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In my last Seeking Alpha column, I mentioned as a very speculative investment GM exchange traded or “retail” notes that trade on the NYSE. Thus far, this has not been a good investment. I mentioned XGM in particular, then trading at $4.90, and now trading at $1.56, with this loss partially cushioned by two dividend payments totaling 90 cents.

Despite these losses, I decided to not only hold, but buy in a little more around these prices. I certainly have been proven wrong in thinking that the Obama administration would not let GM file for bankruptcy, and this talk was mostly bluffing to get the bondholders to agree to concessions, which was the strategy with GMAC.

Even under bankruptcy I still see value in the bonds, but again as only a very speculative part of one’s portfolio. This is not an investment for the kids’ college fund.

My thesis has two major assumptions. First is that in an eventual bankruptcy senior debt holders will come away with a substantial chunk of the equity of the new GM. Second is that this new GM will be profitable. In this article I will discuss the reasoning behind these assumptions, and try to figure out how much GM senior debt, now trading for about 6 cents on the dollar (around 1.5 for notes with a face value of 25) is actually worth.

The first issue is how much of the new GM senior note holders will end up with. The most recent offer, which almost certainly will not reach the 90% tender rate needed to be accepted, is for 10% of the company. I consider this the lower bound of what we'll end up with in bankruptcy. The higher bound I believe is around 30%, which is a conservative estimate of the percentage of GM’s $27 billion securitized debt, represents a percentage of all senior liabilities, and what we’d get if contract and bankruptcy law are scrupulously observed, since these instruments are pari passu with other senior liabilities.

So if the $27 billion in face value securitized debt will be converted into 10% to 30% of the new GM, the next question to value these notes is how much the new GM will be worth.

Normally I'd start by looking at the balance sheet, but it is an opaque and dishonest mess. Like the banks I have often written about, their accounting is untrustworthy.

Instead I look at (1) GM's solid financial performance during happier times earlier this decade and what it might be shorn of its legacy liabilities after it emerges from bankruptcy (2) the market capitalization of other automakers.

In FYs 2002, 2003, and 2004 GM earned an average of $2.77 billion per year, or $3.58 billion per year “excluding Hughes Electronics and special items.” Those days of cheap gas, cheap credit, and free-spending consumers buying HUMMERS with HELOCS are long past, and I do not expect them to return. But what’s notable is that GM made this money despite the bloated dealer network, high labor costs, legacy healthcare and pension costs, worldwide over-capacity and all the other factors dragging it into bankruptcy today. What's also important is that Americans still love their full size trucks and truck-based SUVs, and these markets are protected in the US by a 25% tariff. Only Toyota (TM) has full size light truck operations in the US to avoid this tall trade barrier.

How much might GM make when the U.S. economy recovers, but with cheaper labor, no unprofitable dealers, Chrysler essentially gone, Ford (F) much smaller than before, and its huge securitized senior debt converted into equity? Well, in 2007 GM paid in cash $3.751 billion in post-retirement benefits and contributed $937 million to its pensions. Its 2007 AR estimated that in 2010 it would be paying about $6.5 billion in interest on its debt. That debt will soon be wiped away, and so will those interest payments, which amount to over twice GM’s profits in the earlier part of the decade. Without these liabilities in its salad years in the first half of this decade, GM would have made well in excess of $7 billion a year.

Perhaps you can see where I am headed here. Allowing for a few years of inflation, with its legacy debt done, with its legacy contractual liabilities (the three big ones being its unprofitable franchise agreements, union contracts, and retiree obligations) all resolved in bankruptcy, and with the backing of the U.S. and Canadian governments as major shareholders and providers of cheap financing, in two years I see GM with a clean balance sheet easily and making $5+ billion a year in profits. At a P/E of 10, that would value the company at $50+ billion. If bondholders end up with 10% of that, that’s $5 billion, suggesting that GM’s $27 billion face value bonds eventually will be worth at least $5 billion, or about 18.5 cents on the dollar. Or if GM bondholders manage to get 30% of the reconstructed GM, that’s 55.6 cents on the dollar. Given they now trade around 6 cents on the dollar, this suggests that an optimistic but reasonable medium-term forecast is a three-fold gain, with a 9-fold gain not completely outside the realm of possibility.

Buried beneath the layers of debt and legacy liabilities lies a company that still has a very strong market share of not only the U.S. market, but also many other world markets, including Brazil, China, Mexico, Canada, Australia. I know there are quite a few dollar bears here who predict the collapse of the U.S. currency. I don’t share this view, but I do agree with the consensus that it has long been overvalued against the major Asian currencies. If the dollar does drift downward, GM bondholders (soon to be stockholders) will benefit as Asian imports become less competitive in the U.S. market, and profits earned in foreign currencies in GM’s overseas operations will be worth more in U.S. dollars.

Another way to see if my $50 billion estimate is reasonable is to look at the market capitalizations of other automakers.

Market Capitalization of World Automakers
Toyota$119 billion
Volkswagen$89
Honda$52
Daimler$36
BMW$21
Ford$15
Renault$11
Fiat$10

Given that all of these companies have legacy liability issues of their own, and except for Toyota all of them are smaller than GM, I don’t think my $50 billion market cap estimate for a new and healthy GM is at all unreasonable.

Disclosure: Long BGM and GRM

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    But post bankruptcy, GM will still have the same incompetent management and the same greedy unions. And the unions will have the controlling stake the company (with the government deferring to them for political reasons).

    In the future I also see the Chinese as developing as major competitors to GM.

    And lots of people on Seeking Alpha don't see the economy recovering much--and people won't be buying many new cars unless they see this recovery.

    So I think following the OP's suggestion is too risky.
    May 24 12:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    A very concise and well done analysis. Makes you wonder if Obama offered the bondholders 30% which is a baseball heading into fair territory rather than foul (10%); If bankruptcy could be avoided? Still the unexplained math is the 39% to UAW. Chalk one up for Chicago Politics. Following your analysis what would the UAW get in your scenario? Low side and high side.
    May 24 12:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Good try! I think you have written the most erudite article about another fantastic voyage of the U.S.S. White collar crime. BUT, I think you haven't got the picture right (nobody except insiders do)
    In ten years when Oliver Stone does the movie, people will continue to argue about it. I think it just shows how inept the journalists and lawmakers are. I agree to hold the $25 bonds and wait for the inevitable "extension of the tender period" which has already been hinted at by the CFO on TV. For six cents on the dollar the feds could offer cash for the lot and save the day, but no, they have something else in mind. This worked thrice for me in the past: UIS and PCR and F
    May 24 02:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    The biggest thing that this article fails to take into account is exactly what we saw in the Chrysler bankruptcy.....The Government abrogating 200 years of contract law. I wouldn't take a bond position in GM at all, period. GM is going to lose market share as alot of people are going to have a sour taste in their mouth about what the Government has done in the case of Chrysler and what is bound to happen with GM.....Ford will probably see at least a temporary bounce since they stayed out of the Government bailout game. Talk to informed people on the street and many of them will tell you that they will NOT buy a GM or Chrysler simply because they view those companies in an unfavorable light. Some of the people I've talked to were diehard GM buyers until the Feds got involved and sworn to never buy another GM vehicle. We cannot as investors ignore the laws of unintended consequences.
    May 24 02:55 PM | Link | Reply
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    Greg,
    I can't comment your article, I haven't any knowledge to do that, but please let me say : I worked 40 years with my wife and two years ago we put all our money in a simple long term investment (GM bonds) because we are retired. Now we are forced to become stock players with a little part of our money and absolutly no experience for that.
    What must we say? THANK YOU AMERICA !!!
    May 24 03:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    GM had been hemmorraging money far longer than that.....If I were you I would find the guy who told you GM bonds were a good idea and kick him square in the backside....You would have been better off with any number of other investments not related to the auto industry. Preferred stock with a good yield in a solid company. T-Bills, Municpal bonds in a fiscally sound area of the country. So many options that it appears weren't even explained to you. "America" didn't do this to you, your investment adviser did. Or if you made the choice on your own you did it to yourself by not doing enough research. I don't mean to sound harsh, but that's the reality of it. It's also why I don't trust ANYONE other than myself with my investment decisions. If I'm wrong, then it's my fault. If I'm right, I'm not paying big commissions to someone, who under most circumstances, isn't all that concerned about me to begin with.


    On May 24 03:23 PM 405388 wrote:

    > Greg,
    > I can't comment your article, I haven't any knowledge to do that,
    > but please let me say : I worked 40 years with my wife and two years
    > ago we put all our money in a simple long term investment (GM bonds)
    > because we are retired. Now we are forced to become stock players
    > with a little part of our money and absolutly no experience for that.
    >
    > What must we say? THANK YOU AMERICA !!!
    May 24 04:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have been a loyal GM buyer all my life and I recently purchased a Mercury Mountaineer because I have zero faith in the new GM. I admire the management of Ford for trying to make it through this mess without government billions.
    With the UAW and Government running GM how much faith do you have that your warranty work will be performed? I live in a small town and GM is closing all the dealers in the area, how does that sit with you...it doesn't with me. I can still count on my local Ford dealers and that gives me confidence my warranty will be honored.
    What parts company in their right mind would continue to make parts for GM, especially the way they have been treated.
    In my opinion you would have to be out of your mind to trust the UAW and the government to run anything successfully, let alone GM.
    May 24 10:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    I like your analysis. My 2 cents is that GM in the prospectus sent to bondholders did a present value of future cash flow analysis to value the 10% offer being made. They came up with a value of $2.3B for 10% of the company or $23B for the entire company. That values the bonds at ~$2.1/bond (8.4c on the dollar). Good luck to all.
    See the link below for the prospectus.

    phx.corporate-ir.net/E...
    May 24 10:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    You say the market value would be $50,000,000,000. There will be 625 million shares after distribution of 62.5 billion and a reverse stock split of 100 to 1. This would work out to about $80.00 a share. So, are you saying that after a short time the new GM stock would be worth $80.00 a share? This is crazy. Most "experts" say the new GM shares will be worth about 2 cents and after the reverse stock split $2-3.00 with a 3-5 year outlook of $25-30.00 at best. Personally, I think the five year outlook is GM selling fewer cars and trucks than Ford.
    May 24 11:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    Your track record speaks for itself. Take this man's advice at your own peril.

    His profile states the following :

    "For the last ten years he has consistently beat the S&P 500 with a strategy of buying undervalued technology stocks combined with shorting companies whose weak fundamentals are not reflected the price of their stock."
    May 25 05:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Normally I'd start by looking at the balance sheet, but it is an opaque and dishonest mess. Like the banks I have often written about, their accounting is untrustworthy."

    I see you've learned something. In your previous articles, if you didn't understand the accounting, you just made up your own numbers.
    May 25 01:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Some responses:

    The UAW's retirement plans will not control the new GM. Trust law does not allow them to keep their assets in a single concentrated position. They will sell nearly all the shares they get as soon as they can. Press reports have confirmed this.

    TX Publisher's calculations are wrong because they deal with current pre-bankruptcy stock. The reverse stock split would be in the event a deal is worked out that avoids bankruptcy, which I assume will not happen.

    A new class of shares will be issued after bankruptcy to GM's current creditors. I don't know how many shares will be issued, so you can't even begin to talk about price of those shares, only the market cap of the whole company and what % note holders get.
    May 25 02:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have a question. If GM go bankruptcy, How much my stock will worth? If I hold on the stocks and GM do well My GM shares will be worth anything in 2-3 years? Please let me know. I bought 1000 shares @3.85 per share.

    Thanks

    aaasoliman@yahoo.com


    On May 24 12:13 PM PastTense wrote:

    > But post bankruptcy, GM will still have the same incompetent management
    > and the same greedy unions. And the unions will have the controlling
    > stake the company (with the government deferring to them for political
    > reasons).
    >
    > In the future I also see the Chinese as developing as major competitors
    > to GM.
    >
    > And lots of people on Seeking Alpha don't see the economy recovering
    > much--and people won't be buying many new cars unless they see this
    > recovery.
    >
    > So I think following the OP's suggestion is too risky.
    May 25 03:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    If GM goes bankrupt your shares will be worth 0.


    On May 25 03:48 PM A Soliman wrote:

    > I have a question. If GM go bankruptcy, How much my stock will worth?
    > If I hold on the stocks and GM do well My GM shares will be worth
    > anything in 2-3 years? Please let me know. I bought 1000 shares @3.85
    > per share.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > aaasoliman@yahoo.com
    May 25 04:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    How can you even compare 2 years ago to 2 years in the future. It is looking to me that GM will be about 20% of what it used to be. They are selling all their assets.
    May 25 05:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    You'd be better buying shares in almost anything besides GM. They are almost a shoe-in for bankruptcy. The only hope you would have for anything on your money would be a lawsuit which probably would not go in your favor.
    May 25 05:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    Soliman: If you have shares in GM you should sell them immediately. They will likely soon be worth nothing.

    As I mention in this article, if you want to invest in autos, I think your best bet is to buy GM retail bonds, which will likely be converted in bankruptcy into shares of the new company.
    May 25 06:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    The guy above has a good point -- if they sell all their assets in bankruptcy, how will the new GM have anything to work with? Is there a bankruptcy provision to cancel out debts without crippling a new company, and if so won't that cut down on the return on these old bonds? Or am I confused between the two scenarios with GM avoiding bankruptcy and issuing new shares, vs. bankruptcy and bond holders getting cash.
    May 25 07:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    Anytime you invest there is a little thing called RISK!! I dont feel sorry for the bondholders at all!!! I do feel bad for all the hard working blue collar workers at the plants and dealerships that are closing just so GM can open up more plants in foreign countries and pay people 3 dollars a day!!!
    May 25 09:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    you forgot that even after wiping out the current bondholders there will be about $40bn of debt remaining (mostly US govt related and some senior secured). So if the mkt cap is $50bn - the enterprise value has to be $90bn - a number higher than even what GM itself was indicating was possible in Feb.
    May 25 09:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    I love my '07 chevy Impala, well built, lots of power and comfortable. I'd hate for Chevy to go away, it's an American Icon.
    The next few days will determine if the stockholders get something or nothing. If GM goes into BK, existing shares will be worthless. The bondholders will take what the judge gives them, along with all the other creditors. After that, the 100/1 reverse split will make the stock shortable to drive it further down.
    Good luck to the 10's of thousands of people depending on GM directly for their jobs and futures, that's what it's all about. To everyone else it's only money.
    May 25 09:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    I would like to change the 'it's only money' to 'it was money invested in the market, and people should realize that any money invested anywhere can be lost'.
    If GM goes the BK route, I would be fearful that the new government run company, Obamamotors, is somehow run by responsible people and not the elected elite.
    May 25 09:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    A smaller GM will not make any money. Might as well play taps for GM on this Memorial Day also.
    May 25 09:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    All you sinecured staff house bankers banging down the line, field and street dynamic in the US jurisdiction had better get over yourselves, NOW!!! Check it out: with N. Korea's Memorial Day weekend several kiloton heavy metal refined U238 fission maelstorm, y'all still beg the question: "Who ya gonna call, ghostbusters?!?" I mean, "free" trade and "free" markets are great, but I am still reminded of President McKinley's great statement of the late 19th century, directly prior to taking on the Spaniards in Cuba, to maintain reality in the Monroe Doctrine: "Why buy where you pay the cheapest; buy where you pay the easiest." In spite of the 2005 HP CEO harpy shriek: "There is no God-given right to an American job -- we're gonna right-shore your jobs," all this fully two years after USA DOD went into the Middle East and the mountains above South Asia to protect her corporation's, among others, subcontractors in the subcontinent, the SW flank of our major creditor, and bankers' trading routes -- see, kids, and you ARE kids -- none of you has done an honest day's labor in your whole stinkin' lives, it is so obvious from your ill-informed, coddled, protected perception of the world and the universe, here's how it works: event risk is alive and well, and I do not mean economic or fixed nominal micro-market event risk. There are those who take this on under the basis of duty, honor, country; nevertheless, let me assure you very quickly, though to a greater or lesser extent, it is always still somewhat in this following manner, at this point in the cycle, it is downright flagrant after all you TARP fund baby bubblers and baby boomer bubblers have been, at least to an unreasonable degree at this point in the cycle, given how badly you have crashed the ship of state up on the rocks, it is NOT, after all, duty, honor, AIG, GS, MACD, HAL, et al... You, in the sinecured house staff, had better hope that some semblance of a USA in-country equity production base, consumer discretionary, unit transportation modality, half-UCC encompassing corporate and working/earning/producing dynamic succeeds.... (hint: you are doomed without it). And of course it will work, without y'all deliberate subversion; after all, if USA DOD personnel deploy halfway around the world in-zone, at considerable personal risk, and sometimes ultimate and tragic sacrifice, of course this dynamic in-country USA working/earnings/produ... model will succeed -- at least with less house-staff sinecure subversion, that is! The vast majority of you out there who disparage working Americans, while you wave your Made in Taiwan American flags from your vicarious warrior armchairs and front under-the-table paid for swiftboaters on the jurisdiction, you need to take heed very quickly now: "You had your day, you had your play, now you got to pay, then go away." "Step up and take personal responsibility." "Love it or leave it, then beat it!" Line and field workers and enlisted personnel are NOT the cause of current unbearable cost of "production" (really y'all consumption/extraction, dievestment [sic] (spell it right, now!) burden of the four component price model; indeed, it is the static arbitrage gratuity on the equity side of the ledger that has subverted current US jurisdictional social and economic security, stability and safety. Again: "Step up and take personal responsibility; it happened on your watch." Your protectionist mandate using US citizen life and limb with treasure thereafter to protect what y'all coddled sinecured house staff incompetents and subversives grotesquely and gratuitously perceive as "free" (A. Smith pillowed redux) is worse than a joke; it is downright subversive and anti-American.
    May 25 11:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    The future value of your shares will be bugger all. A new issue will probably go along the lines of 2 new shares (or options) for every 1 share held (example only). Either way, the management of GM will try to dilute your holdings as much as possible in order to reduce debt. My advice to you would be to sell your shares now and buy them back once they re-float. Just remember, you are probably last in line to be paid in the event of bankruptcy proceedings. Employees will be paid first, then creditors, then bond holders, then what is left will be distributed amongst shareholders.


    On May 25 03:48 PM A Soliman wrote:

    > I have a question. If GM go bankruptcy, How much my stock will worth?
    > If I hold on the stocks and GM do well My GM shares will be worth
    > anything in 2-3 years? Please let me know. I bought 1000 shares @3.85
    > per share.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > aaasoliman@yahoo.com
    May 26 01:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    What is Scott Crolly talking about? Is his comment written in the english language? People need to proof read their post and use better sentence structure.
    May 26 08:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    It would be a mistake to think that the GM common stock will be worthless. It may have very little worth, but it will have value as a corporate shell with an immense tax loss. Back in the late 1960s when several railroads went bankrupt, the corporate shells were scooped up and were used to minimize taxes on profitable businesses.

    Penn Central became part of American Financial Group (AFG).

    I do not own any GM shares and own GM debt like the author. I think the debt is a better way to play this unfolding situation.
    May 26 08:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    forget GM it´s over, buy TATA MOTORS , that is the future for profit,
    1.1 billion Indians are waiting to buy an own car in the next years...
    for example: In Germany we have only 80 million people living......

    regards from Germany
    May 26 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    Short the calls. There's not much premium left on them, but the margin requirements on many of them are pretty light, too. I think the best way to play the General Motors bankruptcy is by shorting the September $2 calls. Even if they don't file, it's unimaginable to me that GM will hit $2 this year.
    May 26 11:29 AM | Link | Reply
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    I would like to kick my ex broker who told me the bonds were safe. I am retired and worked very hard all my life. Should I start over at 80. 25,000 is quite a bit to lose. Thanks to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, Fannie went south. Who can live on Social Security. Those dividents bought food and shelter. How many of us will have to ask our kids for help now? Some change. The change we need is to kick out the corrupt congressman. There salaries and expenses are too high. I haven't heard them talk about cuts.
    May 26 11:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Couple things:

    + "New GM" will have debt - VEBA, Govt and secured;
    + current debt is not securitized, it is unsecured;
    + The past is not prologue - many brands will be gone;
    + 30% based on a prorata allocation among creditors? What of the dealers, product liability, trade..... 30% is super optimistic.
    + $5B in profits? They dont even estimate that.
    + Obama Motors will ravage the debt.

    I am,

    Long GM Debt

    May 26 04:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    xoxoxo:

    You make a good point about the Gov debt, which is supposedly senior to the notes. However the US Gov is planning to forgive half of it in bankruptcy. It may end up being more than half.

    It also looks like the Gov is also gifting GM a few billion by taking up some of its warranty liability and subsidizing its suppliers. GM will also be getting below-market federal loans.

    As for the dealers, is a GM franchise really worth that much? Shutting down Oldsmobile cost GM a little more than $1 billion. Saab and Saturn are getting sold, and only Pontiac is being shut down.

    In the grand scheme of things I don't think the potential liability of the dealers will be material. Even if each closed franchise gets $1 million, that's still only 1100 * 1 million or 1.1 billion, and does not much affect my calculations. I think the actual number will turn out to be much lower than $1 million each, and of course whatever amount they get will be reduced by the bankruptcy court along with all the other creditors.

    Some of these 1100 dealers are truly small. One dealer that was getting shut down that was profiled in rural Arkansas had a vehicle inventory of only 36 vehicles. A lot of these dealers will just go bankrupt, and their major creditor will often be the now majority government owned GMAC, which it is hard to imagine aggressively pursuing GM based on speculative legal claims that it inherited from bankrupt dealers.
    May 26 04:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Take the GM bankruptcy as a signal to sell all your stocks - this rally can't last and GM will take the whole of Wall Street down with it, see:
    arabianmoney.net/2009/.../
    May 27 01:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    What a misdirected bunch of hot air. Get a life!!


    On May 25 11:49 PM Scott Croly wrote:

    > All you sinecured staff house bankers banging down the line, field
    > and street dynamic in the US jurisdiction had better get over yourselves,
    > NOW!!! Check it out: with N. Korea's Memorial Day weekend several
    > kiloton heavy metal refined U238 fission maelstorm, y'all still beg
    > the question: "Who ya gonna call, ghostbusters?!?" I mean, "free"
    > trade and "free" markets are great, but I am still reminded of President
    > McKinley's great statement of the late 19th century, directly prior
    > to taking on the Spaniards in Cuba, to maintain reality in the Monroe
    > Doctrine: "Why buy where you pay the cheapest; buy where you pay
    > the easiest." In spite of the 2005 HP CEO harpy shriek: "There is
    > no God-given right to an American job -- we're gonna right-shore
    > your jobs," all this fully two years after USA DOD went into the
    > Middle East and the mountains above South Asia to protect her corporation's,
    > among others, subcontractors in the subcontinent, the SW flank of
    > our major creditor, and bankers' trading routes -- see, kids, and
    > you ARE kids -- none of you has done an honest day's labor in your
    > whole stinkin' lives, it is so obvious from your ill-informed, coddled,
    > protected perception of the world and the universe, here's how it
    > works: event risk is alive and well, and I do not mean economic or
    > fixed nominal micro-market event risk. There are those who take this
    > on under the basis of duty, honor, country; nevertheless, let me
    > assure you very quickly, though to a greater or lesser extent, it
    > is always still somewhat in this following manner, at this point
    > in the cycle, it is downright flagrant after all you TARP fund baby
    > bubblers and baby boomer bubblers have been, at least to an unreasonable
    > degree at this point in the cycle, given how badly you have crashed
    > the ship of state up on the rocks, it is NOT, after all, duty, honor,
    > AIG, GS, MACD, HAL, et al... You, in the sinecured house staff, had
    > better hope that some semblance of a USA in-country equity production
    > base, consumer discretionary, unit transportation modality, half-UCC
    > encompassing corporate and working/earning/producing dynamic succeeds....
    > (hint: you are doomed without it). And of course it will work, without
    > y'all deliberate subversion; after all, if USA DOD personnel deploy
    > halfway around the world in-zone, at considerable personal risk,
    > and sometimes ultimate and tragic sacrifice, of course this dynamic
    > in-country USA working/earnings/produ... model will succeed -- at
    > least with less house-staff sinecure subversion, that is! The vast
    > majority of you out there who disparage working Americans, while
    > you wave your Made in Taiwan American flags from your vicarious warrior
    > armchairs and front under-the-table paid for swiftboaters on the
    > jurisdiction, you need to take heed very quickly now: "You had your
    > day, you had your play, now you got to pay, then go away." "Step
    > up and take personal responsibility." "Love it or leave it, then
    > beat it!" Line and field workers and enlisted personnel are NOT the
    > cause of current unbearable cost of "production" (really y'all consumption/extraction,
    > dievestment [sic] (spell it right, now!) burden of the four component
    > price model; indeed, it is the static arbitrage gratuity on the equity
    > side of the ledger that has subverted current US jurisdictional social
    > and economic security, stability and safety. Again: "Step up and
    > take personal responsibility; it happened on your watch." Your protectionist
    > mandate using US citizen life and limb with treasure thereafter to
    > protect what y'all coddled sinecured house staff incompetents and
    > subversives grotesquely and gratuitously perceive as "free" (A. Smith
    > pillowed redux) is worse than a joke; it is downright subversive
    > and anti-American.
    May 27 10:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    Also, please take your 'manic' meds


    On May 27 10:52 AM Call It Like It Is wrote:

    > What a misdirected bunch of hot air. Get a life!!
    May 27 10:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    Great call on the senior notes....... nice day yesterday!!!

    Any news on GRM specifically? My portfolio tracker shows this @ $0 this AM and all the other issues are still @ yesterday's close price. Just curious if GRM had any specific risks over and above the other issues.
    May 29 08:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    I feel people our stupid diehard GM people and now going to Japan.
    We need to support America and help build America not go to the competitors. We America our destroying America. and wonder why we don't make nothing. I know were not perfect but buy from are competitors only going take jobs for us and make jobs even worse.

    One more thing we have horrible management in America and Union is not much better.

    I think American people and the government are all going mad. We the tax payers our going own America and were going end up a socialist country.

    America needs to wake and smell the coffee.. We got spoiled lived beyond ours means and greed and we have only our self to look at.

    Want to know the answers is god, morals, values and ethics and that is gone and only few of us have that in us.

    Sad what happening to America
    Michael Just turned to the Independent Party
    Michael75065@Gmail.com


    On May 24 02:55 PM Swiftcreek1 wrote:

    > The biggest thing that this article fails to take into account is
    > exactly what we saw in the Chrysler bankruptcy.....The Government
    > abrogating 200 years of contract law. I wouldn't take a bond position
    > in GM at all, period. GM is going to lose market share as alot of
    > people are going to have a sour taste in their mouth about what the
    > Government has done in the case of Chrysler and what is bound to
    > happen with GM.....Ford will probably see at least a temporary bounce
    > since they stayed out of the Government bailout game. Talk to informed
    > people on the street and many of them will tell you that they will
    > NOT buy a GM or Chrysler simply because they view those companies
    > in an unfavorable light. Some of the people I've talked to were
    > diehard GM buyers until the Feds got involved and sworn to never
    > buy another GM vehicle. We cannot as investors ignore the laws of
    > unintended consequences.
    Jun 01 09:03 PM | Link | Reply