Is Toyota Losing Ground in the Electric Vehicles Race? 16 comments
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By Richard Read
An interesting article in the New York Times suggests that Toyota (TM) -- the same Toyota that's often considered to be at the forefront of the green car movement, thanks to its popular Prius hybrid and all those eye-popping, folksy TV ads you've been seeing -- is slipping in the race to bring fully electric vehicles to the marketplace.
It's an interesting proposition, and one that bears considering. For quite some time, the commonly held belief has been that hybrids are the way of the future. Concerns about batteries size and weight, not to mention range, have led many in the industry -- both automakers and journalists -- to conclude that it will be years, if not decades, before EVs become fully practical for mass-market consumers. And that may be true. However, it hasn't stopped many major manufacturers from developing electric vehicles.
In addition to Tesla, which is the only company in the U.S. currently offering highway-ready electric vehicles to consumers, Nissan (NSANY) has been working on EVs for some time in partnership with Renault, and recently unveiled its new Leaf model. Mitsubishi has its i-MiEV. Even BMW has the MINI-E and is likely going to roll out a new line of electric city cars in the very near future (possibly under the relaunched Isetta brand).
To be sure, Toyota isn't alone in holding off on EV's. The big news from America's Big Three has centered around the upcoming Chevy Volt, which is touted for its electric credentials, but which is, of course, an extended-range hybrid*. No, the question is: given Toyota's popular perception as an eco-minded company, and given its huge global reputation and resources, why is Toyota waiting until 2012 to unveil its first EV?
This may just be a smart business move for Toyota, which could be waiting for the technology to evolve and consumer tendencies to solidify. In recent months, it feels as though there's been a greater acceptance of EV's in the industry and an understanding that hybrids are really just a stepping stone along the way. In fact, the hydrogen fuel-cell seems to have gained some momentum recently, and Toyota's president, Akio Toyoda, has even refered to that as the "ultimate" technology -- although it hasn't made any development announcements on that front, even as the Honda (HMC) FCX Clarity has hit U.S. roadways.
Of course, this is all speculation, and product development relies on more than just consumer interest and demand. We're sure that Toyota could rollout an EV fairly quickly if it wanted to -- but when and if it will, and what form it may take, remain to be seen.
* General Motors and some TCC staffers argue that the Chevy Volt is not a hybrid, but rather an extended-range electric vehicle, since its wheels are powered solely by electricity and gas is used to recharge the Volt's battery. Others find that argument a little disingenuous and more than a little semantic: unless a driver is willing to limit herself to the Volt's 40-mile electric-only range, she's going to have to use gas to get around. Wherever you fall in that argument, it would seem that in using gas -- if only to allay driver anxiety -- the Volt still fails to qualify as a fully electric vehicle. But you know where to register your objections.
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A neighbor has converted his Prius to a plug-in Hybrid and uses a solar array in his back yard to charge it.
Let's cut the BS.
It has an internal combustion engine and batteries / motor.
That means it's a hybrid.
Specifically, it's a series hybrid because the electric motor only is turning the wheels, as opposed to both ICE and motor.
If it has a plug, presumably it has some electric only range.
"Extended range" is GM marketeer speak for plug-in hybrid.
The ICE gives extended range over the electric only (plug-in) range.
This is a lot more complicated than it needs to be, but that is the marketers job, I suppose.
I second that.
The engineering complexity of a Prius is so great that I would only rely on Toyota engineers to make it work.
I'm still waiting to see if they've lived up to their rep for longevity with that car.
One advantage of a serial hybrid like the Volt is the comparative engineering simplicity of that drive train.
Another thing that Toyota excels at: I understand they're bringing out a hybrid Yaris / Vitz at the same price as the base model.
If it has a Prius drivetrain, this is quite a feat.
Hydrogen fuel cell cars make NO sense from a science standpoint.
It should tell you something that our brilliant ex-president thought that was the answer.
Toyota is making the smart move by waiting and perfecting. The electric drive chain vehicle is going through a very fast evolution right now. All these cars we talked about in the post will be obsolete dinosaurs in 5 years. Toyota can easily leapfrog into the top position in a few years by slowly perfecting their vehicles now.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Look at "user #475008 coments which are right on" so I don't have to repeat them. Toyota is the current world leader which they deserve. It is and will continue to be. I have owned their autos for 35 years and they have been great and relialble and very fuel efficient. The company has always been at the forfront with their R&D and that is their strength. I have a Prius that I wouldn't give up for any other car on the road. Show me another one that gets 48-50 MPG at 70mph and has a lifetime engine/drivetrain warrantee and has never been in the shop for a problem. Oh ! and I own many shares of both TM and HMC. So I put my money where my mouth is "how about you"??
On Aug 21 10:25 AM Jeff B. wrote:
> Toyota is only considered the Green Vehicle leader by folks who don't
> really know cars. Honda is way ahead on this front. The Clarity FCX
> is already the 3rd gen fuel cell vehicle Honda has on US roads. The
> Prius is a nice hybrid, but it has zero appeal to anyone who actually
> enjoys driving. The Volt is yet another case of GM over-promising
> and under-delivering. I woudln't put my money on that. The real question
> is how we will get electricity to these vehicles, and when will the
> entrenched US energy industry (oil & gas) be forced to deal with
> reality?