Target Corporation Q2 2009 Earnings Call Transcript

Aug.18.09 | About: Target Corporation (TGT)

Target Corporation (NYSE:TGT)

Q2 2009 Earnings Call

August 18, 2009 10:30 am ET


Gregg Steinhafel – President & CEO

Kathryn Tesija – EVP Merchandising

Douglas Scovanner – EVP & CFO


Jeff Klinefelter – Piper Jaffray

Daniel Binder – Jefferies & Co.

Neil Currie – UBS

Charles Grom – JPMorgan

Mark Miller - William Blair

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

Gregory Melich - Morgan Stanley

Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs


Welcome to the Target Corporation second quarter earnings release conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Gregg Steinhafel, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer; please go ahead sir.

Gregg Steinhafel

Good morning and welcome to our 2009 second quarter earnings conference call. On the line with me today are Douglas Scovanner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Kathryn Tesija, Executive Vice President Merchandising.

During our call I will provide a brief overview of our second quarter performance in view of the current environment and Douglas will provide more detail about our financial results and outlook and Kathryn will share some insight about our guests and provide some of our key strategic initiatives and merchandise highlights for the fall season.

Finally we’ll open the phone line for a question-and-answer session. As a reminder we’re joined on this conference call by investors and others who are listening to our comments today live via web cast.

Following this conference call John Hulbert and Douglas will be available throughout the remainder of the day to answer any follow-up questions you may have. Also, as a reminder, any forward-looking statements that we make this morning are subject to risks and uncertainties, the most important of which are described in our SEC filings.

We’re very pleased with Target’s second quarter financial results which were well above expectations. Profitability within our retail segment was quite strong due to impressive gross margin rate performance and disciplined expense control across the enterprise and our credit card segment generated profits in a quarter when most other card issuers have reported losses.

We continue to manage our business with thoughtful discipline, responsibly controlling both expense and capital investment to match the environment. At the same time we are maintaining a steadfast commitment to all our brands and a healthy appetite to invest when we see an opportunity.

We believe that the best way to emerge strong from the worst economic downturn in decades is to stay true to our strategy, while preserving appropriate financial flexibility. While our comparable store sales gap with Wal-Mart narrowed in the quarter by more than two percentage points compared with our first quarter, our top line performance particularly in discretionary categories remained our biggest challenge.

Consumers remained cautious resulting in weak guest traffic and transaction size, retail prices especially in food and commodities continued to decline resulting in deflationary pressures and the economic recovery appeared to temporary stall as the country cycled the impact of last year’s stimulus checks.

While I’m not satisfied with our recent sales results, I am pleased with the resiliency of our business model in this environment and how our teams are executing our core strategies. We firmly believe that our expect more pay less brand promise is as relevant now as its even been and as a result we’re aggressively pursuing initiatives in both merchandising and marketing that our reinforce our differentiated approach, as well as our strong value commitment.

In a few minutes Kathryn will describe in more detail several of our upcoming design partnerships that will create excitement throughout our assortments and some of the initiatives that will help drive traffic to our stores and convert guest visits into profitable sales.

But a few of our strategic efforts bear highlighting first, one of our most important strategic initiatives is our P-Fresh grocery format, which is now available in more than 40 new and remodeled stores. We continue to hear from guests that they love the assortment and visual appeal of this innovative concept and sales in these stores continue to meet or exceed our expectations.

Before year end we plan to have P-Fresh in over 100 Target stores as we continue to evaluate and refine the content adjacencies and visual elements. We also continue to consolidate and reposition our own brands to drive value for our guests and generate incremental sales and gross margin for Target.

Later this fall we’ll complete the phased introduction of our new Up and Up brand, which replaces Target brand as our core commodity’s owned brand. Guest response to Up and Up has been very positive and is expected to continue to strengthen as guests become more familiar with the brand and more knowledgeable about the exceptional value of these everyday essentials.

Last month we rolled out our low price promise across the chain explicitly communicating that Target stores are now matching competitors’ advertised prices on identical items in local markets. The program underscores the value of Target’s everyday pricing and gives our guests the assurance that they don’t have to compromise even when our competitors have an item on sale.

And earlier this month we announced our plans to build and manage our own platform for reflecting our belief that an integrated multi channel strategy will be key to our future growth. We expect to launch our new site before holiday season 2011.

I remain confident that Target is well positioned to grow profitably and deliver superior shareholder value over time. And I believe that we are effectively managing our business to compete and capture market share even in the current economic environment.

Though still early our back to school, back to college results are encouraging and our August month to date sales have shown modest improvement from recent trends. Before I turn the call over to Douglas, I’d like to take a moment to thank so many of you for your support in our proxy contest last May and for your willingness to engage with us on important strategic and governance issues.

We continue to keep your input top of mind as we move forward with our strategy. Now, Douglas will provide more detail on Target’s second quarter financial results which we announced earlier this morning.

Douglas Scovanner

Thanks Gregg, in my remarks today I plan to discuss key aspects of second quarter performance in our two business segments and I’ll provide some insight into our expectations for key metrics and overall earnings for the second half of the year.

As we announced this morning, Target earned $0.79 per diluted share in the second quarter. In light of our previously reported sales for the period, we are delighted with these results. Our retail segment continues to show surprising strength in generating gross margin and continues to reflect execution of thoughtful and disciplined expense controls.

Separately our credit card segment continues to exhibit stability and modest profitability in stark contrast to the credit card results of nearly all other similar competitive card programs in 2009. Let’s begin with a more detailed review of our retail segment for the quarter.

Our pace of sales remains challenging with comparable store sales down 6.2% in the quarter. Average transaction size contributed more to this result then did our traffic trends although each of these factors contributed to our sales decline.

In turn units per transaction had a greater impact on the change in the average dollar value of our transactions then did average selling price per unit. In light of this top line performance we were able to deliver much stronger profitability then we expected. Our gross margin rate expanded 70 basis points in the quarter and 40 basis points year to date as we were able to more than offset the adverse sales mix impact in these periods, through remarkable margin rate expansion in many categories.

In isolation this mix impact would have been about 45 basis points in the quarter and more than 65 basis points so far this year, in other words factors beyond mix added a little more than one full percentage point to our gross margin rate in these periods.

As in any quarter rate improvements reflect a variety of ongoing efforts that Kathryn and her team pursue to drive retail segment profitability. About half of this quarter’s category rate improvement was the result of meaningfully lower transportation costs, driven by a combination of lower crude oil costs, and transportation industry capacity dynamics.

Separately we’re also beginning to experience cost reductions on a variety of products across a number of merchandise categories. As we move into the fall, some of these benefits are likely to moderate through sharper pricing and diminished year over year changes in energy costs.

On the expense side our retail segment turned in another outstanding quarter of performance. SG&A expenses declined slightly in overall dollars in the quarter, a remarkable achievement given the 71 additional stores we had open at the end of the second quarter compared to a year ago.

This performance reflects disciplined execution and continued strong productivity improvements in our stores’ organization. Year over year net timing issues were about neutral in the quarter. Turning next to our credit card segment, our second quarter and year to date results were fully consistent with the expectations we previously laid out.

Our overall profitability and return profile is good in an absolute sense and remarkably strong relative to others in this business. Quarter end gross receivables were down approximately $350 million or 4% from last year, consistent with our expectations.

Total card revenue as a percent of receivables was slightly higher than a year ago despite a significant decline in the prime rate during this period. The largest factor here is the yield benefit of the terms changes we’ve implemented in response to the super harsh credit environment.

Net write-offs were $304 million in the second quarter in line with our expectations laid out six months which we reiterated three months ago. More importantly this experience is consistent with the reserve we had in place at the beginning of these periods.

All together the credit card segment delivered $63 million of free cash segment profit in the quarter. While this dollar profit was modestly below last year’s level, the average of our capital invested in assets of this segment declined at a faster pace, both as a result of the JPMorgan Chase investment and the year over year decline in receivables I’ve already discussed.

The result of these dynamics was a modest increase in our pre-tax credit card segment ROIC reflecting an annualized return of 8.8% this year compared to 8.2% last year. Looking forward to the final two quarters of the year, the single biggest variable in our enterprise remains the pace of sales in our retail business segment.

From a comparison standpoint last year’s third and fourth quarter comparable store sales numbers create the potential for better year over year trends in the next two quarters even without any change in this year’s run rate. This is most notable in the fourth quarter when we’ll be comparing against a 5.9% comparable store sales decline in 2008.

That said we continue to be cautious in our outlook in our fourth quarter inventory commitments are not based on any expected improvement in our sales trend other than the benefit provided by a relatively easier comparison.

And while it remains possible that fourth quarter comps could return to positive territory we’re not counting on it. Focusing next on gross margin rate, we believe underlying trends of sales mix and margin rate within categories are likely to continue, although with different likely year over year outcomes in the next two quarters specifically we envision some gross margin rate compression in the third quarter followed by a return to gross margin rate expansion in the fourth quarter.

On the expense side we continue to expect superb expense controls across the enterprise but clearly the year over year trends in dollars will not be as strong in the second half of the year due to some timing issues and especially because our expenses in the fourth quarter of 2008 were very lean, perhaps even too lean.

All in, we expect to turn in a very strong expense result for the fall and for the full year this likely will mean a low single-digit increase in expense dollars. In our credit card segment we expect year over year reductions in gross receivables to continue for the balance of this year and into 2010, perhaps down by a billion dollars or so by year end.

We expect our dollar delinquencies to continue to reflect stability or slight improvement and our write-offs in dollars will be similar in the next two quarters to the past two with some likelihood for a slightly better result in the third quarter.

Overall we expect to continue to produce appropriate profitability and returns on invested capital in this business segment. Finally I want to provide an update on our new store opening plans, in October we’ll add our last wave of 2009 new stores and for the year in total we continue to expect to open about 75 new stores, adding just under 60 locations net of closings and relocations.

In our last two conference calls we’ve indicated that we only had a handful of new store projects approved for 2010 but that we still had some flexibility to approve a small number of additional October, 2010 new stores.

We can now provide a more definitive picture of our 2010 program. As of today we expect to open a total of about 12 new stores in 2010 and will close or relocate two or three stores resulting in about 10 openings on a net basis.

A few final comments on cash flow and debt before we focus on EPS for the rest of the year, we continue to expect to generate in excess of $4 billion of cash flow from operations this year and continue to expect to reinvest a little over $2 billion of capital in our retail segment.

This means we’re right on track to retire our debt maturities this year with internally generated cash flow, paid off our second and final large 2009 maturity subsequent to quarter end. As a result it remains likely that we would only approach the term debt markets this year if some unique opportunity were to present itself.

Let’s pull together all of these forward-looking statements to focus on our outlook for earnings generation, the current fall season median first call estimate is $1.49, which would lead to a full year earnings per share of approximately $2.97 in light of today’s reported results.

We believe this represents a reasonable single point estimate for the year but importantly though, if our fall results turned out to be exactly $1.49 I think we would likely exceed the current fourth quarter median estimate of $1.04 by several cents and fall short of the current third quarter estimate of $0.45 by a similar amount.

Now Kathryn will share some of the key merchandise initiatives we’re pursuing in the third quarter and throughout the holiday season.

Kathryn Tesija

Thanks Douglas, as you’ve already heard this morning, our sales continued to be led by strong trends in our need based categories which continue to generate positive comps and gain market share.

The overall sales trend remained challenging in the quarter as our comparable store sales softened more than two percentage points compared to the first quarter. This change was driven in equal parts by slower traffic and lower transaction amounts as our guests remained cautious in their shopping behavior.

Our latest guest research provides insight into the drivers of our sales. Our best guest continues to curtail their trips to Target as they are cutting back their discretionary trips in order to meet their budget needs.

In addition weekend trips for our best guests have declined more than weekday trips making a mind set and behavioral shift as guests now focus their shopping more on need then entertainment which has the impact of skewing purchases more towards need based commodity and food items, and less toward discretionary wants in apparel and home.

Our research also indicates that guest satisfaction with Target continues to be among the highest in the industry, that Target’s price perception in the marketplace particularly in our everyday pricing is improving, and that store loyalty from our guest remains high as we continue to gain affluent guests from department stores.

With the great focus on needs based shopping trips its not surprising that healthcare, food and beauty continued to be among our strongest categories delivering comparable store sales increases even in the face of overall traffic declines.

In healthcare we continued to grab share from other channels and are seeing big increases in script volume due to our $4.00 and $10.00 generic programs. Our pharmacy rewards program also continues to gain momentum. Participants in this program visit more often and spend more on each visit.

Beauty sales are benefiting from the introduction of new technology and new brands and affluent aging populations, and guest migration from department stores and even while we’re experiencing price deflation on some food items, the grocery category continues to see positive comps overall benefiting from increased space and emphasis in our general merchandise stores and continued development of new products in our own brands, which now account for more than 20% of our food sales.

In contrast our more discretionary home and apparel categories continued to be softer than the rest of the store in the second quarter. Overall comp sales in these categories declined in the high single-digit to low double-digit range. Our strongest results in apparel were in performance active wear and newborn infant, toddler categories, while we saw particular softness in shoes and women’s apparel.

And while our apparel sales trends are still not where we want them to be, we are pleased that the gap between the apparel sales and the rest of the store narrowed in the quarter. In home we saw relative strength in seasonal categories including back to school items with below average performance in decorative home and garden particularly in patio furniture, a category we had planned very conservatively for the year.

In addition to our intense focus on driving top line growth, we continue to conservatively manage our inventories to help us navigate the challenging sales environment while delivering supply chain efficiency, maintaining appropriate in stock levels, and improving gross margin rates.

We are employing both SKU reduction and segmentation strategies to achieve these results and simultaneously reducing store labor and clearance markdowns. We exited the second quarter with inventories in very good condition, which has contributed to our favorable markdown rates, margin performance, and overall profitability.

As we make plans for the next few quarters we know that even though our sales in discretionary categories are soft at the moment, they are key to our long-term success because of the value they bring to our guests, our brand, and our profitability.

Throughout the fall season we’ll continue to demonstrate our commitment to differentiated content and provide compelling reasons for guests to shop at Target with the introduction of several new upcoming designers. Our August assortment features new design partnerships including; a new jewelry collection by Anna Sheffield that offers unique sterling silver designs all priced at $49.99 or less for a limited time only.

Jay Hersh and her Hollywood Intuition collection in accessories, Hersh brings her iconic flare to Target as the founder of Intuition Boutique in Los Angeles, a favorite shopping destination for Hollywood’s most famous celebrities and fashionistas. The line will be available at least until spring 2010 and plays on the most popular trends that our guests are seeing in magazines making them attainable and affordable. Prices for the line range from $3.00 to $30.00.

In September we welcome world renowned fashion icon Anna Sui for our second designer collaboration collection available in stores and on for five weeks. We are thrilled to offer her vibrant, pop culture inspired collection with its vintage influences and sophisticated nuances to our guests at a great value.

And I’m excited that Target is the exclusive mass retail partner for Pearl Jam’s ninth studio album, Backspacer. We forged a unique partnership with the band that allows the album also to be sold online and in independent music stores, respecting the band’s fans first philosophy while delivering unique value for Target guests.

The first single debuted at number two on Billboard’s rock chart and the album has no signs of slowing down. Later this year Target is partnering with acclaimed handbag designer Carlos Falchi to launch a limited addition handbag collection, Carlos Falchi for Target.

The line features the designer’s vivid combinations of color, pattern and texture in deep hues and jewel tones on signature silhouettes. The hobos, satchels, shoulder and messenger bags in shades of plum, teal, brown, black and grey, are elegant yet functional with their interior compartments and pockets large enough to fit everyday needs.

The exotic collection features Falchi’s iconic techniques and prints with intricate stitching details at amazingly affordable prices ranging from $19.99 to $49.99. The collection will be available at Target stores and on beginning early November through the end of December.

Beyond our fashion programs we’re focused on driving excitement and traffic with our third quarter seasonal programs. Our back to school and back to college campaigns are off to a good start. Month to date our August sales are slightly above our expectations and this year’s pricing environment appears to have moderated in terms of promotions and intensity.

In these key seasonal programs we’re featuring the products students want most, and that appeal to our guests’ budgets. From school basics to the latest fashions, to unique designer partnerships, like the drawer for Target home collection, guests can trust Target to deliver an exceptional, affordable shopping experience.

We’re driving traffic and sales during this key season through our circulars, direct mail incentives and for back to college, a much more aggressive social and online media mix. We’ll continue the seasonal excitement with Halloween, where we’ll capitalize on the fact that Halloween and all the parties will fall on a Saturday this year.

We’ll show our guests how to throw a great party for less with many party favors and accessories under $3.00 and our exclusive [Scholanimals] theme, we’ll create a differentiated one stop entertaining shop and a strong value message.

We’re also focusing on initiatives to build on our current success in our frequency businesses. In our pharmacies we’re growing our top line through a combination of service, compelling loyalty programs, and strategic account acquisitions.

When combined with the cost savings achieved through more efficient operations and optimized store pharmacy hours, we’ve generated the necessary resources to more effectively market this key business. As a result we’re launching an unprecedented integrated marketing campaign to drive even greater awareness for our pharmacy services and convert more Target guests into Target pharmacy guests.

The campaign features our first ever pharmacy TV spot, extensive online advertising and online videos with pharmacists answering common pharmacy questions. These efforts will help contribute to store wide sales growth as loyal pharmacy guests are some of our best guests in terms of frequency and basket size.

And as Gregg has already mentioned we continue to expand our commitment to grocery with the planned expansion of P-Fresh. P-Fresh will roll out to more than 30 Target stores in the Philadelphia market over the next two months and we intend to incorporate this expanded food offering into a substantial portion of our chain over the next three years dramatically improving our ability to deliver the convenience of a one stop shopping experience for our guests.

We continue to leverage our innovative culture, collaborative teams, disciplined execution, and brand equity to address the challenges of the current environment and best meet the needs of our guests.

We remain committed to delivering an exceptional, affordable every day shopping experience to satisfy loyal Target guests, attract new guests, drive trips, and generate profitable sales. Now Gregg has a few concluding remarks.

Gregg Steinhafel

As you can see we’re aggressively pursuing initiatives to drive results across our business in what continues to be a very challenging retail environment. We are confident that we have the right strategy and the right team to execute this strategy and we believe our efforts will produce profitable market share growth and generate superior shareholder value in the months and years ahead.

That concludes our prepared remarks, now we will be happy to respond to your questions.

Question-and-Answer Session


(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Jeff Klinefelter – Piper Jaffray

Jeff Klinefelter – Piper Jaffray

Congratulations on a really well managed second quarter, in terms of your guidance for gross margin, could you just comment a little bit more with respect to your directional guidance on Q3 being down slightly, Q4 being up in the context of how you originally forecast in Q1 and Q2, meaning before you delivered upside, is the same possibility out there for Q3 or what would be causing the pressure downward as opposed to what happened in Q1 and Q2.

Douglas Scovanner

As I mentioned in my remarks about half of the gross margin rate expansion in Q2 that was unrelated to mix was driven by favorable transportation dynamics largely crude oil year over year and secondarily transportation industry dynamics. Crude oil averaged about $130.00 a barrel in the second quarter last year and fell quite significantly in Q3 so the year over year transportation benefit clearly is not likely to be as strong in Q3 this year as it was in Q2 this year.

Separately our plans have always envisioned a decline in Q3 followed by a rebound in Q4 in gross margin rate year over year given the base of performance in last year’s Q3 and Q4. Excluding mix we had a good strong performance in Q3 last year, excluding mix we had a very weak performance in Q4 last year due to our markdown experience.

So stir all those dynamics together I think it is more likely then not that we’ll have gross margin rate declines year over year in Q3 and more likely then not we’ll have gross margin rate in expansion in Q4 year over year.

Jeff Klinefelter – Piper Jaffray

And then in terms of second half opportunities and thinking more specifically about electronics and entertainment given the Circuit City liquidation and some other trends in that category do you see that as an opportunity for Target to take some share. If so is it in certain categories and then on apparel performance, it sounds like your performance apparel was a standout in the second quarter, were there some changes to pricing that helped you drive additional volume in that category.

Kathryn Tesija

First on your question with electronics and entertainment, we have seen some nice share gains so far this year and I would anticipate that that would continue throughout the year given Circuit City and in addition some of the strength in the categories that we do well in. So TVs are performing exceptionally well, some of the computer peripheral product, some of the portable audio, so I do expect that we should have some nice share gains in the back half.

In terms of apparel, we have not had much decrease in pricing yet this year so some of the cost savings that we’ve talked about already are really coming a little bit later in the year and those we would be reinvesting in price or in quality to make sure that we remain competitive in the marketplace, but not much in the second quarter.


Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Binder – Jefferies & Co.

Daniel Binder – Jefferies & Co.

The credit portfolio has been coming along nicely, yields are up, we saw with the filing this morning that the early stage delinquencies, it ticked up a little bit which I think was in part just because the denominator is shrinking, the portfolio is shrinking, and I’m just curious as we look forward what would you expect the delinquency rates to do as the portfolio shrinks and what are the implications for the reserve.

Douglas Scovanner

I don’t think that delinquency rates are likely to change materially in the fall with the one exception of course the rates have a seasonal pattern as the denominator grows in the holiday season and dollar delinquencies do not. I’m very comfortable with our current reserve. I think it appropriately balances between the enthusiasm I might get looking at the fact that our dollar delinquencies are about $100 million lower today then the were in say February offset by the fact that unemployment rates continue to rise and are likely to continue to rise in the next several months.

Bankruptcies are up considerable year over year, recoveries of gross write-offs are down, payment rates remain stubbornly low and so forth and so I think that the reserve that we’ve established is the right reserve in light of the balance between those opportunities and risks.

Daniel Binder – Jefferies & Co.

And just a follow-up question, you outlined your store plan for next year, I’m just curious with the P-Fresh initiative and the remodels you’ll be doing how we should think about CapEx for next year in terms of maintenance CapEx versus new store CapEx.

Douglas Scovanner

Well we haven’t put out any specific guidance for 2010 CapEx at this point obviously in light of our store count discussion; the sub component of our CapEx to build new stores will likely be lower next year than this year.

I stress the word likely because in any given year we typically lay out a lot of capital to build the following year stores and so it remains to be seen how large our 2011 plan would be and how much of a contributing factor that could turn out to be to 2010 new store CapEx. But we’ll be taking a comprehensive look at our P-Fresh program over the next couple of months and together with our Board we’ll determine the pace of remodeling activity that seems appropriate in light of the results as a starting point.

I think it’s a responsible benchmark to think of 2010 CapEx in the aggregate as being the same, maybe a little higher than this year with some meaningful movement among the sub components.


Your next question comes from the line of Neil Currie – UBS

Neil Currie – UBS

On inventories, I was a little bit surprised to see total inventories up year over year and inventory days up, although the inventories per store were pretty flat. I was expecting a little bit more of a reduction, is there anything behind that.

Douglas Scovanner

No I think from my standpoint the answer to the question was imbedded in one of the facts you cited, square footage is up 5.3% year over year and inventories are up 2.9%. I mean we certainly don’t directly control the pace of sales in the short run and so inventory to sales certainly are going to deteriorate in any period in which our same store sales are as weak as they were in Q2.

On balance inventories are in great shape at this point.

Neil Currie – UBS

Just secondly on the gross margin it was certainly an impressive performance but your sales performance particularly when comparing to some other value retailers, like TJ Maxx, Ross, Wal-Mart, hasn’t been as impressive and I’m a little puzzled as to first of all why you’re not getting better sales given that you’re a value retailer and secondly why you’re not using the strong gross margin growth to either reinvest in further price improvements or highlight value more aggressively instead of passing it through to the bottom line. So my two questions are first of all, what’s you’re impression of why you’re not necessarily getting the recognition on value that you deserve, is it perception or reality and secondly will you do something about it and if so will it be different to what you’ve done in the past.

Gregg Steinhafel

As I said in my remarks, we are disappointed in our top line performance. Clearly we have a great value proposition and we want to remain and have been competitive from a price standpoint so, we felt that it was appropriate to reinvest in lower prices, we’ve done so yet we don’t want to go below where the market it.

So some of that savings does go to the bottom line. We’ve been working very aggressively trying to find the right and strike the right balance between our expect more pay less marketing message and its primarily a perception in the marketplace that our value proposition may not be quite as strong as some of the competitors that you’ve cited.

But our research says that the re branding campaigns and the broadcasts and the in store signing are starting to move the needle slightly. We’re starting to see slight basis points improvement in our price perception vis-a-vie where we were in prior periods. So we believe that we’re on the right track.

We’ve made the right adjustments. We believe that over time we’ll continue to narrow that perception gap.


Your next question comes from the line of Charles Grom – JPMorgan

Charles Grom – JPMorgan

I was just wondering if you could flush out your comments on August getting a little bit better. Is that traffic ticket, is that discretionary, just if you could elaborate there.

Gregg Steinhafel

Well the commentary is, we are down 6.2% same store sales in the second quarter and so far early reads on back to school are more positive then what we’ve seen in the past and as it relates to that run rate.

A lot of shifting dynamics during the back to school season, some state tax holidays were shifted from July into August, however the Labor Day moved one week later in the accounting calendar but overall we’re starting to see some slight strengthening in both the traffic and transaction trends.

But I caution its very, very early and we’re going to have to see how the back to school plays out. We think we’ve put together a real strong back to school, back to college program. We’ve been very aggressive on price. We believe we will gain market share during this timeframe and its our expectation and we’re really planning to have some improvement in our same store sales compared to the last quarter.

Douglas Scovanner

And to your discretionary question this trend in our discretionary items is less negative so far this month, but I’d reiterate Gregg’s caution, we’re two weeks down and 11 to go in the third quarter.

Charles Grom – JPMorgan

And then on the gross profit line, I was wondering if we could go a layer deeper and learn what product categories are delivering the best margin rates and your outlook for the back half for those same categories.

Kathryn Tesija

I don’t know if I’ll talk about specific categories, but I will tell you that across the board we continue to work on offering better gross margin in every division across the board to help offset some of our mix challenges. And we’re doing a number of things to be able to do that.

So things like SKU reduction, we’re down about 5% this year which helps us get product out of the back room and save on labor from the stores. It also helps us reduce markdown expense. It also helps on the sales side by being able to put more facings out for those things that are selling best.

We have a number of segmentation strategies that we’ve talked about in the past, things like volume segmentation, really going after high volume stores but conversely low volume stores making sure that we’re editing that assortment, getting those inventories out of those stores to avoid some markdowns.

We have some geography segmentation strategies, climate, so a number of different things that are really helping us across the board improve our gross margin.

Gregg Steinhafel

Let me just add to Douglas’ comment regarding the transportation and fuel, that has helped every one of our businesses so we see a natural rate expansion due to the transportation costs, whether its apparel or home or in the hard lines category.

And then as Kathryn said, inventories have been exceptionally well managed throughout the spring season so we’ve managed the markdown rates. On the other hand consumers are slightly more promotionally sensitive so we’re seeing sales in our ad products being slightly more aggressive, consumers are using more coupons, so that is a dynamic that’s working against it.

But in total all of our businesses performed very, very well. The teams are very focused on acquisition costs and markdowns and managing the business and it was really across the board performance in terms of the rate expansion.

Charles Grom – JPMorgan

And then just on P-Fresh, I know its still pretty early but, and the two Minneapolis stores I know have done double-digit type comp increases, at least they were a month ago, just wondering if you could give a little bit of sense for the 40 that you have out there right now, what kind of comp lift you’re seeing and expectations for potential comp lift out over the next year or so.

Gregg Steinhafel

The 40 that we have out there, 40 plus, about half are new stores, half were remodels, so its hard to evaluate the new stores, the new stores out of the blocks are doing quite well but because they weren’t open prior to this its relative to what our expectations were. The remodels have been a combination of store sizes, volume and geographic locations.

We continue to be pleased with the results on an overall portfolio basis. Some have been exceptionally strong in the double-digit range like we’ve experienced in one of our Minneapolis stores, others have been in the high single-digits, others have been in the mid single-digits.

And its dependent upon when we completed the remodel, what the volume of that store was, and how big of a grocery expansion that particular store got because the existing store base has a garden variety sizes of food. In some cases where we are expanding our food footprint 200% we are seeing a much larger increase in sales lift then in more recently built stores where the increase commitment to food is much less then that.

So it’s a little bit of everything but overall the portfolio performance in all 40 of these stores have been very, very solid.


Your next question comes from the line of Mark Miller - William Blair

Mark Miller - William Blair

I was hoping you could expand on your recent customer research with the perception closing in on what you believe is the reality, can you tell us, and you said it was a few basis points, but if that gap had been a 10, how much have you closed it and just a little bit more on which initiatives you think have been most valuable in that improvement and then also with the markets with the low price promise, do you have specific research there in terms of how much that’s helped and is this a meaningful factor as we roll that through the system going forward.

Kathryn Tesija

So if I can start with where you ended the low price promise is actually in all stores but it did roll out mid-July so we don’t have specific research about that campaign. But we have been adding signing throughout our store just talking about our pricing and outside of the promise for some time so whether that’s in soft lines, adding signs that talk about amazing deals or other things in hard lines, we have been expanding that for some time.

So overall where we’re getting credit from our guests in the guest research is really on every day prices and while I would say its still early for us to tell at least, we’re pleased that its moving in the right direction and happy that its coming on our every day prices because I think that shows that our guest is starting to gain confidence that as we’re saying we’re shopping thousands of items that you don’t have to.

They’re recognizing that yes, our prices are great and giving us credit for that. There were several other changes we made earlier in the year particularly in our circular by reducing the number of SKUs we have in the circular, blowing up the pictures, larger size and then really hitting those price points harder with harder hitting headlines as well.

So its not just the low price promise signing that’s gone up but other initiatives have enhanced our price perception as well.

Mark Miller - William Blair

Could you talk about the trends in payables, its come down relative to inventories, really over the last two years but the year to year decline was a little bit greater, so what are the factors there, is there a calculation too that by paying suppliers quicker you could be getting better terms from them, better pricing and is that a factor in the gross margin experience as well.

Douglas Scovanner

No I think this is a much more fundamental issue with negative same store sales, our inventory turns are slowing down and that has a natural adverse effect on the payables to inventory relationship. If we could sell our inventories super fast we would sell them before we pay for them but that’s not the case in an environment where we’re running negative same store sales.

Mark Miller - William Blair

If I look at the selling price per unit, down 1.2%, that’s about a 200 basis point decline from the first quarter how much of that do you think is coming from a decline in items like for like items versus a shift in the mix.

Douglas Scovanner

As you know we only attempt to measure that with any degree of precision once a year. I personally believe with some anecdotal information not precise facts at our fingertips that those trends are more driven by sales mix then by any other factor.


Your next question comes from the line of Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

Did the gross margin benefit this quarter from the SKU reduction that you spoke to, the 5% decline?

Kathryn Tesija

We also reduced SKUs last year, so yes, it did.

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

And quick question on the incremental five stores for next year, you originally talked five now you’re talking 10, can you give us a sense on how good the ROI looks that gives you the confidence to build then now versus waiting a little bit later.

Douglas Scovanner

You have to appreciate the twinkle in my eye, its actually an incremental seven, the five we talked about before was gross and now we’re up to 12 gross. Certainly we are being very careful in this environment to approve stores that meet one of two fundamental criteria; they either are stores in which we have great confidence in achieving very strong returns, which gives us a margin for error, if we’ve misjudged the sales equation.

Or in the alternative stores that are in impossible to replicate locations deals if you will that we’ve been working on for many, many years that to turn them down now would be to turn down the only opportunity in individual trade areas for many, many years to come.

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

And then on the credit business given the aggressive nature on the average balance reductions, can you talk about how that’s impacting your comp today.

Douglas Scovanner

Well when you say the aggressive actions, we’re taking actions that are consistent with the actions taken by other leaders of similar portfolios and the reason I start there is that the larger impact on our comps is driven by tightening of among third party operators of cards that are used in our store.

There is some seasonality to this metric but about a third of our sales are one someone’s credit card, ours or someone else’s. About six points of the total on our cards. So we have 25% to 30% of our sales on the cards of others. There’s a disproportionate amount of our discretionary sales of course that are charged on cards and so its hard to know which way the correlation or causation I should say runs as to whether tightening credit is putting pressure on the discretionary sales or if the fact that discretionary sales are low is causing a decrease in the penetration on credit cards in our overall picture.

Net, net I think if you really stretch the assumptions our own tightening on our own cards is potentially theoretically contributing a half a point or more to our same store sales decline but it clearly is not the dominant factor in traffic or ticket.

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

Can you talk a little bit about approvals and what’s happening year over year and average approved balance within credit?

Douglas Scovanner

I would segregate your question into two different issues, one is our approval rates are down not necessarily because we’re tightening but rather having to do with the mix of applicants. Separately all else being equal we are tighter on balances as we manage the risks and as we very carefully differentiate state by state in our underwriting models using a combination of purchased data, think of credit bureau data if you will or FICO data, together with some very carefully assembled proprietary models that are unique to each geography.

Robert Drbul - Barclays Capital

And then when you talked about a billion dollar potential to be lower year over year what are you looking for to start pulling back on the range of the credit contraction, is it going to be a write-off rate or delinquency trend, how are you thinking about that looking forward.

Douglas Scovanner

We have always managed this business with a view to strengthen and deepen our guest relationships but to only be willing to invest provided we earn an adequate return on invested capital. So the key to your question is the dynamics of return on invested capital. I mentioned some of the headwinds earlier; certainly another major league industry headwind is the most recent credit card legislation which is about as anti-stimulative as anything Congress had touched here in 2009.

Its going to cause us and other industry participants to think about how to restore the damage that will be done later this year and into 2010 to ROICs due to the aspects of that legislation that adversely impact profitability of all card portfolios like this one. So bottom line, we need to get the confidence that we can earn a proper return on invested capital to one to return to growing this asset category.


Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Melich - Morgan Stanley

Gregory Melich - Morgan Stanley

Going back to the traffic as you’ve been rolling out P-Fresh and doing that greater advertising to get people back to the stores, what do you think really drove the sequential slowing in traffic. Do you think the stimulus last year had something to do with that, if you look at the deceleration in traffic from first quarter to second quarter.

Douglas Scovanner

I think that’s a responsible hypothesis, P-Fresh of course is not yet large enough across 1,719 stores to have a meaningful or even very much of a measurable impact in consolidation. At the margin of course its positive but its just not big enough yet. I wish we knew with precision exactly what had caused the slowdown in traffic because if we did we could devise a plan that turned it around in 30 days.

Gregory Melich - Morgan Stanley

So and if we go ahead, the things in the back half that you listed, those are the key things to driving traffic, it’s the advertising, its getting that message out there. And you’re seeing some early signs that’s working.

Douglas Scovanner

Two weeks into 26 in the back half of the year and yes the trend is better, but again, that is partially, its truthful but the comment is tongue in cheek.

Gregory Melich - Morgan Stanley

And then you also mentioned that in the back half you expected SG&A dollars to start rising again, and said it could be single-digits. Do you want to give a little more clarity on that, especially given, I know there were some timing issues in terms of ad spend.

Douglas Scovanner

Yes I would stress low single-digit increases, but certainly three or four things come to mind in terms of the year over year comparisons that are likely to put us into increases in SG&A for the back half of the year. Marketing timing is clearly one of them. We expect to spend more as a percent of sales in Q3 and Q4 this year then we did last year.

For the year our marketing plan is right on but we’ve saved some money here in the front half for the express purpose of being able to invest it in the back half. Incentive compensation expense was actually a credit to expenses last year. We started out with quite strong performance Q1, Q2 and ended up with very poor performance Q3 and Q4 and reversed back into income incentive compensation accruals.

So year over year that clearly is a headwind. Workers’ Compensation expense Q3 last year we disclosed a one-time beneficial adjustment to our reserves. If such an adjustment were to recur I wouldn’t expect it in the same size. And finally I mentioned in my own remarks that our store based productivity was so strong in Q4 last year that we clearly do not expect the same degree of year over year performance in Q4 that we are likely to have enjoyed all the way through Q3.

In some respects I think we got beyond what we were comfortable with in Q4 last year so the degree of benefit year over year in Q4 will not be the same. Those are the four items that come to mind.


Your next question comes from the line of Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs

Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs

If you could just follow-up on the last point in terms of the marketing timing as it relates to the pressure clearly going up in the third and in the back half, but perhaps give us a sense greater in the third or greater in the fourth how that balances out.

Douglas Scovanner

Well the third quarter is always a fascinating one as it relates to marketing and advertising as a percent of sales because the sales look a lot like Q1 and Q2 in Q3 and yet we’re beginning to incur a lot of holiday related spending and so Q3 is always a seasonal peak in our advertising and marketing and this year we’ve elected to exaggerate that trend.

So its net, net it’s a couple of cents a share. This is not a huge issue but it is to those who count pennies it is a meaningful item.

Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs

And then my second question relates to deflation, maybe talk about if you quantify some, the rate of deflation you’re seeing in consumables, when you would expect that to perhaps peak and then shifting gears to apparel deflation, perhaps quantify there, it sounds as if its an opportunity in the back half.

Kathryn Tesija

So on the consumables side its hard to say exactly when its going to peak but I would say its been most dramatic in the dairy category with milk pricing this year. And there has been some across food but I would say the bulk of it is really been in that particular category.

In apparel we’ve talked about some of the cost decreases that we anticipate for this fall and how we’ll reinvest that either in quality or into pricing. So I think still to be determined exactly how much that will be and can’t tell you when that will peak because we haven’t finished costing out spring yet so don’t know if spring will be similar to fall or something different.

But we do want to reinvest that money to be able to remain competitive and make sure that we have compelling offers on the floor.

Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs

And then on the consumables deflation, any quantification there you could share with us.

Gregg Steinhafel

Not really, its like anything you have some ups and some downs, and overall its more anecdotal then anything based on the number of items we track from year to year but there’s more downs right now but its really hard to put a number on it because it’s a moving target and some are met with competitive responses and so the gap narrows and others aren’t so its pretty hard.

But in total as Kathryn said, food commodities and apparel are all collectively showing more deflationary pressure then inflationary pressure and why we’d love to drop some or all of the bottom line we know that’s not reasonable. So number one priority is to be competitive in the marketplace. Number two is to make sure that we’re improving the quality and the style and design where we think its appropriate and then three, would be to allow some of those additional savings to fall to the bottom line if its possible.

So we’d like all three of those things to happen. We’re just not sure at this point what combination of how those events are going to unfold.

Adrianne Shapira – Goldman Sachs

In terms of the competitive pressure or competitive environment we saw obviously impressive margin expansion here, Wal-Mart as well strong gross margin showing perhaps give us a sense of how competitive is it out there and also what response you’re seeing as you’ve been now promoting this low price promise in the stores, what kind of competitive response you would expect.

Gregg Steinhafel

I would say that overall the competitive environment is fairly rational, its stable, back to school pricing is actually slightly more rational then last year or less deeply negative then it has been so that is a good sign.

That’s the mix of competitors from Wal-Mart, Kohl’s, Penny’s, and Office Superstore give or take some more, some less, but overall slightly less competitive then what we’ve experienced in prior years. The low price promise has only been out there for 30 days but the experiences that we’ve had with our two test markets, continue in the short-term across the chain and that is that there are very relatively few adjustments being made at store level. So we’re not, we’re have been confident that our prices are right and we’re seeing that our prices are right because there are very few adjustments being made.

It might be one per store every couple of days so its relatively modest but we think this will be a terrific creditability builder and marketing umbrella to reinforce that we’ve got strong values both every day and on sale.

That concludes Target’s second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. Thank you all for your participation.

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