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Here’s a little table I put together with numbers from the OCC — page 9 of this pdf. Using second-quarter numbers for each year, I looked at the total nominal derivatives exposure of end users — the people for whom derivatives are meant to exist — and for dealers.
The results are pretty startling: while end-users have pared their derivatives exposure to a seven-year low, dealers have increased theirs to yet another all-time high. And as the OCC notes, when we say “dealers”, we really mean four banks in particular: JP Morgan Chase (JPM), Goldman Sachs (GS), Bank of America (BAC), and Citibank (C).
Oh, and did I mention? The amounts here are in trillions.
| Year | End Users | Dealers | Ratio |
| 2003 | 2.6 | 62.4 | 24.0 |
| 2004 | 2.5 | 76.9 | 30.8 |
| 2005 | 2.5 | 96.2 | 38.5 |
| 2006 | 2.6 | 110.1 | 42.3 |
| 2007 | 2.6 | 138.1 | 53.1 |
| 2008 | 2.8 | 163.9 | 58.5 |
| 2009 | 2.4 | 187.6 | 78.2 |
What has happened in recent years that derivatives dealers now need $78 in nominal derivatives exposure for every $1 in end-user exposure? When Adair Turner talks about “profitable activities so unlikely to have a social benefit, direct or indirect, that [banks] should voluntarily walk away from them”, this is surely a prime example of what he has in mind.
When the OCC tells us that total derivative notionals are now above $200 trillion, we can’t really help but go blank: the number is so many orders of magnitude divorced from any conceivable reality that it’s almost impossible to work out what it could possibly mean. But clearly that kind of exposure wasn’t necessary a few years ago. So why is it now?
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-Matt
To risk exposure, maybe. But that's not what Felix was talking about.
And Karl Denninger (I think it was him) has argued recently that increasing notional exposure increases systemic risk, because if one major participant goes bankrupt, the market for all derivatives seizes up and all participants are impacted. This, I think, is what Felix is worried about.
Remember the AIGFP CDS derivative debacle? Major systemic risk, necessitating $100's of billion in taxpayer bailouts. Why are TBTF institutions so heavily into this market? Taxpayers deserve an answer.
I don't know the answer. Felix doesn't apparently. If Matt knows he is not telling and can't understand why you would even ask. Draw your own conclusions.
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The International Swaps and Derivatives Association master agreement governing most derivatives transactions says that a counterparty does not need to make payments if the other party suffers an event of default and, needless to say, bankruptcy is classed as such an event.
The court ruling would prevent the solvent counterparty from avoiding its out of the money obligation to an insolvent counterparty. This could significantly increase the potential obligations of a major derivative holder.
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J.P. Morgan’s derivatives book cannot be ‘hedged’.
As per their call reports filed with the Comptroller of the Currency’s Office, we know J.P. Morgan’s derivatives book grew by a cancerous 12 Trillion from June 07 to Sept. 07. The OCC’s Quarterly Derivatives Report serves as the public’s only peek into the opaque and murky world of derivatives-flim-flamm...
Flim Flammery is the understatement of the century. In fact, dealer notionals have EXPLODED parabolic-ally in recent years while END USER demand has been static and virtually non-existent.
On Sep 28 02:17 PM Roger Knights wrote:
> "Notional amounts are completely irrelevant."
>
> To risk exposure, maybe. But that's not what Felix was talking about.
>
>
> And Karl Denninger (I think it was him) has argued recently that
> increasing notional exposure increases systemic risk, because if
> one major participant goes bankrupt, the market for all derivatives
> seizes up and all participants are impacted. This, I think, is what
> Felix is worried about.
What should also be worrisome is that the banks involved haven't managed risk well in the past. Citibank is a ward of the state. BofA isn't far behind. GS while being smart enough to buy CDSs was foolish enough to buy them from AIGFP.
If this is a quandary for you, it is for most of us including people who bought or sold derivatives only to find out they need derivatives to hedge their derivatives or to set aside some percentage of the notional amount to account for potential defaults. It's like buying insurance and needing to buy insurance to insure yourself in case your insurer goes broke. Most of the derivatives market is totally out of control and unregulated and most people fear, if it is regulated their massive losses will be uncovered.
Thus they all put their heads in the sand and hope it goes away as they write more derivatives to cover their bad derivatives. In fact, just like all ponzi schemes, it never ends until it ends badly.
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