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Gold has skyrocketed and oil has dropped like a rock in the last few months, in case you were in a closet.
Here's why I am long oil (USO) and am getting longer on dips:
- Oil has come down about almost 80% from its high. (I understand that there was overbuying because JP Morgan (JPM) was highly leveraged and was technically manipulating the market, but it worked for a reason.)
- Oil is a commodity just like Gold and Silver, making it an international currency.
- The Federal Reserve Bank is leveraged 75:1.
- The U.S. government is 53 trillion in debt, according to our former comptroller.
- The US GDP ranks 177 out of 181 countries.
- The US government currently spends all of the $4 trillion it makes annually and more, making the $53 trillion unlikely to get paid anytime soon.
- The US used to be the reserve currency of the world. Right now there isn't one. People are confused as to where they can put their money, and the US is currently being used because the next best thing hasn't been figured out yet. It certainly won't be the euro or the pound. They are both in similar positions.
- Oil is an international currency which will hedge against the dollar, in the case of the dollar devaluation the US government is currently setting up.
- Oil is consumed, whereas every ounce of gold ever mined is still on earth (unless it was forcibly changed into something else, which is unlikely).
- Even if the demand for oil doesn't come back it is not feasible to extract it using more expensive methods at these prices, which means that production will be decreasing more and more as it gets cheaper.
- The general consensus is that it's too cheap right now. How do we know this? Instead of selling oil to the general market, the new trend is to rent tankers and store it. It is relatively cheap to rent a tanker compared to how much can be made by holding it until it is at more reasonable levels.
- The only real threat to oil is a renewable energy source that will replace it or a cleaner burning method. This is highly possible, but the widespread application of it will not happen anytime soon. Even in the case of a replacement found for cars, it is used for many more things other than gasoline. It is used for plastics and other similar consumer products. It is hard to find something now that doesn't have some plastic in it.
Overall, oil could definitely go lower, to a certain point. But even if the market dies and the dow hits 0, this will negatively affect the dollar, which will then spike oil. But I am in it for the long haul, and am willing to wait it out. I was right about gold (GLD) and silver (SLV), and see oil as the next logical move because gold and silver are starting to get pricey. If I was going to invest in gold or silver it would be physically. I can't exactly store oil - otherwise I would.
There are those that would criticize this play on the basis that any commodity is eligible for this argument. Copper is an example. You might be right. So get any commodity you like. I like oil, for the reasons above.
Disclosure: Long USO.
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Apparently you haven't seen the 60 minutes interview on Oil. It was stated in the interview that JP Morgan was one of the largest holders of oil when it was at the astronomic price levels. This doesn't mean that it was necessarily JP Morgan the company, it could have been JP Morgan on the part of investors through JPM ETF holdings.
More info on the $53 Trillion - Just Google David Walker for even more info, he's been on just about every news channel talking about this...... www.cnn.com/2007/US/03...
BC818: Other Oil ETF's are fine, but USO, USL and OIL are the actual commodity and OIH is the equity. I have some BP too for equity stake (Jim Cramer really likes BP...and I use their gas...or my gas since I'm an equity holder :) ).
Refinery output is relatively fixed both in terms of capacity and product mix. With less consumption of gasoline, for example, one must still produce it in order to satisfy needs for distilite (#2 fuel oil, jet fuel whose comsumption is less vulnerable)
Also: come for the dividends, stay for the capital gains!..
Bp 8%, evep 22%, cop 4% --and they're all paying them. Companies with proper hedges and diversified programs are making it just fine.
Bp recently said that it would cut exploration before the dividend--they're committed to real payback. Much more risk to the upside than downside, IMO. A believer in Peak Oil. Disclaimer: own BP and EVEP.
Seems like he's trying to convince himself he's right- if he were worth listening to he'd list 12 reasons why it could go lower as well.
USL has done better over the last month than USO, and I would recommend that also but either are good plays.
I am tempted to go long now, but can’t quite shake a nagging feeling. Nothing HAS to make demand go back up. But OPEC does HAVE to keep pumping regardless of the price. And as the price goes lower, they have to pump more to cover their costs and maintain political control.
So yes, over 10 years oil is almost a sure thing, for all the reasons suggested above. Over 0-3 years we could see much lower.
And still, I’m tempted.
I could use some good advice.
What is a pure play oil without contango?
Thanks,
G
On Feb 22 12:20 PM longoil wrote:
> Oil is a good investment for the next 40 to 50 years for the simple
> reason that there is no substitute(s) that can replace all of oil's
> thousands of current applications.
>
> NG powered, hybrid, PHEV and fully electric cars are feasible solutions
> but are currently deployed on a very small scale.
>
> Wind and solar power for generating electricty also has great potential,
> but accounts for less than 5% of the world's electric power.
>
> On the other hand, there are no substitutes for oil in the following
> applications:
>
> 1) Petrochemicals are used in thousands of goods like plastics, pesticides,
> medicines, etc. There is no substitute for the petrochemcial industry.
> Derivatves from coal and sugar can only be used in a handful of applications..
>
>
> 2) Lubrication is another key use of oil and no viable substitute
> exists.
>
> 3) Shipping is dominated by diesel powered vessels. The alternatives
> are sails, coal and nuclear. Each has its own major drawbacks. <br/>
>
> 4) Aircraft can only be powered by kerosine. Yes, Richard Branson
> promoted a trial flight with kerosine thinned with biofuels. This
> is more of a publicity stunt rather than a realistic solution. Biofuels
> on their own cannot be used in aviation.
I like Canroys (e.g. COSWF, ERF, PWE) & MLPs (e.g. SJT, HGT) the best. These are essentially small producers that payout generous dividends anywhere from 5 to 15%. In addition, when oil prices recover, the share prices increase and you get a nice capital gain as well.
The services companies like HAL, NOV, DO, NE, PDE, RIG, etc are all at yearly lows and have much potential when oil prices recover.
Of course, the major producers like COP, XOM and BP are good investments as well.
www.cia.gov/library/pu...
I watch and process what 60-minutes is telling me about the market like I follow Mad Money for stock tips.
When I see the bull I just think: "Oh, this pick is bull____" (and its not "ish" but coincidentally contains all of those letters)
I do agree with your "buy oil reference" but I dont like your all of your reasons.
Oil is the ultimate hedge in my eyes right now: weak us dollar, supply squeeze, global recovery.
Beyond the fact that some money managers are screwing their hapless customers by holding front-month contracts the market is telling you that it is not going up because there is not enough demand for oil.
Spreads are important.
The 4 Trillion Tax income numbers for the government come from the Bureau of Economic Analysis www.bea.gov/national/n... its the 1st result on Google for "US GDP" (Is everyone familiar with the Search engine Google?).
For the proponents of USL, USO has been outperforming it on a % basis now that the contango is shrinking.
The run to the US dollar is partially because of unwinding but also because, unlike your falsehood, it will always be the world's most liquid reserve currency. The Euro is also on the verge of total meltdown. Do some DD before making comments based on outdated (1 year old) data.
It appears that the USO is trading in a market controlled by commercial entities that is working to shake out the last of the bulls. I do wish you the best of luck on this trade but I believe that one should wait until the "canatango" conditions are over before wading into the crude oil market for a long-term bullish position, but then again I'm not into picking bottoms. You know the old saying, he who picks bottoms gets stinky fingers.