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The consensus clearly believes that the worst is now behind us.
In fact, given the bold shape of the capital “V” recovery in the S&P 500, I think it’s safe to say that the consensus believes that the economic panic experienced during the fall of 2008 was an overreaction… overblown… even… an opportunity to buy on the cheap!
Why not?… all good “investors” know value when they see it… they know that they should be buying when people are fearful… That’s what Warren Buffets says, right? When people get fearful you would be smart to buy… it's automatic.
If it were a formula, it would look as simple as the following:
People fearful = buy
Of course, there is a corollary to this supposedly “tried and true” investment approach: the selling when people are greedy. Even Warren Buffet missed this simple rule in 2007.
So, how do you tell when people are fearful or greedy?
The answer is that in reality, “investors” simply can’t tell… or possibly they don’t even care. The overwhelming majority of investors, including icons like Buffet, never know the peaks or the troughs.
So much for collective wisdom.
“Investors” mispriced the dot-com boom, they mispriced the housing-boom and they are mispricing today’s government sponsored bounce.
Back in the fall of 2007 the writing was on the wall. Yes, there were plenty of greater fools like Jim Cramer or Larry Kudlow or Brian Wesbury on CNBC speculating about “goldilocks” and no recession in sight, but the end was in full view for anyone that was inclined to look at things sensibly.
Today, the same sensible analysis should leave one with the same outlook: The American economy is in a very difficult position.
Yes, we have now witnessed the collapse of institutions like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and even the fall of the giants Fannie (FNM) and Freddie (FRE) that had been so long and anxiously anticipated.
Yes, we witnessed a classic financial panic.
Yes, we have seen our government go to extraordinary lengths to prevent this natural correction, backstopping, guaranteeing, propping… bailing… borrowing and spending.
But… fundamentally the real depressive aspect of this process is only now beginning. Only now are people realizing that the good days will not be coming back anytime soon.
That their home is worth a quarter to a half less than what they paid for it… that their job could be in jeopardy at any moment… that their income is not really growing or more than likely in decline… that their “investments” have been down for ten years…. that they are woefully unprepared to fund retirement or their kids education or anything else for that matter.
Soon the phony “boom” that occurred in the wake of the dot-com recession will be all but forgotten, replaced by the sense that the bust and turmoil of phony internet startup era and phony Enron/Woroldcom and phony housing sham, phony stock market and phony Wall Street with its phony billionaire bonuses are all related.
And now we have the stock market climbing on the phony government-sponsored recovery.
In fact, given the bold shape of the capital “V” recovery in the S&P 500, I think it’s safe to say that the consensus believes that the economic panic experienced during the fall of 2008 was an overreaction… overblown… even… an opportunity to buy on the cheap!
Why not?… all good “investors” know value when they see it… they know that they should be buying when people are fearful… That’s what Warren Buffets says, right? When people get fearful you would be smart to buy… it's automatic.
If it were a formula, it would look as simple as the following:
People fearful = buy
Of course, there is a corollary to this supposedly “tried and true” investment approach: the selling when people are greedy. Even Warren Buffet missed this simple rule in 2007.
So, how do you tell when people are fearful or greedy?
The answer is that in reality, “investors” simply can’t tell… or possibly they don’t even care. The overwhelming majority of investors, including icons like Buffet, never know the peaks or the troughs.
So much for collective wisdom.
“Investors” mispriced the dot-com boom, they mispriced the housing-boom and they are mispricing today’s government sponsored bounce.
Back in the fall of 2007 the writing was on the wall. Yes, there were plenty of greater fools like Jim Cramer or Larry Kudlow or Brian Wesbury on CNBC speculating about “goldilocks” and no recession in sight, but the end was in full view for anyone that was inclined to look at things sensibly.
Today, the same sensible analysis should leave one with the same outlook: The American economy is in a very difficult position.
Yes, we have now witnessed the collapse of institutions like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and even the fall of the giants Fannie (FNM) and Freddie (FRE) that had been so long and anxiously anticipated.
Yes, we witnessed a classic financial panic.
Yes, we have seen our government go to extraordinary lengths to prevent this natural correction, backstopping, guaranteeing, propping… bailing… borrowing and spending.
But… fundamentally the real depressive aspect of this process is only now beginning. Only now are people realizing that the good days will not be coming back anytime soon.
That their home is worth a quarter to a half less than what they paid for it… that their job could be in jeopardy at any moment… that their income is not really growing or more than likely in decline… that their “investments” have been down for ten years…. that they are woefully unprepared to fund retirement or their kids education or anything else for that matter.
Soon the phony “boom” that occurred in the wake of the dot-com recession will be all but forgotten, replaced by the sense that the bust and turmoil of phony internet startup era and phony Enron/Woroldcom and phony housing sham, phony stock market and phony Wall Street with its phony billionaire bonuses are all related.
And now we have the stock market climbing on the phony government-sponsored recovery.
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The rest of the world has undertaken similar actions, but the dollar is getting pounded because we are duty bound to act in the interests of the world's defacto reserve currency and our own economic interests........but are not doing so. This tsunami of money is sluicing into just about every financial asset and historical correlations are falling apart because there have never been such oceans of money sloshing about. Since Jan. 1, 61 of 82 country equity indexes tracked by Bloomberg have outperformed the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index of U.S. stocks, which has gained 18.6 percent. That compares with 70.6 percent for Brazil’s Bovespa Stock Index and 49.4 percent for Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index.
Meanwhile corporations have slashed employment to to goose earnings; lending is contracting; unemploymnet is growing; international trade is collapsing; we are facing over $9trillion in deficit borrowing over the next decade; reserve holding of dollars is declining; and NOTHING has been done to reform the banking system because the banks own congress who own the administration. No wonder the elite have done well.
Our Emperors call it entitlements and stimulus; the same strategy of bribes and diversions. The same fetid and morally bankrupt suppression and denial that leads to an accelerating decline.
For America to recover, renew, rebuild and redeem the hope of its founders and the promise of its Constitution, the current US Regime too must follow the path of all degenerate and depraved Emperors. It must have its grotesque excesses and then fall. America and the world will, eventually, be a better place.
Patience , fortitude and a belief in something more noble than their bellies have always been the allies of a beleagured people. So too with Americans.
All nights end, all hurricanes spend themselves, all tyrants die.....or are deposed.
On Oct 13 03:37 PM User 353732 wrote:
> The Roman Emperors in their rancid decline were more honest than
> our own tyrants. They called it bread and circus: the bribe and the
> diversion; the suppression of truth and the denial of reality. It
> did not save them.....and the world was eventually a much better
> place for it.
>
> Our Emperors call it entitlements and stimulus; the same strategy
> of bribes and diversions. The same fetid and morally bankrupt suppression
> and denial that leads to an accelerating decline.
>
> For America to recover, renew, rebuild and redeem the hope of its
> founders and the promise of its Constitution, the current US Regime
> too must follow the path of all degenerate and depraved Emperors.
> It must have its grotesque excesses and then fall. America and the
> world will, eventually, be a better place.
>
> Patience , fortitude and a belief in something more noble than their
> bellies have always been the allies of a beleagured people. So too
> with Americans.
> All nights end, all hurricanes spend themselves, all tyrants die.....or
> are deposed.
Arguably these points follow:
1. The growth of government debt over the past 15 to18 or so months was really an assumption by government of a greater share of the accumulated multi trillion debt bubble resulting from real estate, corporate debt, government debt, securitized loan debt and derivative debt practices over the past generation. The only practical short term alternative to government assuming this greater share was massive default and all the chaos and misery that would have entailed.
2. It took many years for this bubble to reach its current size and banking, corporate, consumer and government practices were fundamentally shaped over this period to accommodate this bubble formation. It therefore stands to reason that it will take several stages and several years to resolve this bubble and change those practices appropriately.
3. It is true that the current retreat from the crisis abyss remains dependent on continued government stimulus and the difficult tasks of economic reform have not yet really begun in earnest, this is more an indication of the delicacy and difficulty of the stabilization process of the past months (i.e. implosion of the banking and credit markets was too close to becoming a reality). Counterintuitive though it will seem to many, government deficits must continue through the early stages of the recover.
In short, stimulus was a necessary tool but was never a solution in isolation to the crisis. Higher taxes, more regulation, higher interest rates, slower growth and difficult and unpleasant measures to resolve the debt bubble itself (i.e. assumption and monetizing of part by governments, default of part by its holder institutions, carrying of the rest by government and corporations until paid down etc.) will all play a part at the appropriate stage. There is no quick surgical solution that avoids negative impact on savers and investors, even those whose actions did not cause the debt accumulation set the stage for the current problems.
I think this bubble is different because it is totally focused on inflating a bubble, any bubble. And in doing so it is destroying the country's finances for generations to come. Everyone knows governments don't spend money efficiently because they have no incentive to do so, in many cases precisely the reverse in fact. And yet the government is going to be a larger and larger part of the economy. And as more people become dependant on the state for their income, either via their job or welfare, the ability to change becomes smaller and smaller.
And with unemployment heading ever higher, there seems no alternative to social unrest and a consequent move towards a police state.
Suppose there is a semi-collapse of the dollar, and it loses a quarter of its value in a week. Wouldn't that boost stocks? Maybe that's what the big players in the market are guessing will happen. (Maybe they KNOW--they're acting like it.)