Executives
James R. Bencomo – Director of Investor Relations and Pension Investments
William C. Foote – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
James S. Metcalf – President and Chief Operating Officer
Richard H. Fleming – Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Rick Lowes – Senior Vice President and Controller
Analysts
Daniel Oppenheim – Credit Suisse
Kenneth Zener – Macquarie Capital Securities
Michael Rehaut – JPMorgan
Ivy Zelman – Zelman & Associates
Garik Shmois – Longbow Research
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
David Wells – Thompson Research Group
Jim Barrett – CL King & Associates
Todd Vencil – Davenport & Company
Fred Taylor – MJ Asset Management
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
USG Corp. (USG) Q2 2009 Earnings Call July 22, 2009 11:00 AM ET
Operator
Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the USG Corporation's second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions). I will now turn the call over to Mr. James Bencomo, Director, Investor Relations and Pension Investments. Mr. Bencomo, you may begin.
James R. Bencomo
Thank you, Christine, and good morning, and welcome to USG Corporation's second quarter 2009 earnings conference call and live webcast. We will be using a slide presentation in conjunction with our call today. It is available by going to the Investor Information section of our website at www.usg.com and clicking on the link to the webcast.
Also before we proceed, let me remind you that certain statements in this conference call may be forward-looking statements under securities laws. These statements are made on the basis of management's current views and assumptions about business, market and other conditions, and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements. The statements are also subject to a number of factors including those listed at the end of today's press release and actual results may be different from our current expectations.
With me today to discuss our results and our outlook are Bill Foote, USG's Chairman and CEO, Jim Metcalf, President and COO, and Rick Fleming, Executive Vice President and CFO. First, Bill will comment on market conditions and the outlook for our businesses. Jim will follow with comments on how our operating units are performing. Rick Fleming will conclude with some additional comments on our results and discuss how we are managing our balance sheet and liquidity.
We will then open up the call for questions and conclude with a few comments from Bill. Also present for the Q&A portion of the call will be Rick Lowes, Senior Vice President and Controller. We'd like to ensure that everyone has an opportunity to ask questions. So when we get to the Q&A session callers are asked to limit themselves to one question and one follow-up question.
With that, Bill?
William C. Foote
Thank you, Jim, and good morning to all of you. We appreciate your taking the time to join the call this morning. And as always, we appreciate your continuing interest and support of our company.
Market conditions in the second quarter of this year were very similar to the conditions that we have faced over the last several months. Housing starts remain very low, repair and remodeling activity declined further, non-residential construction continued to worsen, and most international markets were in recession.
The global economic recession continued and not surprisingly, the demand for our products and services was sharply lower. Total sales in the quarter fell by more than $400 million compared to the second quarter of 2008. That's a 34% decline. We reported $40 million operating loss for the quarter and I'm proud to say that this is virtually unchanged from the second quarter a year ago. All of our businesses are being affected by the global economic contraction.
We continue to operate in what is obviously a very difficult environment against this backdrop of what are frankly breathtakingly low buy-ins. I am very pleased that our operating performance benefitted significantly from the aggressive actions that we have taken to resize the company and cut costs.
We have worked hard to reduce costs and improve product pricing. Indeed, we improved unit margins for many of our key products. We have also reduced SG&A expenses in the second quarter compared to last year by more than $20 million, which substantially mitigated volume declines year-over-year.
As a result, the operating loss of $40 million is virtually the same as the $39 million reported in the second quarter a year ago, with sales being $400 million lower. In addition to taking aggressive action to control our costs, we have heightened our focus on liquidity. Here, too, I am pleased to report that our efforts have been successful.
Our cash and total liquidity position, cash plus unused borrowing capacity, were both better at the end of 2Q than at the end of the previous quarter, the first quarter of this year. Specifically, our cash increased from $223 million at the end of March to $302 million at the end of June, and total liquidity increased from $429 million to $495 million over that same timeframe.
We are managing working capital even more aggressively throughout the company. And we are consistently pursuing new avenues to add liquidity. On the asset side of our balance sheet, we have reduced capital expenditures, improved our working capital's position and are working to squeeze cash out of all surplus and other assets.
On the liability side of the balance sheet, we've taken a number of additional steps to improve our financial profile. For example, during the second quarter, we finalized a credit agreement at our Canadian subsidiary that adds approximately 25 to our total borrowing base and we drew down the second $25 million tranche under our ship mortgage facility.
We have sustained a consistent strategy throughout this global downturn, which for us started a little more than three years ago. Specifically, we are focused on manage the fundamentals; the safety of operations, the quality of our products, the service we provide our customers, continuing innovation, cost reductions being very important, both in terms of scaling our operations to the market and to manage our overhead people and programs and lastly, financial flexibility.
By anticipating changes in the market, we are succeeding in each of those areas. We are running our plants and distribution centers safely and efficiently. Customer satisfaction performance remains very high. We have optimized our operations to market conditions by closing or curtailing wallboard lines, paper mills and distribution centers. Overhead expenses are significantly lower. And we have a solid and improving liquidity position.
Looking ahead at the remainder of 2009 and into next year, we are not expecting much improvement in our markets. More specifically, we are planning for low levels of residential construction, though some stabilization seems on the horizon, a continuing slowdown in repair and remodel and a fairly significant drop in new non-residential construction.
The new residential construction market has fallen so far that there's really not much more room for further declines. The market appears to be stabilizing and the June starts figure of 582,000 is somewhat encouraging, but there's no evidence yet of a meaningful rebound.
Looking down 2009, stability in the new residential and repair and remodel markets will be a welcome relief. The major area of concern right now is non-residential construction. It declined on the second quarter and is likely to continue declining for the next several quarters.
While the future direction of our markets remains uncertain, we are confident that our efforts to resize the company during this severe contraction are taking us in the right direction. Our second quarter results demonstrate that our strategies are working.
We have already done a great deal to cut costs, resize the company and bolster our liquidity. Those efforts have clearly mitigated the impact of this lengthy and severe downturn, and I am very confident of our ability to continue to stay ahead of changes in the market.
Now I'd like to turn to Jim Metcalf, our President, for a more detailed discussion of each of our businesses.
James S. Metcalf
Thank you, Bill. All of our business units are feeling the effects of the global recession. As Bill mentioned, sales have declined substantially for the quarter, down more than $400 million, and for the first six months down more than $700 million.
In this environment we have and we will continue to be proactive with aggressive actions to adapt to this market. Throughout the company we've closed operations, reduced cost, sized our workforce and aggressively managed working capital. By doing so, we are mitigating much of the impact of this steep drop in demand.
Compared to last year, North American Gypsum has reduced its operating loss by more than half in the quarter despite a 29% drop in sales. Worldwide Ceilings had a very good quarter, reporting an operating profit of $18 million. Our distribution business, L&W Supply, was the hardest hit in the second quarter posting an operating loss of $26 million on sharply lower volume across the board.
Our cost reduction efforts are ongoing and we will continue to have contingency plans. We took action in late 2008 to reduce cost in anticipation of the fallout from last fall's financial meltdown. The positive impact of our actions is flowing through our operations this year. We haven't stopped. We continue to squeeze costs out of our business.
In the second quarter, we made further adjustments in our spending that will reduce costs by an additional $50 million annually. And as I said, we will continue to look at new opportunities to reduce our costs and, most importantly, position USG for the future.
Now, I'd like to discuss our operations starting with our number one priority, safety. As we explained last quarter, our U.S. manufacturing operations set an all-time company record for safety performance. We operated the entire first quarter without a single lost time or restricted duty accident. We nearly equaled that record during the second quarter, with perfect safety performances in both April and June. This is a remarkable achievement and another proof point that demonstrates our focus on the controllable factors in our operations.
Now, I'd like to talk about the performance of each one of our business units, starting with U.S. Gypsum Company. Wallboard volume at U.S. Gypsum declined 38% during the quarter. U.S. Gypsum shipped 1.2 billion feet of wallboard compared to 1.3 billion in the first quarter and 1.9 billion feet in the second quarter of 2008.
Those declines were consistent with the dramatic drop in residential construction which remained in record low territories during the second quarter. Despite the lower volume, our average wallboard price in the quarter was approximately $121.00, an improvement of last year's average price of $109.81 and virtually flat from the first quarter of 2009.
By significantly reducing costs and resizing our operations, U.S. Gypsum was able to reduce its operating loss by $39 million compared to the second quarter of last year. This was done with substantially lower demand across virtually every product category. The fundamentals in the business, safety, customer satisfaction, operating efficiency and quality, all remained at near record levels during the quarter.
Other product lines within our Gypsum business felt the impact of the recession but did perform better than the market. Total sales for performance surfaces, which includes our industry-leading joint treatment products, were down approximately 19%, but outperformed the market. The gross profit for our surfaces business increased during the quarter reflecting the impact of operational efficiencies, price and market share improvement.
Sales for our performance substrates business which includes Durock and Fiberock also fell 19% during the quarter. Margins were under significant pressure earlier this year, but our cost control actions, efficiencies at our plants and new product introductions have reversed that trend. Unit margins for these two product lines have improved but it did not entirely offset the impact of the very low demand that we are experiencing.
Now, I'd like to discuss our distribution business, L&W Supply. The decline in commercial construction which began late last year had an impact on results at L&W Supply. Sales in the second quarter declined almost 38%. This sharp drop in sales reflects lower demand in all major product categories in both the residential and commercial segments.
This drop in market demand has caused L&W to swing from an $8 million operating profit in the second quarter of last year, to a $26 million operating loss in this year's second quarter. Aggressive cost reductions and wallboard price improvement at L&W have mitigated the impact of lower demand.
In addition to the 54 centers that were closed last year, L&W closed nine locations this year, as well as reduced personnel, spending and equipment. As we've done on the manufacturing side at USG, we will continue to right-size L&W to match market demand. Other than safety, L&W's return to profitability is the number one objective.
Now, I'd like to discuss our ceilings business. As I mentioned earlier, the performance of our ceilings business was relatively strong in the face of a commercial slowdown and a global recession. USG interiors posted an operating profit of $17 million in the second quarter. Sales reflected the decline in the non-residential construction, falling about 20% from $141 million last year to approximately $113 million in 2Q '09. Operating profit only declined slightly due to cost reductions, manufacturing efficiencies and price improvement across all product lines in our ceilings business.
So the same trends we've seen in other businesses are evident in ceilings as well. Demand and sales are off, but aggressive cost reduction efforts, efficient operations and a keen focus on our customers have mitigated the impact of this market decline.
Now I'd like to turn to our international business. The global slowdown has affected our international business in each market we participate in. Our international business experienced slowdown in market demand negatively affecting sales in all of our regions.
Operating profit for our total international business was $6 million compared to $15 million in the second quarter of 2008. Our international operations have adapted the same strategy of cost reductions, while keeping a focus on the USG fundamentals of safety, customer satisfaction and quality.
Our second quarter results demonstrate our ongoing efforts to resize the company and our focus on cost reductions and USG fundamentals are making an impact. As we stated before, we will continue to have contingency plans to mirror market demand.
Market conditions in the first half of 2009 were considerably worse than last year. Sales in almost every business and product line declined, yet in almost every business, our results are trending the right way. Obviously, we have not yet achieved our goal of returning to profitability; that goal is our number one focus. The cost control initiatives throughout the company have been very effective and we are carefully balancing price and volume in each one of our businesses to improve operating results.
As Bill mentioned, customer satisfaction metrics remain high, our operational efficiencies at our plants are excellent and, most importantly, our safety performance is outstanding. The end result is our controllables are headed in the right direction. Those controllables are the USG foundation. We remain focused on getting to the other side of this unprecedented market, but we need to get there much stronger.
Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Rick Fleming, for a more detailed discussion of our financial performance and our progress on improving liquidity through this downturn. Rick?
Richard H. Fleming
Thanks, Jim, and good morning to all of you. As Jim mentioned, I'll recap our second quarter and year-to-date financial results, and provide some additional details on overhead, interest expense, taxes, capital expenditures, debt and liquidity.
Second quarter 2009 net sales were $829 million, down 34% from the second quarter of 2008 net sales level of $1.251 billion. Our second quarter operating loss is $40 million, including $19 million of restructuring charges. In last year's second quarter, we reported an operating loss of $39 million which included $21 million of restructuring charges. So as Bill mentioned, our operating loss was virtually unchanged despite a 34% sales decline.
Second quarter 2009 net sales after tax was $53 million or $0.53 per share based on average diluted shares outstanding of 99.2 million. This compared to a net loss of $37 million or $0.37 per share in last year's second quarter.
As noted, second quarter 2009 results included restructuring and asset impairment charges of $19 million before tax or $0.12 per share after tax. These restructuring charges are related to severance due to salaried workforce reductions, lease termination costs associated with facility closures and asset impairments related to idled and closed facilities.
The breakdown of the $19 million of pretax restructuring and asset impairment charges by core business is as follows, North American Gypsum, $11 million; building products distribution, $5 million; worldwide ceilings, $1 million and corporate $2 million. For the first six months of 2009 net sales were $1.7 billion compared with $2.4 billion in the first half of last year, a 30% decline. Despite this decline in net sales, our operating loss improved to a net loss of $82 million in this year's first half from a loss of $99 million for the first six months of last year. These amounts include pre-tax restructuring and asset impairment charges of $29 million in 2009 and $25 million in 2008.
Our net after-tax loss for the first six months of 2009 was $95 million or $0.95 per diluted share. This compares to a net loss of $78 million or $0.79 per diluted share for last year's first half. The increase in the 2009 net loss is due primarily to this year's higher level of interest expense.
Now I'll add some details in the rest of the P&L and discuss what we've done to manage capital spending, our balance sheet and our liquidity. I'll start with overhead. Selling and administrative expenses or SG&A declined by $22 million or 23% in the second quarter of 2009 compared with the same period last year. In total, SG&A expenses were $72 million in the second quarter and $152 million for the first six months of 2009. On an annualized basis, SG&A spending is now at 2002 levels.
Interest expense is $36 million for the second quarter and $78 million for the first six months. We currently anticipate that our annual interest expense will be about $147 million for all of 2009 on a P&L basis and about $138 million on a cash basis. The effective tax benefit rate was 30% for the second quarter of 2009 resulting in a six-month rate of 36.7%.
This compares to rates of 36.9% and 40.9% in last year's second quarter and first six months respectively. Looking ahead to the full year, we anticipate an annual tax benefit rate of approximately 37% depending on the mix of worldwide income. It should be noted that our federal tax laws carry-forward is not about $1 billion and as such our cash taxes will be very low in the early years of the recovery.
Turning to capital spending, capital expenditures totaled $12 million in the second quarter of 2009 compared to $67 million in the same quarter of last year. For the first six months CapEx totaled $28 million and we are currently forecasting about $50 million of capital spending for the full year. Since we have made substantial investments in our operations over the past several years we are comfortable with this level of spending, and we believe that it can be maintained into 2010 as well.
Regarding our cash and debt situation, our June 30 cash balance, excluding $1 million of restricted cash, was $302 million compared with $223 million at the end of the first quarter and $471 million at the end of 2008. The decrease since year end primarily reflects the use of $190 million to repay all of the borrowings under our old unsecured revolving credit facility which is amended and restated in January of this year.
Especially notable is the $79 million increase in cash since March 31 which resulted from surplus property sales, tight working capital management and phase two of our ship financing which provided $25 million. Total debt was $1.67 billion as of June 30 compared to $1.836 billion at the end of last year. As noted, most of the reduction in debt reflected the payoff of borrowings on the old credit facility. We currently have nothing borrowed on the new secured revolving credit facility.
This new facility is subject to a borrowing base and $167 million was effectively available to us at the end of June after taking into account outstanding letters of credit and the minimum availability requirement of $75 million. This amount combined with our cash on hand and the new undrawn CGC credit facility resulted in $495 million of liquidity at the end of the second quarter. This represents a substantial increase from the March 31 level of $429 million.
In addition, we expect to add further liquidity through our continued focus on working capital and surplus asset sales. We presently have over $20 million of asset sales under contract and we still anticipate that our surplus asset sale program could total $50 million to $100 million over two years.
Now let me sum up our cash flow performance for the first 2009 and report some really good news. As you will note from our press release, our net cash provided by operating activities after interest expense for the first six months of this year, exceeded our cash use for capital spending and other investing activities by several million dollars. This is great news and evidence that our plans are bearing fruit.
So in conclusion we continue to focus on the basics, superb customer service, quality, cost and liquidity. As you heard from Bill and Jim, considerable progress has been made in terms of scaling the company to match reduced market conditions and we are prepared to take more action if necessary and we are unwavering in our goal of returning USG to profitability and to have EBITDA exceed cash interest and CapEx. Here, although progress has been made, we still have more work to do but we will continue to be relentless in our efforts to achieve these goals.
Now we will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
(Operator Instructions) The first question comes from Dan Oppenheim – Credit Suisse.
Daniel Oppenheim – Credit Suisse
Thanks very much. I was wondering if you can talk about the pricing environment and you've done a great job in terms of controlling costs, but with some of the cost escalation out there and thinking about the gross cost increase for August, how much of an increase do you think you need just to offset the impact of the higher production costs and transportation right now?
James S. Metcalf
Well, we, I appreciate your comments on our price improvement from the beginning of the year. It's been a very tough market to get price improvement. We've had some great track record really for the last 18 months on it, and we have a price increase in the market for August of 10%. We are going to aggressively attempt to get price improvement in August. We have – we've been talking to all of our customers because it's a very, very difficult pricing environment because the supply chain is getting pressed down the channel on pricing, but we're going to continue to aggressively go after it.
Daniel Oppenheim – Credit Suisse
Thanks very much, and then in thinking about the cash flow during the quarter you commented in terms of the cash flow for the first half of '09, if we think about the second quarter how much of a benefit did you have in terms of just working capital and should we expect to see more of that coming through in the second half of this year or is there any reversal of that?
Richard H. Fleming
Well, for the first half of the year there was a significant benefit from both reducing receivables and inventory and right now we think a good portion of that was due to lower volume but there's also a substantial component that's due to structural changes we've made. Clearly the good news in the second half we hope is that business picks up a little bit and we build some receivables but right now as I say the focus is on making sure we're as effective and efficient as we can be on working capital
management.
Operator
Your next question comes from Ken Zener – Macquarie Capital.
Kenneth Zener – Macquarie Capital Securities
Good morning. I'm wondering, could you kind of talk about, you mentioned an additional $50 million in cost reductions. First, can you break that up into kind of between a variable and a fixed component and then how much farther do you think you guys are able to take down the fixed portion of your wallboard business?
James S. Metcalf
Well, the $50 million as I said is an annual number. The majority of that is positions that we've taken out. We made some changes on our retiree benefits and some reductions we made in our distribution business so probably half of it is SG&A. The rest of it is between benefits and L&W distribution reductions. We have taken out, if you look at the last two years, approximately $400 million out of our cost structures in four different tranches and one of the things we're keen on is keeping the value proposition. We're very focused on some of our projects that we do.
We can't do everything but we're going to – we have a contingency plan if the market gets worse and we'd be prepared to pull the trigger but also we have a contingency plan if the market gets better as well so from a plant standpoint, again, we have, if demand decreases we have plants that would come out of the network. We know where they are. We know which ones they are, so we're prepared for the market to go down as well as to go up. So we – these have been tough decisions we've made for the last two years but we're prepared if need be to make further decisions.
Kenneth Zener – Macquarie Capital Securities
Okay. And I guess I'm just trying to get a sense for specifically in the wallboard business that recognizing you have other plans, but at the current stability that we see in housing starts unfold, being unstable, when would that kind of imply given your current fixed cost reductions and the current pricing that you'd be getting to kind of profitability specifically in the wallboard business not the other products within wallboard?
James S. Metcalf
The key, at 550 housing starts, it's pretty difficult to get there. We are focused on returning the gypsum business to profitability. We feel that with a little bit of lift in the markets, we can get there probably around a 650,000 to a 700,000 mark. That really gives us a little breathing room.
We also will continue to take costs out. They key is that we have positive spreads in our business. We're keeping our costs in line, we're getting some price improvement but we're seeing positive spreads in our wallboard business that we didn't have a year ago. And I think that's the key is reducing cost and having positive spreads in this terrible market. But I'll tell you a little bit of demand lift would really help us.
Kenneth Zener – Macquarie Capital Securities
Yes, I imagine. And I guess let's see, the pricing that we saw in the quarter, I realize you guys just reported on an average quarterly basis. But was there much impact from regional mix in there in terms of pricing that we're seeing for the company as opposed to like for like within specific regions?
James S. Metcalf
It's very regional obviously some of the harder hit markets like the Floridas have a different price. We report an average price. It is a regional business and we're starting to see some signs of regions stabilizing and some regions feeling a little better. But you're quite right, it is a regional business and the pricing can be different from one coast to the other.
Operator
Your next question comes from Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
A couple questions, first just to go back to wallboard prices, I was wondering if you could give us any sense of if the ending quarter price was below or above the average? And also to the extent that you had any price increases that had scheduled to go effective, what the realization was relative to the announced per thousand board feet price increase?
James S. Metcalf
We comment on the average price for the quarter, so you saw our average for the quarters around just north of 120. We did have an increases slated in the second quarter, which we rolled it back to August.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
Okay, so that was pushed back. And the August price increase was did you say 10% or $10.00 per thousand board feet?
James S. Metcalf
Ten percent.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
Okay. Any sense of early response by customers on that, I mean I think last conference call and please correct me if I'm wrong, if memory serves, I thought you'd also again set up that 10% for July and more hopeful maybe a 2% out of that 10% maybe being realized. Any type of color in terms of what your customers are saying given the very challenging demand environment?
James S. Metcalf
Well for the last 18 months, price increases have not been popular but we're going to continue be aggressive on it and we'll be able to report next quarter how we did.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
Okay, fair enough. On the cost reductions, everything else equal, should we still expect USG margins to again with similar revenue assumptions, inch a little bit further towards profitability or less of a negative operating margin? I believe excluding charges, you were closer to like a negative 3.9 versus a 5.2 in the first quarter.
James S. Metcalf
Well we are focused on particularly in each business but let me speak for wallboard first. We're very focused on wallboard spread and improving our margins there. We've made great progress in the last year there.
Our ceilings business, our margins are very healthy there, even with the commercial business that is deteriorating, our ceilings business only has about 30% of its exposure to new commercial business. And the biggest area we have on margin improvement is our distribution business. And we are resizing that business as we speak and we very focused on margin improvement on our distribution business.
So our key, as I said in my prepared comments, is profitability is our number one focus. We're working extremely hard at taking costs out and improving our spread, and we want to get there as soon as possible.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
And on that, I mean do you assume with the actions you've taken, profitability, a return to profitability this year, or is that something more to expect for 2010 given how sharp volumes have dropped off?
James S. Metcalf
Well we don't give a forecast but I will tell you, our plan is to return to profitability as soon as possible.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
One last one if I could and I'm sorry for all the questions, natural gas, I was wondering if you could kind of give an impact or estimate in terms of how you expect that you to impact you with some of the recent increases in that commodity for the back half of the year?
Richard H. Fleming
Sure, I'd be happy to give you an update. We have not done any additional hedging since August of last year. So in the last 90 days the only activity that's occurred is the rolling off of the old activity. As I think I've mentioned to you in the past, we entered the year with a portion of our gas pre-hedged at $9.66.
At higher volume levels, that was about half of our activity, a little bit more than half. At today's lower volume levels were about 80% hedged at that price. So we're substantially locked in, albeit at a higher price for much of the year.
The good news is the hedges roll off, gas is considerably lower today, spot about $3.67 to $3.80 on any given day. Futures for the rest of the year are in the $4.00 plus area. So the long and short is that as the hedges roll off as gas stays at these levels, we'll pick up a considerable benefit going into next year where we are only hedged about 23% at today's buying levels.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
And will those roll off all –
William C. Foote
Michael, this is Bill, we need to get on to some other questions.
Michael Rehaut – JP Morgan
I apologize, Bill.
Operator
The next question comes from Ivy Zelman – Zelman & Associates.
Ivy Zelman – Zelman & Associates
Good morning. Can you help me understand with your spreads improving in wallboard and certainly your profitability for improvements you're doing, and you said in the distribution business. What we hear in the marketplace is that L&W is definitely underbidding relative to others, especially on new jobs, commercial jobs with respect to trying to realize price appreciation, where L&W is coming in 20%, 25% below what the current pricing is.
We're hearing a lot of negative feedback in the market and distributors that clearly see you as a price leader and you're not supporting your own price increases. There seems to be a lot of backlash that it made and cost you some customers as a result.
So from a strategic standpoint, volumes are improving in L&W as a result of that. And please correct me if that's not the case because we certainly hear it many markets beyond just one or two. So I'd like to understand how you mitigate the loss of potential customers that are frustrated or definitely have seen it as a negative for the company strategy?
James S. Metcalf
Well Ivy, first we don't comment on pricing, so that's as you know in previous calls, but let me make a couple comments. L&W's a profit center. And the key with L&W is returning to profitability. And we balance our customers that are non-L&W customers with L&W. We've been doing it for 37 years.
We've taken out over 60 locations now. We will turn that side of the business around. And I can't comment on the pricing activities that you're hearing, but I will say that the number one priority for L&W short of safety is to be profitable.
And they're getting hit as each one of our other specialty dealers are getting hit with terrible demand, one-two punch from residential and now it's on the commercial side. And L&W's business is about 60% commercial. So customer satisfaction is important, building systems has a very extensive sales and marketing force that calls on the other specialty dealers, and our strategy is to partner with customers that support the overall corporate strategy, which includes L&W.
Ivy Zelman – Zelman & Associates
And just to finish on that thought with respect to L&W, it sounds as if your profitability is the most important thing at L&W, so at the expense of market share, profitability would be first?
James S. Metcalf
Absolutely.
Operator
Your next question comes from Garik Shmois – Longbow Research.
Garik Shmois – Longbow Research
Okay thank you, Garik Shmois here. Just, first off, on wallboard capacity. You've mentioned you're prepared to react whether the market moves up or down. Assuming that we are at this 18 or so building square foot run rate, just to understand. Do you think you've adjusted your capacity for this market? Or should we expect to see some more capacity, assuming that we see this demand rate for the next year, year and a half or so?
James S. Metcalf
Well, we're sizing our operations right now for the market the 18.5 or 19 billion foot market. We are running about 90% of our network with our low and medium cost plants. So we feel that we have, as I said, our operation efficiencies, our recovery speed and delay are at or near all time records. And the reason we can do that is we have the newest network in the industry. We've invested over the last 10 years in wallboard capacity that gives us the flexibility to do it.
Along with that, we have a system that, an ERP system that we invested in a few years ago that allows us to scale our operations very quickly. So, we feel at the current environment, which is extremely weak, the industry is running less than 50% capacity, our operations are as efficient as they can be.
If it lags down, if the total demand lags down, we're prepared. We know what plants we would idle, or take out. And also more importantly, if we see a little wind at our back in overall demand, we know what plants we're going to run.
Garik Shmois – Longbow Research
Okay, thanks for that, and just real quick switch in gears to ceilings. Good performance there second quarter in a row. Can you break out perhaps the cost benefit that you are seeing from headcount versus lower input costs, particularly on the steel and raw material and energy side?
James S. Metcalf
On the ceilings business?
Garik Shmois – Longbow Research
Yes.
James S. Metcalf
Really, the ceilings business, the headcount has had a fairly significant impact, but really it has been running the plants very efficiently and getting margin improvement, getting price improvement. We did see some – we do have a little bit of inflation in the ceilings based on the manufacturing costs, but the headcount reduction at our plants have helped, but it is just running the plants more efficiently and as I mentioned in my prepared comments, we've got price improvement in all of our product lines.
Operator
Your next question comes from Trey Grooms – Stephens Incorporated.
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
Just a couple of questions, one, understand that the wallboard sales to Home Depot in general pricing there pricing has not changed that much. Can you guys give us some insight as to how much of your volume goes to Depot now?
Richard H. Fleming
We – do we disclose that? I think it is around 10%, 11%.
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
Ten or 11% of shipments, or of –
Richard H. Fleming
Of volume, yes.
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
Okay, 10%, 11% of volume. And then also I noticed you guys had talked about profitability as first and foremost and I guess is that what is contributing to the pullback in market shares? It looks like market share dropped again there in the quarter. And is that a function of you guys trying to hold on to price more or what's going on there?
James S. Metcalf
Well we – you're absolutely right. We're balancing volume and price and what we've done over the last 18 months is in markets where the profitability is underwater or low-profitability we are more aggressive on price. So was I said with one of the previous callers, this is a regional business and it's – we fine tune it. We look at it on a local basis and at this point, a point of market share isn't as valuable as it was three years ago.
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
Okay, and then just one other follow-up question. You guys had talked about you had plants in the network to take out and so forth if you saw that necessary. Where do you think that the industry utilization rates would need to go before you started to see more capacity coming out of the industry? I mean – and I know we are kind of below 50% and declining. I mean is there a kind of hurdle that you think that if we cross that you would start to see quite a bit of capacity come out, just in the industry in general?
James S. Metcalf
Well I think if the industry is running about 19 billion feet now and if you would see another lag down into next year, you would see capacity coming out.
Trey Grooms – Stephens, Inc.
Another lag down, would need that be going to 17 or?
James S. Metcalf
Yes, I think that is probably a pretty good number. You know if you look at the overall gypsum opportunity, anything down is going to put stress on the network at these low levels. So you could probably say there could be another 5%, 10% that could come out if it lags down.
Operator
Our next question comes from David Wells – Thompson Research Group.
David Wells – Thompson Research Group
Hi, good morning everyone. First off, just coming back to pricing, I think you if look at it and you see price increase getting pushed back from June into August and you see a small sequential decrease, from our perspective I mean it seems like pricing is extremely challenging and then you're talking about your spread being positive. At what level, from a pricing standpoint, would you see spreads go flat to negative?
James S. Metcalf
Well, again, we aren't going to project our price. And we are going to continue to be aggressive and our track record for the last 18 months is we've been raising price in very, very tough markets and conventional wisdom tells you in the gypsum industry, you don't get price improvement under 90% and the industry, or USG has raised the price, and we are going to continue to do it.
David Wells – Thompson Research Group
All right, and looking as some of the input costs for the wallboard segment, we're hearing coming out in the industry that the waste paper, OCC prices are starting to creep back up. How much of an impact – is that something you are seeing, how much of an impact could that be from a margin perspective?
James S. Metcalf
Well, if you, waste paper is a key component of our cost structure. Fortunately it's down six months versus last year. As you heard in previous calls, we were up tremendously when waste paper was up last year. We're seeing some slight increases, but with the operational efficiencies it is offsetting those.
So, that's not the big, the key concern in our wallboard cost. It really – it's running the network. I mean, that's what we have to look at diesel costs because miles-to-market is the key ingredient. But waste paper is not something that is keeping us up at night at this point. We have enough other things that do that.
David Wells – Thompson Research Group
All right, and then looking at your natural gas hedges. Did those roll off fairly evenly the coming months or is it lumpy in terms of timing?
Richard H. Fleming
No, it is fairly evenly. So as we get to the end of the year, as mentioned, the hedge ratio will drop from 80% down to about 23% as we enter next year.
David Wells – Thompson Research Group
Okay, and then that kind of differential spread more or less [distally] over those months.
Richard H. Fleming
Yes, and that differential will exist for the balance of the year. That's correct, but then there'll be a substantial sort of step down in energy costs, assuming gas stays where it is right now, as we go into 2010.
Operator
Your next question comes from Jim Barrett – CL King & Associates.
Jim Barrett – CL King & Associates
This is really a question for you, Rick. Bill, given what you said about overall demand, if that scenario plays out, Rick, would you expect cash flow is to remain at least modestly positive for the remainder of '09 and going into '10 assuming your input costs stay at current levels and you realize the cost savings programs you mentioned earlier?
Richard H. Fleming
You know, Jim, you know we don't do forecasting, but clearly the trends have been positive and going into the second half of the year we feel good about our cash flow situation, as mentioned in my remarks. We have made significant with the operating cash flows effectively covering CapEx in the first half of the year, so it's an area of great focus and energy.
We have stated our objective and I will reiterate it once again that it's our objective to have CapEx cover cash interest and capital – EBITDA cover CapEx and cash interest in 2010 and that is what we are working towards.
Jim Barrett – CL King & Associates
Okay. How long can, given the state of your plants, can you maintain CapEx at $50 million? Is that something you can do for another 18 months? 24 months? How should we look at that?
Richard H. Fleming
We feel very comfortable that it can be maintained at that level in 2010.
Jim Barrett – CL King & Associates
And then on a related note, the $50 million to $100 million of asset sales, have these assets, do they currently all have "for sale" signs on them? Are they currently being marketed for sale? And can you tell us what the assets are?
Richard H. Fleming
Well they tend to be surplus land and real estate associated with some of our plants, the buffer zone, so to speak, that we no longer deem strategic or necessary. And one asset in particular is some land down in the port area near Houston that is the one that I mentioned. It's under contract for $20 million.
We're actually marketing the entire inventory. Just due to the nature of the process, it will spread itself out over several years. But we are working with our real estate advisors as well as looking for potential opportunities to liquefy those assets.
Operator
Your next question comes from Todd Vencil – Davenport & Company.
Todd Vencil – Davenport & Company
A lot of my questions have been answered, but you mentioned a couple of times that it's a regional business and some regions are sort of perking up. Can you maybe just go broadly region by region and talk about what you're seeing in terms of pricing and demand?
James S. Metcalf
Well the pricing, as I said, varies by region and we don't disclose that. We disclose our average price, but if you look at the areas that are still under tremendous pressure, I'm sure it won't come to any surprise Florida, Arizona, Nevada are still under extreme demand pressure, and the outlook is a pretty tough market. The inner mountain area is a good area. The Midwest area is still fairly solid and pockets in the Northeast.
And it really breaks down to where we're seeing different types of segments of our business. Anything that's commercially-driven that has public financing, schools, of that nature, we're starting to – there's some opportunities there. But the overall market is still very, very challenging. We are focused on the regions where we can balance price and volume, and we're planning for a very tough market as we look forward, but we're hoping for the best.
Operator
Our next question comes from Fred Taylor – MJS Asset Management.
Fred Taylor – MJ Asset Management
Yeah, does your new secured bank facility allow you to use that or existing cash to repurchase your bonds at a discount?
Richard H. Fleming
The short answer is under certain constructs we could, but we have no plans to do so right now.
Operator
Your next question comes from Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates.
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
Hi, good morning. Just a quick question here, at your current cost structure, I understand there are other variables, but is there a number of housing stocks that would bring you into profitability? If housing stocks hit 750, would you guys be profitable or 850?
James S. Metcalf
I tell you what we'd feel a lot better at those numbers, absolutely.
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
Which of those numbers?
James S. Metcalf
Why don't we say 800?
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
So 800 it's possible. I understand it's commercial but at 800 you guys could be profitable at your current cost structure without bringing it down further?
James S. Metcalf
Yeah, we don't make forecasts. If you look at the commercial business everyone's reading a lot about the commercial business being down. It's going to be down 20% to 25%, but let me just put a fact on the commercial business in its respect to wallboard since wallboard is our biggest part of our business. The commercial business is only about 10% of the wallboard demand.
And so just to put that in perspective, it has a bigger impact on the ceilings business. As I said earlier, it's about 30% and L&W is about 60. So housing starts are very important. The other segments are as well. Repair and remodel is really our largest footprint and that's why we have a major focus with some of the big box retailers out there. So the R&R market is really a market where the gypsum business has the biggest footprint.
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
R&R would be what percentage?
James S. Metcalf
R & R both commercial and residential can be almost 50% of wallboard demand.
Joseph Weiss – JRW Associates
But nevertheless, around 800 of housing starts would be able to affect you enough probably to bring you to profitability. I know it's a very vague and big statement.
James S. Metcalf
We'd feel much better at 800, yes.
Operator
At this time there are no additional questions. Please go ahead with any closing comments.
William C. Foote
All right, thank you very much. Thank you all for your interest and probing questions. We appreciate them and if you have others, please do call back in. We'd be happy to address them.
As we look to the remainder of the year, we're not anticipating any meaningful improvements in our markets as we've commented extensively. It does appear that both segments of the residential market, both new construction and repair and remodel, are showing signs of stabilization. If that proves the case, it'll certainly be welcome relief from the steady declines that we've experienced in those markets for more than three years.
Commercial construction does appear to be headed further south and perhaps significantly so. The strategy that we've been pursuing throughout this contraction, which is now three plus years for us, are succeeding. We've resized the company. We've cut cost dramatically, and we're actively working to squeeze cash out of our business.
Operating resulting for the first half of the year have improved despite dramatically lower volumes and our liquidity remains strong. In fact, as we've pointed, out we've shown meaningful progress on the liquidity front in the last three months alone.
We're not expecting or planning for any health in the market in the near term. Consequently, we will persevere in the efforts we've successfully pursued to date, cost control and liquidity management. They're mitigating the impacts of these substantial declines in opportunity. I have great confidence that we will persevere and be successful in dealing with those challenges. The strategies have been effective to date and we remain committed to adjusting as markets dictate.
Thank you for your time today and your continuing interest and confidence in USG.
James R. Bencomo
Thank you, Bill. Let me mention that there is a taped replay of this call. It's available by dialing 1-888-843-8996 and entering the pass code 24942139. The replay will be available until Friday, July 31st. And that concludes our call. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you for participating in the USG Corporation's second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. This concludes the conference for today. You may all disconnect at this time.
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