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Over the last month, a number of commentators have begun to vociferously denounce levered ETFs, pointing out that, over periods of time longer than a day, many of these ETFs don’t deliver what you’d expect them to.

The first that I am aware of was Eric Oberg at TheStreet.com, who argued against ProShares Short ETFs in two pieces: “Why Short Sector ETFs Aren’t So Smart”, TheStreet.com, December 23, 2008 and “The Perils of the ProShares UltraShorts”, January 13, 2009.

In those pieces, Oberg detailed how the ProShares UltraShort Real Estate ETF (SRS) actually fell 48.2% from Jan 2, 2008 through Dec 17, 2008 even though the index it is supposed to deliver double the inverse return of fell 39.2%! In other words, if you shorted real estate via this ETF last year you would have lost 50% of your money! Disgusting.

The same thing happened with the ProShares UltraShort Financial ETF (SKF) which returned 1.4% over the above period when the underlying index fell 49.3%. So much for double short! Terrible.

Ditto for the ProShares UltraShort FTSE/Xinhua China 25 ETF (FXP) which Dr. Doom Marc Faber recommended in Barron’s in 2008 as a way to short China. The long China ETF, iShares FTSE/Xinhua 25 Index (FXI), was down 46.7% in 2008 and the UltraShort ETF was down 57.2%! Brutal.

Yesterday, in a comprehensive piece “Warning: Leveraged and Inverse ETFs Kill Portfolios”, Paul Justice of Morningstar hammered home the point.

The ProShares UltraShort MSCI Emerging Market ETF (EEV) actually fell 25% last year even though the underlying index was down 52%!

The ProShares UltraShort Oil & Gas ETF (DUG) actually lost 19% last year when the Dow Jones Oil & Gas index was down around 40%.

The whole thing makes me sick. Obviously, many of these ProShares UltraShort ETFs don’t work over periods of time longer than a day, making them unsuitable to implement a longer term investment thesis.

One question is whether it’s just the ProShares UltraShort ETFs that are disasters. Looking at Oberg and Justices’s examples, the ProShares double levered long ETFs seem to have done a pretty good job: URE (Ultra Real Estate), UYG (Ultra Financials) and DIG (Ultra Oil & Gas) delivered about twice the return of their respective indexes in 2008. SSO (Ultra S&P 500) also appears to have done a good job.

One of the main reasons these ETFs fail is that they are designed to deliver double the return of the underlying index on a daily basis. This daily compounding leads to distortions over longer periods of time, especially when the underlying indexes are especially volatile. Oberg points out that the ProShares Ultra and UltraShort S&P 500 ETFs have done a pretty good job because volatility in the S&P 500 isn’t that great compared to some of the sectors like emerging markets, real estate and financials.

As someone who does some trades using these ETFs, this is a big worry for me. I’ve been studying the charts, and the ETFs I’ve been trading lately (SSO, DIG, TBT) seem to have done a good job of delivering what I was hoping they would. But it’s raised some real doubts for me about the suitability of these investments. It’s worth realizing that these ETFs do what they do by owning derivatives and so it’s not a perfectly transparent implementation. I’m still thinking about whether or not I want to be involved with these vehicles. I’ll be watching them closely.

Disclosure: Top Gun owns SSO, DIG and TBT.

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    They're trading vehicles and you'll see that they perform pretty well over short periods of time. Longer term, all bets are off. If you want leverage and are going to hold for a long time, then go with options.
    Jan 23 03:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Please comment on USO performance long term.Does it suffer from the same malais?
    Jan 23 03:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Agree with Jeff above - I held SRS from 120 to 60 earlier this month. Good thing it was only 1 share! I might have been able to break even if I'd held longer, but that thing is a big, broken question mark - I decided to cut my losses and learn from my mistake.

    I'll now consider buying puts on IYR next time I look to short RE.
    Jan 23 04:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Agreed Jeff332,

    Total return = intraday + interday variation

    These derivitive-based funds seem to only capture the intraday portion. If an investment typically declines interday but typically rises a smaller amount intraday, the double-short ETFs will not work.

    Also, derivitive prices are based on investor judgement and guesswork, while indices are based on markets.

    Now if the ETF was holding options a few months or years out, the value of those options should be correctly reflected long-term. We'll have to examine our prospecti closely to determine what technique is being used.
    Jan 23 04:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    USO is a commodities trading partnership and is not = to a barrel of oil like a gold ETF. I have had terrible results with this in the past and when you get a K-1 showing commodity trading gains or losses totally unrelated to the stock price it is not a pleasant shock. So far the new UCO seems to be doing amuch better job of tracking real oil prices.


    On Jan 23 03:59 PM Clare123456 wrote:

    > Please comment on USO performance long term.Does it suffer from the
    > same malais?
    Jan 23 04:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    In a trendless but volatile market, though, it would seem a good bet to short these vehicles. Not even accounting for the constant leverage trap, imagine a sequence of six days where the market goes up 1%, down 1%, up 2%, down 2%, up 3%, down 3%. Arithmetically, the loss of the 2x fund is four times as great. It is my position that these should never be held for more than one day.
    Jan 23 04:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have had terrible results holding several double inverse ETF's for several months now and in the future would only trade them very short term. Even with their big dividends (Which are taxable even though they are just return of capital) the results are not very good. This seems to be because they are not just short the market long term, but adjust every day so your returns literally diminish over time as each day they adjust the basis of their short positions. I had bought these as long term protection against the market, but would be much better off with Puts. Live and learn.
    Jan 23 04:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    I owned a sizeable stake of SRS (2 x short real estate) from mid November 2007 to mid November 2008 (1 year + 1 day for LT tax status) and was simply fortunate to experience a 160% gain. Now I realize I could've done better by actually shorting an ultraBULL real estate ETF instead of buying an ultrabear ETF. After SRS dropped back down to earth, I got back in with only my gains from the previous investment and I'm getting hosed. I'm curious if ProShares will revise its methodology.
    Jan 23 04:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    What about Ultra Long ETFs? Are they also questionable over long periods of time?
    Jan 23 04:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    FXP had three great spikes during the year above 150,but closed the year at 40.I agree with all commenters..
    Jan 23 04:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes, but UCO is leveraged and USO is not. Remember that these are not funds per se but limited partnerships rolling contracts monthly, and so with commodities ETFs, you add contango risk. Right now, oil is still in contango, and so even owning USO with no leverage is still challenging because higher priced contracts must be bought from lower priced contracts each expiry. That being said, the waning of contango may be associated with a new bull, and in this case, it may well be worth holding USO regardless of contango risk.


    On Jan 23 04:18 PM market ace wrote:

    > USO is a commodities trading partnership and is not = to a barrel
    > of oil like a gold ETF. I have had terrible results with this in
    > the past and when you get a K-1 showing commodity trading gains or
    > losses totally unrelated to the stock price it is not a pleasant
    > shock. So far the new UCO seems to be doing amuch better job of tracking
    > real oil prices.
    Jan 23 04:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    I sold my long reits and bought srs in april 2007. I was happy with it until about mid december 2008. When it went over 200 I felt very intelligent. Then it fell apart. I actually suspected it might fall apart but I couldn't get anyone to explain to me how Proshares was accomplishing the double short. Somebody said Proshares does swaps but I don't understand swaps that well and I don't see how they could use them to be short. I see all these people say "Ultra Short vehicles only try to get their results day by day". I don't know what that means. No one would buy srs or sks if it was only good for a day. As James Grant said in a recent newsletter about Proshares Ultra Short "Don't forget to sell".
    Jan 23 04:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    Is there a class action lawsuit againt these thieves yet?
    Jan 23 04:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hi, welcome to Seeking Alpha, first time here?

    Slippage is a very old topic on these boards.
    Jan 23 05:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    I've had nice success with the UltraShorts when I follow these three rules:

    1.) enter only with strong conviction/research market sector/index is weak, and 2.) always employ a stop-loss (I use the 5% rule), and just as importantly - 3.) take gains off the table when it's chart goes parabolic - that means EVEN if the market fundamentals still support declines in the underlying sector/index.

    I've had major troubles with the UltraShorts when I disobey rule #2
    Jan 23 05:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with the bad performance of the ultrashort - ultralong ETFs, but there is the case of DTO, which was a short ETF of the OIL.
    It had a very good performance. Now i hold DXO (ultra-long on OIL), and it does not have the same performance of the OIL. The OIL this week was up from 35 to 44 and the DXO finish the week with the same price at the begining
    Jan 23 05:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    One technique I use:
    I watch each ones current volatility because it changes lots. I only invest if it's got lots of volatility. The up/down +10 per day (DOW drops 200), or +1 per day (DOWN drops 200) changes lots over time per symbol.

    One example:
    EEV almost got me! I put lots of money into EEV because it moved so much, then it's voltility just disappeared. I sold with only $100.00 gain, but got out. I also have questions concerning how that $100.00 gets taxed or does it get taxed etc...etc..
    Jan 23 05:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Never own these for any length of time!! They are great to day trade. SKF has made me a ton of money when the financials are taking a beating. DIG and DUG have also been very good when oil has huge swings. Again, you have to sit and watch them until you sell them.

    I am holding TBT for a long position though. TBT is almost a sure bet against the 20 year Treasuries!! When money flows out of treasuries and back into bonds or the market, interest rates will surely rise. If we are lucky enough to get some major inflation with all the trillions being printed - the big lotto jackpot could be at the end of the TBT rainbow!!
    Jan 23 05:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Do people think there is a psychological component to these ultra shorts or are they only priced according to the value of the assets they hold? srs is an etf. It sits on the market and people can trade it. Those days in november when it went over 200 there were lots of people who thought the reits were done for and that they'd never borrow another dollar in the credit markets. Is that why it went over 200 and quickly fell back?
    Jan 23 06:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Did you account for dividends? If you take into account dividend DUG was up 18% last year ($8.20 was distributed throughout the year). Not quite what you would want - since the underlying index was down 40%.
    Jan 23 06:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    hwo about mutual funds that short? they arent double levered. do these tend to perform better?
    Jan 23 06:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree that these things should not be held in any portfolio longer than a day. I actually made an attempt at using a few of these, and figured out real quick that they didn't work over any period of time. The prospectus is equally useless in disclosing how they really perform.

    There is nothing more frustrating than realizing your investment thesis was correct while watching your investment vehicle do the opposite of what it should.
    Jan 23 07:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    >> Is there a class action lawsuit against these thieves yet? <<

    Excellent question!!
    How do we know the accounting is straight in these "ETFs"? Answer - we don't.

    How do we know there is not a flaw in their methodology? Answer - we don't.

    How do we know the people running these things are honest? Answer - we don't.

    At this stage of the game, after Madoff, Cox, Thain, Cayne, Fuld, and assorted other crooks and scamsters have raped the market and/or the companies they worked for - what can you trust?

    An ETF? Really? I mean, REALLY??
    Jan 23 07:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Contango and Backwardation are the chief problems. When the next contract they have to buy is more expensive than the one they are selling the share price drops. When this happens over several months like it sometimes does, the value of your holding erodes away.


    On Jan 23 03:59 PM Clare123456 wrote:

    > Please comment on USO performance long term.Does it suffer from the
    > same malais?
    Jan 23 08:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    I believe anyone doing the least bit of investigation into the leveraged etfs would understand the advantages and disadvantages of using them. Your headline "Distressing Details of the UltraShorts" seems to me to be inflamitory and disparging of a very useful product. There was nothing distressing for me using these products the last year (they saved my ass), along with regular equities, giving me an annual return ofover 50% for 2008. There has been numerous articles on this site explaning how they work and anyone using them should have not only read, but thought about the information on how the calculations are make. All readilly available at the fund's sites!
    Jan 23 08:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    This is an excellent question. The only thing which keeps ETFs net-asset-value honest is the ability to create or redeem shares by delivering or demanding the defined portfolio content in exchange. With the ultra short ETFs, the holdings may be so esoteric and illiquid that this self-correcting mechanism is ineffective to keep share price tethered to NAV.


    On Jan 23 06:01 PM Thomas J. Gordon wrote:

    > Do people think there is a psychological component to these ultra
    > shorts or are they only priced according to the value of the assets
    > they hold? srs is an etf. It sits on the market and people can
    > trade it. Those days in november when it went over 200 there were
    > lots of people who thought the reits were done for and that they'd
    > never borrow another dollar in the credit markets. Is that why it
    > went over 200 and quickly fell back?
    Jan 23 09:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thanks for your article which helpfully contributes to the widening recognition of the serious shortcomings of the Ultrashort funds. Sounds like there is no point in buying the funds unless you have a time horizon of a day. And even then, I would guess commissions would lower your return.
    Jan 23 10:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well i have never bought into these hyped vehicles, EFT's, The old adadge of, "if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is", rings true on these things. To think you can just buy an EFT because it's a double short because you think it's easy money in a bear market makes no sense.

    At the end of the day it all depends on being a share that is bought and sold, by the time you buy it everyone who's smart is selling it. You need to be counter cyclical in these plays. If we could all just buy an ultra short EFT when the market was going down we would all be rich and retired!
    Jan 23 10:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    I find the ultras useful for playing specific moves and capturing movement. The literature on these things is pretty clear about absolute divergence from the underlying over time periods that encompass multiple swings.
    Jan 24 01:44 AM | Link | Reply
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    Last October I bought 3 double inverse, index ETFs (QID, SDS, SKK) with a small portion of my portfolio (the rest was in cash,) splitting my investment equally between them. I was convinced the market was going down big time. I bought without doing much of any due diligence and just assumed that I could hold them for the short to medium term and do really well if my instincts were correct.

    I sold them in January, just under 3mo later, when they were way down and I couldn't stand it any longer, even though the plan was to keep them until the market really tanked later in the year.

    Afterwords, I thought I would check out how well they had tracked their indexes. The Nasdaq 100 was down less than 1% so I should have been up about 2%. Instead I was down over 18%. The Russell 2000 was down 2.4% so I should have been up about 5%. Instead I was down 33%. And the S&P 500 was up 3.6%, so I should have been down about 7%. Instead I was down 33% again.

    My total loss was about 28% of my investment: about $8600.

    I have barely a decent size retirement, which I will be ok with, but only if I stop blowing money like this.

    I suspect there are many others out there who have, are right now, or who will be, burned by these "investments." I speak from a prejudiced point of view, obviously, but I think it is unconscionable for these instruments to be sold without making it obvious to the buyers what they really are. Based on what I am reading, this is not what the companies that are pushing these products are doing.

    But then again, maybe I shouldn't expect that at all. After the scummy revelations we have all seen of what the financial industry really seems to be, perhaps I am just naive and need to grow up.

    Well, I just got a nice bee sting and I hope I have learned my lesson. But ya know, investing is risky, and its bad enough as it is without having to worry about getting ripped off by some scumbag's greedy financial engineering wet dream. But on the other hand, there are a lot of folks who have been stung far worse than I have, so I'll quit whining.

    Tomorrow is another day.
    Jan 24 05:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    I see I made errors above for not seeing that double inverse of -1% is +1% and not +2.

    I got it.
    Jan 24 05:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    You are much better shorting the 2x long ETF (DDM, etc.) rather than using the 2x short (DXD) if you are wanting to hold for any length of time. Same with the 3x ETFs (Direxion), etc.
    Jan 24 09:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    What has not been mentioned yet here is how the Ultras and UltraShorts are built differently. The Ultra ETFs are long their respective underlying index, and are fairly accurate in doing so. The UltraShorts do not directly short the underlying index via equity shorts but by options and swaps which are held as short-term contracts which decay over time, then must be renewed via new contracts...repeat. Thus, they are POOR tools and must be used carefully via the short-term only.
    Jan 24 09:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    I've followed Direxionfunds eight, triple X ETFs. Four are triple long, four triple short the same things (energy, small caps, large caps, and financials). They are all down since inception, long and short alike, average 33%. Something very wrong there.


    On Jan 23 03:48 PM Jeff332 wrote:

    > They're trading vehicles and you'll see that they perform pretty
    > well over short periods of time. Longer term, all bets are off.
    > If you want leverage and are going to hold for a long time, then
    > go with options.
    Jan 24 09:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    Is it just me, or does it seem like it is very easy money to just short the other trade? So if you wanted to go double long, just short the double short. You would gain the benefits of any upside, plus all of the slippage would actually work in your favor. Such that even in a flat, or even slightly against your trade market, you'd be coming out ahead, and in a market that goes with you, you more than double the returns.

    Of course, there's probably some really simple reason why this can't be done (because otherwise it seems like the most obvious trade one could make). Does anyone know the feasibility of this, or any flaws in the reasonings given above?
    Jan 24 09:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    All of this is clearly warned in the ETFs prospectus. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Don't blame anyone else for your own stupidity. I am disappointed that this article makes it to seeking alpha. It reflects poorly to the other authors of the site. Especially for something so blatantly obvious.
    Jan 24 10:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    In a non-trending market with a lot of ups and downs, both the long and short Ultra funds will not return 2x the result of the underlying. This is a simple mathematical result and not some voodoo; the result of these funds resetting their relationship with the underlying every day. These funds are best used as trading vehicles for swing trading; zig-zag direction will affect their results.
    Jan 24 10:28 AM | Link | Reply
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    The Morningstar article you reference is outstanding! Thank you for the info.

    The key to these Ultra ETFs is DAILY performance. Would it therefore seem that they all eventually go to single digits? (e.g. DXO, UYG....)
    Jan 24 10:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    I suspect that the intrinsic weaknesses of the Ultrashort ETFs and ETNs can provide oversized gains as well as losses over the medium to long term. For instance, you could have bought SKFs (Proshares Ultrashort Financials) in the 70s and 80s in Aug-Oct 2007, and if you had had a sell order in at 204 on Oct 10, 2008, you would have cleared about 170% profit, and it would have been long term capital gains as well.

    If an ultrashort ETF is truly operating on a daily basis, whenever there is a gap down from one day's closing to the next day's opening, you are "robbed" because you "miss" the overnight drop. Gapping is much more likely in high volatility markets. But remember, the opposite can also occur, especially in a falling but tranquil market: The next day's opening can be higher than the previous day's close, so that you "double up" on that part of the previous day's drop that is retraced before the tumble continues.

    If the ETF does not increase the shares available as demand increases, then there is a premium included in the price, which is caused by demand in excess of supply. And vice-versa for a discount to price.

    I still love the ultra ETFs and ETNs, because, unlike options, there is no premium paid for time (rather, some of them actually pay a dividend), and if you hold for over a year you get LTCG rather than STCG tax treatment. It's very important to know the underlying structure of the ETF. For example, for DIG it is simply oil and gas and drilling and refining companies (go to marketwatch.com, search for DIG, then hit profile and you see the exact list), so DIG is going to track its index very well.. For DXO and DAG, it is all futures contracts, where contango and backwardation have huge influences. These ETFs are about as alike as apples and cats.
    Jan 24 11:15 AM | Link | Reply
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    Maybe I was merely lucky, but like genesok mentioned above, SDS saved my ass last year. I made 3 round trips in it, with holding periods of between 2 and 6 months, using to hedge my portfolio.
    Jan 24 12:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    what you describe is not a risk, it's basic algebra (kind of like if you keep walking half way across the room you never get to the other side). If you missed the very basic nature of magnifying daily percentage returns, you shouldn't be investing other people's money, or your own for that matter. the real risk of these instruments is counterparty risk as well as SEC no shorting risk. because of the set up of the funds, someone is providing the total return swap that is generating the double daily return. put simply, like any leveraged vehicle, these funds work quite well as leveraged trading vehicles in trending mkts but horribly in backing and filling or choppy mkts. the anti-leverage fund rhetoric is hitting a fever pitch which leads me to believe the market is about to trend in one direction or another
    Jan 24 02:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have been trading ProShares for the past year now with limited success.

    1) First, I agree that because of the reasons widely cited, we cannot trust the leveraged SHORT ETFs beyond a short time frame. However, how well can we count on Proshares double long ETFs (such as UYG and URE) to track their indices? The general agreement seems to be that they track them well.

    2) Now, if ultralongs such as the Proshares UYG, URE and DIG track their underlying indices better over the longer term, as well, as implied over the SHORT term as it is also generally agreed, wouldn't it be smarter to short the Ultralongs instead? Why should this be done, or why should it not be done?

    3) The market is trending downwards, although we are in a bear market rally, so can we trust these leveraged LONG funds (1X 2X 3X) to provide the same accurate tracking when the market is finally turned around and heading UPWARD? Or will the same market forces (or agents) that keep these SHORT funds from tracking their indices well lately prevent them from tracking well--and thereby keep them from performing well for investors--when the market is trending upwards? There seems to be a built-in handicap that is directional that will always work against the investor.

    4) Also, is anyone tracking the Direxxion 3X ETFs for their performance. I suspect the Direxxion 3X Ultrashort funds (FAZ, ERY) are performing like the much-criticized SKF and SRS, and delivering poor returns beyond a very short time frame. But what about the 3x longs such as FAS and ERZ? Possible to short them instead of purchasing shares of FAZ and ERY?
    Jan 24 03:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    The key to these ETFs as with any hedging strategy ---it is to REBALANCE---

    They are not buy and hold unless of course you adjust your position on a regular basis. I use the SH (Short S&P 500) more than the double, I like the fact that you can get short and not use margin. It truly did a great job in my 401k....
    Jan 24 03:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Don't want to seem 'snarky' but if you truly are unsure if adverse results are due to the structure of the vehicle and your use of the vehicle or due to the machinations of the custodians, you oughtn't be in them.
    Jan 24 04:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    really? I thought an article titled distressing details of the ultrashorts would reveal that bernard madoff and hank paulson were using the TARP funds to secretly short the DJIA.
    Jan 24 04:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    Can you actually short ETF's? Whenever I try, I get a message from my broker: "Those shares are hard to borrow. So, you can only borrow them in really large amounts. " My broker thinks I'm an idiot.
    Jan 24 05:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    I own SDS (UltraShort S&P 500 ). The performance of SDS vs S&P 500 was
    * 1 month +8% vs -2.9%
    * 3 months -19% vs 0%
    * 6 months +42% vs -30%
    * 1 year +51% vs. -38%

    3 months SDS performance was terrible.

    1, 6, and 12 months performances were good but nowhere near double-reverse of S&P500

    Long-term investing is futile in the present environment. Everybody from the Treasury, the FED and financial institutions are against retail investors. The entire financial system is very corrupt and terribly dishonest.

    Unless, Obama administration and the Congress cleanup the entire system, it will collapse together with US economy.

    Since I do not expect much, if any, from our corrupt and incompetent politicians. Consequently, the present reserve-currency system will go down crushing. I see gold as only one of few alternatives.
    Jan 24 09:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Agreed these EFT's are only for the short term and in fact should only be held for a short term during the day. If you look at most of the ultra shorts they make their money at the open on most days then start to retreat during the day. I say if you are going to buy these you almost have to day trade them and do not recommend holding them for any period of time as the prices move faster than a blink of an eye.
    Jan 25 09:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    No, it does not have leverage


    On Jan 23 03:59 PM Clare123456 wrote:

    > Please comment on USO performance long term.Does it suffer from the
    > same malais?
    Jan 25 10:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    There's something fishy here. I recently saw both USO and DUG rise simultaneously!
    Jan 25 10:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    I can only say that DGP works. BUT if the trend of ANY of these is against you- its terrible! SRS and DUG were disasters for me even with the trend.


    On Jan 23 04:27 PM 69fasty wrote:

    > What about Ultra Long ETFs? Are they also questionable over long
    > periods of time?
    Jan 25 10:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    Slippage is not the real problem. When you are going for double returns, a few cents here and there are not a serious threat. The problem is manipulation. When an ultra short takes a hammering on a day when the index is falling, you are done for. The stock will never recuperate . All it takes is a well-timed raid by well-heeled players lasting no more than an hour or two. My conclusion is that if you want to play with fire, you shouldn't be surprised if you get burned.
    Jan 25 11:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    There are anyway some of them delivering what they promise in their name even in the long term.

    Starting from the beginning of 2008 and accounting also for the distributions, as of today SDS has delivered a gain of 79.1% against a SPY loss of 41.3% (SH +48.4% in the same period). Quite consistent!

    Even TBT, in the same period, has lost 36% of its value against a TLT gain of 17.2%.

    Maybe it's really the volatility to blame for the abysmal performance of the other DoubleShorts, but we can't say we had no volatility in the broad equity market. Actually we saw an all time record there this last year.

    Could we say that's just depending on the managers' skill?
    Jan 25 11:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    It's good to see others who are having a positive experience with leveraged ETFs. I'm up 18.5% in the last 2 weeks using triples. There were only 9 trading days due to MLKing holiday, so that's more than 2% per day. I'm trying to very cautiously build that to a 5% daily average, without using any margin.


    On Jan 23 08:18 PM genesok wrote:

    > I believe anyone doing the least bit of investigation into the leveraged
    > etfs would understand the advantages and disadvantages of using them.
    > Your headline "Distressing Details of the UltraShorts" seems to me
    > to be inflamitory and disparging of a very useful product. There
    > was nothing distressing for me using these products the last year
    > (they saved my ass), along with regular equities, giving me an annual
    > return ofover 50% for 2008. There has been numerous articles on this
    > site explaning how they work and anyone using them should have not
    > only read, but thought about the information on how the calculations
    > are make. All readilly available at the fund's sites!
    Jan 25 07:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    If one expects little volatility this year, a neat play would be to short the UltraShorts. SDS must necessarily lose money in such a scenario.
    Jan 25 07:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    Leveraged and Leveraged Inverse ETFs have brought something new to the Day Trading World. The ability to make money every single day. If you strictly day trade them, they are the perfect vehicles. They make big swings every day, and since they pair up as mirror opposites of each other you always have one that's going up. Day traders have never had this before...it's miraculous. I've traded them since March 2008, and with the advent of triples...it's just getting better and better.
    Jan 25 07:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    track the ultrashorts:
    www.synergeticstocks.c...

    then go long using the bullish tech scans:
    www.synergeticstocks.c...
    Jan 25 09:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    One great use for them that no one has mentioned to this point here is as part of a covered calls strategy- buy ones you're short term bullish on (I'm talking 1-3 months) and sell ATM or one OTM calls- the sky-high implied volatilities give you great contract revenue. I've had several called out from under me for 20% gains in < 1 month, and the losers had the downside risk mitigated to a point where they became winners only one to two months later.
    Jan 25 09:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    Nothing fishy there at all. Know the products. DUG is -2x of the oil & gas EQUITIES. USO is based on the price of a barrell of oil. It is common that oil can be up, but oil & gas stocks down on any given day. It would be fishy is IYE was up and DUG was up. Learn the products.

    This article sheds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING new on a topic that has been beaten to death. Most people don't understand these products. I've seen 2 or 3 really SOLID ideas laid out here, but no one wants to think beyond the obvious.


    On Jan 25 10:54 AM wadaman7 wrote:

    > There's something fishy here. I recently saw both USO and DUG rise
    > simultaneously!
    Jan 25 11:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thanks for addressing this issue. It is helpful to those who are new to leveraged ETFs, and are researching their options.

    In the vein of 'distress', may I suggest doing an article that addresses the K-1 nightmares. That will also be a good topic for the people who may not know what to look for in a prospectus/SAI, such as the 'limited partnership', PTP and so forth. The real issue with K-1 producing ETFs is that even if you lose money in a transaction, you may still be slapped with a phantom income, for which you owe taxes. That does not make sense at all. So, I am taking the approach to avoid all funds that produce K-1 at the tax time. Any thoughts?
    Jan 26 08:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good, that was what I was wondering. I have DIG for about 2 months, and don't see the concern of holding it. It works different than DUG yes?


    On Jan 24 09:35 AM DaveW wrote:

    > What has not been mentioned yet here is how the Ultras and UltraShorts
    > are built differently. The Ultra ETFs are long their respective
    > underlying index, and are fairly accurate in doing so. The UltraShorts
    > do not directly short the underlying index via equity shorts but
    > by options and swaps which are held as short-term contracts which
    > decay over time, then must be renewed via new contracts...repeat.
    > Thus, they are POOR tools and must be used carefully via the short-term
    > only.
    Jan 26 12:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    Anyone planning to hold TBT, PST, etc to short Treasuries should read and understand the article mentioned above (“Warning: Leveraged and Inverse ETFs Kill Portfolios”), especially regarding daily vs annual compounding... It changed my mind.

    news.morningstar.com/a...



    On Jan 23 05:48 PM marketman54 wrote:

    > I am holding TBT for a long position though. TBT is almost a sure
    > bet against the 20 year Treasuries!! When money flows out of treasuries
    > and back into bonds or the market, interest rates will surely rise.
    > If we are lucky enough to get some major inflation with all the trillions
    > being printed - the big lotto jackpot could be at the end of the
    > TBT rainbow!!
    Jan 29 12:58 AM | Link | Reply