Does America Want to Buy Fuel Efficient Cars? 19 comments
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There appears to be a debate on this question, which is puzzling to me. I think many people are mistakenly under the assumption that “small, fuel efficient” cars equate to miniature so called “smart” cars that we see every so often on the road and in Europe, as opposed to simply something other than a gas guzzling SUV or crossover vehicle. In fact, most sedans today are very fuel efficient.
Will U.S. consumers buy these cars? Well, that question has actually already been answered. As you can see from the chart below, the top 5 best selling cars in the U.S. get more than 30 miles per gallon on the highway, and #6 on the list isn’t too far behind:
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Those of us that are retired don't drive much, and we will continue to own safe cars.
What about Al Gore and his fleet of aircraft, and other rich airplane and gas and fuel gushing people. Its always NOT ME, this global warming is a joke, just wait till we have a major volcanic eruption like in the past, we will have 1000 feet of ice covering most of the US. Can't wait till we elect people that have their heads on strait. We need to have alternative energy but lets do it the right way. We have oil for over 500 years, will we run out, some day, but lets do this with intelligence, not try to scare the hell out of people. Lets drill and keep gas and fuel prices down, put additional on gas and fuel and have it pay for help in alternative energy, such a bunch of idiots, keep the poor poor so they get voted in, what a joke, some of use are not stupid and know what is going on.
In any case, the 2008 year is probably not very representative as a sample - there were a lot of "special causes" that produced panic buying of some vehicle types, and not buying of others. Remember there was a time last summer and autumn when Asian hybrids were immediately and indiscriminantly snapped up, sometimes at sticker price plus bid premium, practically as soon as the delivery truck was sighted on the way to arrival at the dealership. This is characteristic of panic mood swing buying. Then gasoline prices subsided, and those hybrids stacked up on dealer lots like the trucks and SUVs. Something similar happened before - in the 70's and 80's, when Arab oil embargos resulted in gas lines and prices leaping to an unthinkable $1 a gallon. Folks bought tiny little $2400 Civics instead of $3000 Cadillacs, and it looked to be all over for the American brands. If we had sampled those years as a trend, and projected it forward, then one would think we would all be driving around in scooters and mini cars - perhaps rather like much of Europe.
But gasoline stabilized at around a buck, and Americans soon were bored with tiny, slow, "appliance" cars, and jumped to macho SUVs - as soon as stylish looking minivans became boring "soccer mom" family transportation. That said, the whole "consumer pickup" trend, with heavy duty trucks being used for commuting purposes, and carrying nothing more in the bed than an occasional weekend soccer bag (as opposed to true blue construction worker cargo haulin'), was probably also a bit of an anomaly. Something perhaps related to, or rather spawned by, the "grungy" mood of the 90's youth.
The next "big thing" in American personal and family transportation will be something - but probably not tiny cars. In a decent economy, Americans quickly get bored with dull lifeless cars, and want something that fills the needs, and something they can be proud to drive around. The automakers that come up with creative, stylish, exciting designs will thrive, and the others will fall further back and try to play catch up. Fuel economy will no doubt be a priority: reinforced and emphasized with every seasonal change, when the fuel blends shift to summer or winter, and the pump prices jump up and settle back as refinery supplies and gas station demands restabilize.
At the moment, Americans are still in shock from the economic disasters that really got entrenched about a year ago, bringing everything to a virtual stand still. It will take some time and inspiration to get Americans to get out of the malaise of the sick bed, pull up their bootstraps, and get back to work. Then the comeback really begins, and it will be a helluva ride. What Americans choose to be their "rides" may determine the future of the American Industry.
In any case, 2008 was more representative of what folks do when they are stuck with a big Pickup and SUV in the garage, along with the eldest son's "fast and furious" asian beater-mobile in the driveway; and then fuel prices double overnight. Panic, trade in the SUV for something - anything - that gets 30 mpg or more - even if it is used - just to get by until it turns around again. 2009 (at least the first half of it) will be representative of what folks buy when they are depressed and fearing for their job - if they are employed at all. We'll see what happens in the latter half, and in 2010.
Gas tax is not an evil word!
On May 21 09:55 AM mycargets52mpg wrote:
> Americans react as rationally to price signals as anybody. Exhibit
> A: Full-size SUV sales and resale values during last year's gas price
> spike. The main point to keep in mind is relative fuel efficiency.
> Skipping the Suburban for an Equinox will save money at the gas pump.
> That Equinox will of course not do everything a Suburban does, but
> at some point the additional fuel cost will force needs and priorities
> to be reassessed. When gas hit $4, that point was clearly reached,
> and many consumers made rational decisions. An Equinox will of course
> be less efficient than a Civic, but that comparison probably was
> not valid at $4, given the underlying needs assessment. GM, Chrysler,
> and Ford had clearly banked on behavior as described by rstrader,
> but the evidence shows otherwise. At least Mulally and Lutz had the
> guts to openly endorse higher gas taxes to support their investment
> in fuel efficient vehicles.
Then, GM and Ford figured out that SUVs could be huge cash cows, especially when based on mature pickup designs whose development costs had been paid off. They spent huge sums convincing people that they couldn't live without the power, capability, and safety that only a huge 4WD, V8 powered SUV could provide. And people bought it in droves. Even if they didn't pull a boat, drive off road, or have 6 kids and 2 dogs.
My guess is the marketing machines at GM, Ford, Toyota, etc can sell the American public on buying anything the automakers want to sell. When they figure out how to profitably build high end fuel efficient small cars for the US market (like Ford, Toyota, VW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, and BMW do in Europe) they will start marketing and selling them in droves. And people will realize just how safe and fun to drive these cars are.
On May 21 10:07 AM Jeff B. wrote:
> People do like to buy fuel efficient cars -- but, especially when
> that fuel efficiency is combined with reliability, good performance
> and good value. The chart data is slightly out of date. Currently,
> the best selling vehicle in the US is the Honda Accord. It now outsells
> the Ford F150 & Chevy Silverado (and Camry).
On May 21 10:38 AM Jons12 wrote:
> A higher gas/oil tax is the obvious solution. It nips the problem
> at the bud and everything falls into place naturally without complicated
> schemes. Consumers will demand more fuel efficiency, biofuels become
> more competitive as well as mass transportation.
>
> Gas tax is not an evil word!
>
> On May 21 09:55 AM mycargets52mpg wrote:
This is really funny: "My guess is the marketing machines at GM, Ford, Toyota, etc can sell the American public on buying anything the automakers want to sell", yeah that's why GM's market share is way up, because they can make people buy stuff they don't want! Do they keep the sharp things away from you?
GM and Ford are very good at selling this segment, even if the result is that people buy other manufacturer's cars in the segment instead.
On May 21 12:38 PM User 158164 wrote:
> What a dope. Mileage is not the ONLY factor people look at. Look
> at your own data. If mileage was what people wanted, then why does
> the Camry outsell the Corolla?
>
> This is really funny: "My guess is the marketing machines at GM,
> Ford, Toyota, etc can sell the American public on buying anything
> the automakers want to sell", yeah that's why GM's market share is
> way up, because they can make people buy stuff they don't want! Do
> they keep the sharp things away from you?
People don't need to have their arms twisted to do what's in their interests to do. They need to be bribed (via subsidies) or forced to do what is not in their interest. Hence "green" vehicles that can't make it in the marketplace and therefore need the iron fist of government behind it.
Yeah, I know. Enemies of the people (like me) are contributing to "global warming." Damn right. Here in Minnesota, it is almost always damn cold.
Makes sense to me. I'm from northern Minnesota myself. Actually pull a boat behind my SUV, drive offroad to go hunting, fishing, and canoeing, etc. I just wish someone could sell me something suitable that gets 50 mpg rather than 16. Like a diesel hybrid 4Runner. That would fit the ticket perfectly.
On May 21 09:21 PM Tony Petroski wrote:
> "Fuel efficient" is a relative term as is "gas guzzler." Is an M-1
> tank a "gas guzzler" and therefore less efficient than a calvary
> man riding a horse? If I choose a Ford Explorer because the mix
> of size, durability and fuel use fits my needs, does that make me
> an enemy of the people?
>
> People don't need to have their arms twisted to do what's in their
> interests to do. They need to be bribed (via subsidies) or forced
> to do what is not in their interest. Hence "green" vehicles that
> can't make it in the marketplace and therefore need the iron fist
> of government behind it.
>
> Yeah, I know. Enemies of the people (like me) are contributing to
> "global warming." Damn right. Here in Minnesota, it is almost always
> damn cold.