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One of the cool things about being Treasury Secretary is that you get your signature on dollar bills, giving them authority, defending their honor. Timothy Geithner's plan to save the struggling banking system probably does the opposite, throwing good money after bad to a banking system struggling under the weight of its own mistakes. The markets don't like it. The Dow dropped 382 points Tuesday while bonds rallied as a port in a continuing storm.'
Mr. Geithner announced a three-point plan to "clean up and strengthen the nation's banks," and made a vague declaration to use "the full resources of the government to help bring down mortgage payments and to help reduce mortgage interest rates." Unfortunately, those are conflicting plans. Hence the markets' skepticism.
The Treasury secretary seems stuck on keeping the banks we have in place. But we don't need zombie banks overstuffed with nonperforming loans -- ask the Japanese.
Mr. Geithner wants to "stress test" banks to see which are worth saving. The market already has. Despite over a trillion in assets, Citigroup is worth a meager $18 billion, Bank of America only $28 billion. The market has already figured out that the banks and their accountants haven't fessed up to bad loans and that their shareholders are toast.
Second, Mr. Geithner wants to use up to $1 trillion to back new car loans, home loans and student loans. That's noble, but incredibly market distorting. Who gets these loans? Will banks be forced to loan to those with bad credit? Who sets loan rates? Doesn't this just set up another credit squeeze when government guarantees are lifted?
What we need are healthy banks with clean balance sheets and enlightened risk assessment to provide consumer and business loans that will generate returns to shareholders. And to this end, Mr. Geithner wants to create a public-private partnership to buy toxic securities off bank balance sheets. This is a truly worthy goal, but I don't think his plan for doing so will work. Banks are more than able to sell these toxic loans today. They just don't like the price.
The first iteration of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) last year was to buy these bad loans and derivatives. It didn't work. Nothing was bought when it became clear that paying face value was a taxpayer giveaway to banks, but paying market prices for this stuff would cause huge equity write-downs, wiping out banks which would be left with negative equity and effective insolvency.
The next round of TARP injected money onto bank balance sheets first, boosting their equity so they could absorb the write-downs to come when the toxic junk was bought later. It didn't work. The $45 billion to Citi and Bank of America wasn't nearly enough. Instead, $306 billion and $118 billion loan guarantees were extended to cover the bad debt, which unfortunately, the market believes still weighs down banks' balance sheets.
Now with TARP 2.0, renamed a friendly Financial Stability Plan, the idea is to entice private capital to buy these bad loans and derivatives in an effort to set the "market price." But Mr. Geithner hasn't solved the dilemma of banks not wanting to sell and become insolvent. Moreover, no one is going to buy these securities ahead of Mr. Geithner's action with the "full resources of the government" to bring down mortgage payments and reduce mortgage interest rates. Lower mortgage payments means mortgage-backed securities would be worth even less. Six months to a year from now, big banks may still be weak and the ugly "n" word of nationalization will be back.
Mr. Geithner should instead use his "stress test" and nationalize the dead banks via the FDIC -- but only for a day or so.
First, strip out all the toxic assets and put them into a holding tank inside the Treasury. Then inject $300 billion in fresh equity for both Citi and Bank of America. Create 10 billion new shares of each of the companies to replace the old ones. The book value of each share could be $30. Very quickly, a new board of directors should be created and a new management team hired. Here's the tricky part: Who owns the shares? Politics will kill a nationalized bank. So spin them out immediately.
Some $6 trillion in income taxes were paid by individuals in 2006, 2007 and 2008. On a pro-forma basis, send out those 10 billion shares of each bank to taxpayers. They paid for the recapitalization.
Each taxpayer would get about $100 worth of stock for each $1,000 of taxes paid. Of course, each taxpayer has the ability to sell these shares on the open market, maybe at $40, maybe $20, maybe $80. It depends on management, their vision, how much additional capital they are willing to raise, the dividend they declare, etc. Meanwhile, the toxic assets sitting inside the Treasury will have residual value and the proceeds from their eventual sale, I believe, will more than offset the capital injected. That would benefit all citizens, not the managements and shareholders who blew up the banking system in the first place.
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I believe it would do wonders to focus current management at all companies if we kicked out every one of these incompetent, self-serving bastards in top management at these banks, and ditto for the boards. They are all a joke if you ask me, and should join the ranks of the unemployed with a big fat ZERO for severance pay. That is what they do to lower level employees - let these creeps see how it feels.
There is not one banking, IB or brokerage exec in America that is not 100% expendable.
If we cherry pick these two, then what? Why is this a wise idea?
This may have to happen anyway because a US creditor strike is slowly underway (foreign central bank purchases of the most recent issues were at 38%; a year ago they were almost 60%; foreigners are slowly edging away from the US debt load, not quickly enough to cause a stampede, but just enough to send a frightening message).
Geithner's hands are tied unless the US wants to force the other shoe to drop—the other shoe being the US$ value. He has to slowly unwind at the expense of employment. If he had the courage to nationalize the banks and force massive creditor, equity and bond holder losses, then he'd have courage. His problem? Foreign governments own significant chunks of those bonds and equity and have signalled they will sell US dollars if they are not treated preferentially. At this point, foreigners see little difference between US foreign and US sovereign debt. Just like Iceland.
We're in a burst right now.
Why?
Too much leverage in CDS (Credit Default Swaps).
Credit Default Swaps became exempt from regulation with the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which was also responsible for the Enron loophole.
Who exempted CDS from Regulation?
Republicans.
U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) introduced the Act on behalf of financial industry lobbyists. The Modernization Act was rushed through Congress as a companion bill to the omnibus spending bill, the last day before the Christmas holiday.
Salute!!!!
"Mr. Geithner wants to "stress test" banks to see which are worth saving. "
and...
"Citigroup is worth a meager $18 billion, Bank of America only $28 billion."
Here's a "stress test" Don't bail them out and see who fails and who can make it! These banks are insolvent! Period! It is just that no one can say the words! Oh, we hear things like "to big to fail" ad nausea and the pumping of multi-billions of dollars to shore them up, all against the public's wishes and the true laws of economics.
payment: $2838.95
total of payments: 1,022,020
total interest: 522,000
If you took out the same loan for a 3.5% interest rate, you would have the following expenses:
payment: 2,245.22
total of payments 808,280
total interest 308,280
You have lowered the final cost to you by over $200,000. Houses would move off the market much more quickly under this circumstance. They would also not have to be devalued. This would have a similar effect to lowering the price of the house by $100,000.
Loans like this could be offered to buyers to help move some of the excess in the housing market off of the books. Loans like this could be offered to people with mortgages with ARM teaser rates, who simply cannot afford the higher rates.
I am unsure of the exact rate that needs to be put in place. This idea does have good points to it though.
www.itulip.com/forums/...
The upshot.....Geithner bought a 1.085 million dollar home in 2002......
then promptly took out 1 million dollars in home equity loans.
THEN.....he sold that home just 2 years later for 1.45 million and bought ANOTHER million dollar home only to take ANOTHER home equity line of 400,000 thousand dollars.
And all his other homes had ARMS that had the potential to increase to 11.25% before he sold them.
My God, we are so COSMICALLY and METAPHYSICALLY SCREWED!!!
On Feb 12 04:57 PM levin70 wrote:
> Mr. Kessler
>
> These suggestions have been going around for a while now. Nothing
> new. Here's a suggestion, stop blogging and start acting. Don't like
> the treasury plan, then do something about it. Raise money and take
> over a bank. Run it the right way and show everyone how its done
>
>
> Regards
Who's the crazy one here?
On Feb 12 08:28 PM David White wrote:
> Bill Gross suggested that a 3.5% mortgage rate might be necessary
> to get us out of the current mess we are in. I don't see why a government
> guaranteed low interest loan program could not be instituted at least
> for all new purchases. This would effectively decrease the cost to
> the buyer. For example, you could take out a $500,000 mortgage on
> a $650,000 home at 5.5% for 30 years or thereabouts today.
> payment: $2838.95
> total of payments: 1,022,020
> total interest: 522,000
>
> If you took out the same loan for a 3.5% interest rate, you would
> have the following expenses:
> payment: 2,245.22
> total of payments 808,280
> total interest 308,280
>
> You have lowered the final cost to you by over $200,000. Houses would
> move off the market much more quickly under this circumstance. They
> would also not have to be devalued. This would have a similar effect
> to lowering the price of the house by $100,000.
> Loans like this could be offered to buyers to help move some of the
> excess in the housing market off of the books. Loans like this could
> be offered to people with mortgages with ARM teaser rates, who simply
> cannot afford the higher rates.
>
> I am unsure of the exact rate that needs to be put in place. This
> idea does have good points to it though.
> jack
On Feb 13 04:39 AM Robert D wrote:
> This would only distort the market by subsidizing and encouraging
> people to buy at above market prices. If house prices continued
> to slide becuase the true demand was 20% lower, we would create another
> huge problem. this only works to protect overshooting on the downside.
> I do not want politicians deciding what the right price level is
> with my taxes.
David, How about the idea of letting the markets set interest rates instead of the Fed? More of the same is NOT the answer!
On Feb 12 08:28 PM David White wrote:
> Bill Gross suggested that a 3.5% mortgage rate might be necessary
> to get us out of the current mess we are in. I don't see why a government
> guaranteed low interest loan program could not be instituted at least
> for all new purchases. This would effectively decrease the cost to
> the buyer. For example, you could take out a $500,000 mortgage on
> a $650,000 home at 5.5% for 30 years or thereabouts today.
> payment: $2838.95
> total of payments: 1,022,020
> total interest: 522,000
>
> If you took out the same loan for a 3.5% interest rate, you would
> have the following expenses:
> payment: 2,245.22
> total of payments 808,280
> total interest 308,280
>
> You have lowered the final cost to you by over $200,000. Houses would
> move off the market much more quickly under this circumstance. They
> would also not have to be devalued. This would have a similar effect
> to lowering the price of the house by $100,000.
> Loans like this could be offered to buyers to help move some of the
> excess in the housing market off of the books. Loans like this could
> be offered to people with mortgages with ARM teaser rates, who simply
> cannot afford the higher rates.
>
> I am unsure of the exact rate that needs to be put in place. This
> idea does have good points to it though.
tinyurl.com/4qfyov
On Feb 18 03:10 PM philais wrote:
> It is the abnormally low interest rates that made for the current
> melt down!
>
> David, How about the idea of letting the markets set interest rates
> instead of the Fed? More of the same is NOT the answer!