As I stated the market bottom was reached
> in October, 1990.
Firstly a very detailed recent paper by Claessens, Kose and Terrones titled "What happens during Recessions, Crunches and Busts" comes to the broad conclusion that there is not much evidence to show equities recover months before the economy does. In fact the evidence from previous US downturns shows that private consumption, and output all turn up at about the same time as equities.
Secondly all recessions are not the same and any general observations will have exceptions. Other research shows that the most severe and longest recessions are those proceeded by a financial crisis. Sound familiar? These Balance Sheet Recessions are far more damaging to confidence than Inventory Recessions based on boom and bust of the trade cycle and there is most unlikely to be a strong rally months ahead of economic recovery when the issue is that there is real fear that asset values could still decline.
I intend to live by a simple rule. If most of us didn’t see this one coming then most of us probably won’t see it finishing. There are multiple bottoms in a severe downturn and in the long slow recovery there will be plenty of opportunities to make money without getting manic about picking the exact bottom.