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By Kindred Winecoff
The benefits of migration are significant for both the sending and receiving countries, according to a new NBER paper (via Blattman, who has a link to an ungated version). From the abstract:
We find that immigration increases employment, with no evidence of crowding-out of natives, and that investment responds rapidly and vigorously. The inflow of immigrants does not seem to reduce capital intensity nor total factor productivity in the short-run or in the long run. These results imply that immigration increases the total GDP of the receiving country in the short-run one-for-one, without affecting average wages and average income per person.
How is this possible? Perhaps think of potential immigrants as unemployed-natives-in-waiting. Migration allows them to find and fill jobs that would not otherwise exist, thus boosting output without having adverse effects on native workers. In other words, think of migration functioning as in-sourced entrepreneurship. There is no output loss from the sending country because that labor was un- or under-employed anyway.
This effect is not limited to the U.S. or Europe -- the paper covers 14 receiving countries in the OECD, and 74 sending countries -- but perhaps it is limited to capital-rich, post-industrial countries that can benefit from an influx unskilled laborers. Still, if the result holds up this study to future study, it may have powerful implications for policymakers in developed and developing countries.
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On Apr 09 09:31 AM lostark98 wrote:
> I would like to propose that those who have made comments provide
> supporting data for their comments. I see no concrete information,
> just a lot of opinion. Perhaps the study being discussed is flawed,
> but I have not read any plausible counter-argument that is supported
> by facts. All I am getting from the comments is conjecture, opinion,
> and lots of hyperbole.
>
> I know this is a great forum to express opinions, but without some
> substance behind the rhetoric none of this advances the discussion
> of an important issue. It just provides more heat to inflame differing
> views.
On Apr 09 12:14 PM davesilb wrote:
> You don't need to give facts when God gave you a brain to look around
> and observe. Facts can be distorted any way you want. If you could
> not agree or see that what was spoken above to be mostly facts you
> are a little short on the brains department!!
After all, too often "social science" has nothing to do with science at all. It is just a propaganda in disguise.
As for our president, since our great country and its economy are so healthy and prosperous, he is thinking about sharing some our wealth and prosperity with uninvited guests. Why not? After all, they can illegally vote for him in a future as good many of them have done it in the past.
When you analyze the details, the cost of illegal immigration hurts all citizens:
1- Don't take jobs from Americans? Just look at how illegals took away the jobs in construction, food service, and hospitality (hotels).
2- Pay their taxes? With the Soc. Sec. # of a U.S. citizen causing them problems with IRS.
3- Give us cheaper farm produce? Without cheap labor, farmers would mechanize yielding higher paid American jobs to make and operate farm equipment.
4- Don't cost taxpayers? Healthcare in emergency rooms. free education for their kids, fill up our prisons with violent criminals, deaths and higher auto insurance costs crowding our freeways with illegal drivers without insurance.
And when the liberals give citizenship to illegals (and they will), and free Social Security and Medicare (no PR tax for those below the poverty line), and welfare, they will eventually have enough votes to require all of us to support them instyle for life.
Will Barrack Obama please show his birth certificate? A certification of live birth is not the same thing. The latter ca be sent in up to a year after birth. The former is made the moment the newbord is in the presence of a doctor who delieerd the child.
What if President Obama is an illegal alien?
President Obama had several fathers. His first father (DNA test please) was from Kenya: British colony at the time Obama was born. This makes Obama a dual citizen - not eligible for the Presidency. When Obama returned to the US from Indonesia, where his second father made him an Indonesian citizen, did he re-affirm his US citizenship? Wouldn't it be the pot calling the kettle black: an illegal wanting to let other illegals in for free as well!!!
Diluting down the culture and ability for founding citizens to live and prosper eqiuals an overthrow of this nation. Americans have had manufacturing driven down to very poor levels: almost vanish. Open borders brazenly flaunt laws. Jobs are easily exported overseas: this week IBM hired 70,000 persons in India. Last week IBM fired 5000 workers in the USA. Here jobs are reduced in the USA causing the friction between illegals and US Citizens to increase when work is almost non existant.
The real persons of interest here are Kissenger, Brezinski, Soros (Obama's mentor / financial backer) - people who all want America as we know it changed: the New World Order. Illegal immigration is but one factor of their agenda who's object is destroying and breaking down the United States of America.
Healthcare costs are significantly impacted by this segment.
On Apr 09 03:37 PM manya05 wrote:
> I find it amazing that when a post like this at SeekingAlpha goes
> up (with or without real data), rather than having a discussion about
> immigration/migration and their effects on the economy, what we get
> as comments is a lengthy list of rants about illegal immigration
> (which is not mentioned once in the article).
Nothing wrong with that - we all argue our own views. So do your DD.
Personally, I would like to see the 287g abolished. Civil enforcement organizations are not supposed to be minions of the federales. Our local law enforcement has lied about profiling and numbers to appear to be the good guys. That happens when you suck the federal teat.
I'm with the poster above: allow legal immagrints to go through the long-standing process which includes learning the language (except in California - no need to learn the language there because the "feel goodies" are more comfortable easing the alien burden at the expense of others).
My wife immigrated from a South American country and she had no problem obtaing citizenship legally about 20 years ago.
As to the author's assertion about the effects on GDP and local work forces, I can agree on GDP. Labor, skilled and unskilled, obtained at less cost is an efficieny gain. The locals displaced go onto public coffers, for awhile if lucky, and to (probably) lower-paying jobs. If in their area of expertise, we now have an additional efficiency improvement. Etc, etc., etc.
Regardless of anything, legal immigration, which served this country so well for so long (primarily because the immigrants *wanted* to "assimilate" and so learned the language, cultures, etc.) should be supported and encouraged, with reasonable limits to minimize severe displacement of local work forces. I don't care if business is more efficient or not if it imposes a major hardship on (a large number of) my neighbors.
It's sad that the greatest beneficiaries of the benefits of this country have no feeling of obligation to balance good citizenship behavior and maximizing profits. I don't know if it's the shareholders, the boards, the CEOs or just the way our culture has evolved.
But it sucks.
A recent example is the public disclosure of thousands of H1B applications by American businesses to bring in a large force of labor form other countries. *Many* of these were banks various types of financial institutions. Since the H1B is intended to provide skills not readily available locally, I was aghast! Did all those folks canned since 09/08 commit suicide? I could see no other way that those skills would not be "locally" available.
My Humble Opinion
HardToLove
Migrating to Australia is especially difficult and all skilled entry visa's are no longer issued.
New Zealand allowed in so many Chinese unskilled persons on a family reunion basis that entire townships are little enclaves of China.
With so many Shrilankans living there it makes you wonder if any are still in Shrilanka.
None support the country to which they have moved to with obviuos cultural problems appearing.
Australia too bought in 3000 African Migrants from the horn of Africa per year.
Many had only ever lived in Refugee camps,but because of the strict religious tennents they observe ,very little assimilation into Australian culture happens. Most 'native' Australians have only ever come into contact with an African when they drove their cab.
Illegal entry is attempted on a daily basis as people smugglers take advantage of weak government policies regarding patrolling the waters to our North as folks from as far as iraq attempt to sneak in undetected into the Empty north of Australia. We have our own little Gitmo on Christmas Island where such people are kept,away from the mainland in defiance of the UN Charter of Human rights which says anyone seeking asylum must be granted such asylum. There is only one way to deal with such issues and that is a firm hand and a deaf ear to screams from the bleeding hearts.
<<The benefits of migration are significant for both the sending and receiving countries…
We find that immigration increases employment, with no evidence of crowding-out of natives, and that investment responds rapidly and vigorously……
The inflow of immigrants does not seem to reduce capital intensity nor total factor productivity in the short-run or in the long run. ……
These results imply that immigration increases the total GDP of the receiving country in the short-run one-for-one, without affecting average wages and average income per person.>>
Fact: You can’t talk about immigration in America without including illegal aliens that constitute the majority of immigrants in the USA. Doing this, you need to add in the extreme social cost of: jails, medical emergency room treatment, bi-lingual schools, and welfare that support uneducated aliens.
Fact: California, Colorado and NY are all going broke supporting illegal aliens!!!
Every illegal immigrant working in the US takes away an opportunity for a US citizen. Forget that baloney about jobs that citizens won't do. Often it is because that an illegal will do it for less, the wages at present are less than welfare. Remove the illegals and the wages will go up.
I volunteer in schools and hold a graduate degree. I do not blame children for the actions of their parents and want every child to suceed. I observed that children of illegals are less likely to stand for the pledge alligence. I also find that after learning English, many children of illegals, while in elementary schoool, out perform natives, expecially minority natives. Middle school begans a decline often resulting in dropping out by high school.
I would like to see illegal immigration stopped. I realize that they are not only from South Americal, but China, Eastern Europe, Hati, India, Ireland, Africa and other places where government policies and corruption keep most of their citizens poor and often oppressed.
We should provide for our own people first. I am all for working to encourage oppressive and corrupt governments to adopt policies which will help their citizens to develop economically and politically. Freedom to own land and to engage in business is a must.
On Apr 09 03:50 PM Liquid Fusion wrote:
> If America is attacked, where do illegal aliens place their alliegence?
>
>
> Will Barrack Obama please show his birth certificate? A certification
> of live birth is not the same thing. The latter ca be sent in up
> to a year after birth. The former is made the moment the newbord
> is in the presence of a doctor who delieerd the child.
>
> What if President Obama is an illegal alien?
>
> President Obama had several fathers. His first father (DNA test please)
> was from Kenya: British colony at the time Obama was born. This makes
> Obama a dual citizen - not eligible for the Presidency. When Obama
> returned to the US from Indonesia, where his second father made him
> an Indonesian citizen, did he re-affirm his US citizenship? Wouldn't
> it be the pot calling the kettle black: an illegal wanting to let
> other illegals in for free as well!!!
>
> Diluting down the culture and ability for founding citizens to live
> and prosper eqiuals an overthrow of this nation. Americans have had
> manufacturing driven down to very poor levels: almost vanish. Open
> borders brazenly flaunt laws. Jobs are easily exported overseas:
> this week IBM hired 70,000 persons in India. Last week IBM fired
> 5000 workers in the USA. Here jobs are reduced in the USA causing
> the friction between illegals and US Citizens to increase when work
> is almost non existant.
>
> The real persons of interest here are Kissenger, Brezinski, Soros
> (Obama's mentor / financial backer) - people who all want America
> as we know it changed: the New World Order. Illegal immigration is
> but one factor of their agenda who's object is destroying and breaking
> down the United States of America.
We are almost hopelessly in debt. We have twice as many people here as we would be best off with. We should never have used our taxes to breed millions on welfare. You want more? I can't believe anyone would be so stupid. More would be more crime, more users of oil and fresh water,more road rage, nothing but bad.
A Mexican, an Arab, and a redneck girl are in the same bar.
When the Mexican finishes his beer, he throws his glass in the air, pulls out his pistol, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, 'In Mexico , our glasses are so cheap we don't need to drink with the same one twice.'
The Arab, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws it into the air, pulls out his AK-47, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, 'In the Arab World, we have so much sand to make glasses that we don't need to drink with the same one twice either.'
The redneck girl, picks up her beer, downs it in one gulp, throws the glass into the air, whips out her 45, and shoots the Mexican and the Arab. Catching her glass, setting it on the bar, and calling for a refill, she says,
'In America we have so many illegal aliens that we don't have to drink with the same ones twice.'
' God Bless America '