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This week, with his pronouncement that "credit is the lifeblood of a healthy economy," President Obama reiterated what has been one of his most common themes in diagnosing our economic problem. The president has relied on this bedrock belief to propose policies that place the restoration of credit as the highest priority. However, despite his seemingly earnest intentions, the president and his economic advisors have misdiagnosed the ailment. Savings, not credit, is the lifeblood of a healthy economy. When not used properly credit can be like a cancer that sickens an otherwise healthy economy.

What everyone seems to have forgotten at this point is that credit does not come from thin air. Even in a system in which bank reserves are leveraged many times, someone has to put savings in a bank for the bank to turn around and make a loan. As a result, the bedrock is the savings, which allows for the credit to flow. Credit extended without adequate savings inevitably leads an economy into disaster.

The primary mechanism that has injected credit where it does not belong is the massive credit card industry that has developed in the United States over the last generation. The ease with which these cards may be obtained and the degree to which Americans now rely on them for routine purchases has created a culture of credit that simply has no precedent in a healthy economy. Until this culture has been reformed, America's fight to restore economic vitality will be a lost cause.

However, this week a much discussed opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal by top banking analyst Meredith Whitney, indicated that many Americans besides the president are still looking toward credit as the means of economic salvation. In her piece, Ms. Whitney writes,

...Undeniably, consumers look at their unused credit balances as a "what if" reserve. "What if" my kid needs braces? "What if" my dog gets sick? "What if" I lose one of my jobs? This unused credit portion has grown to be relied on as a source of liquidity and a liquidity management tool for many U.S. consumers. If credit is taken away from what otherwise is an able borrower, that borrower's financial position weakens considerably. With two-thirds of the U.S. economy dependent upon consumer spending, we should tread carefully and act collectively.

In order to keep the economy functioning, Ms. Whitney asks the credit card providers and the federal government to keep credit lines open, so that millions of Americans can keep on spending. However, while such actions would certainly keep our phony economy propped up a while longer, it would further weaken the very foundation upon which a real economy will eventually have to be rebuilt.

Without a doubt, Americans, and all other people for that matter, benefit from having access to "rainy day money." But Americans should be saving for a rainy day, not adopting the attitude that if it rains I'll whip out my credit card. If Americans need to pay for a suddenly ill dog, to straighten their kid's teeth, or to pull them through a period of unemployment, they should save some of their present earnings.

But saving money requires a reduction in spending, and that is something that modern economists, within and without the Administration, cannot abide. A drop in spending will create a sharper contraction in our economy - which is now comprised of 70% consumer spending. But this is no reason to discourage the process. The option to go into debt in the event of an emergency is no substitute for building personal savings for such events. Not only does such a strategy jeopardize the solvency of individuals or families when they are at their most vulnerable, but it deprives society of badly needed savings.

Currently, with so many financially strapped Americans looking to draw on their credit lines, the fallacy of this 'savings substitute' is easily revealed. With lenders' capital depleted, and falling home prices, and rising unemployment putting borrowers at greater risk of default, credit is naturally harder to come by. Had only a small percentage of borrowers needed to access their credit card "rainy day funds" there would have been no credit crisis. But with a deluge drenching so many at once, there was simply not enough credit umbrellas to go around. Had Americans actually been saving money instead, everyone would have his own umbrella and would not now be looking to borrow someone else's.

Most importantly, as savers bank their earnings into "rainy day funds," in addition to earning interest, those savings are available to businesses to make capital investments, produce goods and services, and provide employment. Without access to those savings, such investments cannot be made, and society is worse off as a result.

Lastly, savings can always be relied upon whereas credit is ephemeral. Remarks this week from the Chinese premier Wen Jiabao should serve notice to all Americans that the day will soon come when the Chinese stop lending us their umbrellas. When that happens, the average American will be soaked to the bone.

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    The Chinese are divesting themselves of dollars as we speak. They'll be the largest owner of natural resource companies by the end of the next year or two. Can't say I can blame them. Washington could not be making it any clearer to the world that the US has no intention of paying back our loans with nothing more than monopoly money.
    Mar 14 02:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    ED K,

    I believe you've completely missed the point. Mr. Schiff's argument is that this line of reasoning is EXACTLY THE WRONG FOCUS required to solve this problem:

    "...while such actions would certainly keep our phony economy propped up a while longer, it would further weaken the very foundation upon which a real economy will eventually have to be rebuilt."

    Mr. Schiff's argument is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And right now, we need about a ton of cure.


    On Mar 14 03:20 PM ED K wrote:

    > A very timely and informative post.Ms. whitney's thoughts hit the
    > nail right on the head,especially the "RAINY DAY THEORY",great stuff!!!!!
    Mar 14 03:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Cancer is right.

    Now that Discover Financial is incorporated as a bank holding company so that it can receive TARP funds, the industry has metastasized to further undermined the stability of the US government. The US Treasury is paying credit card bills!
    Mar 14 04:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    I cannot disagree with one word in this piece. Almost as if I wrote it myself. I find it hard to understand why our illustrious leaders believe that the way out of this mess is drinking more of the poison that made us sick in the first place.
    Mar 14 04:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    I can't disagree with one word in this piece. Almost like I wrote it myself. I find it hard to understand why our illustrious leaders think that the cure for our present illness is drinking more of the poison that made us sick in the first place. Americans and Companies need to learn how to tighten their belts and live within their means.
    Mar 14 04:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Now that consumers have to reduce spending and borrowing, our dear government has decided it will borrow and spend for us. We won't see any benefit from it, but we, our kids and our grandkids will be left with the bill. Thanks Uncle Sam.
    Mar 14 05:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    The long forgotten concept of layaway is making a comeback. This harks back to the days of taking that savings passbook to the bank every week with a deposit, or adding to a postal savings account. Yes, that credit line can still be there for an emergency.
    Mar 14 05:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    Incredible that as the federal government is spending trillions in deficit it is also sending warships to the waters of our largest creditor, China.

    The Chinese PM's comments this week were meant to serve warning to our profligate spending, and for the U.S. to stay out of Chinese affairs.

    Debt is ultimately serfdom.
    Mar 14 06:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    Our culture is largely shaped by federal policies encouraging consumerism and relying on credit. Congressional policies, HUD, tax preferences for consumption and debt, all the way down to Federal Reserve monetary policies warp society and destroy conservative fiscal values.
    Mar 14 06:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Unquestionably, the long term health of the any economy is dependent on savings and its investment in productive capacity. However, an extreme contraction of credit may have very significant consequences for employment and savings. So, is there wisdom in a more gradual transition from where our current circumstance to where we might like to be in terms of savings and investment?
    Mar 14 07:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    The government doesn't have a choice but to pump us out of this mess.
    Allowing banks to fail in true capitalistic fashion would put America out of work.
    The real issue is that we have offshored employment to third world countries and imported their cheap goods to save money, using credit due to the lack of employment.
    A handful of elite businessmen have gotten rich.
    The country as a whole now has to introduce protectionism to put people back to work.
    Pricking the real estate bubble is common sense to me.
    While our wages become comparable to third world countries, there's no way we'll afford present day housing prices.
    The Chinese threaten to sell a trillion in T-Bills if we devalue our dollar, what they don't realize is that selling those T-Bills will help us devalue the dollar.
    Devaluing will put us back to work.
    The party's over, back to the old fashion way of making money - working for it.
    Mar 14 08:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Our government is taking from the ants to pay for the grasshoppers. If you have saved, your savings value is being rapidly eroded by the current government policies of supplying liquidity in humongous amounts. At the same time there is no return (interest) to be gained from your savings. If you saved rather than borrowed you have not been as wise as those who have lived the life of material excess. Butter before guns is the appropriate philosophy of life. It appears the current political administration is sympathetic to this view and is doing like Geo W and his cronies ... You know, striking while the iron is hot!
    Mar 14 09:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    consumer's going deeper in debt during a recession only inhibits recovery.


    Mar 14 09:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    A great article. My concern has always been that since the basic problem is that Americans have been spending more money than they have then how can we expect "demand" to go back to where it was. The answer is perfectly explained in this article. Without a continuation of unsupportable credit we can't do it. Smart businesses are already readjusting to the reality of decreased demand.


    On Mar 14 09:52 PM The hand wrote:

    > consumer's going deeper in debt during a recession only inhibits
    > recovery.
    >
    >
    Mar 14 11:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    It doesn't matter how clearly Premier Wen Jiabao expresses his sentiments. The plainer he speaks, the more his remarks are interpreted as bluff or some weird oriental inscrutability. Americans simply do not believe that China will stop buying American debt. It is no coincidence that the mantra "too big to fail" is being rammed so hard into popular consciousness.
    Mar 14 11:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    Peter, great article.

    Warm_Paw, the Chinese do realize this, of course. The fact that they are even posturing in this direction should tell you how dire the situation is.


    On Mar 14 08:54 PM Warm_Paw wrote:

    > The Chinese threaten to sell a trillion in T-Bills if we devalue
    > our dollar, what they don't realize is that selling those T-Bills
    > will help us devalue the dollar.
    Mar 14 11:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    This is a great article. Economists like to put forward the so-called Paradox of Thrift, as if when people save, they stop consuming completely. And there will be a gigantic depression as a result.
    Mar 15 12:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    There are other countries that own trillions of our debt. This does not paint a pretty picture, should the Chinese do nothing more than spend Treasuries for tangible goods,like, rail lines,roads,hospitals,... development,and buy into large Australian miners OR maybe a Brazil Oil Company(PBR), Siberian Natural Gas, etc etc..
    We are in a box without the insight nor will to build a way thru the wall or over the top. So,back to those others that also own Trillions,they will also have a dis-incentive. Apology for sounding like a commercial,but one of the best insights is from Chuck Butler of Everbank. His 'Daily Phenning' is pretty neat look at currencies.
    Mar 15 01:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Back to the Future in the Credit Derivative Time Machine" [View article]
    Without jobs, credit doesn't work. Without credit, America doesn't work.

    Now that that "Future" is here, we should put Micheal J. Fox in that DeLorean, and blast him back in time to kick some ass before it's too late!
    Mar 15 08:10 AM | Link | Reply
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    Quite simply, the quality of lifestyle of the average lower to upper middle class America is going to experience a steady decline over the next 5 years and there is almost no way to stop it from happening...its a very scary yet easily demonstrated reality...Besides this, other countries and their citizens all over the world are going to experience their own severe economic and societal problems too. However, to blame the U.S. is also a bit of a paradox...it is the world's largest superpower economy built on a mountain of debt, but let's not forget that the rest of the planet enjoyed the ride that came as a result of that strategy. Now the party is indeed over and life is going to change dramatically on this planet...
    Mar 15 08:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    So how do you make societal change improvements, such that we get pointed in the direction that this article suggests?

    It won't happen, even after China dumps its dollars.

    As long as people like Paul Krugman and "most other economists" flood the media with talk of spending our way out of this crisis, the brainwashing continues.

    To get on this savings track its going to have to hurt real bad.
    Mar 15 09:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good point. Jobs=paying bills. Apparently, greed is the achilles heel of capitalism.



    On Mar 14 08:54 PM Warm_Paw wrote:

    > The government doesn't have a choice but to pump us out of this mess.
    >
    > Allowing banks to fail in true capitalistic fashion would put America
    > out of work.
    > The real issue is that we have offshored employment to third world
    > countries and imported their cheap goods to save money, using credit
    > due to the lack of employment.
    > A handful of elite businessmen have gotten rich.
    > The country as a whole now has to introduce protectionism to put
    > people back to work.
    > Pricking the real estate bubble is common sense to me.
    > While our wages become comparable to third world countries, there's
    > no way we'll afford present day housing prices.
    > The Chinese threaten to sell a trillion in T-Bills if we devalue
    > our dollar, what they don't realize is that selling those T-Bills
    > will help us devalue the dollar.
    > Devaluing will put us back to work.
    > The party's over, back to the old fashion way of making money - working
    > for it.
    Mar 15 09:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    This well-written article and the comment below by Habitual Saver deserve to be printed together. Both tell a truth that we must ponder as we face the difficulties of recovery. I believe that savings and spending must be in balance, and that any policy that disrupts the value of common sense actions of our people will ultimately fail. We must build value in our Nation and our families. This may come from prudent investment and savings, cautious spending on what is needed, and keeping an open mind to look for opportunities to grow.

    We do not need the poison of debts that we cannot pay back, nor the reliance upon the magnanimous behavior of those whose interests do not include our well-being.


    On Mar 14 04:56 PM Habitual Saver wrote:

    > I can't disagree with one word in this piece. Almost like I wrote
    > it myself. I find it hard to understand why our illustrious leaders
    > think that the cure for our present illness is drinking more of the
    > poison that made us sick in the first place. Americans and Companies
    > need to learn how to tighten their belts and live within their means.
    Mar 15 09:44 AM | Link | Reply
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    AMEN!


    On Mar 14 11:06 PM WesAttaway wrote:

    > A great article. My concern has always been that since the basic
    > problem is that Americans have been spending more money than they
    > have then how can we expect "demand" to go back to where it was.
    > The answer is perfectly explained in this article. Without a continuation
    > of unsupportable credit we can't do it. Smart businesses are already
    > readjusting to the reality of decreased demand.
    Mar 15 09:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    The next step is for the Chinese to require the U.S. to issue our Treasuries denominated in CNY (instead of USD).
    Mar 15 09:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    mr schiff
    thanx again.
    i think you would approve my system of keeping savings in the form of gold and silver and working capital in fiat money. the fiat money is used to raise the level of savings in hard currency. i find safety deposit boxes the easiest, cheapest storage. if obahahahamahahaha decides to villianize the prudent who have saved this way to justify confiscation in the name of the good of the collective, i believe i will have warning as the setup begins since i am always wary of bloated govt. and the parasitic politicians. i pay attention to the lies of the day.
    Mar 15 10:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    Credit-real credit- is a form of savings in the sense that one has to work hard and bank trust in order to receive it. It can then be prudently used to start a business, expand one or buy a house.

    The abuse of credit by credit card companies is legendary. It has been sold to the gullible on the premise of a better life (at double digit interest rates) and only now has the realization sunk in that this may have been overdone. And now these companies want a bail-out?

    By all means keep credit flowing, but ensure the onus of responsibility equally rests on careful corporate decisions on whom to bestow it. Real credit is not a right, it must first be earned. Nor is it a lasso to be used to snare the innocent or unwary.

    Mar 15 11:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    whats the worry.we are printing our way as we go along.if you save you lose by todays yields.monopoly money is ok as long as everybody is in the game.do not go to jail seems the card for most of the crooks & the missing card is"too big to fail".so just roll the dice & you may end up investing in a crappy rr or a ancient utility.no you cant quit just because you are broke.
    Mar 15 11:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    The Alberts Government the only debt free province/state in North America announced last week that they will go back into debt.
    With Alberts havinga 'AAA+" credit rating they can borrow money at 1% intrest.
    This is while the Alberta Heritage Fund currently sitting on 16 billion cash can earn around 4% intrest.
    It just makes good economic sense to borrow if your own money makes you more invested elsewhere.
    About a year ago ( before the crash)i was offered 5% intrest on a 5 year locked in savings account.
    This small Credit Union guarantees 100% of all deposits backed by the Alberta Government.
    I deposited 50,000 into the account for 5 years.
    And turned around 2 months later and took a 15,000 loan
    at prime plus 1 % at the time.
    this worked out to 4.5 % intrest on the loan.
    Its just good economics to borrow if you in a position to implement it.
    And remember borrowing cash with cash as collateral is the best risk reward you can get.
    Mar 15 12:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    An thought provoking article! It's true, we do consider unused credit card balances as "Rainy day funds" - a life saver when the car breaks down and needs extensive repairs while we're on a trip. The problem (as in the housing crisis) is the proliferation of credit to folks who cannot repay. We received a dozen or more offers every week for years, and offers addressed to Samantha - our cat. If I'd filled in her application with a pawprint I suspect she would have got a card. The companies covered their losses by charging 26% or more on balances that would never be paid, but it all looked good on paper, so the CEO's enjoyed fat bonuses. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
    Mar 15 12:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Does anybody realize that millions of pissed-off people are loading up their credit cards only to default on them toward the end of this year. People will seek their own bailout. After all.....the government will pay for it all, right? This is the next big story....watch!!
    Mar 15 12:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    i don't get the idea that we have not been saving. almost every working person in our society has been getting payroll deductions, benefits and employer contributions to iras, 401s,403, etc. etc. since the early 80's. am i missing something in this article or are these not considered savings??? the problem lies in the rules that prohibit us from using these savings when we need to so we use credit cards. just what else are we supposed to do, go to the casino and hope??? taking away some of the hurdles to gain access to these funds would help. and another thing...people have to be able to work until dead or disabled. that's not such a bad thing. work is fun and satisfying. claw back the exessive bonuses and put them in the social security fund and then those guys can get their bonuses back when they turn 62. tax the pants off these skadillionaires until they bring their money home from switzerland, then back off.
    Mar 15 12:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Another great post Peter. I think the Chinese are playing a bigger role in all of this. Looks like they even gave us this bear rally. Notice how much copper they have been buying for stock piles. They'll knock that price down anytime they want to now.





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    Mar 15 01:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    It's funny, but each and every time I read one of these articles, paying workers higher wages is never mentioned. Savings is always emphasized.

    Well, without proper income, no one is going to save any money.

    Compared to what the upper classes are earning, the working/middle class incomes are a joke.

    Unfortunately, with the cost of living being what it is (and it's going to get a lot worse), sometimes the average American has to pull out and use his/her credit card just for the unseen emergencies that come their way.

    Mar 15 01:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    Big money pirate capitalists have American wages in a race to the bottom so we can "compete" with the third world. CEO and board room management pay and bonuses excepted, of course! So the burden of providing a decent life to average Americans has fallen to credit. And people will not save until they have secured what they believe are the necessities. And a consumer economy is built on devouring the earth, not a measured and reasonable use of resources. The tower of our arrogance and "superpower" is in rubble in every city in America tonight. Time to imagine a better way of life, and to begin building that -- for us ALL.
    Mar 15 02:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    It has really bothered me that the Obama policy is to get back to the credit based system that bought us trouble in the first place. I don't get it.

    Where I live there are no credit cards as such, only a Visa debit card, and I've grown to appreciate its low cost usefulness more as time goes on. I had a checking account overdraft (line of credit really) but it was costing too much in service fees, as was the checking account itself. I was once in the credit card trap while in the U.S. and it can get to be pretty horrible.

    However, to go back to a rational system where you spend as you earn would take a major revolution in the way people think - I think it will be forced on us rather than voluntary. There is always a small minority of survivalist and alternative life stylers, and maybe their (our) day is coming now.

    Maybe Obama's idea is to get us off this rocky road we are on and then try to go to a more rational way of living, but by then it will be too late.
    Mar 15 02:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    Ive been saying the same thing about the Chinese for a few weeks. That they would spend their useless dollars for real assets like real estate and resources, but I was called a racist.

    Thank you for supporting my position, I know you said it better.
    Mar 15 02:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thanks for this very important article Peter. Credit cards have transformed our economy much like easy mortgage money transformed our stable housing market.

    Before credit cards, we wrote checks. (Yes I am that old!) If you didn't have the money, you didn't make the purchase. But with the proliferation of credit cards, you didn't have to wait. You could have it now. When you received your credit card bill, you were informed that the minimum balance required was something very reasonable so you paid the minimum balance, often not realizing that you were paying 19 or 20% interest on your new "loan."

    Credit cards and second mortgages drawn for consumptive purposes are the two primary reasons that consumer indebtedness not counting primary mortgages, went up from 60% of net income in the 90's to 130% at the beginning of the current crisis.

    The consumer has retrenched to shore up his or her balance sheet. Making more credit available to the consumer now is counterproductive and dangerous. Income and savings are the key to resolving this crisis and that will take time.

    Mar 15 02:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    Cudo's to friar-tuck. there is no "shortage of savings" and that's the biggest lark out there (or should we merely call it a LIE) and the biggest reason why the Shiffster (and most of the rest of us for that matter) is blabbing on his blog sight instead of being "the billionaire Bill Gates" otherwise known as "the richest man in the world." Sure-the "Obama Adminstration is discovering the value of savings." Of course THAT DOES SEEM TO BE CONTRADICTED BY EVERY POLICY INITIATIVE HE'S PRONOUNCED. Oh, yeah. And now you know, "buying stocks is in the national interest." What's next, "without Ma and Pa Kettle's fruit-cake, you (insert picture of smiling 'American' in advertisement here) won't have a fruitful and productive day"???? Talking about "savings" is the same "sloganeering" as the Adminstration. No, the Shiffster is letting us down on this one because this is nothing more than smarmy happy talk and shows a profound ignorance of "government" and "its needs." In other words, by declaring a war on invesment--your puny savings are now fair game. Peter Shiff is presenting what's going on as a symphony and what's going on right now as apparently nothing more than the warm up. Clearly that is not the case. What this is is a CACOPHONY. In other words, NOISE. And it's going to get louder, and Louder and LOUDER.
    Mar 15 02:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thank you for an excellent perspective Peter.

    You were one of the first to point out the contradiction between the government encouraging consumer spending in a consumer debt crisis.

    The credit card companies are likely doing what is right. That is pulling back those who are hopelessly overextended already. For those who want to borrow money at huge rates of interest with fee structures that would make a loan shark blush... go for it!
    Mar 15 03:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    the credit card companies are shake-down artists.they send you info. that your rates are going higher on your card.if you don't like it, you then have your card acct. closed out by bank.you have to pay off balance,but can't use card anymore.there goes your FICO score(lower)everytime another card is closed by the wonderful credit card bank.THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SCR_WED UP THE WHOLE WORLD WITH THEIR MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES GAME.THE GAME MADE 10,000's SOUTH KOREAN's POOR WHEN THEY WERE CONNED BY MERRILL LYNCH BROKERS TO INVEST ALL THEY HAVE IN THESE SAFE BONDS.NOW AFTER AIG WAS "BAILED-OUT" THEY WANT TO GIVE THEIR CROOKS 450 MILLION IN BONUSES FOR DOING A GREAT JOB STEALING FROM HARD WORKING PEOPLE.CROOKS HIGH UP IN BANK POSITIONS ARE "TOTAL SC_M" !!!!!!!!!!!
    Mar 15 04:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    The article does everything right while mentioning the root cause and the focus to fix the issue. But then the real question is..Are we ready to fix the issue immediately as the economy is not is a position to take any shocks. Be it from lower spendings from common man or from governments. We understand that we are in a vicious circle and its more of a cost benefit analysis for short term & long term. I would not disagree with Peter to an extent, and would argue that most developed country is developed because it were leveraged and you enjoyed the uptide when things were in favor then why do u complain today about being leveraged and taking debt than savings.
    For me, the learning is that, though the leverage or borrowing is helpfull to have a multipler effects but that should not temp us to be too adventurous as this phase and should have limitations.
    So it is not that we need to take a U turn from spending to saving but having a right balance of the two.
    Mar 15 06:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    My dad took out a small loan in the mid-fifties to build the house I grew up in. He paid it off before he finished the house and it was the last loan he ever had. He saved money to buy what he wanted and waited until he could afford it to buy.

    I wish I had been as wise as he was. The bank I worked for was closed this year. It is said that we were a victim of the downturn in the economy, even the FDIC agrees. That certainly is true to a point but did we properly underwrite credit and capacity? Did the appraisals of the collateral realy support the loans? If we and everyone else had acted prudently would we be in this situation?

    I know that I spent more than I should have. I have borrowed for things I should have saved for. I did it and so did at least half of those who have posted here supporting the principles we know we should follow. We must change our ways but first we must admit that we are part of the problem, well at least most of us are...

    If we listen to the President and try to spend our way out of this with our credit cards and HELOCs we will soon find ourselves even lower than today.
    Mar 15 07:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mr Schiff has the basics right but during a crisis is not the time to change directions 180 degrees.

    People get that they need to save more and pay down debt but taking away their lines of credit while their jobs are also disappearning is a sure road to a despression rather than just a severe recession.

    Time is the missing ingredient to most suggested cures for our economic sickness and time is what it will take.

    Peter Schiff gets the basics but he keeps messing up on how to apply what he knows.
    Mar 15 08:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    The economic crises was here long before the housing debacle, banking fiasco and what not. We slipped into a situation of having to use the credit card to get through all kinds of personal crises. The credit card companies understood all along what was going on and come up with slippery interest rates, a myriad of charges and any other excuse to squeeze more money (provide inflated credit). They schemed their way into our money problems and had a banquet.

    Every credit card holder is not buying yachts and vacations. Many are just trying to keep food on the table since employment is so hard to get and has been hard to get for years. Now that same credit card holder will get a meager stimulus that will have to be used to pay back the credit cards. This should do wonders for our economy! Meanwhile, the slippery scheming goes on. I say rip up the cards; cancel the accounts; bury your money in the backyard( BofA quickly informed me that having over $40,000 in cash is considered hoarding which is illegal) So, chance it. Bring these schemers and the politicians out into the street and make them squirm till every orifice bleeds!!!
    Mar 15 08:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    bust
    never had the first credit card. always refused to borrow. never made monthly payments except on my first home which was paid off 18 yrs. early. credit cards looked like madness to me. i do use a debit card but that is a different animal.
    you give good advice but i would add to buy some gold and silver with some of that cash to protect value. eventually the piper will return for payment at the rate currencies are being diluted.
    Mar 15 10:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    yellowhoard wrote:
    > The Chinese are divesting themselves of dollars as we speak. They'll be the largest owner of natural resource companies by the end of the next year or two. Can't say I can blame them.

    Washington could not be making it any clearer to the world that the US has no intention of paying back our loans with nothing more than monopoly money.<

    Just today news:
    Iran, China sign $3.2 billion gas deal

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — State TV says Iran and China have signed a $3.2 billion gas deal to produce more than 10 tons of liquid natural gas.

    The deal was signed in Tehran between Iran LNG Company and a Chinese-led consortium, the report said.

    The Chinese company will build a line to liquefy gas in Phase 12 of the giant South Pars Gas Field in southern Iran. It didn't give further details.

    The United States is pushing for China and others to abide by United Nations sanctions aimed at pressuring Iran to rein in its nuclear program.

    Iran has trumpeted recent energy deals as a vindication against U.S. efforts to isolate Tehran.

    PS
    1. The USA are paying dearly for its indiscriminate support of Israeli international outlaw actions.

    2. As for Peter Schiff article, it is excellent. The longer America foolows the failed Bush & Obama & Congress policies, the more desperate situation America is getting in.

    Mar 15 10:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    Great article. Interesting how politicians of every stripe have become unable to grasp simple concepts!
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    The Chinese as well as All other Govt's of the World will always have their own best interests @ heart. It is a given. What is Shocking is that w/o a bullet fired China could easily topple the US, by sales in various bond related instruments. This is Really Sad. On the other hand, they still need US...
    Mar 16 06:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    I couldn't agree more with Schiff. Our government seems to be doing whatever they can to perpetuate this credit fallacy and the outcome I don't think will be good. The best thing we can is prepare for the coming inflation and shake off our personal debt and build savings. Get some gold, silver, and food. Anyone else notice how much people are turning to growing food at home?
    Mar 16 12:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    To Peter Schiff and his followers who have been singing praises to him in the comments section:

    Where do you suppose that savings comes from?

    Money is credit. Saving is credit. Your income is just money that someone else borrowed and spent. The total amount of credit/debt must, by definition, at least be equal to the total amount of savings and money in circulation.

    If all debt/credit was wiped away, all money would be wiped away as well. That means severe deflation until we are ultimately left with a barter economy. We couldn't all just "spend what we earn" because there wouldn't be anything at all for us to earn. Someone has to borrow the money from the banking system in the first place.

    Credit is the lifeblood of the economy because money is the lifeblood of the economy. Credit is money, and money is credit.

    You all need to wake up and realize that we don't have a commodity system of money anymore.
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    And yes, Peter, credit DOES come from thin air. Banks don't need deposits to make loans. They simply need to borrow reserves (which are printed "from thin air") from the Federal Reserve through the discount window. That's where all money is born. That's where people get reserves in the first place that they later deposit at the bank.

    It's frightening that you are a financial professional and have such a poor understanding of the money creation process.
    Mar 16 03:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Although I cannot disagree with the thrust of the argument, Mr. Schiff slightly overstates. Not all credit is bad. It is unwise to spend cash when credit is available and cheap. The float on my credit card is free (to me anyway) and that allows me to earn interest until the payment due date. Why forgo that float?

    The credit card companies do not do this to lose money. They make money on the fees they charge the vendors. The vendors do not pay these fees to lose money. They prefer a sale to a non-sale and know that a credit card payment presents a low-risk loan.

    Of course, not all credit card holders are creditworthy, and banks would do well to winnow the wheat from the chaff. That need not undermine the usefulness of responsible credit.

    Home equity loans and other collateral-based loans are also not worrisome, assuming the collateral is sufficient and the borrower is worthy.

    However, the massive borrowing by the US gov't is atrocious and frightening. It is foolish for the US gov't to forgo moderate borrowing when the rates are low and the capital is available. But there is nothing moderate about the Obama deficits.
    Mar 16 03:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    One could argue that this printed money essentially devalues existing currency. Hence, it is not cost-free.


    On Mar 16 03:09 PM timwalsh300 wrote:

    > And yes, Peter, credit DOES come from thin air. Banks don't need
    > deposits to make loans. They simply need to borrow reserves (which
    > are printed "from thin air") from the Federal Reserve through the
    > discount window. That's where all money is born. That's where people
    > get reserves in the first place that they later deposit at the bank.
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    >
    > It's frightening that you are a financial professional and have such
    > a poor understanding of the money creation process.
    Mar 16 03:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    There are those who regret this. I am not wise enough to know, but there is something to the argument that commodity based money preserves its value.


    On Mar 16 03:02 PM timwalsh300 wrote:
    > You all need to wake up and realize that we don't have a commodity
    > system of money anymore.
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    Unable or unwilling?

    On Mar 16 12:08 AM William Cowie wrote:
    > Great article. Interesting how politicians of every stripe have become
    > unable to grasp simple concepts!
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    milkchaser,

    It doesn't matter how one feels about our monetary system (fiat vs. commodity money, or how money is created). I'm just describing how it works. The fact is that money is credit. If all debts were repaid, we'd have no money. Everybody here is talking as if we still trade a finite number of gold coins. Everything that Peter Schiff talks about is based on false premises about the structure of our monetary system.
    Mar 16 06:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    The results at Capital One/COF suggest that Americans aren't splurging as much on credit as the doomsayers think.
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    I should amend what I said here... the practice of creating new reserves by lending through the discount window is mostly antiquated.

    More likely today, when a new loan is made (i.e. a new deposit is created) there will be upward pressure on the Fed Funds rate (as banks try to meet their reserve requirements to cover the new deposits), so the Fed will purchase Treasury notes from the public. The public will then deposit this money in banks. The banks will then lend/borrow it among each other and satisfy their reserve requirements.

    The only limit on the amount of credit that can be created by a bank is that bank's equity. And deposits have nothing to do with equity. A deposit is, in fact, a liability from the bank's perspective (reserves that they are borrowing). Banks only increase their equity by collecting interest and fees.

    In any case, Peter Schiff is still wrong... more so than he will ever understand. For him, this is what you might call an inconvenient truth. It's better for his business to scare you all with lies about our monetary system and get you to buy his products.

    On Mar 16 03:09 PM timwalsh300 wrote:

    > And yes, Peter, credit DOES come from thin air. Banks don't need
    > deposits to make loans. They simply need to borrow reserves (which
    > are printed "from thin air") from the Federal Reserve through the
    > discount window. That's where all money is born. That's where people
    > get reserves in the first place that they later deposit at the bank.
    >
    >
    > It's frightening that you are a financial professional and have such
    > a poor understanding of the money creation process.
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    Tim
    Credit is not money!
    Money is anything that people will exchange for work.
    It is the underlying assest that has value and is exchangable.
    Schiff is trying to say gold is money and you are trying to say credit is money.
    I will agree that the US dollar is credit, and that you can buy gold with US dollars, but that doesn't make either one of them money.
    I could buy gold on US dollar credit, then, insure it's value by paying more US dollar credit and then sell the package for Euro dollar credit. It still isn't money, even if I insure it and package it again!
    The problem now is that even the banks aren't accepting all credit as money and that causes a resession.
    Go ahead and tell the banks that credit is money but don't expect a loan on anything but solid assest the bank can hold. What companies want banks to do now is provide credit to insure credit that was financed by credit because people like you think that it is money. If you still think credit is money I have some default swap land I would like to sell you.
    Mar 18 11:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    You're right. China's dollar holdings will give it enormous leverage in foreign affairs in the future.


    On Mar 16 06:06 AM Kinja Rules wrote:

    > The Chinese as well as All other Govt's of the World will always
    > have their own best interests @ heart. It is a given. What is Shocking
    > is that w/o a bullet fired China could easily topple the US, by sales
    > in various bond related instruments. This is Really Sad. On the
    > other hand, they still need US...
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    Tim,

    tis true that our fiat currency is just another form of debt. That is govt debt. That is why china and others no longer demanding our currency because they lack faith in our govt's policies can dramatically reduce the purchasing power of the dollar. The problem with simply expanding our debt money (the dollar) to manipulate the economy is threefold. First it is debt. Us taxpayers will now be paying interest on a higher amount of national debt forever. Second because by law we are all basically forced to settle debts by using this debt money we no longer really have a free market in money. The Fed somehow can gain real assets just by printing it because of thier monopoly by law. So we are in many ways being enslaved by the Fed. We are also enslaved because (by law the dollar being the only real liquid currency) we are all pretty much forced to either spend our money or place it in institutions that use it to enrich themselves. You can't place dollars under your mattress because the inflation theft. So we are all paying serious commissions are our work everyday to the Fed and the financial institutions in one form or another. Look at different country ETF's. You will find that financial services industry makes up an enourmous size of economies all over the world. Before the recent slide US financial services sector made up over 20% of the S&P 500. This is repeated all over the world. Essentially this form of debt money you feel so comfortable with has enslaved us. Even those without any non-dollar debt pay dearly every year to the benefit of the banksters. A gold and silver backed currency would not require interest payments. Because Gold and Silver are becoming harder to mine everyday that currency would be less prone to inflation. Heck the trading currency might even become more valuable with time. No more need for Social Security.

    Basically everytime we expand our debt money the middle classes savings is wiped out and a new cycle begins. With each cycle we end up with less responsible people and more people living off of others. How many cycles it will take before all social order is lost I don't know but eventually anarchy will happen and another dark ages will begin. Unless of course we take Peter's advice above and go back to a savings based society and free up our currency options.
    Mar 20 02:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    The average American citizen has certainly abused credit; while the policies of previous/current administrations have supported our "live-it-up" lifestyles. Corporations have simply followed the lead set by our government's fiscal policies; although one might reasonably argue the banks, Fed, and government have collaborated along the way.

    Even in this economy, the average American citizen can leverage credit to get OUT of debt, so long as they are responsible and willing to suffer some minor inconveniences.

    The real cancer involved with debt is INTEREST (unless you're the bank). People do not understand how much money they are paying in the form of INTEREST For those with large amounts of debt, we should be shouting from the roof tops (yes, I understand many are no longer eligible for these offers due to poor credit) #1) Stick it to the banks and take advantage of 0% offers on balance transfers for 9-12 months...even if there is a 3-4% transfer fee, but pay these balances off before the low rate expires #2) Stop spending money like our government spends money, unless you have a printing press too #3) Stop spending more than you make #4) Stop making minimum payments on those balances. #5) Pay off your higher interest rate loans/credit cards first.

    If the average American citizen used credit like this, and adopted these spending patterns, then it would cure much of the cancer we're experiencing. It wouldn't immediately help the economy, but AT LEAST it would provide a solid foundation for re-building the economy. It's too bad that political motivation and corporate greed will stand in the way of this and keep pushing the people towards slavery (in the form of debt).

    I'm hopeful things can change, but debt is not the way out of debt. Mr. Schiff, I appreciate your voice in this regard.

    Mar 31 01:47 PM | Link | Reply