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Joe Hagan has a big story on Goldman Sachs (GS) in this week’s New York, and Moe Tkacik and Matt Taibbi both pick up on the way that Hagan deals with Goldman’s share of the AIG (AIG) bailout funds. It’s worth quoting at some length:

Goldman Sachs was AIG’s biggest banking client, having bought $20 billion in credit-default swaps from the insurer back in 2005…

By that weekend in September, Goldman Sachs had collected $7.5 billion from its AIG credit-default swaps but had an additional $13 billion at risk—money AIG could no longer pay. In an age in which we’ve become numb to such astronomical figures, it’s easy to forget that $13 billion was a loss that could have destroyed Goldman at that moment.

Hank Paulson and then–New York Fed chief Tim Geithner called an emergency meeting for the following Monday morning…

At the meeting, it was hard to discern where concerns over AIG’s collapse ended and concern for Goldman Sachs began: Among the 40 or so people in attendance, Goldman Sachs was on every side of the large conference table, with “triple” the number of representatives as other banks, says another person who was there. The entourage was led by the bank’s top brass: CEO Blankfein, co-chief operating officer Jon Winkelried, investment-banking head David Solomon, and its top merchant-banking executive Richard Friedman—all of whom had worked closely with Hank Paulson two years prior…

On the government side, Goldman was also well represented: Geithner himself had never worked for Goldman, but he was an acolyte of former Goldman co-chairman and Clinton Treasury secretary Robert Rubin. Former Goldman vice-president Dan Jester served as Paulson’s representative from the Treasury. And though Paulson himself wasn’t present, he didn’t need to be: He was intimately aware of Goldman’s historical relationship with AIG, since the original AIG swaps were acquired on his watch at Goldman.

The Goldman domination of the meetings might not have raised eyebrows if a private solution had been forthcoming. But on Tuesday, Paulson reversed course and announced that the government would step in and save AIG, spending $85 billion in government money to buy a majority stake…

Of the $52 billion paid to AIG’s counterparties, Goldman Sachs was the biggest recipient: $13 billion, the entire balance of its claim. The amount was surprising: Banks like Merrill Lynch that had bought credit-default swaps from failed insurers other than AIG were paid 13 cents on the dollar in deals moderated by New York’s insurance regulator. Eric Dinallo, the former New York State insurance commissioner, who was at the AIG meetings, characterizes the decision this way: AIG’s counterparties, Goldman being the most prominent, “got to collect on an insurance policy without having the loss.”

Over time, it would appear to many that Goldman Sachs had received a backdoor bailout from a Treasury Department run by the firm’s former CEO. Why did Paulson bail out the banks that did business with AIG, critics have demanded ever since, and not Lehman Brothers? Certainly executives at Lehman want to know. (As one former Lehman managing director there puts it, “The consensus is that we were deliberately fucked.”)

The first thing worth noting here, beyond Hagan’s clearly prosecutorial stance, is that he’s got Eric Dinallo on the record criticizing the AIG bailout on the grounds that it was a backdoor Goldman Sachs bailout. That’s an important development, I think. Dinallo knows what he’s talking about, and he’s clearly not scared of annoying Goldman.

As Hagan notes, Dinallo was the person who orchestrated the unwind of smaller monolines’ positions; I believe that the 13-cents-on-the-dollar deal with Merrill Lynch was over CDS sold by ACA. I believe that ACA was rare in that it never had a triple-A rating to start with; Merrill was buying insurance from a single-A-rated insurer, which means that it had every reason to assiduously hedge its counterparty risk there.

I don’t think, in all fairness, that ACA ever provided all that much of a precedent for AIG. ACA was small enough that it could fail without much in the way of systemic consequences; it also had no consumer-facing obligations which it might default on. Even Taibbi seems to concede that if AIG had been allowed to fail, the entire financial system would have come down with it:

I was on a radio show a few weeks back with a hedge-fund manager, a Goldman apologist, who insisted on the air that Goldman would actually have made more money if AIG hadn’t been rescued, because the bank was properly hedged against AIG’s collapse… it wasn’t until the show was over that I realized the proper response to that argument was just, “Bullshit!” Goldman has been making that argument ever since the AIG bailout, but it has never come out and identified that magical counterparty or counterparties who’d have been able to come up with $20 billion after a system-wide financial collapse.

I think this is true. Yes, Goldman had as much counterparty hedging as it could, with respect to AIG, but counterparty hedging, like all hedging, is imperfect. For a detailed explanation of how Goldman hedged its counterparty risk, go here. But here’s the conclusion:

Ultimately, you try to hedge what you can hedge; what you can’t hedge, you try to quantify; what you can’t quantify, you try to understand; and what you can’t understand, you keep small enough not to sink the firm.

According to Hagan, Goldman failed on the last front: a loss of $13 billion on its AIG exposures would, he says, have sunk the firm. But then again, a loss of $13 billion on its AIG exposures would only have happened in the context of what Hagan calls “an overall collapse of the financial system” — and no investment bank is set up to survive that.

So yes, the AIG bailout was, to some degree, a Goldman bailout. But really the AIG bailout was a bailout of the entire financial system. Goldman was a beneficiary of that, to be sure, but so was every other financial company in existence.

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    “Ultimately, you try to hedge what you can hedge; what you can’t hedge, you try to quantify; what you can’t quantify, you try to understand; and what you can’t understand, you keep small enough not to sink the firm.”

    I believe for full understanding, you need to extend the final sentence with “OR you need to be the biggest political contributor on Wall Street and have your employees-on-sabbatical placed – sorry! ‘doing public service’ -- in all the right places.”

    Like Goldman protégé Tim Geithner as Secretary of the Goldman Corporate Welfare Department, formerly known as the US Treasury. Or former Treasury boss Hank Paulson, ex-CEO of Goldman who, as Treasury chief, picked Ed Liddy, a former Goldman executive that worked for him, to become CEO of AIG. I’m sure this is all just coincidence, of course…
    Jul 27 03:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    <so was every other financial company in existence>

    Only the big ones. Or put a better way, if a community bank fails and takes a small town down with it, does Felix hear a sound?
    Jul 27 03:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Of the $52 billion paid to AIG’s counterparties, Goldman Sachs was the biggest recipient: $13 billion, the entire balance of its claim. The amount was surprising: Banks like Merrill Lynch that had bought credit-default swaps from failed insurers other than AIG were paid 13 cents on the dollar in deals moderated by New York’s insurance regulator."

    Based upon the fact that GS was made whole (100 cents on the dollar), I conclude that it was a bailout by proxy. GS should have suffered some penalty as a result of their AIG exposure and lost a portion of the $13 billion at risk.
    Jul 27 04:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Very well written article. Exactly what I've been saying for months. I've gotten sick and tired of everyone screaming about GS "getting bailout funds indirectly through AIG," and being indignant that the government didn't stop AIG from paying claims to GS. But I say what was the point of bailing out AIG in the first place if it was then going default on its obligations?
    Jul 27 04:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    The most damining information: Dinallo's assertion that Goldman Sach got to collect on an insurance policy without having a loss.

    When last I heard the super senior CDOs insured by AIG had 3% that were not paying.

    A misstatement that needs correcting is that Paulson spent 85 billion buying AIG. The US Government loaned the money to AIG and recieved promises of repayment and heavy commitment fees, together with warrants at a nominal price for common shares equal to 80% of the company.

    Basically Paulson destroyed AIG to recue Goldman Sachs and other counterparties.
    Jul 27 04:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    "But really the AIG bailout was a bailout of the entire financial system. Goldman was a beneficiary of that, to be sure, but so was every other financial company in existence."

    Not sure if Lehman Bros. would agree with this assertion.....
    Jul 27 04:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Here's some additional background from "Tyler Durden"...

    seekingalpha.com/artic...

    Jul 27 05:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    While I agree with the thesis that this was a bailout of Goldman, it would also be fair to say it was a bailout for several European Banks also.

    I don't know how much the international issues played in the discussions of the bailout. The bailout of AIG did effect London and the EC.
    Jul 27 05:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    "it would also be fair to say it was a bailout for several European Banks also. I don't know how much the international issues played in the discussions of the bailout."

    Even if not spoken of, it would have been the elephant in the room.
    Jul 27 06:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm not sure it is worth making this into a "conspiracy" theory. My view

    GS was "smart" emough to buy "insurance" in a situation that they guessed might explode. AIG was "greedy" enough to sell it.

    The govt got caught in the middle.
    Jul 27 10:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but I do believe the US being a plutocracy where money rules, and where one helps / saves his interests. Who's pupils were heading the SEC ? Which rules have been amended to allow GS to become a bank overnight (over the week end), saving it in the last moment..? IMO it is a given that AIG was a GS bailout by proxy but better as a direct bailout would have hurt GS stakeholders.
    Jul 28 08:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    There is no need for the title of this article to be in the form of a question, unless we're playing Jeopardy! here. I mean, c'mon. Why do you suppose that the recipients of your money and the amounts (including the $13B of your dough that Goldman grabbed) were announced at the same time that they revealed that the guys at AIGFP were getting bonuses? Plenty of outrage about a hundred and sixty five million. None about scores and scores of billions to GS and a bunch of foreign banks. And yet there's STILL some doubt in your mind! GS pulled off this scam perfectly. In a better world they'd be spending the money on fees to their criminal lawyers.
    Jul 28 08:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    According to MarketWatch.com, "The U.S. government made a 23% return supporting Goldman Sachs during the global financial crisis, the investment bank said Wednesday as it unwound one of the last taxpayer-funded investments it received last year." This is incorrect. If you include the $13 Billion that Goldman received through AIG (to make Goldman whole on Credit Default Swap transactions) we lost around 53%.
    Jul 28 08:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    Essentially we spread the toxic MBS's and CDO's around the globe. AIG insured them and the govt became the underwriter. I don't think there was a choice. The world's capital markets would have collapsed. All the banks were equal, GS was just 'more' equal.and they recieved 13 billion in fresh money to speculate with.




    On Jul 27 10:09 PM Common Cents wrote:

    > I'm not sure it is worth making this into a "conspiracy" theory.
    > My view
    >
    > GS was "smart" emough to buy "insurance" in a situation that they
    > guessed might explode. AIG was "greedy" enough to sell it.
    >
    > The govt got caught in the middle.
    Jul 28 08:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    I had also heard that some very big beneficiaries were European Banks, and I wonder if International Central Bank relations did not have a very important influence.

    All I remember was that after Freddie and Fannie collapsed, things started to come apart very, very fast. In the banks, the standing orders were to collect from all the other banks before paying out any money. In other words, make sure you got paid, first, before releasing any money.

    Obviously, this led to things seizing up, and LIBOR spreads blew out.

    From what I remember, the Bear Stearns came apart, then the GSEs, then the AIG bailout, and the final straw was Lehman, where they simply ran out of money and/or viable buyers.

    That is when TARP was born, and although the initial rational, buying toxic assets, was poorly reasoned and driven by ideology more than anything else, the driving force was that they needed more funding.

    I love these 20/20 hindsight criticisms of this and TARP. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I could have been a billionaire.

    From where I sit, Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson should get the Freedom Medal for saving the world from a financial collapse.
    Jul 28 08:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    A few freudian skips and not a little GS spin in the article's conclusion and in some of the comments. Let's not skip the utter hubris of the current allocation for GS bonuses when the fact is GS should have gone the way of Lehman if it were not for GS alumni in gov't. GS alumni should now be lepers and all of them dismissed from gov't service. One comment completely misses the point of the Bubbles article. GS created the bubble, knew, did not guess, that the bubble they created would blow. And then hedged against the bubble they created and made money on the fraud and then on the crash. Now GS is busy creating the next bubble. This GS culture must be destroyed. The fed and treasury has to break up GS before they go private again. Further GS is in a regulated industry and is not and should not have the rights of other corporations that are not in a regulated industry. We need and Enron investigation of GS to prove and prosecute the fraud involved. I am sure they are already busy destroying emails.
    Jul 28 09:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    Take a look at the bigger picture... the actions that Paulson was involved in which led up to the meltdown in Fall 2008:

    During that same time frame from March onward, Paulson oversaw and participated in the virtual elimination of Bear Sterns, one of Goldman's biggest competitors, and at the same time Goldman got access to the Fed Discount window... ca-ching... billions of taxpayer "liquidity" which they no doubt used to trade the markets with, rather aggressively and I will "guess" rather successfully in the post Bear rally to 13K +/-.

    September, 2008. AIG. Enuff said.

    Sept 2008 - Paulson oversaw the destruction of Lehman, another of Goldman's biggest competitors. We know how that turned out (for Main Street not so hot... but for Goldman... TARP money and bonuses anyone?).

    Sept 2008 - Paulson oversees the forced marriage of Merrill to BAC, ANOTHER major competitor of Goldman... in a marriage that basically emasculates Merrill and causes a paralyzing clash of corprorate cultures with BAC.

    3 of your biggest competitors dead or crippled in 6 months. You were involved right up to your eyeballs in the decisions leading up to these outcomes. Many of your Goldman colleagues were major players or at least "in the room" during these events.

    Now Goldman sits virtually alone at the top of the pile of survivors, making vast profits, handing out vast bonuses, holding total, monopolistic control over key pieces of the market infrastructures such as the NYSE Supplemental Liquidity Provider (SLP) program, virtually admitting that it possesses programs designed to front-run the markets (but of course they would never actually use them for that purpose, right?).

    You never even considered recusing yourself from these critical decisions despite clear conflicts of interest from a public policy standpoint.

    Does anybody besides me see a pattern of behavior, a pattern that led to identical outcomes time after time after time, all centered around one man, a man who's immediately previous position had been CEO of the company that has benefitted more than any other company in the world by this chain of events?

    I believe that there should be a full investigation of this entire period, and that it should be conducted at and by the highest levels of government immediately... US AG, Congress, SEC, state AG's and insurance regulators, I don't give a fuck who gets involved, just DO IT.
    Jul 28 09:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    Step One: Paulson should go to jail. Cue up the prosecutors. Step Two: ban Goldman alums from government service.

    The alternative: La Guillotine (not so pretty).
    Jul 28 09:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    All I can say is the beat goes on. The more things appear to change, the more things remain the same. Look for the next bubble - CAP and TRADE! And who is going to be in the center of this? Guess!
    Jul 28 09:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    Keep up the excellent work on GS. I am convinced that if enough investigation is done into Goldman's trading practices during the fall of 08, more will come out. The CDS of every major firm were trading fast and furious with large volume. We all know they were not being used to hedge an underlying positions, but to deliberately bring down the confidence of the market, the equity and ultimately the collapse of some major competitors of GS and Hank Paulson.
    At this point only a wonded MS and BAC are left along with JPM. And GS has issued billions in bonds backed by the taxpayers, so they can take home fat bonuses.
    Jul 28 10:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    The entire financial environment in New York is rancid. Don't expect any form of investigation because the present administration, along with the last, has been co-opted by the bankster-gangsters.
    Jul 28 10:25 AM | Link | Reply
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    Every time I think of GS I become enraged. I am usually a calm American that believes in live and let live. I can't put my finger on what is triggering it. Without spending a fortune on physcological treatment. I thing it is because GS represents everything that is wrong today: corrupt politicians, financial manipulation and hubris.

    GS needs to be destroyed, it cannot be allowed to live. The longer it is allowed to survive the worse we will become. There I said it.
    Jul 28 10:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    Say what you want about Newt Gingrich, and this comment will likely bring an avalanche of thumbs down (I don't give a sh#t), but I watched Newt on tv about a year ago say that, to paraphrase, Paulson is a POS. And that it would be insane to have Paulson allocate any money because he would see to it that all the money would go to his GS buddies. Guess what.
    Jul 28 10:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Crooked finger Hank Paulson is a crook. He removed the uptick rule. He protected his cronies. He runs the most successful hedge fund going. ( surprise) and now it seems that the SEC made a rule to not show institutions weekly short positions? So much for transparancy. I agree with all the comments above. The pieces and players in this puzzle are getting exposed. So is that knowledge really of benifit to the bilked American public?
    Jul 28 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Common Cents:

    The "insurance" GS bought was the government. I'm told it is the best government money can buy.
    Jul 28 11:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    If AIG and Goldman Sachs had failed, the entire financial system would have collapsed - a very quick adjustment of the books. This is what capitalism calls for. The government then could have spread $2 trillion among every U. S. citizen and gotten a lot of bang for this buck and the economy would have jump started very quickly. Consumers would have kept businesses going with this burst of spendingand debt paydown..

    Of course predatory adjustable rate mortgages would have had to be rewritten from 13 percent to 4 or 5 percent. Some of these would still go under, but not as many.

    The government would have had to step in as an overseer of the financial system for check clearing, deposts etc., but the middle managers in the financial system would have kept operating as usual while the managers of all the failed institutions found out they are as expendable as all the factory workers whose jobs were callously outsourced to China, India and Mexico. Unpaid bonuses could be retained to raise capital or offset losses.

    We would not be still muddling along toward a still unseeable bottom as we are now.

    Banks could have been turned loose back into the dog eat dog arena of capitalism as they proved solvency or were transferred to a new bank company with a fresh balance sheet.

    The government should have always had an emergency plan like this in place to offset allowing such huge institutions to aggregate in the first place. Knowing this plan was pre-approved would have probably stopped some of the excessive risk taking in the first place.

    Too big to fail has turned in to so big the entire system is ruined.

    By the way, I have read AIG insured the Congressional and Senate pension system, which operates outside the safety net of Social Security. If this is true, the real instigator of the bailout was not Goldman Sachs but Congress, fearing loss of its lavish pension program.

    Disclosure: position in AIB, the irish bank, not a typo.
    Jul 28 11:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    I forwarded my above comments to my VT senior US Senator, Patrick Leahy, with a request that he call for an investigation of Paulson's actions for the period March 1, 2008 through January 20, 2009.

    I suggest that if anybody wants to get to the bottom of this freaking mess, they consider doing likewise.

    It would be about a 5 minute exercise in walking our talk. If you think you're too busy, copy and paste mine.
    Jul 28 11:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Re: AIG bailout and Goldman...You are totally mis stating the situation. If you want to accurately summarize what happened (not spin it as you have done) you would note that Goldman illegally influenced the head of the Treasury (a former Goldman employee/CEO) to ensure that Goldmans insurance company paid off its policies thus ensuring that Goldman avoided bankruptcy. While other financial institutions, such as Merrill saw their insurance issuers go under hence their policies were not paid off in full because the Treasurey Secretary chose not to bail out Merrills insurence provider, forcing Merrill into near bankruptcy. The cost to the American tax payers has been enormous and it is very unlikely that either the Treasury secretary or Goldman will be punished for this illegal and unethical behavior that has cost Tax Payers dearly. That would be the accurate manner of stating the situation.

    On Jul 27 10:09 PM Common Cents wrote:

    > I'm not sure it is worth making this into a "conspiracy" theory.
    > My view
    >
    > GS was "smart" emough to buy "insurance" in a situation that they
    > guessed might explode. AIG was "greedy" enough to sell it.
    >
    > The govt got caught in the middle.
    Jul 28 01:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Why anyone is surprised that a firm that has such incestuous ties to the government would be bailed like GS is beyond me.
    The only thing that no one is reporting properly is the grossly unethical conduct of Goldman of underwriting CDO's et al and going short with AIG like it was the end of time.
    Jul 28 01:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    One of the problems is that people are confusing smart with crooked, GS through Paulson as TS eliminated competition, put tax payers on the hook for their poorly assessed risk and made a killing with our money after paying us back peanuts.

    They used fear tactics about the government seizing everything while directing and profiting from the "seizure".

    Geithner should be fired and Herny Paulson should be in jail with Alan Greenspan. If we had the spirit that the citizens used to have it would be happening, Now we just play nice and get taken by thugs over and over.


    On Jul 27 10:09 PM Common Cents wrote:

    > I'm not sure it is worth making this into a "conspiracy" theory.
    > My view
    >
    > GS was "smart" emough to buy "insurance" in a situation that they
    > guessed might explode. AIG was "greedy" enough to sell it.
    >
    > The govt got caught in the middle.
    Jul 28 01:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    I don't disagree with these conclusions and postulations, but I am extermely irked by Goldman's (Blankfiend's) huberous over repaying their TARP funds as if they are so above it all... they didn't pay back the $12.9B in AG bailout and they position themselves a superior to the likes of Wells Fargo who used it's TARP funds (which they did not want) to bailout the FDIC/Treasury's ridiculous deal to support Citi's takeover of Wachovia! The press has been silent on the issue as well.
    Jul 28 01:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Think about a future with no former Goldman Sachs or Monsanto employees working in the federal government. The hatred of ex oil men in government is but a mere diversion compared to these people.

    Great post!
    Jul 28 01:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Angry Banker,

    It seems to me that, now that we have finally gotten to the truth -- that the Goldman Sachs and all the others that got the backdoor bailouts from AIG to allegedly "save the financial system", they and the others should now be required to pay it ALL back, before distributing obscene bonuses and salary to their executives.

    But, then, being a banker at, I suspect, Goldman Sachs, steeped in the idea that you are a privileged person to whom the world owe a living, you probably disagree, and think bonuses paid, essentially, with government bailout funds, are just fine and dandy. That is the real truth, isn't it?
    Jul 28 02:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    THANK YOU For Finally Letting the Truth Be known !!! The AIG bailout was a COVER TO SAVE GS Period ! By My Calculations
    GS got a $80 Billion of US Tax Paper money thru the Back door of AIG as they covered GS s Worthless CDS s . Dilan Radagen was kicked off CNBC as he was about to expose this last April , they gave him his own show Morning Meeting a month ago , its stupid well be cancelled by Fall and then he'll be gone , out of job cause he spoke the Truth to Power !

    Keep Up the Great Work , The World needs to know the TRUTH About GS !
    Jul 28 02:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have not seen one detailed cogent explanation by Geithner, Bernanke, Paulson, or anyone, on how a failure of AIG would have
    led to "the collapse of the global financial system". The essential communication has beenlimited to: "We have to avert disaster, we are at the edge of a cliff" Is an elementary, lucid roadmap of the likely consequences, detailed for the average layman, that expected to occur with AIG's failure to pay off its policyholders too much for the taxpayer to ask for? That it has not been forthcoming is an indication that no one really understood exactly what was happening during the fall of 2008, and that a small group of private and public bankers, were able to ram a policy through an intimidated uninformed Congress. A wholesale frighten and plunder of the American public done with speed that surely arouses the envy of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and thier "war on terror" henchmen.
    Jul 28 02:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    so we know that GS got 100cents inthe dollar on its AIG exposure while everyone else got 13 cents. looks to me that GS had to bemade whole. Also..it seems to me that everyone thinks they would be better off without GS around. So let;s see if Goldmans extracts cash of $13bn i.r.o of the $52bn pay off..whilst everyone else gets 13c out of the other $39bn then GS has been paid 87c per dollar more than anyone else. This is fraud. Also..if 13 billion would break GS and presumably GS had other risks too, who else did they "game" with this size of exposure that we aren't hering about. Maybe GS had borrowed from the Government or the other legalised price rigger, the Fed, in transactions that a tax payer would never in a million years be allowed to do. Exactly why are certain people entitled to push around trillions while no-one else is, when they cannot demonstrate value creation..it is not value creation to transfer taxpayer money to a failed institution.
    Jul 28 03:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    It kept Goldman's life insurer solvent. It looks like Goldman Sachs (GS) is going to leg over the Treasury once again. It is buying back the warrants it issued the Feds as part of its TARP dole out for a mere $1.1 billion, giving a 23% annualized return on the investment. Why is the government selling? Do you think GS knows something about its future earnings the government doesn’t? Could this be the greatest example of insider trading of all time? Has anyone at the Treasury considered keeping free calls on GS to maturity, as Warren Buffet is with his paper? Then they might be worth $10 billion, or even $100 billion. I know that if hedge funds could get these warrants at the same terms as the Treasury, they’d be loading the boat. Safe to say that when GS shakes your hand, you want to count all of your fingers afterward.
    Jul 28 03:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well, Oh Angry banker - You are definitely 'Odd man Out' here -

    and rightfully so.

    GS' ( JPM's ) Oil market manipulation of 2008 and even this spring..needs investigating too...!
    Jul 28 05:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    I detest GS and the crooked fraternity that the Bushites installed at the FED. The theory that Capitalism is a system based upon creative destruction is all balls. The stock market is all front-running. And now, let us not forget the god-damned FED. Helicopter SOB Bernake is forcing us to earn .5% on our miserable savings while the banks which have been rescued are charging us 13+ % on credit cards. He is going to force-feed bank profits till they are solvent.

    Had a chance of buying GS at 50, but I am so pissed off at them because they make money not because they are smart, but because of nepotism which lets them front-run. Long time ago, I was on the right side of the trade in the futures market when Volcker became the Fed-chief, but got screwed and lost a big bundle because of the same nepotism and front running by GS and JP Morgan, Chase and CITI which had to bailed out before the interest rates could go up. Sad story man, just like today. So, where is O'Bummer: BO or BM!
    Jul 28 05:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Im by no means advocating this but I read an interesting comment on Marketwatch.com stating something to the order of," wondering how much better off financially Americans would be if the 9/11 hijackers had flown into the GS building instead..."
    Jul 28 06:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    This article and recent history begs such questions as:

    1. Has Goldman Sachs replaced the press as being the "Fourth Estate" of America?

    2. Should there be a section in the US Constitution to accommodate Goldman Sachs and, indeed, all of Wall Street?

    3. Has the capital of the United States of America been shifted from Washington DC to Wall St., NY, NY? (was it ever in Wash. DC?)

    4.Should a newly enlisted soldier swear his or her allegiance to "preserve and protect" the Federal Reserve and the Harvard Business School from their enemies instead of the US Constitution?

    5. Should the fact that these questions have some relevance beyond being being mere rhetorical satire be disturbing?
    Jul 28 06:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    Although the Goldman execs are single-handedly responsible for much of the carnage in the financial markets in the past year, I imagine that as they survey the obliterated remains of the formerly competitive free marketplace, it still gives them pause. And although they know that in today's markets they make all the rules, they also know that there is a chance(however remote) that at some point things may revert back to a more fair playing field. Which is why I believe that the majority of the Goldman bigshots are steadily funding personal offshore stash accounts with millions, just in case. They may be crooked, but they aren't stupid. Every thief with a pulse is wondering why Madoff didn't transfer enough loot to personal overseas accounts( in countries with no extradition treaties) to provide for himself and family members in the eventuality that his scam crashed. I do not think this was lost on Goldman. Goldman may be well within the law now, but if the dynamics change down the road, the new rulemakers may decide that Goldman's been corrupt for years and it's time for them to pay.
    Jul 28 08:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    seems like a reasonable thought...shared loss.
    No sharing, then why...just another inside deal from my perspective.


    On Jul 27 04:05 PM markfl wrote:

    > "Of the $52 billion paid to AIG’s counterparties, Goldman Sachs was
    > the biggest recipient: $13 billion, the entire balance of its claim.
    > The amount was surprising: Banks like Merrill Lynch that had bought
    > credit-default swaps from failed insurers other than AIG were paid
    > 13 cents on the dollar in deals moderated by New York’s insurance
    > regulator."
    >
    > Based upon the fact that GS was made whole (100 cents on the dollar),
    > I conclude that it was a bailout by proxy. GS should have suffered
    > some penalty as a result of their AIG exposure and lost a portion
    > of the $13 billion at risk.
    Jul 28 08:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    Goldman profits were great news, really big too. Now at least we know the Goldman influence continues under Obama. If you look closely at what they do and how they do it you can get some clue how and what to trade. The Golden boys went long stocks in March and have started the unwinding process with the ultimate goal of going short, They have a short position in OIl but not a block buster size. They talk their book so you have to be careful.
    Jul 29 09:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    The step from the private sector to the public sector and back is small. This promotes the incest we see daily. The felonius assault on our country continues and as someone I deem wise has said, I hope the answer isn't gold and guns but I fear it is.
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    I believe the ACA settlement and restructuring was overseen by the Maryland Insurance Commissioner, Ralph Tyler. The counterparties received cash plus surplus notes in the restrutured organisantion which basically is the wind down of the comapnies remaining bond insurance business. The notes are superior in priority to the remaining shareholders of ACA.
    Jul 30 08:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    The bigger question here surrounds the City of London's role in bankrupting AIG -- whether this was a purposeful act of war against the people of the United States and whether Goldman bore any complicity in perpetrating an act of treason...
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    If there was any doubt that GS is a front for organized crime at the highest level it has all been removed in the last 12 months. No one I know believes that the monster can be contained. The only questions is will there ever be enough for these guys? It's just a game anymore. How many friggin' jets, yachts, and mansions does one man really need?

    On Jul 28 09:03 AM ain't no fortunate son wrote:

    > Take a look at the bigger picture... the actions that Paulson was
    > involved in which led up to the meltdown in Fall 2008:
    >
    > During that same time frame from March onward, Paulson oversaw and
    > participated in the virtual elimination of Bear Sterns, one of Goldman's
    > biggest competitors, and at the same time Goldman got access to the
    > Fed Discount window... ca-ching... billions of taxpayer "liquidity"
    > which they no doubt used to trade the markets with, rather aggressively
    > and I will "guess" rather successfully in the post Bear rally to
    > 13K +/-.
    >
    > September, 2008. AIG. Enuff said.
    >
    > Sept 2008 - Paulson oversaw the destruction of Lehman, another of
    > Goldman's biggest competitors. We know how that turned out (for Main
    > Street not so hot... but for Goldman... TARP money and bonuses anyone?).
    >
    >
    > Sept 2008 - Paulson oversees the forced marriage of Merrill to BAC,
    > ANOTHER major competitor of Goldman... in a marriage that basically
    > emasculates Merrill and causes a paralyzing clash of corprorate cultures
    > with BAC.
    >
    > 3 of your biggest competitors dead or crippled in 6 months. You were
    > involved right up to your eyeballs in the decisions leading up to
    > these outcomes. Many of your Goldman colleagues were major players
    > or at least "in the room" during these events.
    >
    > Now Goldman sits virtually alone at the top of the pile of survivors,
    > making vast profits, handing out vast bonuses, holding total, monopolistic
    > control over key pieces of the market infrastructures such as the
    > NYSE Supplemental Liquidity Provider (seekingalpha.com/symbo...)
    > program, virtually admitting that it possesses programs designed
    > to front-run the markets (but of course they would never actually
    > use them for that purpose, right?).
    >
    > You never even considered recusing yourself from these critical decisions
    > despite clear conflicts of interest from a public policy standpoint.
    >
    >
    > Does anybody besides me see a pattern of behavior, a pattern that
    > led to identical outcomes time after time after time, all centered
    > around one man, a man who's immediately previous position had been
    > CEO of the company that has benefitted more than any other company
    > in the world by this chain of events?
    >
    > I believe that there should be a full investigation of this entire
    > period, and that it should be conducted at and by the highest levels
    > of government immediately... US AG, Congress, SEC, state AG's and
    > insurance regulators, I don't give a fuck who gets involved, just
    > DO IT.
    Jul 30 06:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    The author is on the right general track here, but he missed some critical issues. GS would not have gone down if they hadn't been paid the $13 billion, because they never had anywhere near that amount at risk. CDS are leveraged bets that typically cost about $2.50 per $100 of insurance per year. So, depending on how long they held the CDS, which was probably a year or two, they probably had something less than $700 million invested in them, perhaps as little at $300 million.

    Secondly, remember that CDS are a form of insurance. Normally, insurance is purchased for property owned by the insured. These CDS were "naked," however, which means that GS never owned the underlying mortgages that were being insured. When an insurer pays off a loss, they have the right to take the impaired assets in exchange for the payoff. (For example, a car insurer owns the totalled vehicle after it pays off the owner.) GS should have been forced to go into the market and buy mortgages, which it would have then had to turn over to AIG when the payoff was made. (After all, the mortgages were only impaired, not worthless.) By buying mortgages in the open market, this would have created demand, which would have increased the mortgages value and reduced the loss exposure. So, AIG would have ended up with mortgages that it could have later sold, and those mortgages would have had a clearer, higher market value, as they would have recently traded in the market. Instead, AIG and the government simply paid GS off with 100 cents on the dollar (the $13 billion). This was the greatest ripoff of all time. No wonder GS was able to set aside $11 billion in bonus money in the recent quarter! The $13 billion AIG payoff was virtually pure profit!

    It's clear that our government is in GS's pocket. The only reason this isn't a huge scandal is because the public doesn't understand the complexity of these transactions. Geithner said repeatedly that we (the people) have to honor these contracts, yet they didn't make GS honor the typical collateral provisions of CDS as mentioned above, and they turned around and nullified contract after contract in the GM and Chrysler matters. There has been absolutely no logic or consistency throughout this entire bailout process.

    GS should have had to take a full loss on these CDS. They made a speculative bet with a casino that didn't know how to compute the odds. What happened to "let the buyer beware?" I thought the GS guys were the smartest guys on Wall St., but they should have thought harder about the credit quality of their counterparty. Barring this approach, the CDS should have been nullified and GS should have had its original investment returned to it; i.e., the $700 million or less discussed above. Frankly, though, why pay them off at all. If you want to dampen the casino mentality on Wall Street, then people need to know that they've got to absorb their own losses.

    We should all be horribly outraged over this, and we should never let our politicians forget it. This must not happen again.
    Aug 01 11:32 AM | Link | Reply