Gold Explodes, Silver Shines, What's Up with Natural Gas? 17 comments
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Gold breaking out is either the reflation trade version 48.148 or "uh-oh something bad is coming down the pike" trade ... gold has been in a big descending triangle getting narrower and narrower; when those break out in either direction it is generally a big move.
May - June 2009: $900 - $1000
July: $910 - $960
Aug: $930 - $970
Based on Wednesday alone, the direction appears to be up ... +2.1% thus far in the yellow metal but to be sure we want to see it get north of $970. Volume on the gold ETF (GLD) is massive - well over 20M shares when almost all of August has been under 10M. Silver (SLV) continues its strength that we highlighted Tuesday, up another 2.6%+.
One reader highlighted gold last week - I forgot who, but kudos to the early call. Now we have to figure out what the message of the market is with these 2 metals aka what are HAL9000's algorithm's signaling to its microchips.
EDIT 3:10 PM: Gold Miners ETF (GDX) exploding - up 7% on nearly 3x normal volume. (hat tip reader on that one too) HAL is on the move.
p.s. anyone know what is going on with natural gas ? the ETF is down 8%?? UNG!
Long Powershares DB Gold Double Long in fund; no personal position
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Reuters reported over the weekend that China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs) have sent letters to Western banks who are their counterparties on certain derivatives that they may default on them, leaving the banks with a huge loss. This black swan may also be moving the price of gold.
Or perhaps there's a rumor that the ingots in Fort Knox have chocolate centers.
Currently 986. Surely much of the steepness of the rise is due to short covering.
Got pin?
On Sep 03 07:40 AM DJIA5000 wrote:
> gold is a bubble, but that doesnt mean it will go down now, investors
> who lost their shirts in stocks (many miners included) pile into
> gold with whats left. But in the end they will lose everything as
> well, physical GC is illiquid market (otherwise you have at least
> 100oz) and all this crap with small gold bars, eagles, pesos, roubles
> is crazy: the bid/ask in this quantities is up to 20%, if one buys/sells
> american eagle 5 times its like losing all the value in it.
Maybe it’ll be different this time, but I’m gonna assume they replay last year’s playbook. That is, a market selloff ramps UST and USD, which temporarily pulls down commodities. Since I do not buy that we’ve fixed the banks, or the US serious structural problems, I want to use that as an opportunity to buy a basket of commodities and producers.
PM were sold by the truck loads to raise cash for stock losses and margin service. Dollar was king for a couple of months and could be again. Dont expect that to last very long. After panic and more stimulus by little Timmy dollar is trash, PM is king.
If this plays out grab all the PM you can when its down. ALL YOU CAN!!!
1. Because the natural gas market is soft and trending down on fundamentals. To much gas, maybe not enough storage, and no weather events to push prices up.
2. The NG market is in a state of steep contango, with the front month trading around $2.65, and the next month out trading at $3.92.
3. The UNG roll procedure means that every month over a 4-5 day period, they must sell the prompt month, and roll into the next month out. Do the math and you will see how this impacts the (NAV) net asset value.
4. Lots of people who to not understand how this market works are getting and trading on emotion and hype.
That being said, it is pretty much doing exactly what you would expect it to do, if you understand what is going on with the market, as well as the fund's clearly stated objectives and protocols.
One more thing, because they are no longer issuing new shares, the fund is trading as a closed end fund, which is the reason that the premium to NAV has spiked to the 20% range in recent days.
For those that are interested, John Hylnad was interviewed on CNBC last night, and had a few interesting things to say.
As for gold--it's not a bubble. I like what Martin Armstrong said in his last missive from jail--people misunderstand gold as an inflation hedge, it's a vote of no confidence in government. That's why it doesn't really trade inverse or along with anything else--it just seems to. Gold fundamentals are strong in re supply and demand especially with China stepping up gold purchases, even jewelry. As for India, yes, gold sales have been down, but apparently gold buying isn't just for safety and exuberance, it's for avoiding the taxman.
But please don't play it through UNG. By buying UNG you are not buying spot gas -- you are effectively buying gas further out the curve. The recovery is already baked into the NAV of UNG through future contract rollovers. And you are foolishly paying a premium to NAV for this "opportunity". Don't be fooled.
Play the gas recovery through gas-weighted service stocks (i.e. land drillers, pressure pumpers) or E&P companies. The stocks are unlikely to be hit as hard in the near term (they will look through the gas market bottom), and they have huge leverage to the recovery.
> … all this…is crazy: the bid/ask in this quantities is up to 20%, if one buys/sells
> american eagle 5 times its like losing all the value in it.
I taught 5th -6th graders the difference between face, numismatic and intrinsic values when gold, silver and copper coinage was replaced by less “valuable” base metals. American eagles have a benefit of “currency,” which though far from providing equality between “current” valuation between face and intrinsic values, does effect its numismatic over other coinage / bullion (within US geo/politcal jurisdiction) in that taxation – regulation charges are supposedly n/a. I could be wrong, but that’s my understanding. Your particular dealer will probably try to get whatever the market will bear, but that’s the marketplace.
trade it but dont marry it jmho GDX a nice easy scalper
nat gas is manipulated to create an industry washout, so the big boys can come in and buy on the cheap, buy in October is my view... also may be some geopolitical moves here putting more pressure on Russia, we'll see...
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You think this is the end of golds advance? Do you realize how small the current gold market is? Around 1% of consumers have ever owned gold bullion in modern times.
This is not historically the case though. Never have humans, in general, held so much confidence in fiat money, which suppresses the demand for gold. Every historical case of a government monopoly in money through a fiat monetary system has ended in a huge disaster. As long as mass inflation is allowed, fiat monetary systems will fail. Never has debt, created mostly because of our fiat monetary system, as a percentage of production been so high. You are witnessing the expansion of the greatest debt bubble the world has ever seen.
What do you think is going to happen to the price of gold when (and they will) humans lose faith in ink and paper? Considering gold's price is inversely proportional to the confidence in fiat money, I think I have a pretty good idea. There will be some irrelevant fluctuations over the next few years, but when the dollar reserve currency standard fails (and it will) hold on to something solid, which is gold and silver.
> will gold go to about 1030 ?perhaps
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> Will outperform good US stocks that pay dividends NO
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> In 1988 Gold was 50% off 8 year highs at around 480 its double now
> 21 years later that about 3 or 4% annual compounded
>
> In 1988 Ko was payinga 3% div ,today the stock is up 17 times and
> the annual dividen yield would be over 30%
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> Gold wasnt near all time highs either
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> The Etfs are why gold rose and the foolish will pile in at 990<br/>
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> what wise peopel do in the beginning fools do at teh end
People aren't buying gold necessarily instead of a stock that pays dividends. People are buying gold because they're afraid to hold the US dollar. When your national government spends $2 TRILLION more per year than it takes in, accumulates unfunded liabilities of about $100 TRILLION, and keeps promising more goodies to its populace, you gotta figure that the currency will be debased at some point. In sum, people are buying gold as insurance against currency risk.
BTW, I still see many "cash for gold" signs around town and in other cities. This tells me that gold is NOT in a bubble: jewelers and smelters know their business; they wouldn't go to the trouble of advertising and purchasing scrap if they didn't forsee higher prices in the future. When I start seeing news stories about whizkids making huge profits by buying & selling gold and when "gold for cash" signs start popping up, I'll know that there's trouble for the yellow metal.