Hewlett-Packard Company (NYSE:HPQ)
Q3 2014 Earnings Conference Call
August 20, 2014 05:00 PM ET
Rob Binns - VP, IR
Meg Whitman - President and CEO
Cathie Lesjak - EVP and CFO
Katy Huberty - Morgan Stanley
Toni Sacconaghi - Sanford Bernstein
Rod Hall - JPMorgan
Jim Suva - Citigroup
Benjamin Reitzes - Barclays
Maynard Um - Wells Fargo
Shannon Cross - Cross Research
Steve Milunovich - UBS
Bill Shope - Goldman Sachs
Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets
Sherri Scribner - Deutsche Bank
Keith Bachman - Bank of Montreal
Aaron Rakers - Stifel Nicolaus
Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Third Quarter 2014 Hewlett-Packard Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lesley and I'll be your conference moderator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.
I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today's call, Mr. Rob Binns, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.
Good afternoon. Welcome to our third quarter 2014 earnings conference call, with Meg Whitman, HP's Chief Executive Officer and Cathie Lesjak, HP's Chief Financial Officer. Before handing the call over to Meg, let me remind you that this call is being webcast. A replay of the webcast will be made available shortly after the call for approximately one year. Some information provided during this call may include forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. If the risks or uncertainties ever materialize or the assumptions prove incorrect, the results of HP may differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements.
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I will now turn the call over to Meg.
Thank you, Rob, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. The third quarter of 2014 marks an important milestone in HP’s turnaround. For the first time in three years, the Company delivered top-line revenue growth on a year-over-year basis. Revenue for the Company was $27.6 billion, up 1%. As I said many times before, turnarounds are not linear and we face some tough comparisons in the fourth quarter, but overall I continue to be very encouraged by the progress we're making. In the third quarter, we once again achieved our financial outlook. We delivered $0.89 in diluted non-GAAP net earnings per share at the high end of our previously provided outlook and up $0.03 from the prior year period.
In addition, we achieved very strong cash flow performance, delivering $2.7 billion in free cash flow for the quarter, a good sign of improved operations and financial discipline. Our year-to-date free cash flow now stands at $7.4 billion. As a result our operating company net cash position is $4.9 billion. We also returned $881 million to shareholders in the form of share repurchases and dividends. We're seeing the benefits of the work we have done to get our personal systems and industry standard server business back on track. Our printing supplies business and parts of our software portfolio still face some challenges but HP today is nimbler and better prepared than ever to respond to rapidly changing business conditions. So the leadership teams in both these areas are quickly addressing those challenges.
On the Enterprise Services side of the company, we're making progress. The nature of ES with longer business cycles and lengthy contract periods, make it tough to realize improvements quickly but I believe the changes Mike Nefkens and his team are making are beginning to take hold. I'm confident that Enterprise Services is on the right path to improved performance and profitability.
The third quarter saw the introduction of some significant innovation across HP. At our Discover customer event in June, we launched the world’s first completely liquid cooled supercomputer, HP Apollo. Apollo offers high performance computing while using half the energy of competitive products.
We also introduced an all flash HP 3PAR Storage array. 3PAR is making all flash arrays viable for a range of mainstream enterprises and service providers, driving down cost while also boosting performance and scale. Initial customer reaction has been very positive.
Our software group announced new HP Atalla encryption and data protection solutions that continuously secure an organization’s most sensitive information whether it resides in a data center, an on-promise server or in the cloud. And we rolled out our vision for what we call The Machine, a new computing platform for the Big Data era. The Machine has become a rallying cry across HP and frankly around the industry for the reinvention of how we compute.
Martin Fink has focused the HP lab researchers on memristors, photonics and a new operating system at the heart of this once in a generation project. I believe we're clearly demonstrating what I said many times before, that innovation is alive and well at HP. Over the next several months, you can expect to see the introduction of game changing products in personal systems, servers, cloud and printing, that are going to bring some real excitement to these markets.
Before I turn to business group performance, I want to take a moment to once again acknowledge the contributions of Ralph Whitworth. As all of you know Ralph stepped down last month as Chairman of HP’s Board of Directors. I would like to personally thank Ralph for his tireless efforts to help drive HP’s turnaround and for being a wonderful friend and advisor to me during the past three years. Everyone at HP is thinking about Ralph and we all wish him the very best.
HP’s Board of Directors decided to combine the roles of Chairman and CEO, and I'm honored that they’ve asked me to assume this responsibility. I believe this will help us lead more effectively through the turnaround. Let me reassure everyone that the Board and I remain fervently committed to the strong practices and financial discipline we've put in place during the past three years. The best interests of our investors are always top of mind, with me, and the HP Board.
Now let me turn to our business group performance in the quarter. Overall, results in Q3 were driven by good performance in personal systems, growth in industry standard servers and networking as well as disciplined cost management across all of our businesses.
In personal systems we had an excellent performance, with revenue up 12% from the prior year period. This represents the third successive quarter of revenue growth for personal systems in a market that has stabilized, but nevertheless, continues to contract. We gained market share both year-over-year and sequentially, and we’re seeing growth across all major categories. The Windows XP expiration has contributed to our growth. Although we believe we’re now through much of that benefit. However, our product line up, driven by products like our EliteBook Series and our x360 convertible notebook, is the strongest we’ve had in years and we continue to see customers looking to refresh their aging installed base.
We believe we can continue to gain share in PCs despite the challenges in this market as it consolidates. The personal systems’ team continues to do a great job managing profitability, with third quarter operating profit margins of 4%, up 0.9 points from the prior year period.
In our Printing business, we continue to build on sustained strong margin performance with an operating profit margin of 18.4%, up 2.6 points from the prior year period. Revenue was down 4% year-over-year driven by supplies where declined in toner continue and ink was weaker than expected. We’re honing our approach here and refocusing on go-to-market which gives me confidence that we will improve our performance over the next several quarters.
Total hardware unit shipments declined 5% in the quarter. However, we gained share in both ink and multifunction printers, important categories where we now lead the market. As planned, our disciplined unit placement strategy resulted in declines in single function Mono and low value home printers. But we’re seeing continued momentum in focus areas like managed print services, where we had another strong quarter of signings. This is an important business for us as it supports a strong aftermarket sales opportunity for supplies.
In the Enterprise Group, revenue grew 2% on strength in industry standard servers and networking, offset by declines in business critical systems, Technology Services and storage. In industry standard servers, we saw 9% growth from the prior year period, which represents our fourth consecutive quarter of revenue growth and we expect to take almost a point of share in the second calendar quarter. We’re seeing good early traction with service providers as a result of our partnership with Foxconn to produce a line of cloud optimized servers and we moved aggressively to take advantage of the uncertainty customers feel about the IBM Lenovo transaction. In head to head fights with IBM for deal, we’re seeing clear improvement in win rates; all this, while delivering stable growth margins.
In Business Critical Systems, revenues declined 18%, broadly in line with the market and our expectations. Storage revenue declined 4% year-over-year. However, converged storage was up 9% while traditional storage declined 14%. 3PAR returned to double digit growth, and we continue to gain share in the mid-range. As the market shift increasingly from high end to mid-range, it is pressuring overall market growth but I believe this plays into a sweet spot for HP, which bodes well for us in the long term.
Networking performed well under the new leadership of Antonio Neri, although there remains opportunity for further improvement. Revenue grew 4% from the prior year period and we saw good growth in switching, where we once again outperformed Cisco. We also have made significant progress on our open NFV program. We currently have 15 proof of concept projects with carriers around the world five R&D labs to provide validation of our integrated solutions and strong partnerships with Alcatel Lucent, NEC and Nokia.
In Technology Services, revenue was down 3% from the prior year period. Despite the revenue headwinds in this business from weak hardware volumes in prior periods, we’ve maintained consistent, stable operating profit margin throughout the year and we’re seeing continued adoption of our new services like Proactive Care and Datacenter Care.
We saw positive order growth in Q3, the best performance in nine quarters. In our cloud product offerings, we are making progress with HP Helion. Since launching in May, we’re seeing strong engagement from customers, and we’re extending our share leadership in private cloud. In Q3, HP CloudSystem had another strong quarter with double digit revenue growth. And I'm particularly excited about the significant milestones in cloud we have on the horizon. By the end of October, we expect to deliver commercial versions of HP Helion OpenStack and the HP Helion Development platform, which will help enterprise customers build and deploy OpenStack based clouds.
We will also introduce expanded professional services that leverage HP’s unmatched OpenStack experience to accelerate customers’ cloud implementations. In fact HP is the leading code contributor to the next release of OpenStack, also scheduled for October.
In June, we announced the HP Helion Network with the support of AT&T, British Telecom, Intel, Synapsis and Hong Kong Telecom. Together we are focused on delivering a global public cloud platform that is 100% enterprise focused and open standard based. In the coming months, we expect to launch an HP Helion Network program with an even broader set of partners, committed to building the world’s largest cloud network.
To that end, HP has reached an agreement with China’s leading content distribution network service provider to build and operate community clouds for enterprise customers in China, using HP Helion OpenStack. This will enable HP to meet customers’ fast growing demand for cloud services in one of the world’s fastest growing cloud markets.
In Enterprise Services, revenue was down 6% from the prior year period. As expected, key account revenue run off negatively impacted year-over-year revenue comparisons. Gross margins expanded as a result of continued labor savings and improvement in underperforming accounts, helping ES achieve an operating profit margin of 4.1%, up 0.9 points from the prior year period and up 1.6 points sequentially.
On the sale side, the Enterprise Services team is making progress on aligning their sales engines and we once again saw bookings growth in new logos. Enterprise Services continues to be a work in progress. While the results do not yet reflect all our efforts to strengthen this business, the work of the team as well as the feedback I'm hearing from customers tells me we're on track.
In Software, Robert Youngjohns has hit the ground running in his new role. Robert and his team are making progress on evolving the Software strategy and addressing the go-to-market model. They have a lot of work to do to simplify our portfolio of offerings, streamline our go-to-market and accelerate our web selling capability.
In the quarter, revenue was down 5% from the prior year period, driven by certain go-to-market challenges. These issues impacted revenue in our core focus areas of security and Big Data. Autonomy and Vertica revenue declined over the prior year period and security revenue grew only slightly.
On profitability, software executed well, improving its operating profit by more than 1 percentage point on declining revenue as gross margins improved, coupled with disciplined expense management. SaaS bookings in the IT management business continue to be strong with double-digit growth over the prior year and exciting new products introduced to the market. We are shifting more of our focus on both the portfolio and the operating model to SaaS and subscription based offerings, which may create near term revenue headwinds while setting up the business for the long-term success.
During the quarter, the software team announced a strategic partnership with Hortonworks. The joint commitment will help accelerate the adoption of enterprise Apache Hadoop by deeply integrating the Hortonworks data platform with Haven.
Overall, I am very pleased with the progress we've made. When I look at the way the business is performing, the pipeline of innovation and the daily feedback that I receive from our customers and partners, my confidence in the turnaround grow stronger. HP is quicker to recognize opportunities in our markets and respond to challenges faster and with greater discipline than at any time in recent memory. When challenges appear in any of our businesses, we have a much better sense of what’s happening and surprises are fewer and fighter between.
The adversity of the turnaround is forging a much stronger company, a company focused on results and determined to drive strategy and decisions aligned with a rapidly changing industry. This sense of purpose is motivating our employees to new levels of excellence and a profound commitment to our customers and partners. Against that backdrop, our outlook for non-GAAP diluted net earnings per share for the full year will be $3.70 to $3.74.
Now let me turn it over to Cathie for a closer look at our performance in the quarter. Cathie?
Thanks, Meg. Overall, we're pleased with third quarter results. Performance was driven by very strong revenue growth in personal systems as well as growth in industry standard servers and networking. Performance in Printing, Enterprise Services and Software was mixed with good profitability but weaker than expected top-line results. Total revenue for the quarter was $27.6 billion, up 1% year-over-year as reported and in constant currency.
By region, Americas revenue was $12.3 billion, down 1% year-over-year or flat in constant currency. The U.S. was approximately flat on the back of double-digit growth in personal systems. Brazil was up moderately while other countries in the region declined.
EMEA revenue was $10 billion, up 5% year-over-year or up 1% in constant currency, driven by some recovery in mature western economies, partially offset primarily by significant weakness in Russia. APJ revenue was $5.3 billion, up 1% year-over-year or up 4% in constant currency. We experienced solid growth in China, led by a double-digit increase in the Enterprise group, partially offset by weakness in Japan and India.
Gross margin for the quarter was 24%, up 0.6 points year-over-year and down 0.2 points sequentially. The year-over-year increase was driven by rate improvement across most of the portfolio, partially offset by the strong revenue performance in industry standard servers and personal systems.
Total non-GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $4.3 billion, up 5% year-over-year. The increase in OpEx was primarily driven by increased investments in R&D, as well as real estate gains in the year ago period. Sequentially, OpEx was approximately flat and in line with normal seasonality.
Non-GAAP operating profit was $2.3 billion or 8.5% of revenue, up 2% year-over-year and flat sequentially. We recorded a $145 million of expense on the other income and expense line. With a 22.5% tax rate and a weighted average diluted share count of 1.9 billion shares, we delivered third quarter non-GAAP diluted net earnings per share of $0.89, at the high end of our outlook range.
Third quarter GAAP diluted net earnings per share of $0.52 was below our forecasted range due to a higher than originally estimated restructuring charge of $649 million. However, we expect the total FY14 charge for the incremental restructuring activities to be in line with our prior expectations. GAAP earnings also included $227 million of expense for the amortization of intangible assets.
Turning to the business units, Personal Systems had an excellent quarter across all businesses with revenue up 12% year-over-year to $8.6 billion, gaining share across the board. Commercial sales grew 14% year-over-year with consumer sales up 8% and strength broadly across all of the regions outside of pockets of weakness in Russia and China. Total unit shipments grew approximately 13% year-over-year with growth in both consumer and commercial, and channel inventory remains within acceptable ranges. Even in a competitive pricing environment, Personal Systems achieved solid operating profits of $346 million or 4% of revenue, up 0.9 points year-over-year.
The improvement was driven by volume and some improved pricing as well as operational cost reductions as the team continues to segment and target the right market opportunities as well as streamline and refine supply chain management across the business.
Printing revenue performance was weak, but profitability remains strong, and as Meg said, the team is in the process of making key adjustments to the go-to-market approach. Revenue was $5.6 billion, down 4% year-over-year as declines in both hardware and supplies were partially offset by continued traction in graphics and managed print services.
Commercial hardware revenue was $1.4 billion, flat year-over-year, and consumer hardware revenue was $529 million, down 6%. Total hardware unit shipments declined 5% year-over-year as we continue to focus on selectively placing high value units.
We continue to see success with our new Print business models. In Q2, we ran a series of promotions to move older Ink in the office products through the channel ahead of our upcoming product transition. As a result, older product sales declined in Q3 and drove overall Ink in the office sales lower year-over-year. However, we saw double digit year-over-year growth in our Officejet Pro X and Officejet Pro X Enterprise products and we expect the program overall to grow in fiscal ’14. Our Ink Advantage program also saw continued traction, and we once again grew unit shipments and revenue by double digits year-over-year.
Supplies revenue was $3.7 billion, down 5% over the prior year and made up 65.5% of printing revenue. Both ink and toner were down. Part of the decline was driven by stronger channel buy in during Q3 last year ahead of pricing actions we took on ink, making for a tough year-over-year compare. We also experienced a larger than expected inventory correction from the consolidation of U.S. retailers, which may suggest some softness in demand, but it’s too early to confirm this is a trend. Supplies channel inventory levels declined on a year-over-year basis, but have increased sequentially and are above our target range. We expect to bring inventory levels back within the range in the fourth quarter and anticipate this will pressure our fourth quarter supplies revenue.
Total Printing operating profit was a strong $1 billion, or 18.4% of revenue, up 2.6 points year-over-year due primarily to favorable currency. The Enterprise group had a solid quarter. Total revenue was $6.9 billion, up 2% year-over-year with growth in industry standard servers, networking and converged storage, partially offset by declines in traditional storage, Technology Services and business critical systems.
Operating profit was $966 million, or 14% of revenue, down 1.1 point year-over-year. Good discount discipline in the quarter was more than offset by higher cost of sales and the mix impact of strong industry standard server revenue growth as well as strategic R&D and sales investments.
By business, industry standard server revenue was $3.1 billion, up 9% year-over-year with improvement in all regions. We also experienced higher average unit prices in ISS as a result of strong option attach. Technology Services revenue was $2.1 billion, down 3% year-over-year. The team continues to execute well in this business and we saw a return to positive order growth and our penetration rate is up over the prior year in BCS, storage and networking.
Total storage performance was a bit disappointing, with revenue of $796 million, down 4% year-over-year, driven by a 14% decline in traditional storage. However, converged storage sales grew 9% this quarter, led by double digit growth in 3PAR as customers continue to adopt alternatives to traditional high end enterprise storage arrays. While 3PAR plus XP plus EVA revenue declined 7% year-over-year, we expect another quarter of share gain in the external disk market overall in calendar Q2 ’14. Networking performed well in the quarter. Revenue was $672 million, up 4% year-over-year driven primarily by strength in switching across all regions. Top line growth is expected to result in share gain in calendar Q2 ’14.
Business Critical Systems revenue declined 18% over the prior year period broadly in line with the market to $233 million. High performance computing is core to who we are at HP and while we continue to manage the decline in units, we are also committed to delivering new solutions to meet our customers' mission critical needs and are excited about the products roadmap.
Enterprise Services revenue was $5.6 billion, down 6% year-over-year, driven by continued key account run off as well as incremental weakness in EMEA. By business IT outsourcing revenue was $3.5 billion, down 8% year-over-year and applications and business services revenue was $2.1 billion, down 4%. Operating profit for ES was $228 million or 4.1% of revenue, up 0.9 points year-over-year. The increase was driven by continued cost actions and improvements in underperforming accounts.
Looking forward, we expect meaningful, incremental benefit in the fourth quarter from the workforce restructuring implemented during the third quarter, as well as continued improvements in underperforming accounts. Turning to sales metrics, small and medium sized deals grew and we continue to see strong double digit bookings growth in strategic Enterprise Services or the services for the new style of IT, although lower renewals drove overall signings down.
Turning to Software, while Software revenue declined the team continue to drive solid profitability through gross margin expansion as well as disciplined expense management. As Meg talked about, the software team is focused on evolving the business strategy and go-to-market approach to better leverage the great products we have in the portfolio. Weakness in license revenue of that continued growth in our Software as a Service offering driving total software revenue of $959 million, down 5% year-over-year.
Operating profit remains solid at $203 million or 21.2% of revenue, up 1.1 points year-over-year. License revenue declined 16% year-over-year with weakness across the portfolio. Support revenue was flat over the prior year with growth in security offset by weakness in the rest of the portfolio from past license revenue declines. Professional services revenue declined 3% year-over-year with softer IT management revenue partially offset by growth in security. Our continued focus on profitability in this business impacted our top line performance in the quarter.
SaaS revenue grew 8% year-over-year and we continue to see strong bookings growth in IT management. We launched exciting new products in the quarter including the June release of service anywhere, which we believe positions us very well against the competition and it’s getting good early customer traction.
HP Financial Services revenue was $855 million, down 3% year-over-year. Operating profit was $79 million or 9.2% of revenue. HPFS revenue and operating profit were impacted both on a year-over-year and on the sequential basis by customer billing adjustments but were otherwise in line with expectations. New financing volume grew 14% and return on equity was 14.7%, down 2.6 points year-over-year, entirely due to the billing adjustments.
Turning to cash flow and capital allocations, we had another strong quarter with $3.6 billion in operating cash flow and $2.7 billion in free cash flow. Our cash conversion cycle was eight days in the quarter with year-over-year improvement of one day in both days of inventory and day sales outstanding and an eight day improvement in days payable outstanding.
Favorable payment terms with suppliers, strength in personal systems and the factoring program mentioned last quarter supported the cash conversion cycle improvement. Although we do not typically update our outlook every quarter, I did want to lay out how we think cash flow will end the fiscal year. Our free cash flow is already $7.4 billion year-to-date and I expect that we will exit this year at approximately $9 billion for the full year.
Cash flow remains a priority for us and we continue to execute well. We repurchased 17.5 million shares in the quarter and paid $299 million in dividend. In total we returned approximately $881 million shareholders in Q3. During the quarter we were limited in our ability to purchase shares due to material non-public information. We intend to resume the share repurchase program during Q4 and remain committed to returning 50% of free cash flow to shareholders in fiscal 2014.
Our restructuring program is on track and approximately 36,000 people have exited the company under the program through the end of the third quarter. We expect approximately 41,000 to exit by the end of the fiscal year and a total reduction of 45,000 to 50,000 under this program with the remainder exiting in fiscal 2015. Looking forward to Q4, in personal systems, while the Uttar Pradesh [ph] deal last year will make for a tough compare, we still expect to gain share in the market on the back of a strong product line up and go-to-market approach.
In printing we expect supplies to remain under pressure in the fourth quarter as we bring channel inventory levels back within our target range but we expect to see continued momentum in our innovative new programs across the portfolio. In the Enterprise group, overall we expect the hardware market to remain highly competitive. However, in Storage, we anticipate that the market will continue to shift from the high to the mid-range where we are well positioned.
And in ISS, while the Bing deal from last year will create a tough compare, the team is executing well. In Enterprise Services, given the incremental weakness we saw in Q3 from EMEA, we are updating our full year revenue outlook. We now expect full year revenue to decline 6% to 7% over the prior year. However, given our good progress on cost management and execution, we continue to believe that we can achieve a full year operating margin within the previously provided range of 3.5% to 4.5%.
From a macroeconomic perspective, we expect geopolitical uncertainty to continue, impacting specific territories such as Russia, as well as increased competitive pressures likely in China. With that context, we expect full year fiscal 2014 non-GAAP diluted net earnings per share to be in the range of $3.70 to $3.74. From a GAAP perspective, we expect full year GAAP diluted net earnings per share to be in the range of $2.75 to $2.79.
With that, let’s open it up for questions.
(Operator Instructions) And our first question is from Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Katy Huberty - Morgan Stanley
This was another great quarter of cash flow, but we’re not seeing the EPS upside that I think people are hoping for given higher revenue and more restructuring savings. What levers do you have to show more operating leverage going forward or is it as simple as meeting a revenue recovery that’s not just PC driven?
So Katy, over the longer term, and when I think of that, I think about fiscal ’15, I think one of the real upsides for us that is not revenue directly related and that’s really in our Enterprise Services group. The fact is that we have made really good progress this year and I believe that Q3 is a great proof point at delivering operating profit of 4.1%. The fact that we reconfirmed that we’re going to be in the 3.5% to 4.5% for ’14 is also setting us up really well for ’15.
We are taking the -- we're making the investments that we need to make to get the cost out of that business. We are improving our underperforming contracts very materially and that’s going to set us up very well for ’15 to improve EPS without strong revenue performance.
Katy this is Meg. I would just add one thing is that we have taken out cost apace with a pretty significant revenue decline in ’12, ’13 and up until this quarter we still had declining revenues. And now if revenue stabilizes, we have more cost to take out, there is operational improvement opportunities across the Board. If we can stabilize revenue and I think you'll start to see the EPS uptick that you’re looking for.
Great, thanks for that. Next question please.
Next question is from Toni Sacconaghi with Sanford Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Toni Sacconaghi - Sanford Bernstein
Meg, you just mentioned that if revenues stabilized, you could really start to see some impact and benefit on EPS. I was wondering if you could just try and address that a bit more broadly. This quarter was clearly a lot of disparate revenue growth in the company. PCs grew at 12% and the rest of the company grew at minus 3. So I'm wondering if you can comment around -- I know you don’t like commenting specifically about revenue growth, but particularly around PCs, how do you envision market growth over the next year or two?
And secondly, if we think more broadly about revenue growth, given that 12% may not be sustainable, and given that comparisons are a lot tougher which you noted several times in your prepared remarks, is it really realistic that to base that revenue growth can remain stable over the next year or two?
So let me address PCs first. The PC market, and when I say PC, I mean, right up through tablets, not including obviously smartphones. The PC business is flat to declining slightly. And we think that that will continue. However, what we do believe is we can continue to gain share in a relatively flat market and that’s because we’ve got a terrific product lineup, we’ve got a great go-to-market, our relationships with partners is better than it has ever been.
So while the XP refresh is largely done, we’re seeing good growth and continued growth in the commercial side. And by the way, our consumer business grew 8%, which we haven’t seen that in many-many years. So I feel like the PC business has some win beneath its wings and I think for the foreseeable future, we’ll be in pretty good shape there.
Overall revenue growth for the Company, we still have a portfolio that has some declining businesses, some flat businesses and some growing businesses and as those growing businesses get stronger and the declining businesses, like business critical systems -- that eventually will be a zero there, on the Unix business. And therefore, you’ll start to see accelerating growth. So it’s a portfolio management issue. And again servers grew this year for the first time, 3PAR returned to double digit growth, networking had pretty good growth, graphics, which we don’t talk a bit -- a lot about is now a meaningful growing business. Managed Print services, Security, Strategic Enterprise Services. So we've got real pockets of growth and we've just got to balance out that portfolio to bring ongoing stabilized revenue.
Next question from Rod Hall with JPMorgan.
Rod Hall - JPMorgan
I just had a couple, I wonder, Meg, can you talk a little bit about PC strength regionally? In other words where was it strong? Where was it weaker? I know you guys called out Russia and China as weak points from a macro-perspective but I'm just wondering what you're seeing in the emerging markets for instance versus call out the weakness and just if you give us a little bit more regional color there will be helpful. And then I also wonder, did you guys ever -- are you ever able to quantify the impact of the XP expiration particularly in fiscal Q3? Was it a material impact in fiscal Q3 that we should see rolling off in fiscal Q4? Can you just help us understand how that progresses over next few quarters? Thanks.
Yes, with regard to PC strength regionally, this was broad based across all regions, Americas and EMEA in particular had good quarters. China was a little weaker for us in PCs, Russia was tough for us across the board. But I will say is China for HP as a whole was actually a pretty good performance. Servers did very well, our Printing business did very well there, our Software business did quite well there. So China was only a weak spot in the PC area.
Cathie, do you want to talk about quantifying the XP impact? It’s a little difficult to do. I would say the XP impact was even more in Q2 than it was in Q3. A country like Japan, which is a very significant Microsoft market, they went fast to XP but maybe you can give a little more color.
Sure, so it is very difficult to quantify the impact of XP because you also have the impact from the older aging installed base and the fact of the matter is that people realize that there are certain things they need to do, they need to do on notebook or laptop, say laptops or desktops and so they really need a PC. And so it’s really difficult for us to quantify what’s going on there.
To Meg’s point though about Japan, if you look at kind of the local currency growth year-over-year last quarter, it was in the mid-single digits. Even this quarter it’s up in the high-single digits but it has obviously moved very quickly from XP to Windows. Let me also just give a little bit more color on the regional. So if you look at PCs in Americas, up in local currency double-digits, that was led by very strong performance in the U.S., again double-digit performance. EMEA had double-digit performance growth as well and that was heavily led by the UK with double-digits, Germany double-digits and to a lesser extent Italy and then APJ was up high single-digits. So, we really had broad based strong performance in PCs.
And even in China, commercial PCs did well, consumer not so much but commercial pretty good.
From Jim Suva with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Jim Suva - Citigroup
A question for Meg and then one for Cathie. Meg, you look at your services declined, I think it was little bit concerning year-over-year in EMEA. Is it solely attributable to EMEA, that rapid move incremental, causing you to be more cautious? And then for Cathie, if you can just talk about cash flow, Meg talked about more of a stable revenue that we are hoping for. If that happened your cash flow has been about $9 billion the last two [ph] years in a row. Should we expect some changes to that as I have seen the inventory was down, has helped to offset your cash flow, how should view the cash flow in a more stable environment versus the past few years of revenue decline?
Sure, let me first address your questions on the EMEA weakness in Enterprise Services. That was really pressured by probably three things. The first is that we did see weakness in public sector spending in the Enterprise Services group within EMEA, mostly in Western Europe. We saw some general run off in the region and then we were also impacted by the geopolitical instability in Eastern Europe. And so those were the big impacts in Q3 and we actually believe that we're going to continue to see those pressures in the near term.
Turning cash flow, what we've talked a lot about is that our free cash flow is highly correlated overtime to our non-GAAP net earnings and we continue believe that’s the case once we get to a more stable spot with the cash conversion cycle and so that’s how you should think about our free cash flow going forward.
And I will say the organization deserves a lot of credit for this cash flow performance because remember this is about inventory, this is about SKU and platform management, payables, receivables and making sure we have the least amount of inventory and yet satisfy our customer demands. And it’s been a really significant improvement since the fall of 2011. So we're getting really pretty good at this. So I wouldn’t say you are going to see a decrease beyond eight days of cash conversion cycle. In fact if PCs slowed down a little bit, the cash conversion cycle is going to go up because as you recall we have a negative cash conversion cycle on our PC business.
So to quantify that, the strength in the PC business relative to rest of the portfolio and then also the fact that ES business was weaker; we basically had a cash conversion cycle for PCs which is quite negative, which is good and that is -- and we have higher mix of that and then we had a lower mix the Enterprise Services which has a higher cash conversion cycle. Those need to normalize over time so as you think about the future, think about -- we don’t believe that PCs continue to outgrow the rest of the portfolio and that will put upward pressure on the cash conversion cycle.
Benjamin Reitzes with Barclays, please go ahead.
Benjamin Reitzes - Barclays
Yes, thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask you about cash priorities with cash flow at 9 billion plus for the second straight year. What are you leaning more towards in the upcoming quarters; buybacks, dividends or acquisitions Meg and obviously during the quarter, you had a material non-public event and say you are obviously contemplating potential material non-public event and you’re contemplating obviously those prior major acquisitions. So how are we supposed to just reconcile the cash priorities with such great cash flow? What are you going to do in the future and how should we reconcile that comment as well? Thanks.
Sure. So, our capital allocation strategy remains the same and we have said that we’ll return at least half of our cash flow to shareholders in the form of dividends and repurchase and despite the fact we were not buying shares in the third quarter, we intend to return to buying shares and we believe we’ll meet that commitment by the time we get to the end of ’14. So, the first thing is to just reiterate our capital allocation strategy.
With regard to M&A, now that we have repaired the balance sheet as I have said before, I do think M&A will be a part of our strategy but let me assure you that this will be returns based. It will be focused on only things that we cannot do organically and given the choice, I would rather invest organically this is the heritage of Hewlett-Packard. We do core R&D better than anyone else. So, I think M&A will be a part of our future but I want to reassure you on capital allocation strategy and also the returns based approach we’re taking. And Cathie, I don’t know if you want to comment between dividends and share repurchase.
I think the only thing I would say there and we've said this a few times just that at the current stock valuation, we think that our shares are very attractive and therefore our bias in the mix is to buying back shares.
Maynard Um with Wells Fargo, please go ahead.
Maynard Um - Wells Fargo
I have questions just on the server side and I’m wondering how big the opportunity is for HP as we look forward on the Windows Server 2003 expiration. I think some people have [indiscernible] somewhere in that 10 million to 14 million units of servers that are out there that need to be upgraded which I think is fairly significant but how do we think about -- or I guess how does HP think about that and then relative to that what do you expect from a competitive level dynamic to be? Would you expect that people will get more aggressive in pricing? Will see more pricing pressure as people drive after that opportunity? Thanks.
So, we agree with you. We think that the Windows Server 2003 upgrade is an opportunity for us. There is a significant number of servers in the installed base and they are going to have to upgrade. So there is some similarity between the XP upgrade and the server upgrade and so we’re following the same program from a marketing perspective. So we are organizing ourselves to go after this. It will be a competitive market but I think we’ve got a really good -- we’ve been thoughtful about this and I think we’ve got a really good shot to gain more than our fair share of that refresh.
Let me also add that, we recently announced a new program with Microsoft to actually capture some of this end of life opportunity, that really is around channel optimized IT solutions, the services, the training and the financing as well as the support to help our partners actually drive the growth and capture the opportunity.
Next question from Shannon Cross of Cross Research, please go ahead.
Shannon Cross - Cross Research
I had a question on your printing business. You talked about making adjustments in go-to-market. Can you talk a little bit more about what the issues are, how you’re thinking about what’s going on within the channel and usage in that? And then based on your models, when do you think supplies might grow again? I think inkjet is doing pretty well but clearly laser is under pressure.
Yes, let me step back and give you the perspective on our Printing business. This is one of the great HP businesses. And let me just break it down for you in term so where we are on laser and ink. Laser is a business where we’re recovering from a weaker installed base that goes back a number of years and the planned decline in hardware was very deliberate. We are focusing on high value profitable units that have an annuity that toner that makes sense for us. So we think the laser business, toner we’re seeing some signs of recovery in other areas particularly in Europe as we rehabilitate if you will and upgrade the user base. For example we’re the leader now in MFPs which is quite remarkable since we really weren’t a player in that business three years ago.
Ink, you heard Cathie say in her remarks that ink, what we saw was some consolidation at retail, some channel loading up last year in advance of the price increase. But the real opportunity in ink is ink in the office, to basically take ink up into the small to medium sized enterprise in a more profitable way, in a way that is twice the speed, half the cost per page and more profitable for us. So we think ink will recover over time. We’re bullish on that but we are going to have to correct ink channel inventory as we go into Q4.
But what’s exciting about ink is we have, or exciting about printing, is we’ve got innovative business models, we’ve got some incredibly innovative products and the go-to-market change was simply just dial up or specialists. So when we put printing in personal systems together which by the way I think was absolutely the right thing to do, we've gotten tremendous channel leverage, tremendous go-to-market leverage, we've probably overcorrected to more generalist on account management and partner management and so we’re adding back print specialist in the go-to-market.
And let me address, I think you followed up on that with and when do you expect supplies revenue. And so we expect supplies revenue to stabilize in fiscal ’15. And we’ve got a number of strategic initiatives, most of which you know about that will take -- that are relatively early in their maturity stage and they will take some time to show up. But that’s where we start to see it in fiscal ’15. We did see some softness in demand this quarter and we are actively managing that to see whether or not this is going to be a trend. And then the other data point that I think is important is when you think about supplies mix over the longer term is that it’s probably in the mid-60s type range.
And the only thing I would add is, the other thing we’re excited about is Managed Print Services. And as I said on the call Managed Print Services, first of all it’s a growth part of the market. We had terrific bookings and we get a 100% of the aftermarket on that business. So we feel notwithstanding the results this quarter, we feel really good about the Printing business. We've got some things we need to improve execution on a number of dimensions but we feel really pretty good about this business.
And if I could throw in one more data point and on the TCV and Managed Print Services, up strong double digits year-over-year. So we’re making really good progress on the signings in that space.
Next question is from Steve Milunovich with UBS. Please go ahead.
Steve Milunovich - UBS
Along the same lines, I wonder if you could address the go-to-market challenges in Software, specifically what that means. And then also there is some signs that Europe might be taking a step back economically and you guys are a bit overweight in Europe. Are you concerned about that looking forward?
With regard to go-to-market in Software, we’ve got a very broad Software portfolio. We’ve got Big Data, Security and our IT performance management suite across three major regions and many-many countries. And again we’re doing the adjustment, the specialist, the generalist, which of these businesses need their own sales force, which can use leverage of the global Software sales force and frankly which can use the global HP sales force. So Robert Youngjohns is looking very carefully at market segmentation, the alignment of the sales coverage resources and the opportunity for better attach with the rest of the HP portfolio. So for example, tipping point with networking.
So we’ve got some work to do on our go-to-market and we’re basically doing the same thing. We’ve done a lot of work on go-to-market in EG. Mike Nefkens has done a lot of work on go-to-market on our Enterprise Services and we’re running that same play now in software.
The challenge in software is there is a fundamental market dislocation here which is traditional license is moving to SaaS. And as that happens, it will create a stronger I think longer term revenue stream as an annuity but it will create some dislocation in the near term as that market shift gets underway or continues to be underway.
And to address your question on EMEA, we’re not really seeing that in EMEA. So our results from an EMEA perspective, if you look at the top three countries in the EMEA region, basically Germany, UK&I and France, they’re growing mid to high single digits and in the case of one of them, double digits. Where we are seeing softness in EMEA is in Russia.
Next question is from Bill Shope with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Bill Shope - Goldman Sachs
Could you comment on how gross margins are trending in the industry standard server segment, particularly as the mix continues to shift toward tighter scale and perhaps provide more detail on how your cost structure is evolving with the changing market dynamics? Obviously, you’ve regained plenty of momentum on the market share side but I just wanted to dig a bit more into the margin structure and how you’re thinking about that as well.
Sure. We actually had a good quarter in industry standard service, not just from top line perspective but also from a profitability perspective. And what you see is our AUPs or Average Unit Prices grew significantly double digit year-over-year, high single digits quarter-on-quarter really on the strength of our very strong option attach. We are also doing a really good job of segmenting the market and figuring out where growth is and good profitable growth. And so that’s really helping with margins. We also saw much improved discipline around discounting and we’re driving very strong savings in supply chain. So all of that is really contributing, despite the competitive pricing environment, contributing to improving margins in industry standard server.
Next question is from Amit Daryanani with RBC Capital Markets.
Amit Daryanani - RBC Capital Markets
Just had a question on the free cash flow guidance for the full year for fiscal ‘14. Cathie if my math is right, it sounds like it you had about $1.6 million [ph] of free cash flow in Q4. I am curious with the uptick in net income that you are expecting in Q4, why do you expect the degradation of almost a $1 billion in free cash flow in Q4?
So, we don’t typically update our free cash flow. We went out on a limb again this quarter to do that because we are making such progress and the progress in the free cash flow is really on the strength of the working capital improvement that you saw. We saw the cash conversion cycle at eight days basically improved 10 days year-over-year, improvement across all the metrics but obviously the strongest and better than expected was in the DPO space where we had an eight day improvement. We continue to stay focused on free cash flow and drive that hard and we'll see how we end the year.
Is from Sherri Scribner with Deutsche Bank.
Sherri Scribner - Deutsche Bank
You guys have very strong results in terms of operating margins for the PC business this quarter. I just wanted to get a sense of how sustainable these margins are in the personal systems segment and what type of margins do you expect in this segment going forward? Thanks.
So let’s talk a little bit about what drove the improvement in margins in PCs and then we can talk about sustainability because you can get a read through a bit. So the profitability improvements were driven by obviously the volume, the strength in the top line but also operational cost reductions around warranty, logistics. We also got a bit of mix benefit in the material cost space. Obviously we're continuing to see a very competitive pricing environment.
At its core is that we are doing a great job of segmenting the market and figuring out where the market opportunities are, where you can grow and grow profitably. Make no mistake, we are still very focused on profitable growth. We saw some of that improvement in consumer. Consumer was up 8% year-over-year on the top line and we also saw improving profitability. So that maniacal focus on making sure that we've got a very efficient lean organization as well as the segmentation on where the market opportunities are, I think are sustainable.
I agree with that. I would also say that our product line-up continues to be very strong and in the end you have to lead with great product, whether it’s for the commercial space or the consumer space. So, I feel good about the work we have done around supply chain and all the work that Dan, and his team has done but perhaps most importantly it’s the strength of the product line-up.
Is from Keith Bachman of Bank of Montreal.
Keith Bachman - Bank of Montreal
I wanted to go back to services if I could. In the past HP said that the book-to-bill would be about 1 this year. I know you took revenue guidance down. Is it still possible for the book-to-bill to be 1 and if it is, let’s say it’s about 1, so signings -- that would suggest that signing will be down 6% to 7%? Can you grow revenues in FY'15 with signings down so much and can you grow operating income dollars in Services with signings down so much?
So, as I talked about I think at the very beginning of this call, I do think the opportunity to improve the EPS at the HP level without revenue growth is in fact in the Enterprise Services space where we have a lot more cost that still needs to come out of that organization. So I do think that you can get the EPS improvement that we were talking about. In terms of the book-to-bill, we will talk a lot more about this at our security analyst meeting but we do expect to end the year with a book to bill of approximately 1 in that business.
From Aaron Rakers of Stifel.
Aaron Rakers - Stifel Nicolaus
I want to go back to the free cash flow story a little bit. When we started the year, you guys talked about 20 to 22 days of cash conversion cycle, now we are at eight. I would just like to understand on a normal basis, how you are thinking about that? And then on top of that, can you just quantify the impact of factoring and what that have this quarter and whether you anticipate that to continue going forward?
Sure, let’s start with that. The factoring impact in the quarter over a year-over-year basis was roughly the same as last quarter, one to two days. Sequentially there wasn’t a material impact from factoring in our DSO or in the cash conversion cycle.
In terms of what is the sustainable level of the cash conversion cycle, we definitely believe that we're below our sustainable rate at eight days. We certainly got a big benefit from the mix, the revenue mix on PSG. That was approximately two to three days. And so, as you look at it long term that mix is going to come back down. We do not expect that the PC business or the personal systems business will outgrow the rest of the Company over the long term. And then also just keep in mind that cash flow can swing quarter-to-quarter for DSO and DPO based on the linearity of the business in the quarter and we'll talk a lot more about our working capital and our forecast for '15 at our security analyst meeting.
Great. Well, thank you all for joining us today. I think Cathie and I and the rest of the senior management team continue to be very encouraged by the progress of the turnaround that we are making. You can see it every day we’re out with customers and partners and the customers can see an enormous difference in our team members, in our product, in our innovation and our will to win. And I'm pleased because the organization is much quicker to recognize the opportunities and much quicker to jump on the challenges that inevitably will come our way in a market that’s changing as fast as this. So thanks very much. Progress, more work to do.
Great. Thank you. Thanks everyone and with that we’ll close the call. Thanks very much.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our call for today. Thank you.
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