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For a while now, we’ve been concerned that volume hasn’t been powering the market higher. In fact, if you think of volume as fuel for any sustainable market rally, then we’ve been running on fumes for a few months. Since I wrote that in early June the market wobbled a bit and traced a shallow correction but before long it was on to new highs for the year. This has been a teflon coated rally.

But there is no mistaking that what we are seeing is a true outlier in terms of historical market performance. Here is a chart from Hussman’s most recent commentary which shows the six-month percent change in the S&P 500 from the bottom of each bear market (going back to the early 1940’s) compared to the percent change in volume over that same period:

volume comparison hussman commentary Sept 2009
Source: Hussman Commentary

As you can see, this rally is the largest one powered by the least volume. If we imagine a “best fit” line for the data, it would be going from the lower left to the upper right, implying that usually, the more volume, the bigger the recovery from a bear market low.

The state of volume (or lack thereof) is even more alarming when you consider that for the past year a baker’s dozen of stocks have grown to account for eyepopping proportions of total volume on the exchanges. Just to give you an example, on August 6th 2009 Citigroup (C) and Bank of America (BAC) accounted for 25% of total NYSE volume. Dr. Brett have brought attention to this last month: The Recent Concentration of Volume.

There are many theories about what exactly is behind this crazy volume: daytraders, HFT, short covering, secret government recapitalization, etc. Whichever reason is the real one, a market structure where total volume is distorted by such gigantic proportions from a handful of issues is, simply put, deceptive.

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    if declining and or low volume is not to be seriously considered as a basis for the market to fall, then the other side of the argument would be you dont need high volume for the market to rise, right now both are correct, market rises on low volume and rises on high volume, does that really make any sense when you take into consideration the serious economic head winds we face, something isnt right


    On Sep 23 06:34 AM chap08 wrote:

    > Not to rain on the parade of masochism, but a few other points to
    > consider:
    >
    > 1. The chart compares the position now with the bottom of the market.
    > What we've been through has been a deep and violent sell off - more
    > deep and violent than any of the other bear markets in the graph.
    > We saw huge volumes of stocks being indiscriminately dumped - it
    > was outright panic. So, it should not be too surprising that we don't
    > see such huge volumes, in a short period of time on the way back
    > up. On the graph we are comparing 2009 with the likes of 1966 and
    > 1984. In terms of market action, there is no comparison.
    > 2. If you look at a graph of say the S&P500 or Nasdaq over the
    > past few years, volumes now are higher than they were during the
    > previous bull market. I don't remember anyone saying then that volume
    > was an issue.
    > 3. We now have something that didn't factor in any of the other periods
    > shown - dark pools. I don't know what goes on in there, do you? What
    > I do know is that large blocks of shares are traded in a way that
    > is not reported publicly. They are designed to be obscure.
    >
    > If you're bearish, I don't want to change your mind, but I don't
    > think this volume data is a compelling case for the market to fall.
    Sep 23 07:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    If you adjust for those few high vol generating stocks, the picture is even worse.

    I don't know if I agree with the idea that volumes are not being reported, suggestive of an "off-the-exchange" exchange I can't refute it either, but with respect to volume generally, as a proxy for demand, there just doesn't seem to be any.
    Sep 23 08:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    Interesting. But we need a dataset that includes the Depression--IMHO. What is the actual correlation coefficient for the data presented? Square that and that's how much variance you've accounted for. I'll be it will be < 20%--which means that you run the risk of over-interpreting.
    Sep 23 08:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Basic concept for understanding this is that trading volume represents a fair estimate of supply and demand.

    Notice not only the radical departure from reality of the 2009 rally, but also that of the last two prior ones: 1998 and 2003 which were on the bubble-prone edge of data cluster. The writer speculates on the causes of the 2009 bubble, but one thing is clear. There is, with 401k's in gear (people always contributing blindly), and those people convinced of the market's so-called long term benign nature (ya, right), there is a great deal more money to be played with (read; market manipulation). That graph needs to be done using absolute values too -- not just "percent change," but using the actual number. Armed with that information, you I think would see that it is another Ponzi scheme. Just like Congress plundering the Social Security fund, marketeers are plundering the stock market where people have tried to put their retirement money: inflating it for personal gain, then dropping it on its head and doing it again.
    Sep 23 09:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    Isn't the conventional wisdom that its relatively easy to move stocks and the market ( in either direction) under conditions of light volume? That would seem to help explain current conditions.
    Sep 23 09:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    very consistent with the fall in the velocity of money, and the rise in the fed balance sheet. money in stocks turning over or being parked does not increase the velocity of money in the economic system.

    The market is not the economy and the economy is not the market, and there is monetary incentive in the market, and the rally will be real when the sub market indices' market correlation begins to fall.

    The market is assuming that the past is a one time isolated event, and that the government support will bridge the gap of the typical recession. However, the recession will be over when year over year domestic revenues increase, excluding foreign revenue at a favorable exchange rate. and capacity utilization broaches 75%.

    until then the volume will be light, consistent with increased savings rate, decreased growth through credit, and an slow destruction of old capacity, slowly increasing capacity utilization.
    Sep 23 09:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    Without sellers a few buyers will push the price up. PPT buying and off we went.

    Who was selling after March. If you were going to, you did previously, if you didn't sell it was because you were to far under water and wouldn't sell. Most likely hoping to recover what you lost.

    People will be quicker to pull the trigger next time and sell this market at the first signs of another down turn in hopes of not being stuck back at March lows and still holding the bag.

    Next trip down will be FAST and FURIOUS.
    Sep 23 09:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    The trend is your friend and the rest is just noise. Trade against it at your own peril. How often do folks have to be wrong before they are eventually right? Meanwhile, I'll keep buying until the tape tells me differently. Up 458% YTD, so either I am really lucky (always possible) or right...volume be damned.
    Sep 23 09:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    There are three huge distortions in volume figures:
    1. Flash trading exaggerates volume
    2. Dark pools under-report volumes
    3. Gamblers in C, AIG, FNMA, etc., going long, then short, then long, etc., driving enormous volumes in these stocks.

    The first needs to be controlled because ordinary investors cannot compete and pay the profits that flash traders make. The second needs to be reported to make prices and volumes and visible to all. Many will find a rationale for the secrecy, however it truly flies in the face a free market where information is supposed to be equally available to all. Dark pools a private markets that significantly impact public markets secretly.

    The third, gamblers, they are fine to the extent that they are not in the 1 or 2 category, above. Whether it's speculation or investment it is up to each investor to decide for him/herself.
    Sep 23 09:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    The next wave down will be triggered by an external event.

    This way, the powers that be can claim that, were it not for X, they would have had everything peachy by now.

    Everyone should have some long dated out of the money calls in 2x inverse ETF's as an insurance policy against this possibility.

    I look at it as term insurance. I've lost money on these options so far this year. However, I'm still up over 30% overall YTD.

    This way, I'm able to stay mostly invested and not worry about getting slaughtered by some unpredictable event.
    Sep 23 09:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Of course this rally has been supported by the government. Bernanke is a student of the Great Depression, and he is convinced that what was done during the Great Depression (tightening money supply) was a gravely incorrect strategy that both lenghtened and deepened the economic disaster. It should come as no surprise that he has chosen a 180-degree opposite course.

    That doesn't make this rally "false," either, any more than the government's tightening in the 1930's made the Depression "false." It happened, it's in the books.

    The fact is, we don't know whether Bernanke's strategy for getting through the current Great Recession will work in the end. We do know that, so far, it has pulled the financial system back from the abyss, triggered a 6-month 50% rally in the stock market, and appears to be helping to bring the recession to a technical end. Beyond that, the future is unknowable. Right now, things seem directionally correct, but whether that direction will continue as the government withdraws its extreme levels of support is open to legitimate debate.
    Sep 23 09:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with most of your comments completely, however dark pools and ECNs alike must post to the consolidated tape; hence all volume is accounted for.

    Further, we experienced a liquidity crisis in all asset classes other than equity during 2008; accordingly there was abnormal volume during the crisis (when compared on a YoY) basis, yet volumes are still consistently higher on a moving average basis.

    Finally, as indicated by assets currently in money market funds and comments from various institutions, there is still a great abundance on cash on the "sidelines." The PMs tracking the S&P will be forced to deploy assets and join the rally sooner or later.


    On Sep 23 06:34 AM chap08 wrote:

    > Not to rain on the parade of masochism, but a few other points to
    > consider:
    >
    > 1. The chart compares the position now with the bottom of the market.
    > What we've been through has been a deep and violent sell off - more
    > deep and violent than any of the other bear markets in the graph.
    > We saw huge volumes of stocks being indiscriminately dumped - it
    > was outright panic. So, it should not be too surprising that we don't
    > see such huge volumes, in a short period of time on the way back
    > up. On the graph we are comparing 2009 with the likes of 1966 and
    > 1984. In terms of market action, there is no comparison.
    > 2. If you look at a graph of say the S&amp;P500 or Nasdaq over the
    > past few years, volumes now are higher than they were during the
    > previous bull market. I don't remember anyone saying then that volume
    > was an issue.
    > 3. We now have something that didn't factor in any of the other periods
    > shown - dark pools. I don't know what goes on in there, do you? What
    > I do know is that large blocks of shares are traded in a way that
    > is not reported publicly. They are designed to be obscure.
    >
    > If you're bearish, I don't want to change your mind, but I don't
    > think this volume data is a compelling case for the market to fall.
    Sep 23 10:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    The contrarian in me says that I'm glad this is a light volume rally; it's putting the thumb screws to the instutionals who have not participated, leaving more room to roam upward.

    A forced negligence rally?

    Up, up, up and away we go, toward another implosion.
    Sep 23 10:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    It is a counter trend rally. Trend is down. The crash will go into history books. These guys have predicted tops and bottoms so far:

    www.tradingstocks.net/...

    The big picture says we are at the top of a major (400 years in fact) bull market. The crash will be one for the history books:

    www.tradingstocks.net/...
    Sep 23 10:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good points but there is also the matter of the concentration of the volume to consider though.


    On Sep 23 06:34 AM chap08 wrote:

    > Not to rain on the parade of masochism, but a few other points to
    > consider:
    >
    > 1. The chart compares the position now with the bottom of the market.
    > What we've been through has been a deep and violent sell off - more
    > deep and violent than any of the other bear markets in the graph.
    > We saw huge volumes of stocks being indiscriminately dumped - it
    > was outright panic. So, it should not be too surprising that we don't
    > see such huge volumes, in a short period of time on the way back
    > up. On the graph we are comparing 2009 with the likes of 1966 and
    > 1984. In terms of market action, there is no comparison.
    > 2. If you look at a graph of say the S&amp;P500 or Nasdaq over the
    > past few years, volumes now are higher than they were during the
    > previous bull market. I don't remember anyone saying then that volume
    > was an issue.
    > 3. We now have something that didn't factor in any of the other periods
    > shown - dark pools. I don't know what goes on in there, do you? What
    > I do know is that large blocks of shares are traded in a way that
    > is not reported publicly. They are designed to be obscure.
    >
    > If you're bearish, I don't want to change your mind, but I don't
    > think this volume data is a compelling case for the market to fall.
    Sep 23 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Both the stock and bond markets are showing irrational behavior.This is due to unprecedented interference in the economy by the government.

    The more unnatural distortion that occurs in the markets the more stress that builds. The risk of a rapid and uncontrolled release of that stress increases as well. Any unexpected shock could set off an avalanche. Enjoy the ride up but keep the parachute ready for quick deployment.
    Sep 23 11:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree that this rally is not necessarily rational. BUT....

    The statistician in me takes one look at this scatter plot and says there are only few historical inferences to be made between change in volume and change in the S&P.

    The data points appear - almost - random. There's a general trend, yes… An increase in volume generally correlates to an increase in the S&P, but our "best fit" line (via regression analysis) would have a very low R squared and therefore be a very bad predictor of either variable.

    Our current 55% increase in S&P despite a decline in volume of 20% is certainly extreme. But I’m not sure it’s any more unusual than say in 1978, when the S&P only increased 20% despite a near doubling of volume. (The difference between each case and our imaginary line is roughly equal.)

    Also, it is worth noting that this graph dramatizes - perhaps overstates - the 2009 data point by emphasizing percent change in S&P: notice the numbers change by 10s on the vertical axes yet by 20s on the horizontal. This is an old ploy to exaggerate data, and makes the 2009 S&P increase seem much more extreme relative to change in volume.

    However – if you look further behind the data, and note that around 40% of our recent volume is the result of trading ridiculous financial companies such as AIG - which survive only because of government intervention, and have little upside – then this scatter plot really does suggest that our current situation is a HUGE outlier. Whether or not we can draw much of a trend from volume and S&P pricing is another issue.
    Sep 23 01:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    There is another explanation. Investors are just not selling stocks, except for equities in which the risk is perceived to be high.

    If you think the market is going up, would you sell?
    Sep 23 04:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    xcf The one absolute, take it to the bank, bet the ranch fact you can count on right now is that there is no value in the stock market. We are at a lofty 20 X earnings, and historically, when the market sported such a valuation, a 7% drop ensued in the following year. But what is history, but the ravings of an angry, frustrated old trader? Maybe having seen the best bargains in a century only six months ago, I’m spoiled. I have always been a tightwad. I must be the only guy around who flies his own private plane to garage sales for the sheer love of the deal. I just reviewed all of the stocks and sectors I liked at the beginning of the year, and a more picked over field you never saw. (Click here for my new year list at www.madhedgefundtrader... ) The list is long: FCX, FXI, BYDFF, BIDU, X, gold, silver, copper, crude, oil services, junk bonds (JNK), (HYG), emerging markets (EEM), BRIC’s, Korea (EWY), with shorts in long dated Treasuries (TBT), volatility (VIX), and the dollar (UDN), (ULE). Even tax exempt munis have been on a tear. Many of my core positions are up over 400%. The problem is that my more loyal, even fanatical followers have taken out paid subscriptions for up to two years, so I must keep dancing. Hence, the recent increase in book reviews, political pieces, or just outright frivolous stories. What you do here is deep research and list building, so when the window opens you can jump through with both feet, and without any reservations. I hate being out of the market. But I hate losing money even more.
    Sep 23 09:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    A volume statistics based on shares traded,not $ amount traded, obviously isn't very useful,as it heavily overweights large cap penny stocks like C.

    Also the trading part of volume usually declines when stocks rise sharply over a short period of time,that's why the 98,03 and current bull markets have not seen a meaningful volume expansion compared to 74 and 82,when short term trading was a smaller % of total volume.
    Sep 25 12:19 PM | Link | Reply
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