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What is Vonage (VG) doing with a NYSE listing? It’s been trading at under a buck a share since last December — and it received a delisting notice as long ago as October 2008. Somehow, it managed to persuade the NYSE not to delist it in April, but it’s very unclear how. The stock has been languishing at about 40 cents since February, it’s lucky to get one analyst asking questions on its conference calls, and — this is my favorite datapoint — according to its latest results, its book value is negative to the tune of more than $108 million: the company has $334 million in assets, and $442 million in liabilities. Net income of $1 million in the most recent quarter (or $0.01 per share) isn’t going to make much of a dent in that.
I signed up for Vonage service in April 2003, so I’m a customer of long standing. There have been rocky periods along the way, especially as regards voice quality, but the thing which strikes me most is the fact that back then, when I signed up, the standard residential calling plan was $25.99 a month. Over the intervening six years, Vonage has faced huge competition, not only from triple-play packages and from Skype and Google Voice and the like, but also from people simply giving up land lines altogether for their cellphones. That has helped to push prices down, even as significant technological advances have helped to pull prices down. Today, the price of the standard calling plan has plunged all the way to… $24.99 a month.
I have too many phone numbers: my home phone (Vonage), my work phone, my iPhone, and my BlackBerry. And that’s not including my Skype and iChat accounts. I have more access to more telecommunications capability than I really know what to do with, especially since increasingly I communicate not by voice but rather by Twitter (when it’s up) and IM. Vonage isn’t really saving me money any more: it’s just an extra cost every month which I have increasing difficulty justifying.
I like having a home phone, I don’t particularly want to give up my home phone number, and through sheer inertia I’m likely to keep my Vonage account for the time being. But it’s hard to see much of a future for Vonage itself. The stock market has long since worked this out. Why hasn’t the NYSE?
(see Vonage earnings call transcript)
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Vonage is way overpriced and doomed.
you sound like the guy defending the buggy whip industry in early 1900's as a sound long term investment.
Of course, the demise of POTS could be many years away, but beyond the interconnect, what does Vonage offer that has not already been trivially duplicated?
Vonage's competition:
www.voip-info.org/wiki...
Also, notwithstanding the cost of running the PC 24/7, something geeks like me do anyway, what does one use for a phone during a PC failure while one is rebuilding one's PC and re-installing all apps?
MagicJack is not ready for prime time. Great if it works, but not ready to compete with Vonage.
Last qtr VG generated more than $220 million in revenue in one qtr,and lowered their expenses to $205 million.
That translates into $15 million to the good of which they improved their cash position from $84 million to $96 million.
4-5 more disasterous qtrs like this one and they can retire every share of stock at the current mkt cap, and still have $84 million in the bank.
What seems unusual is the number of people who think VG is doomed, but who buy telecom stocks offering POTS service. If you hate VG because of competition, or cell phone headed, you better short the hell out of the Bells, because they're much more expensive than VG, and they're still charging extremely non-competitive rates.
I myself switched to VG after I got a long distance bill from ATT, plus my DSL, plus my ordinary service, for $98.
That number is now $40 using VG plus a dsl service.
The VG bet is that there still may be 100 million accounts like mine to target. VG has 2.5 million of them.
Now consider that SkYPE is about to be sold back to its founders for half of what EBAY paid to buy them a few years back. SKYPE revenue in 2008 was $381 million. VG $900 million.
Current bid for SKYPE looks like it will be $1.55 billion. VG capitalization $60 million.
There's more..Last qtr VG reported that it's income from it's existing base of subscriber before marketing expense came in at $94 million for the QUARTER.
That means that this much maligned company, founded on $900 million equity investment, plus another $250 million in debt, has a base of customers that generates more income than SKYPE does in revenues. Yet EBAY is about to get an offer to buy SKYPE of 26 times the present capitalization of VG, from Skype's founders.
I am not too concerned that analyst are not paying attention to this stock; most of them cannot figure what is happening to the market. If they did, why be an anaylst; just buy and sell and live off the profits!!!!!
"But it’s hard to see much of a future for Vonage itself. The stock market has long since worked this out. Why hasn’t the NYSE?
This is your advice to people if they listened to you and saw no future? then the stock goes up 500%!!! Now what do you say...You bash the company, can you bash your website and your self for costing people money!!?
Well, I joked when I said I listened to you, I just didnt invest and I missed out on a big opportunity. I learned a long time ago, you and your counterparts are total idiots. I have other investments that you bash and I am up big on....You should really put a disclaimer saying that your opionion is worthless, in fact your opinions can cost it's readers big money..