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As far as I’m concerned the jury is still out on the housing market but I’m not going to ignore some signs that things may be turning around.

The preponderance of foreclosures in the existing sales numbers has led a lot of analysts to suggest that bargain hunters and investors are driving the market and once the inventory clears out the sales numbers will fall off. If you look at the non-distressed component of existing sales there’s reason to believe that but it’s only a thesis and won’t be validated until the foreclosure inventory tails off. That doesn’t appear as if it’s going to happen anytime soon.

So, until yesterday morning I was in the wait and see camp. Jim the Realtor’s report (via Calculated Risk) on a new home subdivision in San Diego tells me that there may be more going on than people suspect. He paints a picture straight out of if not the boom years then certainly from a more healthy market. Take a look:

Interesting isn’t it? By the way, if you haven’t been following this guy you might want to think about doing so. He’s becoming something of a cult figure.

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    Believe whatever you want. I'm sure to some realtors Lawrence Yun is also a cult figure. For me, Schiller is John the Baptist.
    May 04 06:15 AM | Link | Reply
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    I am a Realtor and member of NAR...

    Following the advice of 95% of the Realtors out there is like taking the hook, line and sinker...Do your due diligence and make your own decisions on your r.e. investment.

    Forewarned is forearmed!
    May 04 09:04 AM | Link | Reply
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    I don't know who Jim is but weren't the realtors AND the bankers two of the classes that got us into this mess?

    We are most likely close to a bottom in housing but it's not because of what realtors say, it's because housing at the present prices is getting back into the range of fair market values. Which just goes to show how overpriced it was three years ago.
    May 04 09:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    t-bird, thanks, good to see there are still some honest realtors.......
    May 04 10:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    Quick honey, go get my check book for that new home deposit... Oh wait those aren't buyers, it's just a bunch of realtors with their families mulling around...
    May 04 12:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Also, don't you just love it when Realtors are actually issuing warnings for us to be skeptical of others in their trade:

    (P.S. Thanks for the honesty t-bird)

    On May 04 09:04 AM t-bird wrote:

    > I am a Realtor and member of NAR...
    >
    > Following the advice of 95% of the Realtors out there is like taking
    > the hook, line and sinker...Do your due diligence and make your own
    > decisions on your r.e. investment.
    >
    > Forewarned is forearmed!
    May 04 12:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    Wonder how much the developer paid Jim for this hype. San Diego is a big city in southern CA so maybe there really are a few people there stupid enough to pay 800 grand for one of those burb boxes. Only in lala land! For that much you could buy about 1,000 houses in Detroit.
    May 04 12:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    My wife sent me a video on how to reset the memory on an Epson print cartridge. It showed how you simply use a paper clip to pish a little plastic button. It then showed them putting the cartridge back in the printer and, presto, it showed that it had more ink.

    I tore apart one of the print cartriges. The "restet" button was nothing more than a plastic tab used to line up the plastic parts.

    IOW, One video does not the truth make, and things in videos are not always what they seem.
    May 04 12:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    why do you think NY City is a city at all? Burb boxes worthless? try an NYCity "efficiency" for a couple grand a month. now if people could only afford to furnish their burb box...the efficiency on the other hand--that comes fully stocked with a bed and a table. how's that for a conspriracy theory?
    May 04 01:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    I grew up in one of those big boxes - trust me, they're quite pleasant, and I'll take a San Diego winter over one in Detroit any year. It was $300k when purchased; three years ago, it sold for $880k, and now is reselling for $550k. Granted, it's in one of the trendy development areas of yesteryear (just off Scripps Ranch), as opposed to the nouveau trendyvilles.

    San Diego was a retirement mecca for decades before the housing boom. Many recent house sales seem to be purchased by New Yorkers/Angelenos/Fran... downpricing and newly retired professionals spending their severance packages. Even if true, this is not evidence of a bottom - yet.
    May 04 03:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Sure, it depends on when you bought your box. I have a friend who bought one in the 70s in Ventura, CA for $135,000 and watched it go to $900,000 a couple of years ago. It's now worth about $600,000 so he is still looking good. But, if you are paying $800,000 for one now, you are a world class idiot!
    May 04 06:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    As to a NYC efficiency for two grand a month, that was because NYC wages were probably the highest in the country so, if you are making big money, $2,000/mo is really cheap. Hell, personal secretaries were making $80 grand! Now that the financial industry has layed off all of those mid level people, watch those rents come down when those people abandon Gotham.
    May 04 06:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    Agreed on that analysis. I live part of the year in San Diego, and I have been here off and over 15 years. A tour through the county and city will give an indication of just how depleted everything is currently.

    The problem in San Diego was that none of the boom was sustainable by local employment. There were so many realtors that there were barely five properties for each to sell. Add to that traffic, lack of parking, and generally poor infrastructure, and you simply cannot sustain high dollar properties on recently retired executives. I have to wonder what sort of homeowner dues are in this place, and if they will double (or more) if they don't sell all the units.

    You want a better picture, visit downtown San Diego, and notice over a few nights how few lights are on in the condos. Then talk to people about how there are so many foreclosed places that the banks are not even releasing them on the market, lest they devalue everything. Some places have so many foreclosed properties they don't even have enough people to go around and change the locks. Even more fun is the planned communities that went bankrupt.

    This video is either clueless, a paid shill, or made by a complete idiot. There is NO market recovery in San Diego real estate, and anyone who lives here more than one week (and is not involved in real estate sales) can tell you that.


    On May 04 12:51 PM henarl wrote:

    > Wonder how much the developer paid Jim for this hype. San Diego
    > is a big city in southern CA so maybe there really are a few people
    > there stupid enough to pay 800 grand for one of those burb boxes.
    > Only in lala land! For that much you could buy about 1,000 houses
    > in Detroit.
    May 04 07:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have no idea as to what the answer is to "is this a housing bottom but I think housing stocks in general follow the tide in and out and the tide right now is in. I bought Realty Income Corp. (O) a month or so back and its up 22%. giving a 9.3% dividend. Am I a "buy and hold" investor-no, I set my mental stops and sell if I deem necessary. These days it doesn't pay to fall in love with em.
    May 04 10:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    In the last 3 weeks of April, 14 new home sales were recorded at Brookfield Homes in San Diego and Riverside County neighborhoods.
    May 06 03:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Been in real estate all my adult life. As a salesman, a broker and also an appraiser on Southern California. My only advice is NEVER just buy real estate. ANYBODY can do that. You STEAL real estate. If you can't steal it, you do not want it. As an investment, it must stand on its own. NEVER count on appreciation, if it happens, it is bonus time. NEVER count on the tax benefits. Politicians change tax policy like we change underwear (hopefully, daily! lol). All real estate markets are local, albeit with national trends. Want to know how to judge a bottom in your local market? Fairly simple when it comes to single family residences. When the total costs of owning that residence after a "normal" down payment are roughly equal to the fair market rent for that residence, you are reasonably close to a price bottom. Combine that with affordability index and you should be ok. That would be for a residence you live in, as a rental, you will need a nice discount from that as we NEVER buy real estate without positive cash flow. NEVER. As Dear Old Dad Used To Say...son, making money is easy. When nobody wants it, you buy it. When everyone wants it, you sell it to them.......
    May 12 09:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    Nice comment. That pretty much sums up how you make money in the real estate business. Now why is that advice so hard for people to follow?


    On May 12 09:26 PM Market Sniper wrote:

    > Been in real estate all my adult life. As a salesman, a broker and
    > also an appraiser on Southern California. My only advice is NEVER
    > just buy real estate. ANYBODY can do that. You STEAL real estate.
    > If you can't steal it, you do not want it. As an investment, it must
    > stand on its own. NEVER count on appreciation, if it happens, it
    > is bonus time. NEVER count on the tax benefits. Politicians change
    > tax policy like we change underwear (hopefully, daily! lol). All
    > real estate markets are local, albeit with national trends. Want
    > to know how to judge a bottom in your local market? Fairly simple
    > when it comes to single family residences. When the total costs of
    > owning that residence after a "normal" down payment are roughly equal
    > to the fair market rent for that residence, you are reasonably close
    > to a price bottom. Combine that with affordability index and you
    > should be ok. That would be for a residence you live in, as a rental,
    > you will need a nice discount from that as we NEVER buy real estate
    > without positive cash flow. NEVER. As Dear Old Dad Used To Say...son,
    > making money is easy. When nobody wants it, you buy it. When everyone
    > wants it, you sell it to them.......
    May 12 10:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Market Sniper has certainly given us the best advice we could ever hope to hear from anyone on how its done and right from the lips of a real estate agent. Ironically, it is in his open revelation of what truly comprises a successful real estate broker may lead us to ponder just how much unnecessary suffering caused by our collective perception of having something as essential and basic as housing as a huge payout sometime down the road.

    The fact is housing is no different than food to our basic survival. Imagine if getting all of our other survival needs was in the hands of middlemen or brokers who facilitated huge bubbles for us to stress endlessly over in order to simply eat decent meals or our quench or thirst. Imagine if as gainly a profit could be made in such essentials as food or water as we see now made in real estate . If basics such as these were controlled by brokers and agents and appraisers who bought and flipped any lot of food or salt or clothing that they had scoured the markets for and deemed underpriced, then ramped up the sale price as high as possible and pocketed the profit, how would we then want to see this ?

    You may not believe it, but land was once sold and traded very casually, much like we sell things at yard sales. One would have some extra lot or parcel and run into someone else looking for land. In little more than a casual conversation such deals were followed up by a simple county recording and a pair of signatures on a title. A parcel of land or a livable home was often traded for goods or a work contract or tools or several season's worth of firewood.

    When homes cease to be seen as a source of huge investment vacation, leisure or retirement income only then will the commercial business surrounding them diminish. And the immense burden and complexity of high priced real estate that infects our society, driving many of us from seeking the simple satsisfactions we may love in life to the ruin of endless worry over material things, all go away. We created the home and property investment hassle and we are obliged as human beings to see it done away with or at least changed drastically.



    May 13 09:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    signonsandiego.com, May 15: "Only 5,200 new housing units were authorized in San Diego County last year, the lowest number since record keeping began in 1968. The forecast predicted that the number will be even lower this year: 2,300." Even if 100% of homes permitted were actually constructed and sold, that would still be the worst performance in 41 years.
    May 16 06:36 AM | Link | Reply
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