GDP Euphoria: An Artificial High 12 comments
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The bulls went ga-ga over Thursday's "better-than-expected" data on U.S. gross domestic output. But if you look at how the figure was derived -- which seems to be beyond the capabilities of most Wall Street strategists, TV pundits, and stock traders -- you find that the "good news" should have had a big fat asterisk (*) next to it.
In "Thank You Cash for Clunkers," for instance, EconomPic details a less-than-reassuring reason for the jump through the use of an eye-opening graphic:
Motor vehicles added a whopping 1.66% of the 3.5% growth in Q3 GDP. More specifically, motor vehicle output was up... wait for it... 157.6% on an annualized basis.
Source: BEA
In "Don’t Break Out the Champagne Yet: Cause for Concern in GDP," the Wall Street Journal's Real Time Economics blog relies on an old faithful -- the written word -- to dissect a so-called sign of recovery that is actually much less than it seems:
It’s great to be growing again, but two lines in Thursday’s GDP report have the potential to be temporary and warrant caution.
The first one is the critically important 3.4% pop in personal consumption expenditures, which was the biggest gain since the first quarter of 2007, when the housing bubble was still in the early stages of deflating. A very large chunk of that came from car sales, which accounted for a full percentage point of the overall increase in GDP for the quarter. The car sales increase was driven in large part by the temporary cash-for-clunkers program. After surging in July and August, retail car sales dropped 10.4% in September, suggesting the auto sector won’t provide such a big boost again any time soon.
The other piece was homebuilding, which rose for the first time since 2005. Home building didn’t just rise; it jumped 23.4%, which contributed another half percentage point to GDP growth. It is possible that a real upturn in housing has begun. But there might also be temporary factors at play, most notably the federal homebuyer’s tax credit. That’s got better prospects of being extended than cash-for-clunkers, but it won’t last forever. That, and still-large inventories of unsold homes in many markets, could be a weight on the housing recovery.
In short, Fed officials are surely pleased to see the GDP increase. But they’re likely to be a little wary of some of these temporary factors and reluctant to extrapolate above-trend growth from the numbers.
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The rally felt like it was about 99.99% short-squeeze, with Abbe Cohen’s plump, well flock making up the other 0.01%. But that still begs the question of why Mr. Market should have been so nice to us, providing a fabulous opportunity to unload stocks even though “everyone” knows that the bear rally begun on March 9 is over..Mr. Market is planning to drown all the believers on Friday by savaging bulls that just cannot seem to understand the reality of the economy and want to believe the BS coming from Washington.
Or the more likely scenario is that the market reacted accordingly to yesterday's GDP data, and that today investment managers are using that GDP strength from yesterday as a base to lock in some profits today.
But if you are convinced that the bears who were holding short positions are insane, that is your right.
On Oct 30 01:41 PM market ace wrote:
> But did this market surge really indicate that any sane person
> truly believes that the economy is strengthening
> The rally felt like it was about 99.99% short-squeeze, with Abbe
> Cohen’s plump, well flock making up the other 0.01%.
On Oct 30 02:35 PM 401KMAN wrote:
> Nothing artificial about the jobs report. (the market has reacted
> - over 200 points down) Well, maybe the part about "jobs saved".
Now that just sums up all this government intervention - its expensive, poorly applied, and tends to rob future sales. Cash for clunkers was a microcosm of what was wrong with all government intervention. The market now senses that government money has withered demand at every step. They gave trillions to the banks, yet the banks only are responsible for 35% of all loan activity. What did they do with the money - they reduced loan activity for the last 20 weeks in a row (per many publications). They took their money (plus borrowed more at 1% or less) and bought risk-less fixed income instruments. They could have handed each American $20,000 for the same total bill. At least they would have increased demand, not reduced it.
So what is the moral of the story - when you bet on government intervention being efficient, you will lose. The market is waking up to this and wondering what happens when the government induced "sugar high" disappears and we are left with tepid demand. Can you say Bailout Version II in January?
> So what is the moral of the story - when you bet on government intervention being efficient, you will lose. The market is waking up to this and wondering what happens when the government induced "sugar high" disappears and we are left with tepid demand. Can you say Bailout Version II in January?<
You got it Toyota! I don't think the world will tolerate another bailout next time around. I think the entire planet is waking up to the dirty games these thieves are playing and could well react in different fashion next time. If there's another bailout, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world says "here's your bonds back Ben, and don't come runnin' to me next time you need a loan". If that happens, and why shouldn't it?, who's gonna buy the bonds? The FED I guess. Who's left?
How 'bout this Carl! I take a dump and you buy it from me. Then you take a dump and I'll buy it from you. We'll charge each other exorbitant prices for the little brown gems and then go sailing together in celebration of how much money both of us just made. We'll call ourselves bankers too, just for sh$ts and giggles.
This entire economic episode reminds me of some of the lessons I learned while I was studying economics - in a good economic system, good businesses are allowed to succeed and poor business are allowed to fail. By allowing this, capital will freely be distributed to those businesses that are successful, and poor endeavors are quickly halted. The strong companies create more jobs and thus more money for the workers - which in turn creates more demand.
What we have done is prop up the weak companies who will not be expanding, and starve the best companies of capital which leads to no job growth and further reduction in demand. Assbackward thinking created one big poop shoot in the end. This is basic econ 101, but I guess Obama never took economics in community college.
On Oct 30 03:38 PM Albertarocks wrote:
> On Oct 30 03:28 PM Carl Spackler wrote:
Nothing to do with the article, but that story reminds me of Bette Midler in Ruthless People: "Do I understand correctly? I am being marked down?"
1) A National Annual DEFICIT, is increased from around 1%, to 3%, to 13% in consecutive years (in an effort to stimulate the economy) and is likely to stay above 10% in the medium term?
2) A National DEBT goes from around 60% to 100% of GDP, within 10 years and is set to continue rising, on the back of UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, ARISING FROM AN AGING POPULATION, IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY & HEALTH SECTORS.
3) That nations Central Bank acquires "assets" amounting to around 15-20% of GDP. The "assets" are now essentially worthless and the acquisition is made by "printing" more "money". However, the "assets" are still shown on balance sheets at their "former full value".
4) The nation in question had the largest economy (GDP) in the world, by far, equal to the next 3 largest GDP"s combined.