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By Chris McKhann
There was plenty of talk yesterday about the gap between oil and natural gas, and it attracted the option traders.
Oil has been much discussed in the press as its price has rebounded sharply, but the fact that natural gas has not been doing the same garnered attention yesterday. Traders may not want to play the futures, but they can use options in exchange traded funds such as the U.S. Oil Fund (USO) and the U.S. Natural Gas Fund (UNG).
The UNG options had 148,000 contracts turn over yesterday, more than twice the 20-day average, and presumably driven by all of the talk of "underpriced" natural gas.
The USO has roughly followed course (or the lead?) of the equity markets, as it has climbed from a low of $22.74 back in late February to its current price of $37.69, its highest close since December. UNG, on the other hand, hit its low of $12.69 on April 30. It has been rallying but closed yesterday at just $14.57 after posting a lower high last week.
The theory is that natural gas will have to rebound with oil, and some are using options to make that play. Of course, even if the thinking is correct -- which it hasn't been so far -- the timing could be dangerously off, especially when using options.
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This article has 25 comments:
On Jun 05 02:46 PM buyforeclosures wrote:
> zorro hit it on the head...there is a REASON for the dislocation.
> NG supplies just here in the US are huge and will last for a VERY
> long time. You can't say that about oil. Oil will run out a century
> before NG is ever in danger. I expect NG to get back to the 3.40
> 3.50 range and if the canadians are right it will go lower thsi summer.
> But at 3.50 I am willing to go long and hold it into higher demand
> winter where we may see $5 + and a nice profit. UNG was at buy in
> the mid to low 13's and I will wait for the pullback. Its low was
> 12.69 and it could retest that this summer
On Jun 05 08:34 PM hipway wrote:
> contango......
I am long 8500 shares @ $13.85
If I had to guess, I suspect we are temporarily in a trading range of $13.50-$16.00. However, it may now have resistance around $15. Since volume has been good, we could give it some weight. But we need to see what happens when the dollar stabilizes a bit.
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HardToLove
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> So if the downside on NG is $3.25 or so, which is a 15-30% drop,
> can we say UNG has a similar downside potential of 15-20%? at $12.00
> or so?
I'm new at all this, but have been recently investigating this for additional investment/trading. My take is if we get any kind of a bounce up, even intra-day, take some profits.
Again, I'm a n00b, so be suspicious of my thoughts on it.
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> And how long could that low be actually sustained before supply
> starts dropping off and demand starts increasing, thus raising prices?
Supply has already started dropping off. But as of last month, only 54% reduction in operating wells had been achieved off the very large numbers of operating wells developed over the last couple of years. With calls for milder hurricane season, continuing economic deterioration, pressure on the consumer (raising thermostats in summer, lowering in the winter), congress/BHO apparently favoring liquified coal over NG (congress working on energy bills now, so with luck that will change), ... I think demand will be slow to develop.
Your 15-30% might be too conservative, or not. But I believe, for the near-term, it really depends on how much more pain the producers can withstand. There are some long-term developments that *might* come to fruition a couple years out. Then a really big demand can come into play.
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> I am long 8500 shares @ $13.85
Really long-term, I think that's not bad. Short-term, you're tying up capital that might be more productively deployed. If, like me, you have a tendancy to wnat to support your biases ("green energy"), you may be investing emotionally. I have to really watch myself on that.
HardToLove
HTL
On Jun 06 12:39 PM MikeyLV wrote:
> With regard to options, the question is if the January 2011 date
> gives enough time for a profitable move.
I resisted the urge to post anything - I'm sure it wouldn't have been very constructive if I had posted.
HardToLove
On Jun 06 05:39 PM dmz50 wrote:
> We need to use OUR ng instead of THERE oil, damnit. Wheres all the
> smart people in this country besides T Boone Pickens.
Further, there are other initiatives underway in the public/private sector that are already implemented or currently under deployment that replace gas/diesel with NG.
In my opinion there is a good chance that this is going to spread rapidly over the long term. Short-term, I'm bearish on NG because of the stress of economic conditions. Change takes initial investment and a focus on the issue. Right now the money is not going to be available and the focus will be on more pressing issues.
HardToLove
On Jun 06 09:39 PM Bluechippie wrote:
> Someone start a petition for the country's public transport system
> to be running on NG instead of oil. Capitol hill has to wake up and
> act decisively. Hail Pickens
You are right, Hydrogen fuel is the future bet.
China is now letting Greenchek Technology Co to set up
manufacturing facility in their backyard right now.
Greenchek Technology (GCHK) is specialized in Hydrogen fuel etc etc. Won't be long the USA will be behind in this field again.
Even Canada is talking about this subject now.
SA WARNING, AVOID AT ALL COST.
agree with you 100%.
very good suggestions.
Regards,Ian
On Jun 07 12:31 AM drooyrich wrote:
> Trqnsport system on NG ? Thats what we are already doing in europe;
> sales of private cars equipped with NG have gone up by 75% last month
> in Italy; I am long NG through NHU.TO and plan to add as soon as
> the 4.5 on the nymex contract...technicals are incredibly bullish
> (never seen so much technical bullishness in a stock) - see you at
> >6 for a >200% profit
On Jun 07 11:35 AM elliot_mllr wrote:
> There is a better alternative than buying or shorting UNG or the
> actual gas futures. If you are concerned that we will have a surplus
> of gas for some time why not buy a gas storage MLP such as Inergy
> (seekingalpha.com/symbo...) which also sells propane and
> has a very nice yield? Or if you think that prices and therefore
> drilling will increase why not buy mid-stream MLPs which transport
> and process gas (ETE,ETP, EPD, CPNO, etc.) and provide a nice yield?
Two things: MLPs at tax time cause more work, *but* there is a tax advantage, if I understand correctly. Dividends are counted as return of capital until you investment amount has been returned. Thereafter, they get the dividend treatment.
I'm not a tax professional, so be sure you do DD of your own. OH! And if you are trading in an IRA, you don't get this tax advantage, but I would *guess* you wouldn't have the extra tax filing paperwork.
The ones I've heard recommend that seem to really know suggest using it in a non-tax-advantaged account so that you get the benefits of the MLP treatment.
HardToLove
Even if you don't, the growth of China will undoubtedly be positive for NG. Why? For China to grow it needs resources which Canada has aplenty. Potash, Oil Sands, Petrochemicals etc all need Nat Gas as a fuel for production.
We may not ship the stuff directly but that's not quite the whole story.