Who Is the Mystery Buyer? 32 comments
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I don’t know if any characteristic of this massive 6 month rally has been more apparent than the huge futures run-ups we’ve seen at random points during the trading day. Without news, the S&P 500 futures get gunned on huge volume and surge higher. I’ve seen it at least every other day for 6 months. It tends to occur on low volume days such as the one we’re currently experiencing. As you can see in the chart below, the futures are getting gunned on massive volume without any coinciding volume in SPY. This means an institution is jamming the futures higher knowing that they can drive the market higher on no volume. Effectively, they can take out every asking price with a large enough order and immediately create a 0.25% bump in the market in no time. If you’ve been wondering why we’ve seen huge surges on low volume days and conviction high volume selling on down days this explains much of it.
I don’t know if there is malfeasance behind this or if the buyer is simply too stupid to input trades at the bid (like most rational investors do as they try to achieve the best low price), but this is certainly an odd phenomenon that I cannot recall occurring so routinely over the course of my career. Who is the mystery institutional buyer that just needs to place their huge block orders with such urgency?
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Lol, no Idea??
All I know is that in so doing they convinced me not to put my money on their table.
I wouldn't worry. I'm sure the SEC has noticed this manipulation and is conducting an exhausting investigation to make sure laws/rules are not being violated by IBs not authorized to break them by GOD at least that is my understanding.
That was said by Andrew Jackson... and he did indeed rout them out.
"World's Big 3 i-bankers plan record $30-bn bonus: Goldman Sachs Group, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase’s investment bank, survivors of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, are set to pay record bonuses this year"
Looks like they won and will be dividing the profits amongst them this year. Last year, they lost and went to the citizens of the US for a bailout. I.E. They charged losses to the treasury. Our kids will pay those losses back in the future by working for the Chinese company instead of having money to go to college.
Hello...a hint, it rhymes with "Moldman Racks" (good luck with that riddle).
The "real" buyer of origin is the taxpayer (through the Fed then again through GS).
Madoff (from his cell)- "wow, I thought my scheme was bad..whew."
It would be fine if "the culprit" acknowledged this "program" in advance. Otherwise it amounts to insider trading , potentially with taxayers money, which includes said miscreants.
It's amazing how even in the absence of any motive or mechanism, people will still come up with the most amazing conspiracy theories.
No one can move the cash stock market simply by buying small amounts of S&P futures on low-volume days. The reason for that is that there is effectively unlimited capital behind index arbitrage traders, so you'd never see the spread between the cash market and the future's fair value drift by more than a tick or two, except during massive crashes.
Rapid, large block trades in the S&P futures can be the result of any number of things. These include mutual funds rolling over their December contracts to the March ones, hedgers or 130/30 funds being forced to rebalance after a large transaction, a hedge fund being forced to cover a short due to an impending margin call, or even a foreign government trying to diversify a multi-billion dollar portfolio.
The S&P futures are the basic tool of the trade for any large equity trader. When things need to be done in a hurry, they go to the CME "spooz" pit, or--more often these days--the Globex E-mini S&P terminal. Large blocks change hands all the time; we only notice them during low-volume days, when they move the futures market.
> I don’t know if there is malfeasance behind this
It would be insider trading because those executing the trades have information that can move the markets and the information is not available to anyone else.
I guess, it is the same thing as the currency intervention, which is an acceptable practice by many governments. But the difference here is that currency trades executed directly by the government. The stock market /futures trades, if such actually exists are executed via a proxy and the proxy profits from them.
Also, currency interventions are expected because there have been many precedents. Stocks market interventions are not expected.
PS - those two charts quantify nothing.
This would be a conspiracy theory if it weren't the absolute truth. There is simply no other explanation that the government or some connected entity pushing up prices.
On Nov 10 09:19 PM Owen wrote:
> That's right...some evil mastermind is pushing the market higher
> just to spite us!
>
> It's amazing how even in the absence of any motive or mechanism,
> people will still come up with the most amazing conspiracy theories.
>
>
> No one can move the cash stock market simply by buying small amounts
> of S&P futures on low-volume days. The reason for that is that
> there is effectively unlimited capital behind index arbitrage traders,
> so you'd never see the spread between the cash market and the future's
> fair value drift by more than a tick or two, except during massive
> crashes.
>
> Rapid, large block trades in the S&P futures can be the result
> of any number of things. These include mutual funds rolling over
> their December contracts to the March ones, hedgers or 130/30 funds
> being forced to rebalance after a large transaction, a hedge fund
> being forced to cover a short due to an impending margin call, or
> even a foreign government trying to diversify a multi-billion dollar
> portfolio.
>
> The S&P futures are the basic tool of the trade for any large
> equity trader. When things need to be done in a hurry, they go to
> the CME "spooz" pit, or--more often these days--the Globex E-mini
> S&P terminal. Large blocks change hands all the time; we only
> notice them during low-volume days, when they move the futures market.
>
Perhaps I am wrong and someone has a rational explanation, but it simply doesn't add up.
Furthermore, I have been long at several critical junctures of this rally including calling the March 8th bottom to the day (pragcap.com/coming-thi...) and before each earnings season. So no, I am not just some bitter short seller who can't explain why the market keeps rising....Just another investor trying to connect the dots. Heck, perhaps this is a reason to be bullish?
On Nov 10 10:14 PM Mike McCurdy wrote:
> If I am not heavily long at the time of these conspiratorial spikes
> then clearly, it is the shadow government market manipulators that
> are juicing the futures.
>
> PS - those two charts quantify nothing.
With 100s of billions, you can certainly move the market!
Just a thought.
Have you also noticed the fact that the last few corrections are getting bigger (i.e -7%)? Play the technicals and ride the SP 500 up to 1130 like we are currently doing with ease and then short it down from 1130 to 1080.....a break below 1030 will finally break that trend and bring in the real correction....otherwise, play the technicals for an easy Christmas gift this year.
On Nov 10 04:30 PM schlumpf wrote:
> Hmmm who is the mystery buyer ???
> Lol, no Idea??
You don't need one billion dollars to buy a notional value of $1B in S&P futures. Based on current margin rates, you'd only need about $60 million, a mere trifle for most hedge funds. And if it's done as part of index arbitrage, the amount needed is far less.
Why would the government need to "stabilize the market" after a 65% run-up from the March lows by buying the S&P on low-volume days? If you must dream up conspiracy theories, at least come up with plausible ones.
On Nov 10 10:18 PM TheDecider wrote:
> Small orders? The volume was over 50K in this 5 minute period.
> That means the order on the E-minis could have been well over $1B.
> You call that small? Who has the firepower to execute an order like
> that at the asking price?