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The second anniversary of the credit crisis has arrived and, in the light of the plethora of fiscal and monetary policy initiatives, it makes for interesting reading to reflect upon how the U.S. economic landscape has changed since the start of the crunch.

• Fed funds rate: down from 5.25% to zero

• Fiscal deficit: up from 2% to 13%

• Mortgage rates: down from 6.5% to 4.7%

• Home affordability: 70% improvement

• Fed’s balance sheet: up from $850 billion to $2 trillion

Yes, the Fed has tried just about everything, and yet real GDP growth is negative at about 5% and the unemployment rate has doubled to almost 10% over the past two years.

David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist of Gluskin Sheff & Associates, points out that there is one policy tool that is practically unchanged since two years ago … the U.S. dollar:

It is the only policy tool that has not budged one iota since the crisis erupted two years ago. But we are sure that as the unemployment rate makes new highs and increasingly poses a political hurdle in a mid-term election year, it would make perfect sense for a country that always operates in its best interest - even if it may not be in everyone’s best interest - to sanction a U.S. dollar devaluation as a means to stimulate the domestic economy.

It follows that Rosenberg is of the opinion the greenback has significant downside potential. He therefore suggests that investors should start thinking about protecting their portfolios against a declining dollar by taking positions in commodities, gold, the Canadian dollar, resource stocks and U.S. sectors that have high foreign exposure (materials, industrials, staples, health care).

For more on the most likely short-term direction of the U.S. dollar, Adam Hewison’s (INO.com) short technical analysis provides valuable insight. Click here to access the presentation. (Adam also covered the outlook for gold bullion in a recent analysis. Click here to view his outlook for the yellow metal.)

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    Great article. I think the USD is the only weapon.

    The US needs inflation to erode the economic value of its debt, a weaker USD to help exports and reduce the trade deficit and another 6-12 months of loose monetary policy to force the economy into positive growth.

    The USD is the only tool for this isn't it?
    Jul 20 07:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Next weapon? Are you forgetting the Fed already announced its purchase of $300B in treasuries? That was a huge number not too long ago. And buying $850B of mortgage bonds that nobody else wants...I would call that devaluing the dollar.

    It is a dangerous weapon because the many of the staples that the average American relies on are cheap when we have a strong dollar (oil, petro-plastics, petro-fertilizers, textiles). There will be inflationary pressure caused by both more dollars in the money supply and increased price of imports due to devaluation. However, I expect China to print more Yuan to keep buying dollars. Let the race to the bottom begin...
    Jul 20 08:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    give me control of a nation's money and i care not who makes its' laws. a paraphrase.
    Jul 20 08:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    I believe a case can be presented that there is already a quiet, unstated policy in effect to sanction a U.S. dollar devaluation as a means to stimulate the domestic economy . . . whether by having implemented a round of quatitative easing or other global market players quietly moving away from the US dollar as the world currency reserve . . . it has just not yet been honestly reflected on 'the books'.
    Jul 20 08:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    The excessive indebtedness of many consumers and other private sector economic participants calls for aggressive fiscal stimulus and some easing of the dollar's relative value, especially in relation to the managed currencies of China and other East Asian countries. China seems to resist this for now, having discontinued its managed appreciation of the yaun versus the dollar over the last 8-9 months.
    Jul 20 08:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    A persistent deflation destroys tax receipts, employment, banks; it brings the army home from 120 countries; it throws the dependency class into the street. Who truly believes that deflation would be allowed to persist? It's madness.

    Once the current jawboning green shoots nonsense is shown to be...nonsense, of course they will debase the dollar.
    Jul 20 08:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    Don't they understand that as we debase the dollar the rest of the currencies will do what ever it takes to follow us. This would just be an acceleration of the race to the bottom for all of the currencies. No one can afford to have the highest valued currency.

    "Fiat protectionism" if you will, that will have the same effect as closing boarders to trade during the great depression. The end result could be the total destruction of fiat.

    A big game of every country playing chicken with their currencies. Who ever pulls up first suffers from their overpriced currency. Who ever pulls up last, well that's not gonna be good either.
    Jul 20 08:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    The EU is in worse shape than the US. Devaluation will be a race to the bottom.
    Jul 20 08:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    Domestic exports? What "exports"?

    Apparently politicians, the Fed, the Treasury and the pundits have not bothered to drive through their local industrial parks.

    Do it, then follow it up with a few runs through office buildings.

    What they would see if they bothered is that THERE IS NO DOMESTIC ANYTHING anymore.

    Mott's Apple Juice is made in China. I'm still waiting for Kraft to tell me where my kid's Mac n Cheese is manufactured.

    We don't have much to "export" other than our natural resources to China. Well, that and debt. We do seem to have a surplus of debt we could send off shore.

    "Free trade" with the third world has decimated our wealth production and middle class.

    Yet the experts keep hoping (beyond hope) that somehow the handful of items we still make here will manage to prop up our entire economy.
    Jul 20 09:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    Can we export the uninsured and 48% who don't pay income taxes?


    On Jul 20 09:18 AM TeresaE wrote:

    > Domestic exports? What "exports"?
    >
    > Apparently politicians, the Fed, the Treasury and the pundits have
    > not bothered to drive through their local industrial parks.
    >
    > Do it, then follow it up with a few runs through office buildings.
    >
    >
    > What they would see if they bothered is that THERE IS NO DOMESTIC
    > ANYTHING anymore.
    >
    > Mott's Apple Juice is made in China. I'm still waiting for Kraft
    > to tell me where my kid's Mac n Cheese is manufactured.
    >
    > We don't have much to "export" other than our natural resources to
    > China. Well, that and debt. We do seem to have a surplus of debt
    > we could send off shore.
    >
    > "Free trade" with the third world has decimated our wealth production
    > and middle class.
    >
    > Yet the experts keep hoping (beyond hope) that somehow the handful
    > of items we still make here will manage to prop up our entire economy.
    Jul 20 09:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    Great idea! Our captains of industry under the guise of "free markets" have produced so many of them.
    Perhaps we could export all the failed bankers and CEOs who melted away into the woodwork with most of their loot after bankrupting their companies and shafting their investors, all in the name of juicing short-term profits.

    On Jul 20 09:40 AM The Geoffster wrote:

    > Can we export the uninsured and 48% who don't pay income taxes?<br/>
    Jul 20 09:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    The dollar is a pretty weak "weapon" don't you think? Perhaps we should print another trillion ( out of thin air). It's done wonders to devalue our "weapon" so far, 'eh?
    Jul 20 10:25 AM | Link | Reply
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    This weapon has already been in use with the Fed's quantitative easing. The government issues Treasury Bills and the Fed buys them with newly printed money to fund government spending. We haven't felt the effects yet because banks are still sitting on a ton of cash. That weapon doesn't do anything if the banks are still not lending and people are saving and not spending, unless of course the Fed wants to fly a plane across the country and dump dollars out the window.
    Jul 20 10:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    If the US government aided the devaluation of the dollar, wouldn't the US governments creditors regard the action as a deliberate attempt to avoid the payment of debt? And if such devaluation was done to a significant degree wouldn't some creditors consider it an act of war?

    The arguments presented in the above article do make sense, but I think that conclusions are being drawn in a very narrow way that does not consider the interests of all parties, and how those interests will affect the government's decision making.

    While I do agree that a reasonable hedge against the dollar is wise, I think the extreme devaluation that some are expecting is unlikely any time soon.
    Jul 20 11:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    I honestly don't believe that a straight devaluation is likely in the near future. As others have pointed out, a more indirect devaluation through QE and other means is already underway.
    Things would have to get much, much worse before they play that card, mainly since other countries could easily respond in kind, making the effectiveness quite questionable.
    With that said, the long-term plan is obviously to devalue the dollar in an orderly manner over multiple years. There is no other course that makes sense considering the crushing public and private debt.
    Doing this in the traditional manner of recent decades where incremental monetary inflation is applied is their preferred method, since it is hard for voters to notice (frog boiling in a pot?). Doing it through outright devaluation is impossible to hide.
    Jul 20 12:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    Obama should replace Bernanke and Geithner, their both corrupted.
    Bernanke ask, Geithner for more money so AIG wouldn't have to go bankrupt. So, they could have a substitute situation.
    This come out of the mouth of the vice chairman, of the feds when
    being question by a committee. And he said most people didn't know this, because they didn't advertise it.
    Jul 20 12:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    If it were 1959, throwing our weight around via the dollar to make everything right with the world would have been the weapon and strategy of choice. 50 years later in 2009, we are a weakened nation that is morally and fiscally bankrupt having already debased our currency by fighting three expensive wars, financing a welfare state with much of the population dependent on a free government hand-out (Medicaid and disability SSI), voluntarily debasing the dollar against the majors in the 1985 Plaza Accord, and a soaring national debt is a result of this current war and stimulus spending is over 80% of GDP. Why? Because we can't mind our own damn business in foreign affairs (by still spending like its 1959) and are content to incentivize people to lay around and not be an upstanding contributor to society. If we continue on this reckless spending path, the dollar will lose its world reserve currency status, guranteed! If the dollar falls, the US falls. The way to destroy a nation is through its currency. That's not opinion, that's a fact.
    Jul 20 12:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    The US economy desparately needs a weaker US dollar. This is one of the easiest "low hanging fruit" ways to stimulate the economy.

    Summers and Co. are ignoring the obvious - neomercantilism works, like it or not. Even if the US doesn't aggressively push for competitive devaluation, it should at least push for balanced trade.
    Jul 20 01:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    the author is so far behind the curve. I have been saying this is the paln for months. all one needs to do is look at what they do, not what they say. bailout banks, destroy the dollar and the savings of hundreds of millions. they are all traitors
    Jul 20 02:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    Their plans will beggar the dollar, then tax the phantom foreign profits.
    Jul 20 02:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    You got it. The US Dollar is toast. Today is a nice example. I'll take my dollars extra-crispy. Actually, you have to shed your dollars and buy some stocks or other currencies or commodities.
    Jul 20 03:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Maybe the thing to do is to start exporting GS bankers... they are making money. The way the current environment goes this will appeal to main streat America as well.


    On Jul 20 09:18 AM TeresaE wrote:

    > Domestic exports? What "exports"?
    >
    > Apparently politicians, the Fed, the Treasury and the pundits have
    > not bothered to drive through their local industrial parks.
    >
    > Do it, then follow it up with a few runs through office buildings.
    >
    >
    > What they would see if they bothered is that THERE IS NO DOMESTIC
    > ANYTHING anymore.
    >
    > Mott's Apple Juice is made in China. I'm still waiting for Kraft
    > to tell me where my kid's Mac n Cheese is manufactured.
    >
    > We don't have much to "export" other than our natural resources to
    > China. Well, that and debt. We do seem to have a surplus of debt
    > we could send off shore.
    >
    > "Free trade" with the third world has decimated our wealth production
    > and middle class.
    >
    > Yet the experts keep hoping (beyond hope) that somehow the handful
    > of items we still make here will manage to prop up our entire economy.
    Jul 20 04:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    First of all, the U.S. Dollar has been the weapon of the Federal Reserve from it's very first beginning. The whole point with the Federal Reserve that ot can control the money supply and thereby the whole economy.

    Second, by devalueing the currency you don't actually solve the crisis, you merely push it into the future and eventually we are back on square on, with one difference: the crisis has now been blown up to an even greater extent.
    Jul 20 04:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    How does devaluing your currency help your economy? It is rather evident it helps trade, however, besides this how does it stimulate an economy?
    Jul 20 05:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Add to that, if people don't want dollars we have a currency crisis like argentina. they are all traitors.


    On Jul 20 05:07 PM Greenville wrote:

    > How does devaluing your currency help your economy? It is rather
    > evident it helps trade, however, besides this how does it stimulate
    > an economy?
    Jul 20 06:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    It has been done. You mean devalue more? Is there no sin to black to not be considered. This is a decaying series: beggar thy neighbor is mercantilism in it most destructive form . Once it starts the whole damned world caves in. We should struggle to compete with a stable, metals backed currency and let the bodies fall where they may.
    Jul 20 07:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have 100,000 liras from Italy. Calculate how much gold this can buy :) and you can see where the dollar is going jejejeje
    Jul 20 07:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    this weapon has two edges - and its devaluation will cause as much problem as benefit (inability to finance debt). it will also cause a net outflow of wealth from the usa further exasperating todays situation.
    Jul 20 07:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    War is the only thing that will save us from the inevitable systemic collapse brought about by several decades of outsourcing manufacturing and any real value-added production other than food, entertainment and software/IP. We're still good at making airplpanes, submarines and cruise missles, though.

    We spend almost on our military as the rest of the world combined. Plus we have quite a few unemployed 18 - 30 year olds that have registered for the Selective Service...

    So if a foreign dollar holder wants to declare war, bring it on! We need it, quite honestly, a real knock-down, drag-out, toe-to-toe war, not the drive around the desert, bring freedom and democracy BS war we've been slow-bleeding with for the past 8 years.

    If one looks at the late 20's as a guide, however, we are still about 10 years out from WWIII.

    On Jul 20 11:24 AM Gary Griswold wrote:

    > If the US government aided the devaluation of the dollar, wouldn't
    > the US governments creditors regard the action as a deliberate attempt
    > to avoid the payment of debt? And if such devaluation was done to
    > a significant degree wouldn't some creditors consider it an act of
    > war?
    >
    > The arguments presented in the above article do make sense, but I
    > think that conclusions are being drawn in a very narrow way that
    > does not consider the interests of all parties, and how those interests
    > will affect the government's decision making.
    >
    > While I do agree that a reasonable hedge against the dollar is wise,
    > I think the extreme devaluation that some are expecting is unlikely
    > any time soon.
    Jul 20 07:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Porn.
    Sadly, we export porn.

    Instead of monetary games, Congress should be crushing the unions and trial lawyers who gamed the corporations. Foreign earnings should be taxed. Domestic workers should be taxed little to nothing on wages. Only one thing can create wealth: Manufacturing takes worthless goo from the ground, modifies it into a "resource," and the value-added labor gets spread around.

    Without industry, the manipulation of the dollar (or Euro) is a short-term trick, because fiat currency rots by its nature.

    But in the meantime, we do export porn.
    (sigh)


    On Jul 20 09:18 AM TeresaE wrote:

    > Domestic exports? What "exports"?
    Jul 20 08:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    how long do you think this government can spend the way it has been , without having some huge downfall?

    I really think that a collapse is coming, probably within the next ten years. everyone talks about how are economy is recovering, but i only think that that is temporary. china and russia are getting tired of the dollar.
    this recession is like no other, the circumstances are far different than any other, people dont seem to understand that.

    the dollar has been losing its value for awhile, and as for the fed, screw them! they will only speed up america's downfall.
    Jul 20 09:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    The fed already has been devaluating the dollar unfortunately, reversing the natural tendency for it to appreciate. By doing so, they have unintentionally shot themselves in the foot with regards to reversing their push to further lower interest rates. Doing more, they will find that they won't be able to float long term treasuries in the market anymore unless they raise their interest rate by 1-2% this crashing the US market again.

    Thus I wouldn't put it past them. The Fed tends to keep doing the same maligned things until they crash the market. That seems to be their modus operandi.
    Jul 21 02:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    the u.s. economy is hardly competitive and a net importer. devaluing the dollar will simply increase the pressure on the domestic consumers. i tend to think it will be a devaluation as a byproduct of past policy decisions than a devaluation per se.
    Jul 21 04:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    ALOHA !!

    The Us government and the US FED can spew out tailored data to make anything look good. Naturally employment is a key factor in the economy and it has a major role as to a sovereign's ability to service its debt. This is like dominoes ... If employment is down then tax revenues are down, so not only are small businesses struggling under such circumstances but the ripple effects end up on the US TREASURY'S bottom line. Once that becomes a trend then a sovereign credit rating comes into play, whether officially announced or not.

    I really do not care what the "official" unemployment rate is since there are so many versions of unemployment calculations they become worthless. One fact is clear and that is if the BLS used U7 rate like they did in 1994 to measure unemployment then America would be sitting at 21% unemployment right now. I cannot speak for others here but I personally have never known so many relatives, friends and associates who are either unemployed or under-employed in all my life.

    Lets measure employment using tax revenue growth rates.

    - Q4/2008 drops down to -2% growth from Q3 of +2.75% growth.
    - Q1/2009 drops to -6.5% growth from -2%.
    - Q2/2009 drops to -9.2% growth from -6.5%.
    - Q3/2009 drops to -14% growth from - 9.2%.

    I see a pattern ... Now the last time these growth rates slid into negative territory was in 2002 when the USDX was at 120. By using these growth rates it is obvious that the USDX is in another down leg like it was in 2002 when the USDX was at 120. The USDX slid from 120 in 2002 down to 80 in 2005, a 40 point drop. In Q1/2009 the USDX peaked at 89 so a similar 2002 move down would give the USDX a 40 handle within two years. Definitely Q1 2009 validated the Q4/2008 negative growth rate trend and it has been downhill ever since for tax revenues and that will point to a downtrend in the USDX that I believe history will record began in 2009.

    Given the massive US DEBT load and the Crony Socialist governments of the past decades there can be no other direction for such a system to morph other than more debt USSR style and we all know how that ended. A Russian tank blew a hole right through the Communist Party Headquarters with a drunken Yeltsin swinging form the gun turret. As far as I can see that is about the only thing that would awaken the US Congress from their stupor is a hole in the Rotunda! My point is, even as I have veered offtrack into politicos, is that OBAMA has no other choice than to increase spending.

    Now in 1908 there existed a similar situation as we have now, except that 1908 was prior to 1913, so the US FED did not yet exist. Back then Lindberg, the famous aviator, had his Father in Congress, Charles A. Lindberg, who coined the term MONEY TRUST. Follow along and we get to FDR and in 1933 he defaulted to gold and by 1935 FDR was looking at weak inflation instead of deflation. Fast forward to Bernanke at Princeton and he reiterates the exact same FDR devaluation policy to the letter in numerous speeches. So Bernanke knows his monetary history, he just doesn't make it public like he used to when all he had to worry about is tenure at Princeton. There is something to be said about the comfort and safety of academia.

    So in reality this is a monetary crisis ... and in every monetary crisis it is "confidence" that is the last straw.

    Ever since Rubin there has been this STRONG DOLLAR POLICY mantra at the US TREASURY. Well, just a few months ago Geithner carried on the mantra at the Beijing Improv, where his STRONG DOLLAR stand-up act met with much laughter from Chinese students. So if Chinese, 20 something, students find the US STRONG DOLLAR POLICY a joke what must the Communist leaders know?

    The US TREASURY outlays spell it out loud and clear ...

    "Government is essentially the negation of Liberty." - Ludwig Von Mises

    "GOVERNMENT IS ONLY AS HONEST AS ITS MONEY" - Me
    Jul 21 05:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    A weaker dollar, followed by the introduction of a broad-based consumption tax - the only solution. I wouldn't be suprised if this is their plan out of the deficit trap.
    Jul 21 06:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    The US economy has been bleeding money in terms of its balance of payments deficit primarily to the Far East. As long as they recycled this money through buying US treasuries and debt it kept the US on life support.

    Was the US obliged to bail out AIG and subsequently the foreign counter parties? Well it's what China has been doing for the last decade - bailing out America.
    Jul 21 09:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    Yours and my weapon is gold.
    Jul 21 09:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    Not sure how conducive this site is to discussion, but....

    A weaker dollar helps trade, with additional benefits
    1) makes it easier for domestic producers to compete with foreign companies (and stay in business)
    2) increases the wealth of the country vis-a-vis foreigners.

    Several major economies have deliberately maintained a weak currency for some time. Japan has for decades. Ditto Taiwan. China has more recently pursued the policy, but much more aggressively. Russia is building up its reserves for geopolitical purposes. Brazil does not actively seek a trade surplus but does actively prevent investment inflows from giving it a trade deficit.

    In contrast, Argentina in 2000 or Latvia today are perfect examples of what happens when trade deficits get out of control.

    Surpluses and deficits are a zero-sum game. If other countries actively pursue surpluses and the US believes in laissez faire, then the US will be (and has been) pushed into deficit. These outside factors heavily influence the "savings rate" of US households.

    I hope this helps.
    ---------------

    On Jul 20 05:07 PM Greenville wrote:

    > How does devaluing your currency help your economy? It is rather
    > evident it helps trade, however, besides this how does it stimulate
    > an economy?
    Jul 21 10:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    I've been saying for as long as I've been on here that dollar devaluation will be a sign that recovery has taken hold. The dollar devalued over 30% during the Bush boom years. When US purchasing power is so significantly greater than China, India, or Eastern European purchasing power, something's got to give.

    However, if labor rates fall (including skilled worker pay as well as minimum wage), the decline in the dollar required for the US to regain competitiveness and produce goods and services to repay our debt will be less.

    Either we produce more to repay/avoid debt sooner rather than later, or we will take a serious hit to national living standards later. Cutting social security in half (or more) when the baby boomers are in their 80s and 90s could be troublesome. Then again, perhaps they (I suppose I should say we) could just stay home, watch TV, and eat cheese and crackers.
    Jul 21 11:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    Actually, my weapons are a Glock 19 and a dingo.
    (But hopefully, gold will be good enough :-)

    On Jul 21 09:20 AM DONE_SONZ wrote:
    > Yours and my weapon is gold.
    Jul 21 12:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    zerohedge.blogspot.com/



    look for a 1 to 3.9 reverse "split" on the dollar.
    Stocks and real estate are the safe haven.
    Tell the transfer agent/ registrar you want physical possession of the stock certificate
    Jul 21 12:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Inflation/devaluation is definitely the game plan. The talk of the Fed reducing their balance sheet at an appropriate time is just a con to keep foreign sovereigns from dropping out of U.S. government bonds entirely.

    Note that this strategy is a tax on everyone (including the aforementioned foreign sovereigns), but it "disproportionately" affects the wealthy for two reasons: 1) they have more dollars; and 2) they can't evade the tax like they normally would (i.e. enforcement is automatic, no tax shelters available). The only way for rich folks to avoid the devaluation is to move into commodities or other currencies and subject their wealth to the vagaries of those markets. It's a bold gambit by the Obama administration: tax all dollar holders, change inflation expectations so that spending becomes more attractive than saving, and hope that the economy improves enough to keep the national debt from getting hopelessly out of control.

    If the plan goes south, another administration in the future (perhaps one with a greater desire for military conflict), will have to seriously think about defaulting on foreign-held U.S. debt. BRIC would not be too happy about that, but it would have a certain benefit for the American public.
    Jul 21 01:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    How about Tariffs? Ever heard of them?
    Jul 21 06:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes, but first we need to offshore the remainder of our value-added manufacturing jobs. Let's author a bill and sell it to the public as a good thing, we could call it NAFTA!!!
    Jul 21 07:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Whatever the US will do, Euro-zone will have to do. They will just take their own sweet time to do it. The Western world is caught up in a cycle of competitive devaluation so any gains in the Euro are going to be fleeting.

    The currencies of interest should be the commodity currencies (NOK, AUD, CAD, BRL, NZD, even the RUB), not the EUR.
    Jul 21 09:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    and when wage inflation does not follow suit; let the rioting begin.
    Jul 21 11:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    Excellent post


    On Jul 20 09:18 AM TeresaE wrote:

    > Domestic exports? What "exports"?
    >
    > Apparently politicians, the Fed, the Treasury and the pundits have
    > not bothered to drive through their local industrial parks.
    >
    > Do it, then follow it up with a few runs through office buildings.
    >
    >
    > What they would see if they bothered is that THERE IS NO DOMESTIC
    > ANYTHING anymore.
    >
    > Mott's Apple Juice is made in China. I'm still waiting for Kraft
    > to tell me where my kid's Mac n Cheese is manufactured.
    >
    > We don't have much to "export" other than our natural resources to
    > China. Well, that and debt. We do seem to have a surplus of debt
    > we could send off shore.
    >
    > "Free trade" with the third world has decimated our wealth production
    > and middle class.
    >
    > Yet the experts keep hoping (beyond hope) that somehow the handful
    > of items we still make here will manage to prop up our entire economy.
    Jul 22 12:32 AM | Link | Reply
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    Still not sure how to play it, been short the dollar for the duration thinking that this was the 'big one'.....I've made more scalping bank stocks over the past two years! I truly thought the short dollar position would be the great campaign trade..make a fortune over the next several years kind of trade.............nothing doing so far. The situation is still sad and pathetic. FOX should start a reality show about testifying in front of congress, we will look back at this period and wonder why we, the public, put up with so much crap for so long.
    Jul 22 09:01 AM | Link | Reply
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    "On Jul 20 09:18 AM TeresaE wrote:
    "Domestic exports? What "exports"? Apparently politicians, the Fed, the Treasury and the pundits have not bothered to drive through their local industrial parks. Do it, then follow it up with a few runs through office buildings. What they would see if they bothered is that THERE IS NO DOMESTIC ANYTHING anymore."Free trade" with the third world has decimated our wealth production and middle class.

    I do beg your pardon, "Ms. TeresaE", but that's just sooo provincial, especially to the many members of this forum. After all, where something is made that Americans will consume is just academic and abstract. As long as the consumer gets more than they want, nay, even more than they need, at a price so cheap as to be almost free, whats to complain? And the "Money People" do this for us by by massive international wire transfer and we can use our debit cards at the consumer store, WHO NEEDS MONEY! It's only the pass-through that counts.(velocity) not the value.

    From the importer, to the distributer, to the wholesaler, to the retailer and, eventually, to the one dollar surplus liquidator (and the garage sale after that) each party in the consuming chain skims their puny profit from the behemoth volume of transactions and we all either become millionaires or can think that we live like one.

    America doesn't need "manufacturing", it only makes things dirty and yucky and requires skilled people that we can't train in our schools or import from Third World countries. Swapping paper for a living is just sooo much easier. And Green too! I'm going to the Mall.

    (end sarcasm)
    Jul 22 11:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    The BIG REASON that the dollar will have to fall is DEBT.

    Whether you go with the $57 trillion or $99 trillion total, 15 or so years out, it is absolutely impossible to pay that off under any remotely normal conditions.

    As I watch every congressional testimony and presidential speech, it is clear that total governement money vacuuming techniques are the direction we are headed: maximum tax increases, ever higher fees on every possible business and individual, tightening up on every perceived "fraud and abuse", abolishment of entire industries designated as "middle men" or "tax avoidance" promoters, etc..

    I have gone over both the GAO, CBO, IG and Fed projections extrapolated 16 years into the future, (when my granddaughter turns voting age and can fight back). Despite the "magically favorable" numbers they use (as Bernake puts it) it paints a very clear picture for my granddaughter. It is also "us", but the point is the thievery we are commiting as we spend her money without her approval. Despite the favorable numbers they use, it clearly shows her living under the slavery of perpetually high taxes, interest rates and low standard of living, secondary to the debt. Since she bought (accidentally) her first stock at 10 months, I am teaching her early to deal with it by trading as well as possible, but she will, under any actions taken by government, live in a broken, indebted country.

    The only way to even apporach dealing with the debt is to remove colas on social security, federal retirees, etc. first, then drop the dollar and inflated away.

    The little cutting at the edges proposed, such as raising the retiree age to 70 over several years or recaculating the CPI used for the colas, would only lower the debt a couple of trillion at most (out of 57 to 99 trillion). To get impossible and eliminate Social Security or severely cut back somehow, even if enacted, won't work, because the money still has to come from somewhere to support retirees: from families, the private sector or government. It is still the same debt. That drastic proposal, short of a sudden disapearance of retirees (to Mars or elsewhere), just doesn't change the debt.

    Medicare, of course is the worst. Even with the impossibly favorable numbers used, it is a disastor. There is no way to fix that, though early in inflation the hospitals and doctors who are losing money on medicare cases would feel a little better temporarily with small increases in pay.
    Jul 22 12:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    Please explain why devaluing the dollar will cure our problems. I go to bed one night with $100,000 in the bank and wake-up in the morning and am told I have $10,000. Why is that better for me or for anyone?
    Jul 22 06:55 PM | Link | Reply
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    *POP*

    what was that? the sound of the very last bubble we've got left?
    Jul 22 08:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    The United States is a dishonest and immoral debtor. I realize that this in not unknow in other countries. Nonetheless, dishonest is dishonest.
    Jul 24 10:34 PM | Link | Reply