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Pending home sales (contracts signed but not closed) rose 6.7% for contracts signed in April. The April reading was 90.3 versus 87.5 in March. Low interest rates, lower home prices and government incentives were all factors in pushing up the index.
Of some interest was the geographical disparity in the numbers. From the National Association of Realtors:
The Pending Home Sales Index in the Northeast shot up 32.6 percent to 78.9 in April and is 0.8 percent above a year ago. In the Midwest the index rose 9.8 percent to 90.4 and is 11.1 percent above April 2008. The index in the South slipped 0.2 percent to 93.0 in April but is 3.5 percent higher than a year ago. In the West the index rose 1.8 percent to 94.8 but is 2.9 percent below April 2008.
That’s kind of odd. The West, particularly California, Arizona and Nevada, have seen sales soar over the past couple of months particularly in the lower cost segment of the market. Most of the gains have been fueled by new home buyers and investors. One has to wonder if the lower figures for the West might indicate that the sales surge in that region has any legs. We’ll see over the next couple of months.
On a related subject, Lennar, the nation's second largest shareholder, appears as if it’s going to get clearance from the bankruptcy court to buy up to a 15% in Newhall Ranch for $140 million. What makes this interesting is that in 2007 Lennar sold its interest in Newhall Ranch to the California Public Retirement System for $970 million. Newhall Ranch is one of the few parcels of developable residential land left in Southern California.
The retirement system's interest is now worth zero. Ouch!
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If the NAR were weather forecasters and they said "sunshine," I'd be grabbing for an umbrella.
Or to put it another way, screwed underwater homeowners need to start suing the real estate agents that told them that houses "always go up in value and never go down". Maybe a few multimillion dollar lawsuits will shut their lying traps...
OP
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On Jun 02 07:06 PM foobar wrote:
>
> bankers selling our childrens futures..for more bailouts? the disgrace.
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> If you fail U fail.
>
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> of GDP in 1952 to 350% of GDP today. The various bailout and stimulus
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>
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On Jun 02 07:06 PM foobar wrote:
>
> bankers selling our childrens futures..for more bailouts? the disgrace.
> it's horrible. too big to fail needs to fail. we neeed LESS bailouts.
> If you fail U fail.
>
> Total credit market debt as a percentage of GDP has risen from 130%
> of GDP in 1952 to 350% of GDP today. The various bailout and stimulus
> schemes enacted in the last year will drive this percentage above
> 400% in the near future. When a country allows this much debt to
> accumulate versus its GDP, they have done something seriously wrong.
> The country’s politicians, business leaders, and citizens have all
> contributed to this disaster.
>
> good articles: fly2.ws/9SdkpLU
On Jun 02 06:50 PM 2houndz wrote:
> Optimized Prime - two words - caveat emptor.
Realtors don't design mortgage products. They don't package them into neat little investment packages and sell them to investors and tell them they are safe investments. They don't underwrite insurance products that kick in when a default occurs.They don't rate the debt, either.
People went shopping because congress told the banks that
home ownership is the American dream-make it happen. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made it happen. Greenspan dropped interest rates. He helped make it happen.
The banks complied. Nobody forced a gun to the head of a person with no assets and said "You must buy a house you can't afford at a teaser rate".
I bet you there isn't a single realtor out there who ever heard of a tranche, until the banks blew up. And no, I'm not a realtor- I'm just wise enough to recognize sheer and utter bologna when I read it.
But the whole problem is we are nowhere near the bottom - inventories still extremely high, many more foreclosures to come, credit crunch very much there especially for impaired borrowers.
Home prices have fallen by a monthly average of 2.37% in the last 6 months. On a 400K home, you would lose the 8K tax credit in less than a month, so watch out.
Since 2007, the National Association of Realtors has been pushing the entire populace to purchase, while the market has continued to spiral downwards. This is irresponsible behavior. Nobody forces someone to buy a house, but some people are easily influenced, and this is why things like stop signs are a part of the law, and not just suggestions.
However, I think most people realize that realtors aren't the sole cause of blame, but many do bear responsibility for selling properties to their clients they KNEW could not afford them.
Your food chain analysis of the whole disaster is astute, but you're preaching to the choir.
On Jun 03 12:11 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Hah, hah, hah. Realtors did this? Here's a news flash:
> Realtors don't design mortgage products. They don't package them
> into neat little investment packages and sell them to investors and
> tell them they are safe investments. They don't underwrite insurance
> products that kick in when a default occurs.They don't rate the debt,
> either.
>
> People went shopping because congress told the banks that
> home ownership is the American dream-make it happen. Fannie Mae and
> Freddie Mac made it happen. Greenspan dropped interest rates. He
> helped make it happen.
> The banks complied. Nobody forced a gun to the head of a person with
> no assets and said "You must buy a house you can't afford at a teaser
> rate".
> I bet you there isn't a single realtor out there who ever heard of
> a tranche, until the banks blew up. And no, I'm not a realtor- I'm
> just wise enough to recognize sheer and utter bologna when I read
> it.
We live in a complicated world, and signing long term financial obligations with a 15th century comprehension of finance, and no clue what the documents state is plain stupid and inexcuseable.
On Jun 02 11:15 PM Lightway wrote:
> While your call for diligence is correct, the realtors and the banks
> were supposed to be the "adults" in these types of transactions.
> Many of these people had no idea what they were getting into.
And I'm convinced the banks knew that it would all end some day soon. Maybe they didn't foresee the magnitude of it. But their attitude was "let's get as much as we can as long as we can and deal with the consequences later."
They should be jailed.
The Investors/Speculators are supposed to know what they are doing, but again, many are not pro's, just folks who have been up late watching cable Real Estate Gurus selling CD's.
The FTHB's? Again, the most vulnerable economically, the least experienced, the "Hopeful", being allowed to purchase with zero down (thanks to the 8K tax credit monetized in advance) and used for down payment and closing costs.
Tell me what is different in this methodology now, than what we were doing before? Isn't this what supposedly got us here in the first place? When the government runs out of buyers do they just expand the customer universe like subprime lenders and the MBS/CDO freaks by loosening the guidelines?
Just sayin'
2. Mortgage contracts are simpler than lets’ say a credit card contract. No sudden arbitrary change in interest rates. In case of ARMs etc - it is very well defined - exact time and rate formula (Libor). So essentially exactly defined- no change in contract- so there is no excuse. The only thing we have is buyers’ remorse- as prices have fallen. And of course lots of undeserving people were granted loans- buyers and lenders lined up – that is what a bubble is. Both sides are to be blamed.
3. Wall Street mortgage securitizations: by some estimates private label mortgages (by Wall Street instead of Fannie) are 15% of all mortgages but 51% of seriously delinquent. So Wall Street screwed up big time, far more than much maligned GSEs
On Jun 03 12:07 PM 2houndz wrote:
> Why were they siging legal documents that they didn't understand?
> Sure, some people were frauds and deserve to go to jail, but a home
> is the average person's biggest investment, right? So why not pay
> an attorney 400 bucks to advise you in what you are doing?
>
> We live in a complicated world, and signing long term financial obligations
> with a 15th century comprehension of finance, and no clue what the
> documents state is plain stupid and inexcuseable.
There is a mix of people in foreclosure here:
1) People with questionable credit, who overleveraged, bought more house than they should have, and expected the price of their home to go up indefinitely. They hoped they could eventually refinance into an actual monthly payment they could afford. Now that home prices have busted, and their payments have skyrocketed, while their home value has plummeted, have chosen to walk away from their obligation.
2) People that could actually afford their home, but turned it into an ATM machine, to fuel their high-flying lifestyle, by taking out repeated HELOCs, and ballooning their debt to a point where the falling price of the home value now leaves them with tremendous debt they no longer want to pay, and a deflated asset they can no longer borrow against.
3) Speculative flippers, who were only in the game to take advantage of rising home prices, hoping to turn a quick buck. This group watched too much HGTV, complete with cash register sound effects, and huge dollar sign graphics promising dreams of money for a cost of a coat of paint, stainless appliances, granite countertops, and hardwood floors. Many are saddled with renovation bills that now cost more than the profit on their investment.
4) Naive buyers with questionable credit, low income, and massive leverage, who had no idea what they were getting into, who should have been screened out first by the real estate agent representing them, secondly by the bank, and thirdly, by the FHA. Three places where the transaction could have been stopped but it wasn't. Do you really think this type of buyer considers, or even has any idea, what the Libor rate is? Many of these cases are outright fraud.
5) Good buyers who put that 20% down, purchased a house priced 3 times gross income, had good credit, and even had the elusive 6 months emergency fund. Maybe they lost their job, they or someone in their family got into a major accident, and now are saddled with a financial burden that takes years to make up. This group is now one of the fastest growing groups defaulting, made up of prime borrowers, who are now paying the price for a down economy. They did thing the right way and are paying the price of others' greed.
So you can see, there is a wide spectrum of buyers, across all walks of life, not just "good guys," and "bad guys."
Personally, 1-3, I could care less about. But 4-5 are the groups who do deserve some kind of assistance. They were either naive or just fell on hard times, and greed had absolutely nothing to do with their situation.
On Jun 03 12:07 PM 2houndz wrote:
> Why were they siging legal documents that they didn't understand?
> Sure, some people were frauds and deserve to go to jail, but a home
> is the average person's biggest investment, right? So why not pay
> an attorney 400 bucks to advise you in what you are doing?
>
> We live in a complicated world, and signing long term financial obligations
> with a 15th century comprehension of finance, and no clue what the
> documents state is plain stupid and inexcuseable.