Oil: Up to $200 or Down to $25? 17 comments
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It is worrying for oil producers when the Russian President Dimitri Medvedev talks of $150 oil because it is so reminiscent of the $250 a barrel forecast last summer. A little hubris often comes before a fall.
Oil got down to $33 a barrel last December. Could another fall be on the cards this autumn? Two things drive the oil market: speculation and fundamentals. It has been the speculators who have taken over the market since December and ramped oil prices back up despite the fundamentals of the worse recession since the Second World War. It is almost as though government bailout and stimulus money has been redirected back into the oil markets to cause this primary inflation. Well, it certainly could be that cheap money from the Fed has been put to good use gambling on rising oil prices. The problem surely is that this surge in oil prices is self-defeating. Let us not forget that it was the spike in oil prices to $147 last July that preceded the collapse in financial markets last autumn. Oil prices and recessions have long been close associates. As oil prices rise that places an additional cost burden on industry, transportation and consumers. And the impact is huge. The recent oil price rises could well have entirely offset all the global bailouts and stimulus packages since last autumn. Indeed, surely here we can see the cause of the next down leg in this Great Recession. Oil prices are a tax on the global economy that it can not afford to bare, and demand will tumble as a result. British Airways has warned of a ‘fight for survival’ because of higher fuel prices on top of a global slump, energy prices will also go up for consumers already saving more and so they will spend even less and industry will struggle to pass on the additional cost, hitting profits. Are higher oil prices therefore unsustainable in the short term? Will speculators then rush for the exit and drive prices down even below levels seen last December? It certainly seems possible, even likely. For oil producers then only compensation is that this false recovery shows just how well prices are going to perform one day when a real recovery arrives as it must in due course.
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That means that all future increases of comsumption will come from other sources, sun, nuclear, wind etc. and that is for a retrograde country in energy matters, Europe is well ahead and the prediction is for a net reduction in the absolute level of energy comming from oil, that leaves developing countries with the burden of absorbing future oil prices.
Huge new fields are now in the pipeline, from Brazil (next oil power) to Russia (not to say that Saudis has been without exploration for decades), other fields in Falkland and South Atlantic also looks promising.
A 80-120 dollars in real terms for the next 20 years seems a realistic approach, this oil speculation using TARP funds will explode soon and a new scandal in relation with lack or low level regulation will arise....we ll see.
Regards.
If Obama becomes concerned speculators are driving oil prices above what supply and demand considerations support, he could repeat Clinton's maneuver, enough to drive prices down to levels consistent with sustained economic recovery.
Free market capitalism relies on market participants to allocate resources in the best interests of the economy. Unfortunately speculators manipulate markets, creating economic inefficiencies. Government intervention is one possible way to deal with this problem.
BS, this is mostly just the usual price manipulation.
recessions. This needs to be recognized.
As for the oil price going down into the bargain basement range, forget about it - unless of course those good OPEC people spend so much time in my favorite 'gin-joint' in Vienna that they forget about how much power they have.
First, the SPR only holds approximately 700 million barrels. Second, Clinton may have released 30 million barrels.
A little over two day supply.
That's not even a blip on the radar screen.
What absolute rubbish - the author has completely ignored the supply side of the equation. Because of the financial crisis current, and even more so, future production of energy has been drastically affected to the downside.
Wall Street speculators were in control of the market prior to December and drove prices to an unsustainably low levels. Late in 2008, there was ample talk around the globe about how the NYMEX contract was being manipulated lower to help the US economy. At the time, major global players were looking for a better alternative to NYMEX contracts which "no longer reflected fundamentals."
During the oil price shock of 2008, oil prices were spiralling higher while the market was well-supplied. More recently, despite the massive global supply overhang, weak demand and evidence of deepening recession in Europe especially in the OECD countries, oil prices were surging higher, challenging the US$70 per barrel mark.
As l held in my recent post there may well be an oil price shock when the global economy rebounds from the current recession, but save for extenuating circumstances (war or equivalent, outages etc), such shock is unlikely to hold any fundamental support.
The 30 year prediction might Very well be true, because of something that seems to have slipped by the mainstream media: Amidst all the furious funding in the Stimulus Bill (Which I do NOT support), EMCC's "Whiffleball" got funded.
This the immediate descendent of the late Dr. R. W. Bussard's concept of a compact, relatively cheap fusion energy plant. Web search "pollywell" for a general theoretical overview.
I find the physics of this model compelling, and I suspect we we may be getting an economically significant percentage of power from the descendants of this program within 20 years (it would be sooner, but government entanglements do tend to draw things out).
> Bill Clinton ... released 30 billion barrels...
Right, but that wasn't oil....
j.b.
On Jun 07 06:54 AM Tom Armistead wrote:
> Bill Clinton tapped the Strategic Petroleum Reserve during his presidency
> with oil around 30 per barrel. He released 30 billion barrels, with
> the recipients obigated to return it when prices became more favorable.
> The market retreated.
>
> If Obama becomes concerned speculators are driving oil prices above
> what supply and demand considerations support, he could repeat Clinton's
> maneuver, enough to drive prices down to levels consistent with sustained
> economic recovery.
>
> Free market capitalism relies on market participants to allocate
> resources in the best interests of the economy. Unfortunately speculators
> manipulate markets, creating economic inefficiencies. Government
> intervention is one possible way to deal with this problem.
Over the road trucks have been using biodiesel fuel mixes for years. Biodiesel has approximately the same BTU content as petroleum and runs and burns much cleaner. Less maintenance and less pollution.
Railroad locomotives can run on biodiesel mixes, and they have been successfully tested on jet aircraft by several airlines and the USAF, and tested in large marine engines successfully.
I think we need to get algae derived biodiesel in the market and end our dependence on oil. I think it is one thing we can do that would make more difference in the economy than any other single thing.
Probably the effect was more psychological than real. There was a huge debate about Bush continuing to fill the SPR while the 2008 energy bubble was inflating. The amounts involved were trivial, but the message was, we aren't going to stop this thing.
On Jun 07 12:06 PM Gravity404 wrote:
> Tom - "Bill Clinton tapped the Strategic Petroleum Reserve...He released
> 30 billion barrels, with the recipients obigated to return it when
> prices became more favorable. The market retreated."
>
> First, the SPR only holds approximately 700 million barrels. Second,
> Clinton may have released 30 million barrels.
>
> A little over two day supply.
>
> That's not even a blip on the radar screen.
There was a big push to double the size of the SPR when prices were above $120. This would have been huge for EPC companies like KBR, HAL, JEC, etc, but I have not heard about it for a while.
Oil will always be cyclical. So, to me, it makes sense to build the infastructure and fill that baby up when oil's below $50, not when we hit $140 again - which we will at some point.
It all sounds good when the talking heads are up for re-election.