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Citigroup 2013 Global Technology Conference (Transcript)

September 4, 2013 08:15 AM ET

Executives

Bren Higgins - Chief Financial Officer

Brian Trafas - Chief Marketing Officer

Analysts

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Welcome today to Citigroup’s Technology Conference. I am Terence Whalen, I am Citigroup’s Semiconductor Capital Equipment analyst and also Specialty Semiconductor analyst. It’s a pleasure to have KLA-Tencor here today. We have Bren Higgins, CFO and Brian Trafas, Chief Marketing Officer welcome guys.

Bren Higgins

Thank you, glad to be here.

Brian Trafas

Thank you.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

The format of today is that we’ll have Bren give some initial comments, and I believe a short sort of view the outlook of the industry and then we’ll be able to dig in to some more sort of technical questions and market based questions after that. So Bren welcome.

Bren Higgins

So, what I’d like to do here is, first we’ll start with the Safe-Harbor. We are going to make some forward-looking statements today and those are subject to risks and those risk factors are delineated in our SEC filings which you can find on our website.

So KLA-Tencor is a $2.8 billion revenue that’s the fiscal year ‘13, which we just ended in June. Semi front-end capital equipment company with a market leader in process control. Process control market is a $4.5 billion market. KLA-Tencor has market share in the mid-58 percentile in that market. We have about 18 or 20 different products that spend a lot in front-end process control around inspection and metrology and we are number one in 18 of those segments.

Process control has had pretty good relative growth over the last few years. The dynamics of the market place driven by the mobility markets driving a foundry logic centric mix has been which is the strongest adopters of process control and what we mean by that is as a percent of their equipment spend, how much they spend on process control equipment. So that’s been a big driver over the last few years and has driven KLA-Tencor into this better than industry performance.

Going forward a similar dynamics are expected and so we expect that we will continue to outperform the industry over this cycle. Because of our market position, we are able to extract premium margins from the marketplace and that enables us to continue to invest in technology and resources and support in the field for our customers and generate high returns with best-in-industry operating margins. That drives a fair amount of cash flow which part of our operating strategy is returning a significant cash flow to shareholders.

Since July at SEMICON West we paid our fourth consecutive dividend increase worth $0.45 a share and per quarter, and between our share repurchase and our dividend programs we are returning about 60% of the free cash flow that we are generating just close to 100% of the cash flow that we generate in the U.S. So capital returns is part of the operating strategy of the company.

We are excited about the future, I think in terms of these dynamics playing out, in terms of relative growth, the resiliency of the model and the capital return strategy. In terms of outlook so calendar ‘13 we had really no change in our outlook. Back in July we characterized the year is down somewhere between 5% and 10% for the industry and our revenue would be within that range.

More specifically in the second half of the year we talked in July about our new order outlook for the second half at about $1.5 billion in new orders across the two quarters. We expected foundry to be broader base and to recover from a weaker first half, continued strengthen memory on big NAND capacity projects expected in the September quarter. And Logic weaker but up a little bit pretty strong first half.

So as we look at it today, we are six weeks further into the second half here and I think I'm encouraged by some things. I'm encouraged by the momentum and market position associated with 20-nanometer. So that's encouraging, I think 28-nanometer investment is a little bit more fluid, but I think it's pretty solid and intact and we're seeing increasing momentum in 3D NAND focus and I think that could have some impact on the quarter as well.

I think finally, in the Mask, reticle inspection in the mask shop segment I'm seeing some encouraging sign there as well, where it's been a pretty weak segment and we talked about that a fair amount, so it’s been a pretty each segment over the last several quarters. And so I think when you add all that up, we feel like status-quo maybe at least $1.5 billion in the second half, with some encouraging signs on some of these key sort of technology transitions that the industry is facing.

Question-and-Answer Session

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay, Bren that was a great introduction. Maybe it's a follow up question that I would have is you introduced actually some really terrific marketing projections at SEMICON West. We don't have to go into the depths of detail, but I believe sort of the summary was that at different stations of process roll-out you’re going to have certain amounts of technology buying intensity really help you guys outperform the industry. So the question is where are you guys in that gestation of foundry, when will we start to see inspection intensity really start to improve because I think the observation in the market is that after a very successful first half of the 28 nanometer node, deals have improved naturally. We're seeing some easing in the intensity of inspection. The question is when do we really begin to see that cycle begin to become a more virtuous cycle for KLA heading in to the 20 and 16 and 14 FinFET nodes.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay.

Bren Higgins

Do you want to start buying on --

Brian Trafas

Sure, I think when we look at technology nodes, [search] as you pointed out, at the beginning of the 28 nanometer node, there were a lot of yield learning taking place, a lot of challenges with the next generation of technology. There was some new architecture with high-k/metal gate which were challenging and as the yield matured, you'll go through a point where more in the monitoring for excursion but I get a pretty high yield and we entered that phase in 28 nanometer.

We now see that cycle changing as we go to 20-nanometer where you've got fabless folks running new products through and testing these designs. We're seeing customers starting to focus again in that yield learning where they want to identify what are the key problems preventing them yielding this product. It's really I think a sweet spot for KLA-Tencor and that we've got a leading position with our broadband platform of brightfield tool that does that yield learning from most of our customers in the foundry. Even I look to 16, 14 nanometer with introduction of FinFET and really many more critical layers due to double patterning that is starts to get us back into I think one of the those major nodes, where we're going to see an increase in process control intensities due to that technology change.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

As you talk to customers, are you seeing acceleration or perhaps no change or push out in terms of some of the forecast that they have for sort of the appetite in (inaudible) which they're approaching FinFET?

Brian Trafas

With respect to FinFETs in the foundries today it's in an R&D mode where they're focusing on that learning to get to next generation, when I look at KLA-Tencor, we are playing with our yield learning tools in that R&D critical learning and so in terms of when the capacity gets out hand it’s a different question, but the early learning and the R&D engagements, we're very engaged with our customers in those nodes today.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay terrific. Bren, you had mentioned reticle inspection could we come back to that and understand what you see the reticle inspection opportunity for EUV in particular and what kind of timeline you're preparing for there?

Bren Higgins

So I'll start Brian and then you fire away as needed. So reticle inspection is two segments, there's the fab segment and there is the mash-up segment. And over the last basically through the most of this cycle with multi-patterning, you're actually using fairly mature reticle technology. So it's been a business that has been a little bit softer for certainly in the mash-up side, the fab side, they still do incoming quality control, but they do it on, as if that's fairly mature technology.

So it's been a market that's been a little bit softer for some of the last and it just really from a just a [SAM] perspective more than anything, over the last several quarters. We are able to do advance sort of blank inspection for EUV simple EUV patterns inspection with our Teron [6xx] tool which is in the marketplace today and every mash up effectively has won but it’s been frankly pretty slow in terms of additional pull through on that capability. I think given some of the slippage in the schedule related to EUV, it’s caused that I think just the demand for that product to slowly slip out.

Ultimately, I think we're going to need to be tannik which means that wavelength for EUV and that’s probably 1x kind of nodes out in the 2017-2018 time frame and it’s an interesting case because it’s a single use case sort of application tool. So if you can only use EUV inspection for an EUV in the reticles prefer EUV reticles because -- so the pace of that adoption the cost of that development will be pretty significant and depending on the pace we got, if it's slow it makes the economics of it a little bit more challenging.

So when we look at that investment right now we're still looking at various structures but we aren't thinking about some sort of the sharing structure with our customers around the development of that tool.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

And how is that progressing, how are those discussions?

Bren Higgins

They're happening I think a lot of it will be driven by the pace of EUV, I think they've get scanner issue which is significant I think once we solve the power issue then I think you start to think about the ecosystem. And so there's still I think pretty wrapped up in the source concerns. And so I think it’s a secondary concern but I think it’s out there and I think we look at the end of the day we're probably the only ones who can do it given the knowhow we have, the IP in reticle inspection. So I think once we get there, I think the industry is going to have to step up and work that out with us some way and we're still -- like I said, talking about structure and so on right now.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay. Terrific. Maybe if we can move on and just switch gears a bit, I want to make sure we maintain making a lot of time for audience questions as well. Can we just a (Inaudible) relative intensity of FinFET that versus 3D NAND, where I'm going here is sort of understanding, how 2014 stacks up for the memory and foundry perspective.

You said second half '13 we're seeing a little bit stronger memory spend and good progress with 3D NAND, can you just help elaborate, so we can understand how that moves into first half 14?

Bren Higgins

Yeah, I think calendar 13 is probably going to be sort of 60-40 right foundry logic and memory mix. We see this reversion back to the sort of 70-30 dynamic in the December quarter. I think memory, as we look at it today, I think memory will be bigger than it has been whereas as I said it was 20%, 25% back in 2011 right and 2012.

So, but I think it's probably in a 70-30 mix and as we think about, the relative intensity between the two. So one of the things we went through SEMICON West was to talk about what sort of on a weighted average perspective with the 1X nodes would look like relative to 2X.

And so and at 70 30 mix when you weighted it through in the big 1X you end up with somewhere just of 16% in terms of intensity and if memory looks at 60-40 or maybe that 75 basis points lower in terms of our overall intensity. So there is a sensitivity to it there but that's how it looks, because in memory, intensity memory is about 10%, a little less than that right now and the foundry is 17, growing in to [8].

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

So as we look towards the first half, I guess it's 70:30 for Q. As we’ve looked at the first half and I am not going to nail you down to split necessarily. I am just trying to understand sort of the relative confidence as you see these very significant technology inflection and where the timing is between development and capacity essentially. Do you have any view yet on that?

Bren Higgins

I think like, most of the industry, I think we see 2014 as an up year. Right now, our internal forecast, I think we should imagine is external view of maybe up 10% to 15%, like I said, 70-30 mix. I think the first half weighted towards 20 nanometer with the 60 nanometer and some of the dynamics playing out more on the second half for the year. Lots of caveat on our visibility or visibilities, historically not very good beyond six months, but I think when you look at just about all the significant customers, all the significant customers, I think most of the forecast occur for up spending years next year. So that’s encouraging. Like I said, our internal sort of bottoms up forecast are matching with sort of 10% to 15% [perspective].

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay, terrific. I'll just ask a broader question. We heard a lot about obviously 3D structure, those in foundry and in memory, and I think investors have asked the questions of how 3D structures affect sort of the central importance of that option inspection technology versus a different inspection technology that maybe below surface. If you can just address sort of how you are thinking as of all [being] on that topic.

Bren Higgins

So one of the I think areas of growing opportunity for inspection metrology and 3D has been the focus on metrology, in particular and I will come back to inspection as well. But as we look in logic going from coplanar to some of the (inaudible) fab structures you are seeing more interest in our customers wanting to control some of the 3D parameters which is the requiring things like optical scatterometry where we have an investment both in the optics as well the algorithms to help customers do the modeling from a 3D structures.

Add that some additional measurement steps, it’s also I think positioning KLA-Tencor well in that the technology to measure the 3D structures requires some new illumination systems as well as just some advances in algorithms that we’ve been kind of leader in that IP for several years.

On the inspection front, we have in memory focused on new illumination systems that allow us to penetrate deeper into some of the 3D structures and to use our tunable illumination source on our [broadband] flat material to allow us to tune to be able to look deeper into some of these structures.

Some of the challenges looking at where to identify, which layer the defect is coming from and so we are in collaborations with customers right now optimizing our tools to help for those opportunities. But as we talked about at SEMICON West if you look in the foundry logic going from planar to FinFET at the [16/40] nanometer we think that’s a pretty significant node change where we should see roughly a 30% increase in fastest control from the planar to 3D NAND and memory, it’s probably more on 10% in increase there is not as many layers in memory, but increase in intensity as a result of 3D.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay terrific that’s great Bren. Maybe just another broad question on market share before I go to the audience; where you miss confidence that you are gaining share or are you losing share in any of the area as well?

Brian Trafas

So I will comment little bit on the market share. I always point out that we are in a very attractive segment process control as Bren talked about in our opening remarks that we are the market leader in process control. We have customers that continue to push their designs node in the technology. So we are consistently reinvesting strongly in R&D to continue our strong IP technical position.

Last year our market position remained strong, if you look at Gartner as an example the third party remained very, very strong. I think one of the areas in particular in the inspection process; we have continued to make very strong strides with our broadband [class] which is our 29xx systems and at SEMICON West we have highlighted in particular the high end line monitoring segment that we have seen a very strong growth rates there. We basically are the market leader in that space with that technology. It’s been growing at roughly 25% to 30% CAGR over the last couple design nodes. So we're as stronger as we’ve ever been there, we've introduced a new inspection technology called NanoPoint, which has further allowed us to provide very relevant capabilities for fast learning between fabless and foundry and with these type of capabilities, it's further I think differentiating us from our competition.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Great. And maybe just one last one Bren for you, just can you remind us of the target model and the earnings power across maybe different WFE scenarios over the next couple of years.

Bren Higgins

Generally, I think the way to think about it is that on incremental revenue growth, we think we can see gross margin drop through incrementally of about 60% to 70% incremental margins drop through about 50% to 60%. And I think from where we are operating today, let's say if you went out assume let's say $32 billion WFE that would imply let's say somewhere between around 32, 33 in revenue based on intensities and customer mix issues we talk about earlier.

So in that environment, I think yes plus or minus 50 to 100 basis points on gross margin from let’s say 58% and you have operating margins let's say in a 31% plus or minus with mix and all these will caveat around that. I think the best way to think about it is you should have modeled it through and say okay, if you expect WFE, it's some number and then if you take intensity at 15% to 16% and market share all the way through to revenue level and then from there apply the incremental margin model and that should you get you to where we think we'd be. So in that 32 scenario, that leads to 31% operating margin which gets you down somewhere around near 450 to 475 in EPS from amount -- painting with a bit of a broad brush.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Sure, understood.

Bren Higgins

The one thing I wanted to add back on competition is you mentioned earlier and I one of the things we want spend a little bit of time with at SEMICON West talking about adoption profile that you move through nodes. And so when customers as you've matured your processes and yields and improving customers starting to optimize for cost, they start to add that last bit of capacity in the node. And as you do that, they start to shift from a defect discovery mode to a defect excursion monitoring mode, and so I know I have an issue here and I'm going to monitor it.

And typically because and I'm in that mode, I can do that with lower, we can do that with competitive tools. I can do that with other KLA-Tencor tools, and as I said we sell a number of products to serve those kind of needs and ultimately customers are trying to optimize for cost of ownership and once they're in that mode and that is where, sometimes good enough capabilities do play and so we do see some comparative pressure there.

So it's not new. I think we've seen that in prior nodes and I think if we think about 2014 given the expectations around 20 and FinFET and VNAND and so on that we'll start to see a market position similar to what we saw and adoption by customers similar to what we saw with the 28 I think challenges are going to be pretty significant and that should position us to outperform the market.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

And so you're referring to the phase if one were moving from development to capacity and you're saying that that might be perhaps first half '14, is that right?

Bren Higgins

Well, I think you'll will see some of that happen in '14. Exactly when, timing is a bit of a question but as you see that play out, I think you're seeing a significant investment, we will, intensity levels will be higher frankly in the early development and pilot phases of the ramp of using technologies and so that should I think enable process control into KLA-Tencor’s (inaudible) to outperform.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

And one last basic question, can you just remind us sort of the cash return to shareholders what gives in to [your biz] and how you view that going forward?

Bren Higgins

And so the way we think about it, as much as we think about yields as much as we think about how much can we return and so we took a across the cycle view of cash flow and we also look at this regional distribution of cash. And so as we go through that exercise we effectively looked and say okay, so how much U.S. cash to expect to generate more effectively we're going to return that between the share repurchase and dividend.

When you get the dividend, we think about dividend from a growth and cash perspective so we're going to grow the dividend over the long run consistent with our expected growth in cash and we think about payout ratios generally 35%, 30% to 40% range and that will vary depending on where we're on cycle.

So ultimately, you can only be, you can only grow with sort of the underlying growth rate of cash that funds it, and so that’s how we think about it. So if you think about mid to high single-digit with a 68% sort of topline through cycle growth rate and that should drop somewhere between 10% to 12% kind of bottom line out of that and so over the long run you should expect the dividend grow in the 10% to 15%.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay. Very good, great. We have about 15 minutes, so we have plenty of time but I do want to just check in with audience to see if there are any questions out there.

Unidentified Analyst

Some of your customers have gone to not your competitors but other semi cap equipment companies to fund their R&D and make sure that EUV and other important processes get to market on time is KLA open to funding from your customers like that is that something the board has discussed what’s the attitude in the company towards certain you might say you don’t need it but would take it anyway as the cheap source of funding?

Bren Higgins

Well, I think as I was saying earlier I think it depends on the market I think in most cases we have the balance sheet we can fund what we need to fund and will capture, and we get the returns in pricing or do something upfront but at the end of the day we've been able to really sort of allow them, market forces drive the ultimate returns on the products we invest upfront we charge what we think is appropriate in terms of the value that we're adding and creating and that’s been the model. And I think across most of our products that we'll continue to be.

I think the EUV reticle inspection case is a unique case because it is only applicable to in an EUV environment you can’t effective see anything if it isn't in the EUV because it's (Inaudible). So because of that it's a single use case application and there's a fair amount of risk associated with it if and it's going to cost us a lot to get there, and if EUV is slow and in the pace sort of rollout is slow and you just don’t drive enough units and pretty significant investment it’s hard to see how you get the returns.

So I think the answer to the question is it’s probably case specific and I think in this particular case we're open to it, not so much that we need it as much as we want to see it demonstrating commitment to it, then we will sort of derisk it as go through the development process. So it’s more about the commitment to it and because it’s a unique case in this particular case we even consider it.

And we're having those discussions now, but I think as I said I think it's early, I think the source is dominating all the mind share out there and once that addressed, I think the rest of the ecosystem becomes, look it's a part of the progression, I think it's part of the discussion.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

So, one of the themes that we're looking at internally here is device [inclusion] team which sort of suggests that, some functionality in smart phones we can either (Inaudible) that perhaps we're going to be moving to good enough devices and also looking at the composition of the smartphone growth being heavily skewed towards emerging markets, that creating some deflationary forces overall of [robbing] in smartphones.

My question for you is how do you view the potential for 28 nanometer capacity with Tier 2 additions coming here in the second half to be a good enough technology and how does that affect the rapidity with which the Tier 1 foundries have to moved foundry since then?

Brian Trafas

So, when I look at the mobile devices, if I look at some of the technology necessary to continue to meet some of power performance, some of the multi functionality, there's still is a very strong appetite for the fabless design to want to go to the next nodes.

And in particular, I think there's a very strong benefit in going to FinFET technology and we are from experienced in to move our R&D engagements with our customers, a real strong focus to we want to make certain that they bring that to marketplace in a I think in a faster timeframe than a slower timeframe due to a significant design note hurdle to go through, and as a result, we feel that from a process control provider point of view that it’s going to be a very good opportunity for us and the fact that you've got a leading player in the market already on that technology.

I think is forcing some competitive dynamics in the foundry space to want to bring this forward. So I think we believe in the next couple of years that there will be strong investment provided that technology can be adopted that, the market will want that.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

And Brian, specifically with the functional significance of the FinFET versus the planar?

Brian Trafas

Well, I think you were able to certainly hit some of the power requirements. Everyone is wanting to extend battery life. They are wanting to extend performance of products in these areas and it really provides a strong advantage. I think it's well just from an overall cost point of view as well that you are going to be able to hit some of the targets that are really key to compete broadly against various companies that will adopt that technology.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

What is your internal view on die sized trends and whether the higher level of software complexity is increasing at a rate which consists in die size?

Brian Trafas

Well, I think we have studied this in quite a bit of detail two years ago, SEMICON West where we were mapping out some of the die size trends in the mobile products and it's very interesting, you’ve got this push that I want to scale to new nodes to drive smaller die at the same time, I am adding functionality. And from our point of view, any time there is a dye size increase there is an incredible focus on driving down defect densities. We had shown that with an increase of die size, if you didn’t drive down the defect density you had to start so many additional wafer starts and so it becomes very costly, and in the mobile market in particular I think we are seeing that in the foundries that our process controlled intensity is high due to a lot of process steps, but also the fact that customers are really focused on wanting to drive the defect density down to lower some other wafer starts which will help ultimately with their cost.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Well terrific. May be another question on market share; we had your large competitor in Brightfield, and they commented that they are feeling that they are in very good position to move ahead and take some market share over the next year. What is KLA’s view of that, what are you seeing competitively against some of your largest competitors in Brightfield?

Brian Trafas

Well, I think what's interesting, when we look at the pattern defect inspection markets, there is really two technologies historical people refer to it as like Brightfield as you just got the Brightfield inspection and also a Darkfield inspection.

Today if you look at a Brightfield tool it has Darkfield and Brightfield nodes, if we look at Darkfield tool it has a Brightfield and Darkfields nodes and so that historical view at the market, I think can be very confusing, even for our customers who understand the technology in quite a bit of details.

One thing we showed at SEMICON West was looking at a high end line monitor versus a low end line monitor and essentially one way to look at it would be in our 29xx it has a tunable illumination source and in that high end line monitor segment we have very, very high market share and continue to grow that. That's kind of that yield learning tool.

In the darkfield or what I would refer to more as a laser scattering type of technology, that’s really where we see our competitor focusing. So it’s our laser scattering versus their single wave length tool. A lot of times our competitor will position that at the brightfield tool but it’s essentially single wavelength laser scanning tool.

And so it’s competing more in that low end line monitor market versus the high end line monitor market. And so if you look overall our market position is as strong as it's ever been but in particular in that high end line monitor position we've grown the market. Bren you can comment, I think we had a record shipment year in our fiscal ‘13 of that high end line monitor platform. So we're very well positioned with that with our customers, we continue to drive technology in that place.

Bren Higgins

Yeah, record shipments and record profitability in the broadband product line, I think when you think about process control given the relative growth rates certainly it tracks competition, there's a lot of customer interest in the market these challenges are significant. So customers are always have second source strategies and we talked about those dynamics around where they are in terms of maturing of a node and how that influences buying patterns.

And process control is pretty fluid, because at the end of day, I'm always trying to optimize for cost. So I don't necessarily have a tool of record strategy, we in fact got it perfected process I'm using this enter this new deposition to I don't change them.

At the end of the day, once I try to solve my problems and try to redeploy capability to deal with other problems and to try to optimize for costs. So I think at the end of the day, I think it's a market that's growing access point segment of process control which is a fast growing segment overall and I think rising tide does the raise our ships here.

If you think about market share in that segment, it's 75% to 80%, consistent with where it has been when you think about it overtime, there are always, there's always some noise in there, but in general we haven't seen significant any real change.

And I think that anytime you have a position like ours and a model like ours, it's going to attract competition. So as long as we continue to demonstrate value and execute I think that the patterns we've seen historically will continue to play out.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay. Terrific, we have time for one more question, before we have to wrap up. I wanted to just check with the audience to see if there are any questions out there. Okay. So, I'd like to conclude by just asking a question, what are you most optimistic about in terms of share gain potential heading into the next year.

Bren Higgins

Well, so I mean I think given this state, we're encouraged about with the transitions that are happening and I think as I mentioned earlier multiple customers investing in 20 nanometer, the compelling advantages I think that come from FinFET, being on the memory side. I think all that plays to our strength and I am encouraged that we should see our ability to outgrow those dynamics will play in terms of our ability to outgrow the market.

So I am encouraged by that. I am encouraged by some of this activity we're seeing in the mashup. Hopefully we will see some pickup there. I think finally they're using some capacity. They are starting to push technology a little bit. So improvement in that segment, it's a profitable segment for us. I am encouraged by that as well.

I think as I said earlier, I think about all major customers, all forecasting to spend more money next year at least at this point. People, just some (Inaudible) around those forecast. So I think those are all encouraging.

Terence Whalen - Citigroup

Okay, terrific. Brian, appreciate it. Thank you, Brian. Thanks for your help. So this concludes the session of KLA. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

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