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Two dissatisfied customers comment about a restaurant. One says, "The food here is terrible." The other replies, "I know, and such small portions!" In many ways, they could be describing our current employment picture. Not only are the portions shrinking, but the jobs themselves are steadily losing quality.

Today's release of the October jobs report showed the loss of another 190,000 jobs had pushed the official unemployment rate to 10.2%, only the second time since the Great Depression that unemployment was quoted in double digits (factoring in workers who had given up job hunting altogether or have settled for part-time work would push that rate to 17.5%). That didn't stop Wall Street pundits from trying to fashion a silk purse of this sow's ear. The 'green shoots' crowd focused on the slowing pace of job losses, the nascent economic 'recovery' (even if it is jobless), and the projected improvement in 2010. No mention was even made of the quality of what few jobs were being created.

The analysts completely ignored the continued trend of replacing goods-producing jobs with those jobs that require production from other sources. For example, we lost 61,000 manufacturing jobs last month, but added 45,000 jobs in education and health services. In particular, the addition of health workers is nothing to celebrate. Just as a family's economic position is not improved by higher medical bills, the country as a whole does not benefit from increased health-care spending. Until this trend reverses, our unbalanced economy will not regain its stability, a real recovery will never take hold, and the overall job outlook will get much bleaker.

By spending trillions of dollars of borrowed money, President Obama hopes to engineer a recovery and create jobs. However, he has only succeeded in digging America into an even deeper hole than the one he inherited from his predecessor. He believes that if we can simply push up spending to levels seen during the "good times," then those favorable economic conditions will return. The reality, of course, was that those good years came with a heavy price-tag that we have barely begun to pay.

In a press conference today, the President claimed that the latest extension of unemployment benefits will not only help the unemployed, but the overall economy as recipients spend the money. If spending government-granted money really were a benefit to the economy, why not simply increase the amounts endlessly? Why limit the benefits to the unemployed? Let's make this recovery a real barn burner: send out million-dollar checks to everyone! Of course, what Obama and his economic advisors do not understand is that money spent by recipients of unemployment benefits is money not spent or invested by taxpayers. It's a transfer of wealth, not a creation on new wealth.

In addition, policymakers are also struggling with diminishing returns on ultra-low interest rates. No matter how much monetary alcohol the Fed tries to pour down consumers' throats, the swill simply will not go down anymore. Consumers have already had enough and are trying to sober up – by refusing to spend irrationally. The excess liquidity simply weakens the dollar and spills over into other pools, such as goods prices, money metals, commodities, and investment assets.

During the boom, we spent money we did not have to buy things we did not produce and could not afford. As a result, we are now deeply in debt and must sharply reduce our spending to replenish our savings. By focusing solely on consumer spending, the Administration is neglecting the capital investments necessary to improve our infrastructure and productive capacity.

To generate legitimate economic growth and meaningful jobs, we must reverse the trends that brought us down. Consumers may have led us into this recession, but they can't lead us out. The road to recovery is a one-way street, and it's paved with savings, capital investment, and production. It's not an easy road, but we must follow it to ensure our future prosperity.

As a first step, our politicians must stop pushing us backward. Rather than imposing more market-distorting regulations, we should repeal those most responsible for inefficient resource allocation. Rather than creating new moral hazards, we should withdraw guarantees for large financial institutions and irresponsible consumers. Rather than continuing the Greenspan policy of keeping interest rates too low, we should let them rise. Rather than trying to prop up asset prices, we should let them fall to market levels. Rather than increasing the burden of bureaucracy on the economy, we should look for ways to lighten the load. Rather than encouraging people to borrow and spend, we should reward those who save and produce.

Until we acknowledge these fundamental errors, more of our citizens will lose their jobs. As those that stay employed are funneled into unproductive industries like the federal bureaucracy, the country will sink further into stagnation. Worse still, everyone taking jobs in these sectors will be laid off in the next phase of the crisis – and will have lost this opportunity to build practical skills for the new economy.

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    Peter made the point exactly. We in the 'developed' western appeasement-economies see - indeed for a long time - no difference between productive and unproductive work. It's fatal error. Wealth transfer should be the same as wealth production - a convenient lie invented by the political class. Politicians realized that they can transfer wealth wherever they want, but create - never.
    Nov 08 04:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm not sure I agree about your dislike of adding health services jobs. If you want lower costs and have the capacity to handle the largest generation getting old and needing more healthcare, you need more healthcare workers (not more bureaucracy). These people are more likely to recognize warning signs in themselves and family, getting them to the doctor sooner and decreasing costs.
    Nov 08 04:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    With India's recent purchase of 200 tonnes of gold from the IMF and with Peter's insight into how the US is losing "production based" jobs for "service based" jobs and how our Fed is holding interest rates at a level that punishes people for saving and destroys the value of the dollar, I believe there is only one sane investment strategy right now: buy gold.
    Nov 08 08:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    Peter is largely right on the money, as usual. However, like sticktoitiv, I have to disagree about health care being an unproductive industry. It's true that it doesn't produce any goods, but it does produce a highly valued service. Health care providers have training (and have generally spent large amounts of money to acquire that training) that most people do not have. I cannot set my own bone if I should break it; I cannot remove my own appendix if it becomes inflamed. There is real value in the health care industry. However, the picture does become a little muddied when you start to consider an economy that's 100% service-based.

    Consider a simplified economy where half of all workers are doctors or nurses and the other half are stockbrokers and financial planners. Could such an economy be self-sustaining? Assuming no one had to eat, maybe. But since people do have to eat, that economy would have to import food. In order to do so, we'd have to export something. (Currently our main export is inflation, but in a sustainable world it'd have to be a zero-sum game.) If the countries producing our food valued our health care and financial services, we could export those, but it's usually not too convenient for consumers to buy health care or financial services from the other hemisphere. Basically, we'd have to export goods to import goods. And that means we'd have to produce goods. Either we'd need farmers in addition to our doctors and bankers, or we'd need some other goods producers to produce goods that we could trade for food.

    So in a way, health care is not a productive industry, but in a way it is. Service-producing industries are not necessarily bad, but we cannot survive on *only* producing services.
    Nov 08 08:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    while it may not help the economy jump start, the unemployment checks are needed to prevent a collapse of society itself right now
    Nov 08 08:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    Small terrible portions seems to be baked into our collective cake.

    May I have more gruel sir?
    Anyone not preparing a survival pantry better start today.
    Time is running out.
    Nov 08 08:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Why are you so negative, Mr. Schiff?

    Let me say to you that since I lost my job earlier this year, I am able to stay home and watch CNBC all day, everyday. And I've learned two very valuable pieces of information from watching day in and day out that I am happy to pass on:

    1)Everything is fine.
    2) The economy is just a bit behind schedule concerning employment. That'll solve itself. (refer to #1)
    Nov 08 08:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Of course the checks are necessary.
    The point I think he is trying to make is that this is not a solution.
    The fact that our president is hailing this extension as some sort of economic positive, instead of REAL policy reform to quit funneling our imprisoned funds to the the insolvent captors.

    Picture our big banks in much like the premise of the movie "Weekend at Bernie's." with the government holding up the banks on the left and the Fed holding up the banks on the right. Everone is fooled into thinking it's a-ok, business as usual, except for the two institutions proping it up and Henry Paulsen's loose leverage that killed it.

    On Nov 08 08:13 AM chris coonan wrote:

    > while it may not help the economy jump start, the unemployment checks
    > are needed to prevent a collapse of society itself right now
    Nov 08 09:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    Your solution would probably be well received by my nominee for Federal Reserve chairman, Paul Volcker. I have no confidence that Congress has the stomach. If Bernanke does not, this could get really ugly.

    Recently at the gym, a PhD in Chemistry told me as rebuttal to my debt concerns, that debt doesn't matter. We could just default on all this debt, enforce trade protectionism, and it would work out fine. Then he cited the Weimar Republic as an example. I thought he was kidding. He wasn't. I asked him (as just one example) what we do about oil if the dollar is destroyed? After his first nonsensical response (which my memory banks purged for fear of contaminating other data), I reminded him we import 70% of our oil and if that were cut off, our economy would be destroyed. He changed topics.

    The frightening part is this is a well "educated" person. He really believes this.
    Nov 08 09:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm surprised he didn't hurl a personal insult at you and then leave.
    Nov 08 10:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    By focusing solely on consumer spending, the Administration is neglecting the capital investments necessary to improve our infrastructure and productive capacity
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    Agree 100%. People need to be told the truth.....5% of our economy for about 5 years was make believe. People that couldn't afford houses bought them. People "found" free money in home equity loans and spent it. The masses of people writing these loans and selling these homes earned commissions that should never have existed, etc, etc. Now we need to adjust to that, not try to recreate it again.

    Savings by the American people combined with a national energy policy to rid ourselves of foreign oil and a national industrial policy are the only hope we have. When we see that people used to save 10% of their incomes in 1981, we never see any commentary as to why? Its because people didn't expect the government to do everything for them.....they expected to do it themselves. Now a segment of our population thinks the government is responsible for their lifestyle and well-being. And our cowardly politicians have provided them just that.

    We need to cut government spending, promote personal savings and investment, look out for American interests in trade, invest in infrastructure to rid ourselves of foreign oil, and tell people the truth. You aren't entitled to live as well as you want.....your entitled to live as well as your means provide. And its not government's role to fill the void between the two.
    Nov 08 10:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    Yes, that has been my uniform experience when confronting this particular group.


    On Nov 08 10:22 AM yellowhoard wrote:

    > I'm surprised he didn't hurl a personal insult at you and then leave.
    Nov 08 10:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Judging from the number of thumbs down I've gotten so far I would say you all don't like it. Get over it. Boomers are getting older. The government didn't create those jobs, the dem's bill hasn't been passed yet, this was the free market increasing supply to meet demand.

    You know I used to not do my homework because my parents compliment me for doing it. I was really a lot better off when I started to ignore them no matter what they said. The liberals like to think about healthcare, F them. But ignoring probelms is what got us into this in the first place.

    No, Whitslack,l I am not advocating a service economy.
    Nov 08 10:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    I've seen this guy on CNBC a few times and now spent the morning reading several of his articles. I find him completely negative about everything the government and markets have done and are doing.
    I thank my lucky stars that he isn't running the country or the pain the common man would endure would be unbearable since the wealthy such as himself would come through it fine and on the backs and the suffering of the common man.
    He is a pure capitalist without any social conscience.
    Nov 08 11:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    "the Administration is neglecting the capital investments necessary to improve our infrastructure and productive capacity"

    Really? Isn't that what the whole stimulus thing was about? You can argue about how well it's spent (poor), but you can't say that they haven't ostensibly targeted infrastructure.
    Nov 08 11:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    There is nothing the government gets there hands on that has reduced cost .


    On Nov 08 04:47 AM sticktoitiveness wrote:

    > I'm not sure I agree about your dislike of adding health services
    > jobs. If you want lower costs and have the capacity to handle the
    > largest generation getting old and needing more healthcare, you need
    > more healthcare workers (not more bureaucracy). These people are
    > more likely to recognize warning signs in themselves and family,
    > getting them to the doctor sooner and decreasing costs.
    Nov 08 12:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    A few other thoughts as to Peter Schiff and some other oddities
    I do agree the fed should be disbanded and that interest rates should be set by the markets.
    I do think raising taxes considerably on the well to do would help, after all once you've got a few million, 100 million or billion in wealth whats the point in it all?
    What is it about oil and coal,who is it in the USA is it thats holding the country back from enjoying all the natural gas they have?
    As for peter running for senate well thats insane, he cares about as much for the common man or the country as he does for whats on the bottom of his shoe.
    He cares about his wealth period.
    Nov 08 12:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    'Pay me now or pay me later' - It is not Peter's fault that the consequences of living 'high the hog' for so long will be pain and a lot of hurt people. We have allowed our pol's to seduce us down the debt path, and digging out of this hole will not be easy. Sure we can kick the can down the road another few years but eventually someone will have to pay the bill. I poured every penny I made into paying off my house about 7 years ago so I am not sweating - but I've never owned a boat, I've only owned one home (for 20+ years), did not get a big-screen TV until 2 years ago (it was on sale), eat out maybe 4x/month, my car has 220K+ miles on it, and I am pushing money into my 401k like a madman (my ex house payment). Like Dave Ramsey says, 'if you want to live like no one else when you retire, live like no one else now'.

    American needs to wise up and stop spending money we don't have.


    On Nov 08 11:36 AM just mike wrote:

    > I've seen this guy on CNBC a few times and now spent the morning
    > reading several of his articles. I find him completely negative about
    > everything the government and markets have done and are doing.<br/>I
    > thank my lucky stars that he isn't running the country or the pain
    > the common man would endure would be unbearable since the wealthy
    > such as himself would come through it fine and on the backs and the
    > suffering of the common man.
    > He is a pure capitalist without any social conscience.
    Nov 08 12:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    I don't want the government involved. I've seen the "care" my uncle Irving got in a government run veteran's hospitals. The smell was awful.
    But It is a real issue, don't ignore the whole issue based on one bad idea.


    On Nov 08 12:07 PM snappers wrote:

    > There is nothing the government gets there hands on that has reduced
    > cost .
    Nov 08 12:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think, it may be not entirely useless, to point out in the basics, what by expressions like not or less productive employments is emphasized ith respect to the contrary. These employments achieve - no doubt - some profit for the establishment of common wealth as long as they are limited to a mere function of maintenance in favor of the productive workforce. A doctor in a steelwork is worth his money. In the same respect a teacher whose work prevents from accumulations of unskilled young people in the society (a situation that turns out to be a highly inconvenient one). No doubt, only fools can argue against. But there is to be realized: these employments gain their economic validity by some sort of 'symbiosis' with productive activities in the basic line. A bad worker is better than a good thief and a worker who is able to resume his job after being cured by the doctor is better than an invalid one.
    The really 'unproductive' character of economic activities emerges always out of the illusion, money or the transfer of money could reproduce the real equivalent of its nominal worth. A lawyer whose skills settle the way for thousands of people living in the status of divorce is not paid by money he created by establishing new wealth. He knows very well, that money had been earned on a real basis - a basis he is not eager to join ever himself. But even the greediest lawyer knows that this basis grants the buying power of his money.
    Nov 08 12:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    We need smart health care expenditures, which we are not getting at 16-17% of our GDP. We don't need defensive medicine and lawyers pumping costs into the system to no effect. Why can Europe and other industrialized democracies get health care at 8-9 % GDP. They live longer and express greater satisfaction in their health care delivery than Americans. Great Business Week article on this topic in 11/12/2007 issue.Lets get unhooked from China and produce automobile, green energy and great health care technology jobs.


    On Nov 08 04:47 AM sticktoitiveness wrote:

    > I'm not sure I agree about your dislike of adding health services
    > jobs. If you want lower costs and have the capacity to handle the
    > largest generation getting old and needing more healthcare, you need
    > more healthcare workers (not more bureaucracy). These people are
    > more likely to recognize warning signs in themselves and family,
    > getting them to the doctor sooner and decreasing costs.
    Nov 08 01:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    Don't always agree with you Peter, but this was piece was excellent.
    Nov 08 01:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    When are both sides in the health care debate going to realize that the whole thing is nothing more than a "fake" issue designed by the elites to distract the public from the real problems - the Fed destroying the Dollar by printing trillions in funny money, the elites in Wall Street & DC continuing to enrich themselves off the backs of taxpayers, etc.
    Nov 08 01:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    'social conscience' is code for 'others must have a RIGHT to my labor'. I am sick and tired of this fallacy, after listening to it for 12 hours running on c-span yesterday (health 'care' debate). I listened to people in Congress talk about health care as a 'right'. Really? Who provides that health care? It implies somebody's time and skill. So you're saying that others have a *right* to my time, my effort, and my resources? Sorry, no, I may choose to give, but keep the hands out of my wallet.

    A fellow can be a capitalist / free market advocate / whatever, and have a conscience. This particular one, however, thinks that when the federal freaking government mandates it, it is unconscionable. JustMike, this is why Peter is so negative...because people like you have hijacked the country.

    Even if we, as 'evil capitalists', are in the minority (and frankly, we might be), our system of government is *supposed* to protect the rights of the minority. Instead, we have a grabby-hands government which is on a path to abuse us mightily because of our ideas about personal responsibility.

    To simplify it, our official government policy is one of "take from the Ant for the benefit of the Grasshoppers". And don't give me any crap about lack of 'social conscience'. I spent a night last week working (for free) in a homeless shelter and providing (for free) some much needed groceries. I am completely positive that I am not alone in this kind of behavior...because I see it.

    blog at strikeback2010.com ...and yes, I support Peter for Congress.
    Nov 08 01:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    "The entire structure is nothing more than a house of cards, all you have to do is walk up to the door and kick it in and the whole rotting thing will tumble down" Adolph Hitler in an address to his generals before operation 'Barbarossa' the invasion of Russia.

    The above description may be ascribed to the present administration and financial systems in place in the U.S. today. Nothing will change until this cancerous rot is cut out and discarded for some old fashioned justice and honesty. Prosecute and punish those that are responsible and enforce the letter and spirit of the Constitution.

    Until this happens any 'new' people in Washington DC or Wall Street will just be contaminated by the overpowering rot and hubris that is present in towering dung heaps. This is a shameful blot on the American National character and requires excising.
    Nov 08 01:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    The scariest thing with unemployment today is that it is so lasting.

    www.planbeconomics.com.../
    Nov 08 02:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    The feds extended unemployment benefits, which we all know just adds to the national debt, which will have to be paid out of our tax dollars some day.

    If a person has already been out of work for over a year, one has to wonder what efforts he/she has made to find employment. Is he/she refusing to take a job that pays less than accustomed to? Does he/she have a working spouse? It doesn't hurt so bad when your spouse is working, and you sit home and collect $300+ tax free dollars each week.

    Do the math: wages are taxed by state and federal agencies, and Social Security and Medicare costs are also deducted. Add to that your transportation expenses. You may also be paying daycare to watch your children. So, what's really left out of your paycheck? And most importantly, how does that amount compare to your Federal unemployment check?

    Bottom line: are those unemployed REALLY trying to find jobs?
    Nov 08 05:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hi, A/M, I'd just add one thing. According to a WSJ article last week, unemployment benefits have been extended such that the maximum possible benefit extends to a staggering 99 weeks. I agree with you...I can't see myself in a situation where I was on the dole for almost two years, without doing *something* about it. That is enough time to do an awful lot of self improvement. Start a business. Move. Bite the bullet and take a subsistence level job. 10 weeks? 20 weeks? Even 30 weeks? Maybe so, in this sort of environment. 99 weeks, however, is either laziness or genuine inability to work. I only have empathy for the latter.

    blog at strikeback2010.com
    Nov 08 05:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Odd that no one commented on the "next phase of the crisis" that Mr. Schiff mentions in the last paragraph of his article. I've been saying that that's coming and will there be hell to pay when it does! At some point the Federal government will sink under the weight of the deficit and will be forced to cut workers wholesale. Sadly, this won't come until after the economy is totally bled dry buy tax increases and a long recession/depression. I wonder if Reagan will actually rise from the dead or do you suppose someone can just act exactly like him and be able to take even more heat from his detractors than he did?
    On another note. I am so totally sick of hearing Obama cheerleaders in the liberal media telling us that the economy will roll next year but slow after that as the stimulus wears off. If any measurable portion of that insane bill was actually stimulating anything beyond loyal supports of the Democrat Party, it would never wear off! The economy, once "stimulated", would benefit from the money spent for years or decades! Almost nothing in the bill was dedicated to building the long term economy of the nation.
    Nov 08 08:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    The next phase of the crisis will be scary as hell. The signs are everywhere but complacency rules because the market is irrational. History doesn't repeat, but 2009 rhymes with 1930.
    Nov 08 09:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    it kind of rhymes with the 4th century AD, as well.
    Nov 08 11:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    I suspect that not only will the next phase be scary, but so will the phase after that. I don't expect job creation to begin in earnest until the job destruction phase is completed. And I don't expect us to get to that point in the current phase, as has been pointed out above by several others. But I really don't think that the next phase will be the loss of federal government workers so much as it will include more private sector (another wave as retail sales falter over the holidays and the market swoons in response) along with a lot of state and local workers. I would expect this Administration to keep hiring until it can no longer do so (probably another couple of years). Then, we should see the final wave that could affect all sectors.

    Yes. I am talking about another Depression. I don't like the thought of having to live through that any more than anyone else does. But, I don't think the chances are very good that we will avoid it unless the government changes directions very quickly. I don't see that happening either. I suspect that the 2010 elections will bring more balance of power between the two major parties in Congress, but I don't see any silver lining in that scenario. The likely outcome is either more of the same or stalemate. Either way the direction doesn't change.

    As a nation, we are staring at the cliff just ahead and arguing about who should be steering while all the leaders in a position to steer are jostling for position to get re-elected. We see the cliff. Our leaders tell us that must be a mirage because all the reports that they read tell them that everything is fine. As things get worse there will be bouts of finger pointing and more denial, but the course we're on is the course we'll stay on until it is too late and the rest of the world decides to pull the feeding tubes.

    I hate being doctor doom. I really am the eternal optimist at heart. But I can't remember such idiocy in government lasting for so long. The sooner we pay the price the less painful it will be; likewise, the longer we put off the inevitable, the more painful it must be. Most of our leaders in Congress will feel very little pain due to their position, wealth, and gold-plated benefits/parachutes (provided by none other than the taxpayer). Their friends (the super rich) will not feel any real pain, either. In fact, when things get to their worst point, those who still have anything left will be able to pick and choose from all the opportunities to profit. After all, in every disaster there is opportunity for someone. The rich will get richer and the middle class will all but disappear.
    Nov 09 12:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    When I think about it, most of the wounds in this economy have been self inflicted, either by Administrations (past and present), Congress, Too-Big-To-Fail Banks, Wall Street, the Fed, and individual citizens who let their greed and desires of material things cloud their thinking. This photo really illustrates it best:

    static.seekingalpha.co...
    Nov 09 01:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    True infrastructure spending was less than 10% of the stimulus bill.

    We could have spent 100% on bridges, roads, sewers, water mains, A WALL BETWEEN MEXICO AND THE U.S., but no...it went to buying social programs, office chairs, iMacs, and "programs" to study problems about problems and hold committee meetings to discuss what committees we need to form to save the economy.

    Any person living their life this way would be said to be on a road to perdition.


    On Nov 08 11:51 AM User 450686 wrote:

    > "the Administration is neglecting the capital investments necessary
    > to improve our infrastructure and productive capacity"
    >
    > Really? Isn't that what the whole stimulus thing was about? You can
    > argue about how well it's spent (poor), but you can't say that they
    > haven't ostensibly targeted infrastructure.
    Nov 09 02:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Government is the fox guarding the hen house and the fox doesn't give a hoot if he eats all the chickens. All the fox cares about is getting his noms. Hint: you, your kids, and your earnings are the chickens.

    Gov spending (and debt) will increase and increase and increase and increase and increase. You are not fighting for fiscal responsibility. You are at war with the dogma of socialism. But don't worry, serfdom is just up the road.
    Nov 09 09:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    There are some points I agree with but increasingly he seems to be running for office rather than developing a useful investment strategy. He is dead on center correct when he says we shouldn't have run a deficit during the boom years (2003-2008). I think he is correct in analyzing employment data and concluding that we have a long, long way to go before we get back to full employment. I don't agree with the implication that goods producing jobs are better than service industry jobs; a guy named Joe Stalin reached the same conclusion and, as a result, the USSR produced lots of stuff(and employed lots of people in goods producing jobs) but didn't have anyone around to repair the stuff (because they didn't consider service industry jobs to be productive). In the energy field, for example, the cheapest energy available to us now is probably in the form of energy conservation - many of the jobs installing insulation, replacing furnaces, providing advice on conservation, etc. are service industry jobs that produce energy more efficiently than any production jobs. Finally, on macroeconomics, he clearly disagrees with Keynes(and former Presidents Nixon, Reagan, and George W. Bush - all of whom ran huge deficits rather than plunge the country into a deep depression); I am in the Keynesian camp but I would welcome an insightful and open-minded debate on this issue rather than the bombast of conclusory rhetoric. There is a serious debate among economists about the use of deficit spending to stimulate the economy and it would be helpful to have exploration of the merits of this issue. I am not sure what he means by letting interest rates rise - I suppose the Fed could stop dead in its tracks, close the window and neither buy nor sell treasuries ever again but I haven't really seen anyone knowledgeable defend such a policy. Any other action on the part of the Fed will be interventionist in one direction or the other. Peter is clearly running for office and his writings are sinking to the depressingly simplistic level of political rhetoric.
    Nov 09 02:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    I guess my question to the "hell in a hand basket" crowd is: when were the good old days? When were things great and positive in this country? The 50s? The 60s? The 70s? The nineteenth century? I completely agree with a lot in Mr. Schiff's articles but this seems to be a process that has been with us for most of the history of this country.
    Nov 09 10:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    wchatar: It's not about when things were "great", it's like your health. Maybe you don't feel "great" on an average day, you complain about your weight and you didn't get enough sleep. So to combat your fatigue you eat a lot of sugar, but then you develop type II diabetes. You may not have felt "great" before, but you were still a whole lot better.
    Nov 10 05:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mayer: I guess that I am uncomfortable with those who say "This time its different" either on the upside or down. I think that if you look at any period you can find writers such as Mr. Schiff who predict the worst, even in periods that are now remembered fondly. I think explicit in these arguments is "this time its different". I dont believe that the condition is terminal, grave yes, terminal no.
    Nov 10 07:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    I was with a group of people, nurses, medical assistants, radiation therapists discussing the economy. They all agreed that housing prices and life will eventually return to 2005 levels. When I suggested that the 2005 lifestyle was phony even then, with people living the high life off of home equity from falsely over inflated home prices spurred by the demand side of sub prime no document home loans, thus I suggested we should never return to that state unless we want to relive this recession/depression again and that we need to adjust our lifestyles accordingly. By the look on their faces it was clear that they had never considered that we might not return to that level of consumption again. Most Americans are living in denial.
    Nov 11 12:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    Under capitalism man exploits man.
    Under socialism its the reverse.

    To that little homily you should understand that under capitalism the individual makes choices, under socialism, the state makes them for you; and not to your best interest. See world history.


    On Nov 08 11:36 AM just mike wrote:

    > I've seen this guy on CNBC a few times and now spent the morning
    > reading several of his articles. I find him completely negative about
    > everything the government and markets have done and are doing.<br/>I
    > thank my lucky stars that he isn't running the country or the pain
    > the common man would endure would be unbearable since the wealthy
    > such as himself would come through it fine and on the backs and the
    > suffering of the common man.
    > He is a pure capitalist without any social conscience.
    Nov 11 09:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    2005? no way. Jobs are generally expendable, not replaceable, expendable. It is easy to forget that the 'economy' is more about how many different hands that single dollar bill passes through than about any one specific set of hands: banks, stores, paychecks, bills, taxes, social security, medical bills, or the lottery, all see that same dollar bill come chugging in one door and out the other. Our economy is actually just the sequencing, a good economy is a good sequential of use of the dollar. Too bad people have disconnected the flow or perverted the flow, i.e. pay corporate execs alot and they will spend the money to restart the economy. Hello? Paying one guy to go buy 20 mansions is not the same as paying 20,000 guys more so they can now meet a mortgage. Building 20 empty mansions is not the same a building 20,000 lived-in homes. The empties sit empty and unused, draining value. The dollar dead ended at that marble door, it does not create a need or use for another dollar, like a lived-in house does. Someone has to deal with this reality.

    Note that the banks are in tight, low risk mode, the consumer is tight, not spending...and yet the markets are trying to recover ...why? I think one reason is the echo game going on. A turn of the millenium tech crash echo of the echo boomers is resounding through the market. That old crash had a relatively fast recovery, they do not recall a slow recovery. Are they betting that they can play this market using their computer programs to be quicker than the market? Not get caught in a steep swift correction because of computer trading? I remember when the computer jammed. I remember when if gapped down and missed stops. I remember when phone lines were jammed. They have 'solved' all these glitches, of course. The global market can handle trillions moving in one day, in basically one direction, of course. This is definitely going to get interesting. Like hawks hitting roadkill, they are fast and hungry...and then a semi plows into them...and didn't even notice the feathers flying in the wind...it is not 2005, it is not 1995 either...you have to go back further, and the rules have changed since then.
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    You raise good points, Whitslack.. and there is actually an example of an economy that's mostly healthcare and finance - Hong Kong. Of course, it's only a city, but if you specialize in something that you do better than other people, you don't necessarily have to produce "things" to lead a high standard of living.
    Nov 15 07:24 PM | Link | Reply