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Bear markets throw up head fakes before investors enjoy the real recovery. So while the current 20%-plus rally in global equities is the fourth and most significant since the bear market began in 2007, many are still questioning whether it is the real deal or just another one of these head fakes.
While it may not be the best indicator of sentiment, the CBOE Put/Call Ratio surged as high as 1.31 on Wednesday morning. This indicates excessive pessimism, but the surge in bearish sentiment comes without a major market correction.
“Clearly, pessimism remains extreme,” says veteran technical analyst Leon Tuey, pointing out that this type of scenario is typical of major market bottoms.
As investors continue to worry about the economy, the financial system, credit card and commercial real estate loan defaults, deflation, inflation, and much more, they forget about both the U.S. Federal Reserve Board and the U.S. administration, he writes. “These institutions are far more aware of the problems than any economist.”
Mr. Tuey points out that with the world’s central banks drowning the system with liquidity, recent data shows the economy improving. He also reminds us that since the market is a discounting mechanism, it always bottoms months before the end of a recession, not after.
He said:
Short-term corrections notwithstanding, investors should focus on the important factors that drive the market – monetary, economic, valuation, sentiment, and supply/demand. They continue to give bullish readings.
Mr. Tuey insists we are not witnessing a bear market rally, but a bull market, the magnitude and duration of which will surprise everyone. As a result, he views the short-term weakness as an outstanding buying opportunity, not something to be feared.
Peter Gibson, vice chairman at Desjardins Securities said in a recent note:
Although the S&P 500 has rallied 26% off its March 9 low, this rally feels different, with strong leadership from the financials, a lower VIX and a breakdown of the pattern of lower highs.
He pointed out that the longer stocks are able to maintain 20% gains, the more distance in time and points will be gained from the bottom. Investors will also move from looking down to looking up, seeing average gains of more than 40% off of market bottoms.
Mr. Gibson also highlighted the strong leadership coming from stocks in China as a result of its huge stimulus package, exploding bank lending and a manufacturing sector that expanded again in March.
Citigroup’s global investment strategist Robert Buckland thinks the current rally exhibits more of the hallmarks of “the real deal.” But he suggested that we need to progress further through the earnings downturn and see better news from the real economy and credit to be sure that it is not a head fake.
Where is the macro recovery progressing, if anywhere? Citigroup surveyed its economists, strategists and sector analysts and found that the Asia Pacific regions seems to be furthest into a recovery, followed by the U.S. and Europe. Japan appears to be lagging.
Mr. Buckland said:
To confirm a recovery, our economists, strategists and analysts need to see the pace of earnings declines subside, easier credit conditions, better news from housing markets, and a stabilization in global savings ratios.
During the last bear market from 2000 to 2003, global equities declined 52%. During that time, investors experienced four rallies of more than 10% before stock prices eventually turned higher in March 2003, kicking off the next bull run. One of these bear market rallies lasted from Sept. 2001 to March 2002. The Asian banking crisis of the late 1990s and the brutal U.S. bear market in the early 1970s saw similar cases of head fakes.
For a rally to be the "real deal," Mr. Buckland said we should see positive readings on most of the following measures: economy, valuation, policy, earnings, credit, market and sentiment. This scorecard would have kept investors well away during the first two rallies and was relatively lukewarm towards the rally late in 2008. But the current rally, while scoring best of all, still does not present a “full house” as it did in early 2003. “The economy, earnings and credit are still saying not yet.”
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Personally, I doubt its sustainability; and since I did most of my buying in the downslide, averaged-in at much lower than current levels, I am taking the opportunity to take some profits and cut back some positions that have risen above what is warranted by reality.
All because of PPIP. Billions (trillions?) worth of PPIP. That's a hard force to fight, no matter how sound your fundamentals or techinicals.
This economic downturn will continue, possibly with a bump up in the fourth quarter as households try to have a joyous holiday season, well into next year. Joblessness will continue to increase, home and commercial real estate values (& the assets built on them) will continue to deteriorate, at least one US auto company will go bankrupt--and maybe even a major US bank (despite efforts to bail them out), foreign countries will buy less US goods & services (because the US is buying less of theirs!), and some major Asian (Japanese) and East European banks and major corporations will go bankrupt (& impact their US brethren).
While the trajectory of the downturn may be turning from vertical to some less, we're not even on a controlled glide path, much less making steps towards recovery, at this time. We'll be lucky to hit the economic bottom by mid-2010 and the economic recovery, like the market recovery, will be virtually L-shaped for some time to come.
www.ritholtz.com/blog/.../
The market's discounting mechanism is broken. NBER says the current recession started in Dec 2007 and the federal reserve was obviously anticipating a recession well before that date. Oct 07, Two months before the start of the worst downturn in 80 years, the S&P was making new all-time highs. Even after this vicious slowdown was in full swing (large banks were imploding, fed in crisis mode), the market rallied back to within about 8% of those all time highs in mid 08. In fact, the stock market did not begin to really respond to this obviously horrible recession until late 08, fully 9 months after the official start, and nearly 2 years after the federal reserve began moderating their stance. Why the long delay from the market?
Here's how the market works in this age of managed money. Investment managers will not sell until home players ask for their money back. Most managers get a large chunk of their income from assets under management. If they try to trim holdings in the face of economic weakeness, investors see the losses and ask for the return of their money. Thus managers' incomes drop due to less assets under management, both due to lower stock prices and redemptions.
Asset managers know that it is in their collective interests to stay fully invested, so they all collaborate like a big cartel. You don't sell, I won't sell. If the market crashes again, everyone was "caught off guard" and there can be no liability for individual managers. Just like the late 08 crash, hoocudanode?
On the flip side, the market goes up quickly on any potential good economic news, at this point it starts going up just because the rate of decline has improved. Same reasons as above apply. Send us your money, home players. Don't miss the boat. CNBC is a 24 hour infomercial for this mentality. So, what we have is a one way discounting mechanism, which strongly contributes to the repeat boom bust cycle.
www.cnbc.com//id/30263011
For some time now I have been puzzled as to what sort of magic could be holding up the markets. I have also wondered what the banks are doing with all the money they have received from TARP since there is still a major liquidity problem. Again, I wonder if the Fed is really buying the types of securities it says it is buying with it grossly expanded balance sheet. This last one seems implausible to me, but my wife has been telling me for months that she thinks Bernanke is trying to prop up the stock market through direct intervention. That would be hard for me to swallow.
However, an attempted coordinated effort to manipulate the market by a few very large, well connected banks and hedge funds until retail investors start to join in would not shock me in the least. It's all about driving perceptions anyway, isn't it? And this sort of create the momentum move and get out on the backs of the retail investor is what they do. It's just never seemed to be so well coordinated before.
I'm probably blowing smoke and I know it. But how else can we explain the disconnect between expected earnings and the market rally? As Mad Hedge Funder Trader pointed out, this looks like a bungee cord market recovery in the midst of an earnings season that is expected to fall off a cliff.
Stay with me for a moment longer as we try to piece together a little mosaic of scattered eveidence. Have you noticed the timing of headlines from different segments of the Administration and certain banks (C, WFC, BofA, GS, MS, JPM) and how each one seems to take a turn spewing "good" news at critical points. Each time the market has started to weaken since March 9th, one of the afformentioned has made an announcement to boost market confidence. If the first announcement didn't keep the rally going, another party sent out another booster announcement. When the rally seems to be doing well under its own momentum, the headlines thin out and things get quiet.
I realize that the Administration is still in campaign mode trying to convince American consumers that it's okay to come out again. They need us to believe. They need us to spend. If they can just make us believe that the economy has bottomed and the recovery has begun and if they can continue to manage to keep flooding the media with enough positive spin, they really believe that they can turn the ship around. They have to believe this because they also believe that it is their job to convince us to believe in them.
Well, I'm just not buying it. My real concern here is that what if all the public oratory and coordinated press releases are not enough? What might they do then? Have they already put plan B into action secretly? Who really is buying stocks and proping up the market?
I'm sure I don't know and I'm not sure if I want to, either.
Our economy has been hollowed out by decades of increasing regulation, litigation, and policy unfriendly to real (non-financial) businesses. At this point, we're a shell, which is why we run a massive current account deficit (except when the economy's imploding like now). The illusion of retirement savings is the only thing keeping us afloat and it's a pretty thin veneer. Obama needs all the help he can get.
On Apr 17 12:38 PM Mark Bern wrote:
> Well, I'm going to go out on a limb again. I'm starting to get comfortable
> out here.
>
> For some time now I have been puzzled as to what sort of magic could
> be holding up the markets. I have also wondered what the banks are
> doing with all the money they have received from TARP since there
> is still a major liquidity problem. Again, I wonder if the Fed is
> really buying the types of securities it says it is buying with it
> grossly expanded balance sheet. This last one seems implausible to
> me, but my wife has been telling me for months that she thinks Bernanke
> is trying to prop up the stock market through direct intervention.
> That would be hard for me to swallow.
>
> However, an attempted coordinated effort to manipulate the market
> by a few very large, well connected banks and hedge funds until retail
> investors start to join in would not shock me in the least. It's
> all about driving perceptions anyway, isn't it? And this sort of
> create the momentum move and get out on the backs of the retail investor
> is what they do. It's just never seemed to be so well coordinated
> before.
>
> I'm probably blowing smoke and I know it. But how else can we explain
> the disconnect between expected earnings and the market rally? As
> Mad Hedge Funder Trader pointed out, this looks like a bungee cord
> market recovery in the midst of an earnings season that is expected
> to fall off a cliff.
>
> Stay with me for a moment longer as we try to piece together a little
> mosaic of scattered eveidence. Have you noticed the timing of headlines
> from different segments of the Administration and certain banks (C,
> WFC, BofA, GS, MS, JPM) and how each one seems to take a turn spewing
> "good" news at critical points. Each time the market has started
> to weaken since March 9th, one of the afformentioned has made an
> announcement to boost market confidence. If the first announcement
> didn't keep the rally going, another party sent out another booster
> announcement. When the rally seems to be doing well under its own
> momentum, the headlines thin out and things get quiet.
>
> I realize that the Administration is still in campaign mode trying
> to convince American consumers that it's okay to come out again.
> They need us to believe. They need us to spend. If they can just
> make us believe that the economy has bottomed and the recovery has
> begun and if they can continue to manage to keep flooding the media
> with enough positive spin, they really believe that they can turn
> the ship around. They have to believe this because they also believe
> that it is their job to convince us to believe in them.
>
> Well, I'm just not buying it. My real concern here is that what if
> all the public oratory and coordinated press releases are not enough?
> What might they do then? Have they already put plan B into action
> secretly? Who really is buying stocks and proping up the market?
>
>
> I'm sure I don't know and I'm not sure if I want to, either.
What is clear is that the crash following the misallocations that arose out of the biggest credit bubble in human history was met with the greatest market intervention in human history. It is also clear that the classic role of a downturn--to clear the market of said resource misallocations--has not even begun.
I'm just a dumb wood guy but I at least understand that. I read your posts and the only thin I can imagine you were " cum laude" in was watching spanktravision and telling yourself what a genius you are while you get everything wrong.
There are 1000 opinions going around on 1000 directions of what the market is going to do the next minute, hour, day, week, month, year, decade.... One of them have to be right - for a while.
The only way to tell if a bear market is over is when it's long over and the shorts have lost everything they gained in the down side. Almost every American is long one way or another in a brokerage account directly, a 401(k) or an employers retirement account. What the shorters don't understand is that they are destroying people's retirements by violently driving down stock prices. Do the shorters care? It doesn't appear they are anything but SELFISH. I wonder if they see their parents, grandparents, uncles, kids futures disappearing for the shorter's cash stealing addictions.
Make the downtick rule more strict or better yet tax short sales profits at 90%. Make it economically unfeasable to destroy the stock market again.
It's interesting to check these guys who are chart freaks to see what they think about the market. According to some of them the the S & P will drop to 850 then go back up? I don't know what these charts tell you. It kind of seems like you can see whatever you want to in them.
Basically the market is going to go up and down for a while while trending slightly higher. Eventually, the economic data will gives a clear picture of where we are going then it will either be up or straight down to the abyss. So either you believe we will pull out or we will death spiral.
It's too bad we can't get back to the days when the "dumb" money, like myself, believed we could buy stock in a good company (say McDonalds) think, wow, I own a peice of that company and whatch the stock and invest int he company and believe in it. Instead, we are told by jerks on CNBC to "buy the dips and sell the rips". What kind of "investment" strategy is that?
Can we get back to believing in and investing in American companies for the long haul? Or is that just some romantic notion?
If i think the WII is a great prodcut can i buy Nintendo or should I just stop and buy a spider ETF of some garbage. This is the kind of question and decision this country needs to come to grips with.
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On Apr 17 11:40 AM Mad Hedge Fund Trader wrote:
> The last five weeks have been too painless.Will someone please help
> me out here? Q1 is widely expected to be the quarter from hell, with
> earnings expected to plummet by 38%, and the market rockets 26%,
> the biggest hyperbolic move since 1930. Is there a disconnect here?
> I know I only got a magna cum laude in math in college, not the summa
> cum laude I deserved (my professor didn’t understand his subject
> and hated me for it). But is it possible that the market has gotten
> ahead of itself? Just a tad? Is the economy really going to have
> the massive bungee cord type recovery that the market is discounting
> here? Could we be setting up for the perfect sell in May and go away
> scenario, like we saw last year? I don’t get this. I await your comments
> in earnest.