Itau Unibanco Banco Multiplo SA ADR Q4 2009 Earnings Call Transcript

Feb.10.10 | About: Itau Unibanco (ITUB)

Itau Unibanco Banco Multiplo SA ADR (NYSE:ITUB)

Q4 2009 Earnings Call

February 10, 2010 09:30 AM ET

Executives:

Daniela Ueda - Financial Investor Relations, Brazil

Roberto Egydio Setubal - CEO

Silvio de Carvalho – CFO

Jean Marc Etlin - Executive Vice President of Itaú BBA

Marco Antunes - Accounting Director

Analysts:

Jason Mullin - Goldman Sachs

Daniel Abut - Citi

Jorge Kuri - Morgan Stanley

Saul Martinez – JPMorgan

Marcelo Telles - Credit Suisse

Craig Maurer – CLSA

Jonathan Prigoff - Equinox Partners

Victor Galliano – HSBC

Enrique Narvaho – Santander Bank

Presentation:

Operator

This is Itaú Unibanco Holding Conference Call. (Operator Instructions).

At this time, I would like turn the conference over to Ms. Daniela Ueda of Financial Investor Relations, Brazil. Please go ahead.

Daniela Ueda

Good morning and welcome to Itaú Unibanco Holding Conference Call about 2009 earnings. This conference call is being broadcast live on www.itau-unibanco.com/ir. A slide presentation is also available on this site.

Before proceeding, let me mention that forward-looking statements are being made under the Safe Harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1996. Actual performance could differ materially from those anticipated in any forward-looking comments as a result of macro economic conditions, market risks and other factors.

With us today in this conference call in Sao Paolo are Roberto Egydio Setubal, CEO, Silvio de Carvalho, Chief Financial Officer, Jean Marc Etlin, Itaú BBA’s Executive Vice President and Marco Antunes, Accounting Director.

First Mr. Roberto Setubal will comment on the 2009 earnings. Afterwards, management will be available for a question and answer session.

It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Roberto Setubal.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Good morning and good afternoon for all you. I would like to start this presentation talking about some of the highlights we had this quarter. Starting with the earnings, we had strong earnings $2.8 billion of recurrent net income, which shows a ROE of 22.6%.

Our final net income was $3.2 billion and I’ll talk more about that explaining the differences. But most of the extraordinary items were related payment of the federal tax law, which gave incentives to payments and we took advantage of that.

I’d like to mention, and we see also this along with the presentation, that we had not used any of the anti-cycle provisions that we have on our balance sheet. So, this was a very strong recurrent earnings because we are not really using any of the provisions we have done previously, and I will talk more about that.

One of the important things on the quarter was the NPL ratio, which has improved, both 60 and 90 days and this is a trend, as we announced in the third quarter that will remain for the year. And also I will talk more about that.

I’d like to go to page three. And I will not read the numbers, you can see most of the numbers basically talk some of the cycles we have there. First I’d like to call your attention on the ROE of the quarter, 22.6%, very strong and very stable along the year, which shows our capacity to deliver an ROE along the levels in different scenarios.

We have also done improvement in our efficiency ratio, if you look our number in 2008 was 45% and now it's down to 42.4%, so good improvement. And also taking advantage of various synergies of our merger between Itaú and Unibanco, and also we introduced this risk adjusted efficiency ratio which also that takes into account in addition to the costs take into accounts, the losses on risks and it was at the end of the day, we increases the losses but we could manage this with revenues and cost cuttings, so that the final ratio was basically the same year-to-year.

Moving to the next screen we see, had a extraordinary effects where (inaudible) quarter as I mentioned we have this new laws that allowed us to avoid tax (inaudible) on litigation and incentives to pay down, those taxes was on litigation with some incentives but since we had provisions, we had a positive impact in our benefits.

For that on page 5, we can see the P&L of the quarter of the year, compared to the previous quarter and previous year. As I mentioned, in the quarter we've not used any of the provisions, additional provisions for loan losses.

This was the first quarter that we had not done that in the year. So if you look on the column of the year, you can see that we had used $1.6 billion of provisions that we had on our balance sheet in December last year and it was not the case of this last quarter, showing how strong was the results of the quarter.

I also would like to mention the growth on our service fees, 9.8 in this quarter, which reverse the trend of the year. The quarter was strong and we have overcome some of the restrictions that was imposed by Central Bank and justice on fee that we were driving clients and we are not able any more to do it.

But now this was in the beginning of the year and now we are more, in a more current recurrent level of income giving that -- out for the quarter that had some seasonal volume. But we don’t have any restrictions now to phase ahead. So we see a more normal plain field ahead.

Provisions was the highlight of the quarter, strong reduction on provisions, we are talking about $600 million reduction in provisions which were very much outcome and well anticipated for -- of us, when we had the last call.

Recovery of credit results were improving as you can see this is natural again because of the cycle that we are now going through. It’s cycle, so we will have stronger progress in the coming quarters given the provisions in the losses that we have in the previous quarter and now we are in the good part of the cycle given that the economy will grow like 5.5% for 2010. This is our expectation.

I think this, on the expense side we have I will talk more about debt in the coming slides but I'll just show you that for the year we have 4.1 growth on expense below inflation so that we already see some of the benefits of the, the merger of the cost cut and stimulus that we have expected.

As I mentioned, when I commented with you the efficiency ratio but I will talk more about that on the presentation. The loan evolution was positive in the last quarter of the year or the stronger quarter also given the cycle of the economy and also the seasonality of the year.

We had a strong growth in credit cards, increase in the year past this and also in small company. So this pushes our total growth to 3.6% and for the year 2.4%. But when we talk about retail loans which had a much more stronger impact in revenues, we are talking about 5.7% growth in the quarter and 14% growth for the year. In the year that not especially strong, given the recession.

Going ahead we can see that non-performing loans improving. We are reducing the NPL ratios. And as I mentioned, we have not used any of the additional provisions that we have in the balance sheet on this quarter. Coverage ratio stayed -- are more stable.

In the next slide, we can see in a different way the expenses for provision when compared to the credit portfolio. And also in the next page we are seeing the funding and asset under management of the bank. Manages, total number has improved the year, 15% with some highlights in the last quarter especially in savings deposits and demand deposits, which are lower cost deposits.

And then also you can see that for the year, we have reduced institutional investors. We have reduced market deposits from banks and securities issuance, which are more expensive; issuances are more costly for us.

So we are giving a very liquid position today, we are emphasizing more the low cost products for the bank.

As you can see, page 10, our liquidity ratios are very profitable. So, we are in this (inaudible) of not really having to go – we are not going to the market to front the bank. We are doing it basically on the client base and we are very profitable with this current situation.

When we see the fee revenue – on slide 11 we can see good progress in this last quarter. We have some seasonality but also we have – as I mentioned, the economy push that helped with the numbers.

For the year, we had some problems at the beginning of the year giving some restrictions, as I mentioned, from the Central Bank and (just this). But now this is over, we are back to growth on the fee revenues.

On the expenses, on page 12, we have important figures here that I would like to share with you. First, although we had a 7% growth in the last quarter, we had only a 4% for the year.

The 7% growth has a lot to do with two things, which are very seasonal in our case. One is, the personnel expenses, which grew 9%, (inaudible) the 7% increase salary that we had for all banking system personnel and also given the fact that at year-end we have extra – our payments, given the more intense use of banking and the economy activity that was more intense in the last quarter. We have more extra hours payments, so this explains the increase in personnel expense.

On the side other expenses, marketing expenses usually at year-end are more intense, so this explains most of the number there. But when you look on the quarter left of this screen, you can compare, although it increased 7% compared to last quarter, it decreased when we compared to last quarter of 2008. So it was 3.8% decrease when we compare year-to-year quarter, which gave the picture more clear about the seasonality and things like that. So this was a good improvement I believe.

And when you look those orange bars on your right side you can see that quarter-to-quarter, the last two quarters were better than 2008 quarters. Although, the beginning of the year was higher and they were higher basically because during the 2008-year both Itau and Unibanco were in a growth mood, so we end up in a running rate expense in 2008 much above the beginning of the year of 2008.

So this change in the level of expenses explains why we had this first quarter 2009 and 2008 growth, which was not the case when we compare year-end quarters.

This can be better observed on page 13 with this improvement on the efficiency ratio.

When we talk about the risk-adjusted efficiency ratio, you can see that we are floating around on same level, which shows our capacity to manage the higher-level of losses during this crisis periods.

Our capital ratio on the slide 14 has kept strong. We have very (inaudible) low numbers that we are going at this moment now, and you can see that we have a lot of room for Tier II capital, which we are not using at this moment.

When we talk about segments on slide 16, we can see that we have the three major segments of our business, very good and decent very rock ratios. And this was –given the very complicated year, very good year at the end of the – they're giving all the numbers, in all the segment we have and could good manage in all the three segments, good results.

On screen 17, I'd like to share with you the numbers that and how Porto Seguro's view affected our results. As you can see a very small impact in our net income almost negligible change, so both the lines -- the numbers there is some impact there they can see on this screen. And important is that was a very small impact on bottom line.

On page 18, we gave you our view and guidance for year 2010. We are expecting a 5.5 GDP growth, this would imply good growth on credit, we are talking about between 15% and 19% growth on credit.

But I like to call your attention, this is the number for individuals. But I like to call your attention for numbers 19 and 23 that are in the same line in parenthesis, which talks about the performing loans.

Performing loans would grow 19% to 23%, so higher than the number that you’ll see on balance sheet and this is due to the fact that we are expecting a lot of write-offs during the year, write-off of loans has already been (inaudible).

So, this will not have meaningful impact in the results, but you’ll have impact from the -- when you see the growth comparing the balances of credit between [one year] and now. So we have a big difference in this number.

This difference is even higher when you look for the number of small company credit growth on 2.1 number here in the page. We have a much higher growth when we talk about performing loans and then we have – comparing the numbers of the balance sheet.

This is still again the write-off.

NPL we believe that we’ll decrease from current levels, the delinquency we will improve along the year even though we are expecting some increase in interest rates, we still believe that in PLs will decrease for the year.

Banking fees, we expect to grow between 10 and 15%, when we talk about expenses, excluding credit card and (inaudible) we are talking about 3 to 5% growth but if we do not include expansion cost which cost directly related to new point of sales which means new branches, new platforms for small companies, new point of sale in partnership that we already have like America (inaudible) we have opened new point of sales this would have – this do not includes the cost of the new point of sales we are talking about expenses, growing between zero and 3%, which clearly shows some, it's result of our (inaudible).

I like to finish this presentation at this point and open up for your questions.

Question-and-answer Session

Operator

Ladies and Gentlemen we will now being the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Your first question comes from Jason Mullin - Goldman Sachs.

Jason Mullin - Goldman Sachs

I have two questions about the guidance that you've presented for 2010. First, could you talk to us about Itaú Unibanco's outlook for the growth for the Brazilian banking sector overall? Do you anticipate that Itaú Unibanco will be able to maintain its market share post merger?

And secondly on fee income growth, you talked about a level of 10% to 15%. Now that you've seen normalization in the regulatory environment and the adjustment that we've seen on individual pricing for fees, can you talk about what kind of fees would be driving this growth?

Silvio de Carvalho

Well we’re expecting, as I mentioned, 5.5% growth in economy. And the numbers shown here in the guidance are numbers that basically have – some lines -- some gaining market share like small companies for instance, and some others stabilization of market share. We are following these numbers properly. We’re not expecting any loss of market share in 2010.

Regarding the fees growth, we are basically expecting growth coming from volumes. We are not really implementing these numbers in the major change in the pricing of our services.

Jason Mullin - Goldman Sachs

Just as a follow up on the fees, is the fee income from the investment banking operation driving a significant portion of that? They were quite strong already. We saw some reasonable revenue already there.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Jean Marc is here so he can talk something about investment bank perspectives for 2010.

Jean Marc Etlin

Just looking specifically at the investment banking side of the equation, we expect overall, a fairly supportive market in 2010 versus 2009. As you know, half of 2009 was basically a write off and we had a very strong period in the fourth quarter in terms of investment banking business.

So, in terms of perspective, I think we sort of have a positive bias, I would say. And as such I think, the contribution of investment banking fees to the overall fees of the group should continue to remain strong.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

And Jason, I would also like to call your attention that this number, 10 to 15 is also highly backed up by credit card fees, which credit card, we are expecting to keep to keep the same level of growth that we have had last years, about 18% to 20%, these are the numbers that the markets are expecting for credit card growth.

Operator

Your next question comes from Daniel Abut - Citi.

Daniel Abut - Citi

Good morning Roberto. I think you mentioned in your presentation that you expect, as most people, interest rates to start rising in the year. Could you elaborate a bit and give us some color how you see that impacting your margins and double line income.

In 2009 we ended up having a pretty solid double line income in large part because your treasury operations contribute very nicely. How do you see things playing in 2010, now that you widely, most people tell you, interest rates are starting to rise?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Well, we are expecting the interest rates to increase as the market appoints, but we do not expect any meaningful, at all, impact of this directly because of the increase in interest rates.

We expect margins to come down a little bit, but as I said it will be because this will be in a different way -- rates will be increasing, so margins will not come down as much as they could if rates were not increasing, but they will still come down somehow. And also what else? You mentioned the third item on your question.

Daniel Abut – Citi

Treasury contributed very nicely 2009, but it was (inaudible) interest rate environment.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Right you are right treasury was a great contribution in 2009. We do not expect and we do not count on this for 2010 and 11. I think the levels of gains on markets were very high, we're not expecting to – we're expecting some decrease in that line.

Operator

Your next question comes from Jorge Kuri - Morgan Stanley.

Jorge Kuri - Morgan Stanley

I have two questions, the first one is on expenses for the fourth quarter if we add up your personal expenses and administrative expenses, they grew roughly 12% quarter-over-quarter.

Can you give us some color on if there were some one timers there obviously the seasonality in the fourth quarter implies stronger growth but it seems that the grow was a bit higher than but seasonality is – anything (inaudible) that we shouldn’t expect to see going forward?

The second question is, you're talking about volume growth of around 15% to 20% year-over-year. So I'm assuming that on average growth is going to be closer to 15% for the year with some pressure on margins as you mentioned and much lower trading environment.

Are we talking about financial income growth, closer to 10% for the year, what's your expectation for that?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

I'm not sure your numbers on expenses, because the numbers that I'm showing on the page 12 shows 7% increase on cost, so you mentioned something like 12%. If you have the slide, we are adding all expenses all together including personal, administrative, other operating expenses, tax expenses and this adds up to $6.7 billion on the fourth quarter.

So I am not really sure what numbers are you mentioning.

Jorge Kuri - Morgan Stanley

Well I was just looking at personal expenses plus other admin expenses, personal expenses grew 9.4% and admin expenses grew 14% quarter-over-quarter and those two jumps were the ones I’m trying to understand.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Well personal expenses we can explain very easily. We had a 7% increase in salaries for the whole banking sector on Brazil in September. So the last quarter has really the impact of those expenses there.

In addition to that we have extra hours payments in the last quarter giving the, which increases always in the last quarter giving the more intensity active of the economy in this last quarter. So this probably explains most of the variation on personal expenses.

On administrative expenses, we have marketing expenses, which usually have seasonal spending higher, the spending is higher in the last quarter. So this explains part of it. In addition we have like I mentioned more intensity. So in areas like energy, water, everything it’s higher and also some services that we have services, we close the year and we have to finalize some contract. Not with (inaudible) we have more number of transaction during the first quarter, it means that the cost higher is related with that.

Jorge Kuri - Morgan Stanley

I'm just trying to understand, when you put together your guidance for long gross loss, a margin contraction loss, much lower treasury operations. What's you expectation for financial income growth, obviously before provisions?

If you just do a quick math you'll probably end up with somewhere around 10 to 12% growth in financial income, does that make sense.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

We are not giving any guidance on growth on total revenues as you are mentioning but we will have some growth, we are not guiding, this time I don’t have a clear number here to give you, but we will have growth.

Operator

Your next question comes from Saul Martinez – JPMorgan.

Saul Martinez – JPMorgan

I want to understand the dynamics on your net interest margin of changes in rates little bit more fully, maybe Silvio can help this here. But as I look at your annualized margin this year, excluding treasures, it actually increased over the course of the year. It's 10.3% in fourth quarter of 2008, 6% fourth quarter of 2009 even as rates have come down.

And if I look at the components that is -- because the annualized rate on spread sensitive transactions increased meaningfully even and more than offset the impact of lower rates on rate sensitive transaction. All of which would seem to imply that as rates go up, that net net is more of a negative for you in terms of net interest margin, which is a little bit contrary to what was said earlier that higher rates will actually stem the declining in net interest margins.

So can you just help us understand how you think about the impact of higher rates on your margin because it looks like lower rates actually benefited you net net in 2009?

Silvio de Carvalho

So what we saw that’s our financial margin, net interest margin, which was increasing 90%. The reason basically is because we have some increasing of spread during the year, even consider that the interest rates have reduced but we increased the spreads because of the increase in delinquency.

It was basically the reason because we had this impact and we have a very good result related with the treasury, you saw that. When you see the movement in the future interest rates, we made sure that we are not expecting that net interest margin, we (saw) any movement during 2010. Just because we have the (inaudible) of the portfolio, that the duration is about 20 months. This will not impact the material circumstances.

Saul Martinez - JPMorgan

So Silvio, the duration on your loans is roughly 20 months? Is that what I heard from you?

Silvio de Carvalho

Yes.

Saul Martinez - JPMorgan

So basically, it’s just the higher lending spreads gradually impacted, over the course of the year, the spreads on your spread sensitive transactions?

Silvio de Carvalho

Yes. Only this is not happening immediately. We will have some – it will take some time to appear in the P&L.

Saul Martinez - JPMorgan

And the second question is also a follow up on the treasury results. I think in the past conference call, I asked how to think about a more reasonable run rate for treasuries. And I think it was mentioned that the floor on treasury income, on a quarterly basis, maybe in the neighborhood of $400 million to $500 million for the quarter.

Can you just help us understand what’s in that treasury result and how to think about what’s more of core recurring revenue stream and what’s a little bit more volatile on a quarterly basis?

Silvio de Carvalho

Well, we put on that line all the transactions that we do with market counterparts, market – well, it’s very hard to talk about a number there. I can tell you that this year the number was much stronger than the usual number that we would expect for that kind of line. The numbers can vary a lot and we believe that this was a very strong number for the year of 2009.

If you compare 2009 to 2008, you can see that 2008 was $2.1 billion and 2009 $5.6 billion. So it was a major increase. And seeing these numbers of 2009 above the expected number that we can put, we can expect for 2010 much above.

Operator

Your next question comes from Marcelo Telles - Credit Suisse.

Marcelo Telles - Credit Suisse

I have two questions, the first one regarding the growth in your individuals portfolio. Can you elaborate a little bit more on which segments are going to drive the growth, more specifically if you could mention also the vehicle financing segment.

And the second question is about the Hipercard. What are your plans for Hipercard going forward? I mean do you see them operating independently in a fully integrated module or do you think at some point, it would make sense eventually to have Hipercard integrated? At least the acquired business should be really (inaudible)?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

On the side of the growth on loans, we have just divided into consumers and companies. Companies we have already mentioned that small companies we will outgrow the big companies. We expect growth for big companies but much higher growth for small companies as we put on the screen 18.

On the side of consumers we deliver credit card to be one driver, important driver and credit cards will be another driver. Those will be the two ones that will be pushing the number for consumers.

We have also mortgages, which would be important number, we grow a lot although the number comes from a very low base and we have a smaller impact in 2010.

Hipercard, we like the business, we deliver Hipercard has a lot of potential. We are discussing how to issue more Hipercard for Itaú clients. We have a lot of discussion on that. But we do not have any position on the acquiring site.

Operator

Your next question comes from Craig Maurer – CLSA.

Craig Maurer - CLSA

I had a quick question and follow up on the prior question, regarding credit card, I was curious what your opinion is on how that business evolves and how the market evolves once the exclusivity agreements roll-off and competition begins with Santander and possibly others?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Well, I have to tell you, I'll ask you to ask this question to Redecard and you know, I am here on the capacity of it -- I will not to comment on Redecard, I can, we are very happy with the investment that we have there. We believe that’s a big company. It’s lots of potential in Brazil to grow.

But I will not talk specifically about Redecard operations in this call. I am sorry.

Operator

Your next question comes from Jonathan Prigoff - Equinox Partners.

Jonathan Prigoff - Equinox Partners

Hi, I had a question about insurance income in the quarter. I notice that the net result of insurance operations was higher, I know some of that’s probably due to the loss ratio in Q4 being lower.

But I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about it and also how the Porto Seguro transaction will affect that one item going forward?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Well, Porto Seguro transactions as you know will affect our numbers because we will be consolidating a steady percent of Porto Seguro in our balance sheet. We will not consolidate 100%. We will consolidate under Brazilian laws 30% which is our participation in that investment.

As we have on page 17, the numbers and how they impacted our quarter line-by-line. So you can, these are numbers for the quarter, as you know we started consolidated Porto Seguro this last quarter. So there is not, there is no previous influence on the numbers. so it is the line by line how it impacted our P&L. (inaudible) this is a great company, we are very positive on this bill. The integration is going well, we have already selected the people that we moved to Porto Seguro. So things are moving, we are very positive on that.

Jonathan Prigoff - Equinox Partners

So going forward in the summary income statement, the net result of operation, insurance pension plan capitalization, that line item, that’s going on, you didn’t provide guidance on that. So is that going to grow roughly in line with other C income or is it going be moving a little bit definitely.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

I don’t have a number here to give you but I think there is no major change if you compare to previous numbers, we are not expecting any movement, any major movement in those lines. Maybe see we can give you more detailed guidance on that more information on that.

Silvio de Carvalho

I will call you later; I will give you more details about the operation.

Operator

Your next question comes from Victor Galliano – HSBC.

Victor Galliano – HSBC

Just two questions from me, one on asset quality. In looking at the implication on the improvement and asset quality which we see from your guidance is that corporate credit is going to improve more rapidly than that of the individual credit, is this a market thing, or is this because Itaú Unibanco has been, shall we say more cautious and more conservative in terms of marking down corporate credit during the weaker part of the cycle? So is this something of non-performing loans going back into performing.

And secondly on personal expenses and operating expenses generally, and looking at the expansion plan, I just want to confirm, I don't think you do, do you capitalize any of those expansion costs of new branches or will you put those all through the P&L, in other words all those costs in the 3% to 5% guidance that you're giving?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

In the first question, we are expecting, as you could see on our guidance for 2010, the same kind of growth on the balance sheet for consumers and companies. Although when you look on the side of companies, you have higher growth on small companies. And when you look on consumers, you have higher growth on credit cards and personal (inaudible).

So but basically at the end of day it's much more a market and opportunities that we see than any other thing. I don't have a opinion of, if you have been more conservative than others or not, I think this is very difficult to mention anything on that area.

And your other question, no we do not capitalize any kind of expenses. In the year 2010, we are expecting to have expenses, given the merger and the branch unification program, we expect to have additional expenses of R$550 million. This is the net effect of taxes – of the program of unifying the branches.

And this is already included in the numbers that we give you on expenses as guidance for 2010.

Victor Galliano – HSBC

So, coming back to the first question, I didn’t explain myself very clearly. You’re implying, by the guidance you gave on the accrual basis for line, that asset quality is going to improve more quickly in corporates and in SMEs. Is that because you’ve been more conservative in your book in terms of writing down corporates?

Silvio de Carvalho

No.

Victor Galliano – HSBC

Or it’s just a product of the cycle? The returning cycle and improving growth?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Just a reminder, the big companies, and here you are talking about big companies in Brazil. The have to rely more on the capital market to get funding. They are (inaudible) operations. That’s one of the reasons, because if you look at the (established) fees, you will see that our commissions increased within the quarter.

They do have two effects in this line, in big corporate loans. First is, the rate at which the appreciation that they have, that is one of the reasons because of the portfolio decrease. The second, because the demand is more related to the capital markets.

Operator

Your next question comes from Enrique (Narvaho) – Santander Bank.

Enrique Narvaho – Santander Bank

Well, a great part of my questions were already answered. But I would like to know if Itau already to started selling Porto Seguro products on its branch network and if not when it will start and what is your expectation of commission revenues per year with that?

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Well, we have not started as a whole. We are testing some alternatives of how to offer clients the insurance that Porto Seguro is managing. We are creating the channel interaction.

We are testing it and indeed, during this year we will be fully serving clients with Porto Seguro product, which is not the case so far. But this will happen along the year. I’m not sure exactly the date, but we have -- and also because we are testing. In the case of revenues we will have commissions of around 30% of premiums of the insurance that we sell on the branch.

Operator

Ladies and Gentlemen this concludes today’s question and answer session. Mr Setubal at this time you may proceed with your closing statement sir.

Roberto Egydio Setubal

Okay, thank you very much for this first conference call, first year of conference call with Itau Unibanco. I think we had a very good year giving everything that happen during the year. I have to tell you that we are very positive on an integration going very well. We have done a lot of things this year and we will have results of things we have done this year in the coming years.

So we are very positive on the position of the bank in-terms of integration, in-terms of competitiveness and thank you all for being here this morning and afternoon for some of you that are in Europe. Thank you, see you, bye.

Operator

Thank you. That thus concludes the Unibanco – União de Bancos Brasileiros S.A. and Unibanco Holdings S.A. and Banco Itaú Holding Financeira S.A. audio conference for today. Thank you very much for your participation and have a good day. And thank you for using Chorus Call Brazil.

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