Reality Check: Raising the Red Flags on YTB International 287 comments
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Add to that a publicly traded company based on a multi-level marketing scheme [MLM]. These are always intriguing because of the potential for Ponzi-scheme type abuses.
Add to that a publicly traded company that hasn't reported its financials in over a year: one that trades on the pink sheets because of lack of adequate financial reporting.
.....One that has recently declared its historical financials for at least 3 prior years invalid and in need of restatement.
......One that, the last time it reported its numbers, had three times the revenues from selling business opportunities than it had from selling its core product.
.....One that guarantees a minimum commission for recruiting even more participants.
.....One whose operators include a minister whose primary accomplishment is building a large church congregation.
... .and finally, one whose compensation program is tied to the promise to issue large blocks of stock at a set price less than 6% of today's market price ($1 a share).
Seems impossible, but its all true.
Multi-level marketing is not illegal. A few multi-level marketing companies have been very successful. But far more collapse because of the potential abuses in the business structure that create the conditions of a Ponzi scheme.
Among the huge red flags swirling around this issue:
What are the real numbers? Is this company even profitable net of its multi-level compensation promises?
What are the legal implications and financial effects of promises of large blocks of below-market stock into an MLM organization st $1 a share?
Would regulators be concerned if MLM participants are being encouraged in any official or unofficial way to form an affinity group to buy the stock ?
And of course --- what has changed for this company in the last two months ?
Cautious Investing To All.
Disclosure: Author is short YTBL.PK.
This article has 287 comments.
I'd love to get in touch with you about YTB and what's going on with them.
Susan
Melrose,Ma.
You make promises and then with your quotas many sturggle and quit because the promise they got has not been fulfilled. Ask the ones struggling if they are making the money they expected to make when they joined? When a company charges that high fee 85% of the money goes only to 3% of the people.
I spoke to one person from YTB and they told me that they do not bother with people who do not have $499.99. That denies people who need to earn extra income the opportunity to put food on their table, save them from perhaps foreclosure on thier house and have to declare bankruptsy. I could go on and on.
What in your estimation constitutes a good company. I think it is where the CEO and President does everyhting to put money in your pocket not take it out of your pocket. Explain this, why are so many leaving your company if it is so good? They are leaving in droves.
Why not get involved in an honest company that you make money with people instead of "OFF" of them. You want to see a good company I'll show you a great company and I'll guaranty you won't find a thing wrong with it in fact it put all the others to shame.
BUYER BEWARE..KEEP YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY IN YOUR POCKET AND JOIN SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT HYPE YOU AND DECEIVE YOU. You've seen the rest, now experience the best and not because I'm involved in it. Rated number one from Wall Street in NY
In order to make a quality decision on a good company you need all the facts with no hype just honesty from the beginning with a CEO and President that does not deceive anyone. THat is what I call helping people. Get in touch with me if interested. I'm dong very well and most of the people in my business came for your GREAT comapany. When you see the difference you too will be sold that it is a great comapny. 508 210 3117 Please ask for Sheila I can sleep very well nights knowing I have truly helped others. May G-d Bless each and everyone of us and align yourself with a company with integrity. That is the most important.
Please send me information on your biz op. My daughter joined YTB without checking out much and is wanting me to join be cause I travel extensively and know a ot of peopel in busieness who book their own travel.
I am interested in the concept but want to make sure I am with the right organization.
Dan
eamil address dangiacoletto@aol.com
I have been contacted by a representative from YTB wanting me to join. I am glad I found your article before I jumped in. I have been scammed before and cannot afford to be again. What is the opportunity you mentioned in your article?
Thanks.
Mr. John Camp
My email is laymanjohn@aol.com
Thanks again.
zirka87@juno.com
Susan
theytb.com
Thanks so much, Kathy @ krazykat@impulse.net
you must also look at those who are quick to jump without doing their research or ensuring that this is the right thing for them. we aren't all meant to be salesmen or travel women. if you are not outgoing, creative, and have an entrepreneur way of thinking than ytb, as well as many other endeavors, are not for you.
i wish you all the best in your values and your way of life, but we have to stop "babying" each other and make each other stand up and make well thought out decisions.
and NO, i am not in YTB...but i might just go ahead and do it!
Whatz up? I just had to comment on this...You are sleeping on YTB. From the top to the bottom this company has a big heart! Do you know who Juliet St. John is? Read about her (Google it if you don't ).
This woman is a primary example of how big hearted this company's founder is and its successors. Yes I have a YTB site-however it took me since November of 2004 until September of 2007 to join!
I wasn't convinced enought at first, but definately the opportunity did intrique my interest-just as it does yours. Just know that everyone that joins this company did not pay that $499.00 often times it was waived, but the bonus structure remained the same. Did you know that this company will pay you $1300.00 after you have personally sponsored 12 RTA's? And thereafter every 6 RTA's will=another $1300.00 payable to you!
Do the MATH
See this world is about MATH & SCIENCE that's it...
If it don't make $$$$ it won't make sense (cents) RIGHT?
Avon, Marykay, Ameriscience, Ameriplan, Amway, Prepaid Legal, and the otherones that may work for some people do not have this type of compensation plan. The stock speaks for itself. Ask yourself, if your stock was rising like this would you open this door of opportunity to everyone for FREE-Hell NO
The Tomer Family has helped so many people in the business with just the moral support alone. All types of people-Rich & Poor.
I am a Christian and YTB is my testimony, I have never felt so accepted by another family-(Home, Church, Associations) in my life. Come to the RED Carpet and see the room filled with smiling faces and experience the joy of this company first hand for yourself and I promise you that the presence of the Lord is in that room.
Tuesdays-Collinsville IL
Please send me information on the biz op you mention. I am looking to get into the travel business and would appreciate any insight you can offer. You can contact me at g_erb@hotmail.com.
I look forward to hearing from you!
Please send me information on the biz op you mention. I am looking to get into the travel business and would appreciate any insight you can offer. You can contact me at g_erb@hotmail.com.
I look forward to hearing from you!
Please send me information on the biz op you mention. I am looking to get into the travel business and would appreciate any insight you can offer. You can contact me at g_erb@hotmail.com.
I look forward to hearing from you!
Our leader has posted $25,000 for anyone to find a better company with a better compensation plan let me know. He left a $20,000 a month program to join ours, that speaks volumes.
What does that tell you? It is not necessary to spend $499.99 to join any program. THERE IS NO PROGRAM WORTH THAT MONEY. IT IS NOT BETTER BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE. I feel that is discrimination. The average person needs to have a program to bless their family financially as well as any of us. I'm so blessed that I found the best program with the best compensation. I AM NOT SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'M IN IT, TRUST ME. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMPANY I'M IN YOU WILL REALIZE WHAT I FOUND.
I INVITE YOU TO ONE OF OUR CONFERENCE CALL TUESDAY MAY 15, 07 9:45 PM ET 6 45 PM PT
507 726 3200 PIN 44023# HEAR OUR PRESIDENT AND CEO LIVE.
YOU LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR CALL ME AT 508 210 3117 I look forward to hearing from you. We have many from YTB who left to join a company because of our honesty, no deception.
YTB (Your Travel Biz) Is on solid footing financially, legally, and the leadership team is second to none -- do your homework! J. Lloyd Tomer is responsible for building an insurance and financial services empire making him well in excess of $1 million dollars per year' yet you say his primary accomplishment is building a large church congregation! Sounds like your trying to create a reality with your articles that will justify your short position in this stock.
Hello All,
I would like to say that I have personally met with several of the leaders of this company (YTB) and have expressed similar concerns about the stock. I think some of you will be surprised by what will come from this company's stock performance. I personally made the decision to get involved with this program based on the answers that I got about the stock's future. I am working with a top leader in this company to position myself and my team members, to exercise the stock option bonus program. If any of you would like to get the inside track on this company and learn how to position yourself for generational wealth with YTB, in this multi-trillion dollar industry I would be willing to converse with you personally or via e-mail -- my full contact information is on my website found at www.travelcashplan.com
To Your Success,
Joshua Immel
Here's some info on our Preident & CEO:
David Manning President/CEO/founder of TraVerus Travel
16 years, Direct /Network Marketing
Highly accomplished field distributor
Nat'l Sales Trainer
Industry Consultant
Compensation plan designer Specialist
17 years Easter Seals Telethon TV host
12 years Int'l Sports promoter
setting 2 world attendance records
Acclaimed motivational public speaker
Listen to him on the 9:45 call.
Here's my site where you can check it out: www.travelworldwidemov...
Call me
Makedah Sari
866-915-3603 if you are interested in the opportunity
or log into WIldBeanTravel, click on Financial INdependence and JOIN NOW!!
Rick
www.ytsource.com
What I'm hearing is that no sooner do some people sign up many others are dropping out for one reason or another. One of the reasons is it's just too much and because it's all hype. Check us out at: www.fantasyvacations.i...
Then get back to me.
Susan
781-665-0710 ET
I don't really understand what you just wrote? YTB is a great company and we are talking to several people that are doing well in the business. There are tons of MLM travel companies but I don't think any compare to ytb.
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
314-265-9732
receving nice checks on commison on my travel booking$$$$$$$$$$ and i am helping others do the same my website is maturanatravelsolution... call me and we can help you too 813 882 8926
thanks, mike
Susan
781-665-0710
Have you ever thought of working for a living instead of talking crap about other companies and the people in them.It looks like you visit this blog often to recruit instead of other sources..I looked at your site real quick not to judge with out knowing what I am talking about and it looks like a four year old designed it!! Get a life and work for your money instead of praying on others that are trying to do well for themselves..You are not trying to help anyone but yourself you make it sound like you are doing a service..all you are trying to do is make an override..Tim
There is no comparison because you are not comparing apples to apples. When you check out YTB with the program that I have been in for now 4 months there is no absolutely no comparison because we have the Best there is in the industry barring none. Please be advise it is not the BEST because I'm in it. I had many nd I did my due diligence, pulled ours apart with a fine tooth comb before I would joinany company and my program was given a clean bill of health...sorry to say I can't say that about YTB. I had a few experts on compensation plans and again we came out on TOP. No one so far has claimed the $25,000 challenge, if anyone can find a better company with a better pay plan. What does that say about my program? To me it tells me one thing and one thing only that we have the cream of the crop. Needless to say we have many people jumping ship over to us. Our company is where the average person who never made any money in another program is earning a wonderful steady income. I'm so thankful for finding the right program at the right time. Someone is watching over me from above.
Thank you for your time and if you are interested in the best program on the planet here is how to reach me. Please folks save your money because your entrance fee is absurd.
Need more information dial 508 210 3117 or email me at Heartprints143@yahoo.c... The TRUTH shall set you FREE!!!! BTW we do not hype anyone we just state the TRUE facts, our company does not need to be hyped it is much too good to do that. We don't have to convince or twist their arms to join. Once they see our comp. plan they are sold and they join immediately. You think I'm kidding? Find out for yourself. We just brought a football player from the Pittsburgh Steelers. We have John O' Hurley, host of Family Feud and played J. Peterman on Seinfeld, Elaine's boss, also John Daley, journalist. We will have our own cruise ship, 5 star resort and our own Island.
2 July 2007 – Florida after YTB reps! The next BurnLounge in FTC eyes? The FTC has been letting states take the lead. Then they often follow up nationally with the evidence from the State hit (Burn Lounge). The greater Los Angeles Better Business Bureau listed YTB as a Pyramid Scheme for over 6 months now. In the old days (before terrorist attacks) the FTC would often follow up the LA BBB listing in about six months with court action. Today the Department of Justice who often provides lawyers for the FTC is tied up with terrorism related cases. The WatchDog thinks that the clock is ticking on YTB.
www.mlmwatchdog.com/py...
Let it be known here and now you can't touch us with what you have sorry to say but true. When you see what we offer you will agree with us as many of your former YTB people have said we are the best an dnow they are with us. We have no worries..we are not plastered either all over the Internet like you are.. Any way we want people with integrity and the truth not people who rob from the poor and give to the rich like you do. Good luck to you in all your present and future endeavorsl. The cream always rises to the top..We shall see how wonderful you truly are when you are no longer a company and that is happening as I type.
I'm just trying to protect all of you from future harm and to learn the comparisons. You make money OFF people we make money WITH them big huge difference. It amazes me how you all fall for all the hype in your company. We don't need to hype anything.
Good luck
508 210 3117 if you care to check us out. No hard feelings just want you to know the truth and then it will set you all free. Make more money than you ever dreamed possible and residual built in from the moment you join. You don't have it.
Traverus Travel is the travel company that is going to take over the travel industry. Unlike most of the other travel companies that charge $500-$2000+ to join and have stringent qualifications. Traverus is an affordable $119.95 to join and one personal sale gets you a position in the 3x9 matrix. I was the 2399th person in company a few weeks ago and there are now over 4800. Two sales in 7 days gets you upgraded to a certified travel agent position normally $399. Traverus is not a card mill you must take a 5 hour course either online or on a cruise to get your travel agent card. Traverus is not a start up they are a 4 year old established travel company that started the direct sales force on November 1, 2006. They have a great reputation and have JOhn O Hurley from Seinfeld as their celebrity spokesperson. The comp plan is the best I have ever seen and pays back 90% of the commissions to the agents. You also make up to 70% commission on booking travel at your website as a CTA. Great leadership calls everyday to bring people to explain the program.
my site is www.fantasyvacations.i... the recorded call is 1-641-985-5999 ext 21694. My phone is 781-665-0710 email is suema2006@gmail.com
Susan
I just received my ID Card this week and am looking forward to working with the cruise lines and other travel entities directly.
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
www.cliftontravelgroup...
it does not matter what these negative people are saying, because people are going to leave and join companies for different reasons mainly I left because Traverus did not pay for anything, I found the free medical and life insurance plus the million dollar bonus and bonus all the way up very attractive.
Traverus is too busy paying Rich Actors then paying their distributors, but that was just my exerpience someone else may love it, this is why we all have our own choices to make.
Read more about YTB before following someone on here then make the choice right for you.
I've been in Traverus since mid March and I have never had to pay more than the joining fee and because I've been bringing others in all of the time have never had to pay the monthly fee. I've been paid on time and each week my checks have been larger. So could it be that you haven't had anyone signup under you to make any money. They pay the actors because they are also distributors just like I am. You couldn't possibly have all of the information on Traverus or have been on many if any of the conference calls, as that's so important to any business. Traverus provides all the training that you need to succeed and it's up to you what you do with it. I wish you all the success with YTB! If by some chance you should change your mind again and want to rejoin Traverus, I'm here for you. Susan suema2006@gmail.com
Also any company that has a large fee to join 85% of that money goes to only 3% of the people and the ones not at top struggle.
What does one have to do to earn the million dollar bonus. H ow many hours does it take, if not years and how may associates struggle in your organization. How long are you in your company and how many are earning significant income to earn back the their investment in your company? What do they have to do to earn back their initial investment, how many associates does that take?
Who was your sponsor in TraVerus and how long were you an associate?
I wish you well with all present and future endeavors. I have some inside information you don't want to hear and I will not post it here.
The person who started this original post here has some information about YTB and that is why the RED FLAG was raised, wouldn't you agree? Why else would whomever post this here. I believe it is to protect and WARN people here that things are not as they seem.
Keep in mind we have over 500 in our business you are talking about one person.hmmm Sorry, I'm not impressed. You have to come up with a better explanation. Sorry I do not buy your theory..
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
Why are you afraid to post the Traverus comp plan?
www.traverus.net www.traverus.biz
recorded message 646 222 0102
I refuse to leave anyone behind. Listen to an oppty call & hear the TRUTH!!! instantTeleseminar.com...
I made my choice to be financially independent-YOU CAN DO THE SAME
Angy, what makes you think I'm angry??? The fact that you don't know anyone who left YTB doesn't mean many have not left. I'm not making any of the up. I can tell you many and that is more than should if your company is as good as you try to hype. NOT NECESSARY EVER TO HYPE ANY COMPNAY..THEIR PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..their compensation speaks for itself.
With knowledge, integrity, truth and a company that cares about its members and has a company where the average person can now make some decent money not struggle in order to my YTB quotas. There is never any reason to hype...also we do not discriminate and make it affordable for everyone. Many do not have the money to join your company to make money. Yes you have your free position and how does one make any money that way??
I'm not angry just trying to PROTECT people from being taken, nothing more.
I help people become successful and they appreciate everything I do and the company does.
I've said it before, a person unable to afford your entrance fee still needs/wants to increase their income and put food on their table too. We do not rob from the poor and give to the rich. People who are looking for an opportunity don't have your entrance fee, plain and simple.
Good Luck Cliff. I'm glad you think it is funny. This is serious business not something to pick fun at.
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
www.cliftontravelgroup...
You must be kidding, join your team..never in a Trillion years. I'd never take money from the poor and give it to the rich, not my style at all. Equal opportunities for all.
When YTB folds give me a call if you still want to be in a travel program. You don't know what a great company is, I do. I'm not saying it because I'm in it or want to bring you into my program..I just know what I have and I know what you have and there is no comparison, none.
I wish you the best with YTB and all the people who aren't making any money in it and are struggling please spare me, I know many as I posted before who have left your GREAT company. If you call YTB great ours is the BEST on the planet..and I can prove it too. Please stay with YTB because in your eyes it is GREAT and you need to follow your conscience.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE A GOOD COMPANY IT MEANS NOTHING UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT AND I CAN.
We do not have to go public and sell stock. WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY. WE DO NOT NEED TO SELL STOCK. We do not need money $$$$$$$$$$$$$ WE HAVE PLENTY OF IT. WE WILL HAVE SOON OUR OWN 2. 4 MILES OF OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY OF OUR OWN. OUR OWN CRUISE SHIP AND OUR OWN 5 STAR RESORT WITH OUR NAME ON IT. DON'T BE MISLED, DON'T LET THE HYPE OF OTHER COMPANIES GET TO YOU. DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH A COMPANY THAT CHARGES $499.99 IT ISN'T BETTER BECAUSE THEY CHARGE MORE. WHY DO I POST HERE, TO PROTECT AS MANY PEOPLE AS I POSSIBLY CAN TO GET INVOLVED WITH AN A NUMBER ONE COMPANY FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST A FEW WHO CAN AFFORD $499.99. SHAME ON YOU FOR ILLIMINATING THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD $499.99. EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE PEOPLE. WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO. WE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD AND LET THE AVERAGE PERSON TO MAKE SOME GREAT MONEY.
When you think you have the BEST OR A GOOD company you don't know wHAT a good/best company REALLY IS ..you just don't get it. I WILL PROVE TO ANYONE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST. WHEN PEOPLE JUMP SHIP TO US IT TELLS US VOLUMES. PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID THEY KNOW THE BEST WHEN THEY ARE INTRODUCED TO IT, WE ARE THE BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. GET IN TOUCH WITH ME AND I'LL PROVE IT TO ANYONE THAT WE ARE THE BEST. LET'S COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES FOLKS..WHERE THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN MAKE SOME DECENT MONEY NOT STUGGLE AND TELL THEM THEY CAN MAKE LARGE SUMS OF MONEY AND THOSE PEOPLE NEVER DO IT ONLY A FEW DO AND THEY HAVE TO WORK THEIR TAILS OFF. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH ME TO PROVE TO YOU WHAT WE HAVE. THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU HAVE. 508 210 3117 ASK FOR SHEILA
First of all this rhetoric in about stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich is preposterous. You can't start any viable business for $500 that include a website that books flights, cruises, car rentals, hotels, sporting events, concert tickets, bridal registry, send flowers and now sells new cars! Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about!! I've been a business owner for many years and I've never seen any business like this one. In my first 4 weeks I made over $2000. Most of that was from recruiting people but that was their choice. They saw the opportunity and wanted to be a part of it. The smartest aspect of this business is the recruiting since it will set you up for a huge residual income when everyone starts booking travel. It's like planting seeds for the future and the harvest will be in the months and years to come. If you can't afford $500 for everything that YTB offers, then by all means you should go do something else. YTB is not interested in taking someone's last $500 only to have them sit around and do nothing. YTB offers them the chance to really make a difference in their financial future if they are willing to follow their training methods. One of my close friends just booked travel from LAX to Italy in September, he saved $600 over Travelocity. He was so ecstatic that he signed up and booked it on his own site. I believe they are all good and there is enough business to go around for everyone. Nobody has all the best features with any given company, it's really about what works for you. I don't care who you are attached to, if you sit around on your ass and don't make the phone calls, don't get out and talk to people you aren't gonna' make any money period! As for me I love YTB and so does my team. I trust that the powers that be will do the right things to insure YTB's success in the years to come
The Critical spirit and the bashing is really getting old. I hope you can refrain and maybe just start praying for us that someone like me can find a great company and wonderful people to work with.
I am sincerely trying to read these different opinions and learn from others and their experiences. I wish the very best for them all. (That includes you) But ....Please !!! Stop all this negative bashing and tearing down someone else's company and them as an individual.
Sorry to be so long-winded, but I am truly sincere. May God Bless us all, to become encouragers.
My Name is Louis (Thanks)
The Critical spirit and the bashing is really getting old. I hope you can refrain and maybe just start praying for us that someone like me can find a great company and wonderful people to work with.
I am sincerely trying to read these different opinions and learn from others and their experiences. I wish the very best for them all. (That includes you) But ....Please !!! Stop all this negative bashing and tearing down someone else's company and them as an individual.
Sorry to be so long-winded, but I am truly sincere. May God Bless us all, to become encouragers.
My Name is Louis (Thanks)
Thanks for your comments, I really appreciate them. All I ask is this, nothing more, no obligation. Just let me show you and you decide what is best for you and your team. You 'll never know if you don't take a look. We don't convince anyone, don't hype anyone because it is just too good. I'm happy you love TYB I really think it's admirable and that is wonderful how you feel. Now I'd like to show you something if I many. A mind is like a parachute it ony functions when it is OPEN. I'm not asking you to do a thing, just let me show YOU something you many not be aware of. Not asking you to leave YTB at all..just to see something else.
I look forward to hearing from you. If I can be any help to you please get in touch. 508 210 3117 or Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
Susan
781-665-0710
Let it also be known here and now John O' Hurley our spokesperson does not get paid like most other companise who buy their spokes person. WE do not and will not. The truth shall set you free. Chris take a good hard look at what you are selling. I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you too.
Ladies and Gentlemen..the facts and comparisons DO NOT LIE. COMPARE BEFORE YOU LEAP INTO SOMETHING YOU WILL BE SORRY FOR. HYPE IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, JUST HYPE. I sleep very well at night knowing that the average person who never made moeny in any other company can and does make money in what I'm involved in. The choice and ball is strictly in your court. I wish all of you the very best in present and future endeavors. G-d Bless. YTB is not a travel company it is a network marketing company, huge difference. When you care to have the very best you seek out the best, it is just that simple. Funny a gentleman hung up the phone on me because he was not interested in ANYONE who did not have $499.99 to join YTB..how sad is that? 508 210 3117 call me anytime and I'll show the best of you what we have and then you decide. To your success.
Rick
April and May 2007
A. In April 2007, 6,468 Reps who were not PowerTeam Leaders received commission checks totaling $541,276.02, an average of $83.71 per Rep. B. In May 2007, 7,729 Reps who were not PowerTeam Leaders received commission checks totaling $722,471.85, an average of $93.48 per Rep.
Amount Reps
$1 to $50 4,452
$50.01 to $100 1,030
$100.01 to $200 589
$200.01 to $500 302
$500.01 to $1,000 58
$1,000.01 to $2,500 33
$2,500.01 to $5,000 4
$5,000.01 to $10,000 9
Amount Reps
$1 to $50 5,258
$50.01 to $100 1,235
$100.01 to $200 767
$200.01 to $500 386
$500.01 to $1,000 45
$1,000.01 to $2,500 30
$2,500.01 to $5,000 6
$5,000.01 to $10,000 1
Over $10,000 1
A. In April 2007, 6,765 Reps who were PowerTeam Leaders received commission checks totaling $5,718,673.69, an average of $845.33 per Rep. B. In May 2007, 5,380 Reps who were PowerTeam Leaders received commission checks totaling $6,723,426.64, an average of $1,249.71 per Rep.
Amount Reps
$1 to $50 2,707
$50.01 to $100 1,033
$100.01 to $200 843
$200.01 to $500 768
$500.01 to $1,000 200
$1,000.01 to $2,500 780
$2,500.01 to $5,000 230
$5,000.01 to $10,000 99
Over $10,000 103
Amount Reps
$1 to $50 809
$50.01 to $100 1,162
$100.01 to $200 872
$200.01 to $500 915
$500.01 to $1,000 247
$1,000.01 to $2,500 868
$2,500.01 to $5,000 285
$5,000.01 to $10,000 85
Over $10,000 137
Includes 94 YTB Directors receiving PowerTeam commissions, an average of $22,108.82 per Director. Includes 94 YTB Directors receiving PowerTeam commissions, an average of $23,798.22 per Director.
C. Leadership($1,000) and Dream ($10,000) Bonuses paid in April and May of 2006 and of 2007 and year to date in 2006 and 2007 are as follows. (Leadership and Dream bonuses are included in PowerTeam Leader commissions above).
Date $1,000 Leadership Bonus $10,000 Dream Bonus
April 2006 560 0
April 2007 1,430 19
May 2006 450 8
May 2007 1,248 23
2006 Jan-May YTD 2,193 5
2007 Jan-May YTD 8,055 121
Note: All YTB Reps, including PowerTeam Leaders, have permanent positions with no quotas, fees or required purchases. Rep commissions are paid exclusively on the enrollment of new Referring Travel Agents (RTAs) and on their monthly license fees. Approximately 170,000 persons have become YTB Reps since the inception of the company in February 2001. The number of “active” Reps, those who have received commission checks during the past twelve months, totaled 39,481 at May 31, 2007.
9 July 2007 - Doing his job, Thayer Lindauer, legal counsel for Your Travel business (YTB).......... www.mlmwatchdog.com/py...
Please tell me why anyone would want to JOIN a company being sued that has 78% drop out???
Yes, 78% drop out. YTB is NOT a TRAVEL COMPANY it is a network marketing company.
The owner sold 1 million dollars worth of shares to buy back his house. That is no one I'd like to be involved with, not sure about you. THE PEOPLE ON THE TOP ARE MAKING ALL YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PART WITH YOUR MONEY SO FAST AT $500.00. 5 OR MORE OF YOUR TOP LEADERS ARE JUMPING SHIP..WHY? DO YOU ALL HAVE BLINDERS ON? YOU FALL FOR ALL THE NONSENSE? I know a few people also who LOVED YTB that is until they saw the difference and ran so fast away from YTB because they now realized it was not as great as the thought it was, THAT THEY WERE LED TO BELIEVE IT WAS. I would like to know on your team, how many are not sponsoring because of the high entrance fee? That alone should tell you something. They changed the compensation plan 3 times when in their bill of rights it says they never will do that. It is a recrUITING business and that is why they are being sued. They sure do not have a clean slate. I like making money with people, sorry folks I do not like making money off of PEOPLE. Take off the blinders, check out an honest company you can TRUST that does not need to hype people and take $500.00 hard earned money that people need to survive with. Average people need to be making money and that is what we have for the average person to be able to make some great money and RIGHT AWAY not have to wait til they find the person willing to part with $500.00 only to have to wait and wait til they can find another willing to part with $500. 78% drop out..NO THANKS. I'D MUCH RATHER GIVE MY MONEY TO CHARITY TO HELP OTHERS LESS FORTUNATE, CHANGE THE WORLD ONE PERSON AT A TIME AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PROSPER AND EARN SOON AFTER JOINING. What are you waiting for..check out the BEST leave the rest. You'll NEVER know until you do that.
Wishing you all health, happiness and success. Let me show you the way.. the right way. 508 210 3117 or Heartprints143@yahoo.c... I look forward to hearing from you.
SEEK OUT THE DIFFERENCE PLEASE BEFORE YOU SAY HOW GREAT SOMETHING IS. YOU CAN ALL LOVE YTB TIL YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE BEST COMPANY IN THE WOLD IS.
Just and advice don't waist your time defending or saying bad things about any other company. Who's sold is sold, no more no less. You're not going to convince them to leave and join yours. It's not going to happen. Now, from time to time I go to other business opportunity meetings to see what's new and also to maximize my inactive distributors list. Meaning that if find the right opportunity that doesn't affect my own company (same products) I might join since not all the opportunities are for everybody. I'm just trying to be a true open minded mlm business man.
When I went to the YTB I was very interested because I travel at least 12 times a year promoting my business. So, the leader was very impressed with me also and of course tried to convince me that YTB is the best. Of course, for me my biz is the best, but in the best interest of me maximizing my inactive distributor list and making a few more bucks I offer this to him. I'll sing up with YTB and work with the 300 good leads that already bought something from me if he (the YTB leader) find my first 6 people. That means that the very first person I'll sponsor will be in my power line or power group therefore maximizing my profits. It's all about business. For some reason he got offended, he didn't agree and accused my of being selfish and told me that YTB was better that my company. I can go on but let it rest assure that like I said before my biz op is better than yours like for you yours is better than mine. All I wanted was to do a little biz transaction. If YTB is as good as he said it is then sacrificing 6 people for a possibly 100 to 200 new reps. (I can 't guarantee that my 300 + inactive distributors will join but I feel that it wasn't a bad deal.) In conclusion I think this, just my opinion, though. Yes, you have to be loyal to your biz, only the loyal will make it but at the same time you need to be open minded and see that opportunity will knock in different ways. If you are doing YTB and feel like my deal is a good one please contact me. ralph_r_espinosa@yahoo... Please, I have purchase the POP form yahoo and this go to my outlook. Do not put me in auto responders, do not send me YTB deals or any other company for that matter. If your proposal is good I'll be in contact with you. Otherwise I wish you luck with YTB or whatever company you're working at.
Ralph Espinosa
President, World Internet Network, LLC
What you were proposing sounded unethical and dishonest. No wonder, the leader got offended. I hope you are not conducting your business that way. I don't believe "it's all about business." Remember why Enron collapsed? There were a lot of leaders who thought about "business" first before thinking that there are people who are working for that business. I think business leaders should hold themselves up to the highest standard and look out for the people who works in that business. I don't understand why you would even think about having the YTB leader sacrifice six people to get a good deal from you. Does that mean that if you see a good deal, you would be willing to sacrifice six of your people. You wanted him to find you six people to "maximize your profits?" I don't know where you learned your business ethics.
Not to mention that you were trying to trade your inactive distributors list...you being the president of a company, trying to make money of those people you were supposed to help and motivate. I don't know, but it has a bad smell to it. I wouldn't want to be involved with somebody with that kind of disposition. I hope your people succeed. I am just doubtful of your values and integrity as a leader.
I apologize, I do not mean to be judgemental. But that is how it appears to me.
Good Luck to your business and I hope it survive. I just worry about your people.
--Concerned and Alarmed
I don't want to get into all of the "mine is better than yours" arguments. All I want to say is, I've been in YTB for 18 months and was never able to get out of my "first team" to get to my "power team" because the $500 was too much for a lot of people. I got into this new company that Heartprints is talking about and all I can tell you is i've made more money in the last month with this company than I made in the 18 months with YTB. I base my decisions on the "proof is in the pudding" and which one did I personally find easier to build. Also my upline from YTB is finding about a 50-70% drop out from YTB and a lot are, in fact, switching over. This new company is much less expensive to join and the residual is amazing! Plus there are about 6 other ways to get paid. Anyone wanting more info please email me at wizzardofahs@hotmail.c... and i'll lay it all out for you. Let me know in your email and i'll send you the link to a short video that will blow your mind! Regardless of which company you swear by, at least take the time to check out your "competition" and make a truly informed decision. Have a great day all! Best of luck in all you do!
DT
Well, then I suppose you can sell ice to the eskimos, can't you. The point of my post was to explain how much easier my new business (TraVerus) is compared to YTB. You see, the great thing about Network Marketing is that you DON'T have to be a Sales Person to be able to create a large successful downline. You see, for my NOT being a Sales Person such as you, I've been able to create a much more successful business with TraVerus than I could with YTB. That just goes to prove how easy it is for anyone to be successful in TraVerus. I listen to 2 of my old YTB upline that switched to TraVerus tell me how more and more of their YTB upline are quitting while they keep getting larger and larger with TraVerus.
I'll say it again like my previous post. I'm not attacking anyone and I'm not saying mine is necessarily better or worse than what anyone else is doing. I'm talking about what it is doing for ME! 18 months is YTB with 5 in my downline (and as for sales ability, I booked $40,000 in retail travel.), and 1 1/2 months with Traverus and officially 53 people in my downline. Please don't talk to me about what you are "on track" to do. Talk reality. If I were to talk about "on track" then I guess I'll have 1000 people in my downline by September. I only talk in real terms, not what I think I'm going to do. Those of you looking for a business where you don't NEED to be a salesperson, check out traverusmovie.com and get back to me at tripsnmore.com and together we'll build an empire! Good luck in all you strive for!
I figured some of you would like to read it!
Rick
Your Travel Biz
YTB
Listen folks who are looking for a secure place to hang your hat. We have over 500 people from YTB but YTB DOES NOT have ANY of us in yours. That tells me volumes, you know it and we all know it. I've talked to many who dropped out because your drop out rate is 78%. That tells me something is wrong. How many do you think are willing to part with the high price of joining at the rate of $499.95.. What does one get for that kind of money.. promises that people buy into and then are so sorry. I have them on my phone every day, my phone rings off the wall with people who made nothing, lost their shirt in fact and bought YOUR stocks and lost so much money in that. I wouldn't watch CNN if you paid me. They are the worst reporting ever.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
You want to see a great program just get in touch with me and I'll show you. I did not post here to gain your people ever. I'm doing very well. Cost to join our program the cost of a good pair of shoes. My main purpose is to save people SAVE their hard earned money and don't throw it away. No company is worth that kind of money. I had a gentleman hang up on me on the phone saying if one hasn't got $500.00 I won't even talk to them. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. It tells me one thing and one thing only, NO COMPASSION for others. I'm a humanitarian, everyone deserves an EQUAL opportunity to earn extra income...part time or full time.
Please get in touch with me so I can show you so you can compare. I won't convince anyone of anything the facts tell the truth.
I don't want any ill feelings at all..JUST SAVE YOUR MONEY PLEASE.
suema2006@gmail.com
781-665-0710
I'll show you the differences, I'll show you where the average person can make money right away. No experience necessary. People who never made money before in their lives are makng it with a true and honest program. We have the best comp. plan in the Industry... proven, not just saying it, I can prove it.
Thank you for your time, keep your money in your pocket folks. Don't be taken.
This company has/is changing lives if you work it. Be smart and keep building and save your checks/money however you want to put it.. But we all know stocks are risky, furthermore you make money upfront so the return on your investment is awesome. Only if you follow the model but if you re-create the wheel then O-Well you will have some SOB stories like some of you.. LOL..
When a company goes public and sells stock it only means one thing..THEY NEED MONEY!
Who buys the stock..of course the people involved in the company selling the stock. When 1 million shares are sold to by the owner to buy a building, there is something wrong. Think about the writer of the original article here. If there were no RED FLAG none of us would be here posting, correct or not?
I'm only making a suggestion to just take a look and check out your competition, nothing more. Competition is great, it separates the men from the boys.
Anyone have this answer, I'm just curious? Why would approx. over 500 people jump over to another company if it the company they were with is so GREAT? THERE IS A REASON FOR IT WOULDN'T YOU SAY? You do not have anyone in our company going to yours..does that tell you something or not? What am I missing here? You have nothing to lose, everything to gain if it is your choice to just check it out.
If you dare to compare I'd like to show you, no obligation ever. You'll never know if you don't check it out...right or not?
invest IN YOURSELF AND SEE THE DIFFERENCES..DARE TO COMPARE! The proof is in the fact that so many have left your company, why? Why do you think?
I'd like to say thank you to all of you who posted here and wish you the success you deserve whatever company you are involved with. Let it be known here and now that I'm only watching out for thou fellow man/woman, believe it or not, your choice.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
Curious Traveller
The more Travel Agents there are the more buying power, the more travel cruises, vacations packages, air, condo rentals, car rentals, hotels etc booking more business. The more business we drive into the vendors/consolidators the lower the price. It is a very diversified industry. We also get discounts at resorts when we buy from the hotel gift shops etc keeping in mind they do not have to give a discounts but they do very often.
For More information contact me Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
Folks, did you know 85% of that money goes to only 3% of the people, the top earners, what does that tell you.
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Folks ours is $119.95. How many people do you think you could get with that huge difference? You know the answer. We make money "with" people not "off" people. To not allow the average person a chance to earn income doesn't stand a chance with me..now you do what you think is righ , join the company you desire, your choice. Ground floor is where you want to be and not in a company that is going on 7 years old. Imagine what you would be worth if you were a founder in Amway, Mary Kay, Avon etc.
We care about people and we make it feasible for the average person who never made any money in network marketing to earn money with our company. Don't get taken please, put your money back in your pocket. Check us and compare and you will see the differences, your choice where you'd like to be.
You want to be careful with these companies who charge exorbitant up front joining fees. You don't want to make the top people wealthy now do you?
You want to fall for "hype" by all means go right ahead, be my guest. Keep in mind you want to be a CTA and we have that position unlike other companies.
At any rate whatever you decide is best for you I wish you success and I mean that sincerely.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
When did I hang up on you? You can join ytb for free as an independent Rep. I would have never done that....
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
How soon you forget you hung up on both of us. We were on a 3 way call with you and when we mentioned the fee your company charges you indeed hung up on us..You simply stated you don't talk to ANYONE who does not have $499.99 and hung up. . There were the 2 of us not just one on the call. You'd never do that you say, interesting you say that but you did indeed hang up on us.
. We were interested in your thoughts and we asked very nicely questions you were not willing to answer. I will not discuss this any further. You did not have the decency even to apologize. So be it.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
suema2006@gmail.com
781-665-0710
I work with a group of people and my job is purely the internet marketing aspect. I can assure you that nobody hung up on you and the fact that you mention, "I will no discuss this any further," makes it sound like you are not telling the truth. If you were hung up on, I do apologize. We talk with well over 20 people each day on the phone and reply to several emails. I can't imagine my associate hung up on you after stating we do not talk with anyone that does not have $499.99 to sign up. We have put several people in the business as independent reps which is a free signup and we spent time with these people. Also, we help RTA's that aren't even in our downline.
Once again, I do apologize if this indeed happend.
Thanks
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
314-265-9732
There were two of us on the call to you personally. You told us quote..if someone does not have $499.99 I do not want to talk to them..click..and you hung up.
That speaks volumes about you and your integrity. You mentioned nothing about joining for free. The fact I do not want to discuss it further is because I didn't want a bigger conflict than was already stated. I always tell the truth because I do not believe in any hype or lies. There is no need of it. I have no reason what-so-ever to lie. My integrity is worth much more than any company or money or anything else for that matter. I have an excellent reputation and I protect and uphold it. I can sleep very well at night knowing I have not lied to anyone. By the way, adults do not hang up on people no matter what. We were not rude in any way, we were just asking some questions.
I treat people the way in which I wish to be treated. I also would never do anything to hurt anyone. I'm a humanitarian and I care about ALL people and I treat them all equal.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
suema2006@gmail.com
781 665 0710
It seems as if your just trying to bash YTB and reps with lies. You cannot honestly say that I hung up on you because I have never talked with you. My associate handles ALL calls and I spoke with him today. He mentioned that your claim is false. So instead of making up lies to make yourself sound like you have a better opportunity, focus your time on another comment board.
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
We are not bashing YTB with any lies. Why don't you fess up to the fact that you in fact did hang up on me and Susan. Is your associate name Rick too, hmmm We do not have to make up things or lie. Competition is wonderful it separates the men from all the little boys who are on a power trip and need to get noticed and will do almost anything including lie to get noticed. Let it be known here and now Mr. Rick that you in fact hung up because you don't talk to anyone who does not have $499.99, YOUR entrance fee to join YOUR company.
I asked for Rick when we called and you said I'm Rick. Maybe you need a check up from the next up, not to be rude or maybe your memorty failing you. You don't answer your calls, do you have ghosts in your house by the Rick that talk? Why did you apologize if you did not hang up on us? That is strange.
I left it up to the individual what ever company they want to join is fine with me.
Let's all face it I was not the one who started the beginning of this column. It was done by Andrew Left of stock lemon.com He must know what he is talking about otherwise why would he raise a RED FLAG here?
I'm not bashing YTB where on earth did you get that idea or notion? My integrity and my associates is worth its weight in GOLD. We do not have to lie, we have nothing to lie about. Aren't you a great company, if so no need to lie. The truth shall set you FREE.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
suema2006@gmail.com
781 665 0710
Why don't we wish each other good luck and good fortune instead of waiting for a company to fold down.
Why don't we hope that travel industry and any other industry prosper, so that we can all prosper?
In my aspirations to be a better person, I again started to read before I go to sleep the book "Your Best Life Now" by Joel Osteen. On p. 124, I read the heading "Guard what you say." It says in that page according to the Scripture, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue; and you will eat the fruit thereof." To quote, "In other words, you create an environment for either good or evil with your words, and you are going to have to live in that world you've created."
I am sorry, I do not mean to preach. I shared that page because I can humbly say that I need to improve myself first before I can ask somebody else to improve. And I know that to be a leader, we need to lead by example. We set the tone for our group. If the leader is negative, so the team will be.
If I am am building a team, I would like to be positive and motivating...a dream builder not a dream killer. In my networking group, many businesses are represented. But we support and motivate each other. Sometimes, there are similar businesses. Yet never, we never put anybody down. We applaud each others efforts and recognize each other's efforts.
I didn't mean for my post to be so long, but I felt that I should say something. I don't think too much negativity can do that much good to anybody.
To leave with a positive thought: "Be prepared to receive God's blessings." --by Joel Osteen (Your Best Life Now)
Peace be with you!
--Jenny
jennyspumpkinpatchtrav...
jennyspumpkinpatch@ca....
I did not post it or write it. After all is said and done the author must have knowledge of something and checked it out thoroughly before posting it here, correct or not? I'm quite sure it has to be the truth because of the consequences involved in divulging and writing such a post.
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I'm sure the person felt it was the right thing to do. I believe it was to send out some sort of reality check, message for anyone and everyone to take notice here and to be aware that something is going on and to be warned. Why else would anyone post something like this?
To assume that someone is negative without knowing the truth about that person is an assumption about that person is not in the best interest of anyone involved and not based on the truth. If you read my other posts you would see my wishes for their success and letting people decide what is best for them. I do not think that is negative but then again that is my opinion. Right or wrong I have been telling the truth because I have no reason to do anything different than the truth. I'm not here to bash anyone or any company. Just to have anyone who desires to compare and see the differences. It is up to every individual to make up his or her mind, do their due diligence what is right or best for that individual based on the TRUTH. No two people think alike anyway however it has to be based on true facts. It would be a very boring g life if we all liked the same things or felt the same about everything.
If I have been unkind to anyone then they must have taken my words in the wrong context of what I was trying to convey.
I'm sorry to anyone if in fact I have offended, it is and was not my intention to do that. I have no hard feelings towards anyone here or anywhere else.
My reputation has been and always will be that of honesty and integrity. Integrity is worth more to me anyway then any company or any money earned or not earned. I have excellent work ethics and I do not think or act in a negative way. If you think that of me then you do not really know me at all. I love what I do and it is reflected in how I conduct my life and those who have chosen me as their leader. I lead by example and want only the best for them and always help them. We all work together and help each other. I have many references if anyone here or anywhere would like them they are by request.
Again I wish you all the best that life has to offer all of you whatever your decisions in life are, what is good for you and or your family. We all have rights to our own opinions. Remember...Freedom of speech.
G-d Bless each and everyone of you. I hold no grudges against anyone.
Heartprints143@yahoo.c...
508 210 3117
Rick
www.ytbsource.com
Bashing a company so you can promote your own is kinda weak too. Its not as if there is going to be a drop in market share if you just talk about the benefits of what your company has to offer. There are lots of people out there and infact, they'd rather hear the good than the negatives and excuses.
We all have differing opinions but lets play nice.
ytbtravelworldwide.com
I got into this because I wanted to own a travel business and I like what I sell. Everyone wants to go on vacation or go on a trip.
It is up to each individual to know your own skill and knowledge when it comes to selling. If you buy a YTB travel business, you must put in the effort to make your business successful. There are no TV commercials to do it for you. There are no self selling products. Marketing and good sales people sell the product.
I can answer any question regarding YTB and the benefits of owning a travel website.
James
2globetrek.com/
reservation@2globetrek...
Want to be an instant travel agent? Beware!
While travel certainly has some perks, most of them are going the way of the dinosaur. I am sure my pharmacist has some perks, but I don't see any "clubs" or "become a pharmacist" ads. Maybe travel is an easy target. Maybe the MLM outfits feel there are more gullible people that have an interest. Most true professionals are in the business for the love of the business. Ask anyone who has been around for more than a few years.
While these schemes pop up all the time and disappear as quickly as they appear, two of the biggest current offenders are YTB (Your Travel Biz) and World Ventures. Apparently, there is another "club" with an "insta-agent" option launching in October called eTrips Network.
All profess to offer wonderful discounts and perks that, in most instances, will never materialize. In addition they claim to provide "identification" cards that will reap steep discounts on personal travel. I have yet to speak with someone that can convincingly verify any of their claims. As my mother has always said, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is." For more enlightenment, visit the Web site scam.com and do a search for "travel opportunities."
That is not to say that one can't earn a living selling travel from home. There are thousands out there that do it every single day. With the growth of online sales and the reduction in brick-and-mortar storefronts, many of these displaced agents have gone home. You can, too.
There are many legitimate "hosts" that will facilitate this and work with you to achieve your goals. They will not fill you with false promises and inflated numbers. They are interested in selling travel. They work with the suppliers to build their collective businesses and relationships. Yes, they take some money from you, but you need to review the programs and decide what is best for you.
Some of the reputable host agencies are America's Vacations Center, Magellan 360, Cruise Planners, Nexion, GTM Travel Group and Travel Planners International. But realistically, if you want to make any money in any industry, you must be willing to work at it. Period. If you want a good list of reputable companies to begin a career in travel, check out the list maintained by the industry trade publication Travel Trade.
12 Questions to ask before joining up for any travel opportunity:
1. What is the initial fee?
2. What is my bottom-line monthly cost?
3. How often will I be paid?
4. What percentage of my sales do you retain?
5. How long have you been a host agency?
6. Can you give me five members to contact for a reference?
7. What professional affiliations do you hold as a host?
8. What training do you offer? In house? Online? Phone? Mail?
9. How long is the contract?
10. Do I actually sell travel?
11. Do I need my own insurance or am I covered under yours?
12. Will you put these claims in writing?
No. 12 is the most important one.
You also might want to check out the company with your local consumer protection agency, state attorney general and the Better Business Bureau, not only where the company is located, but also where you live. These organizations can tell you whether they have received complaints about the work-at-home program that interests you.
But be wary: the absence of complaints doesn't necessarily mean the company is legitimate. Unscrupulous companies may settle complaints, change their names or move to avoid detection. I know of one company that was a refrigeration company before becoming a travel company.
And to the naysayers out there, I challenge you. If you can prove the claims of the riches promised, I will publicly eat crow in a future column. Just e-mail me some redacted documents — bank statements, monthly commission checks, etc. Go on, I dare you. I double-dog dare you! The ball is in your court.
But until then, my advice to the consumer and someone looking to get into this business can be summed up in one word: BEWARE!
John Frenaye is the president of JVE Group, Inc., a diversified company based in Annapolis, Md. With nearly ten years as a senior executive in the retail travel industry and a background in business management, he writes about the travel industry as an insider with an outsider's perspective. E-mail him or visit his Web site . Want to sound off about one of his columns? Try visiting Frenaye's forum.
“Envy shoots at others and wounds itself”
-English proverb
Once again, my question is this... Even if all things were equal, which travel company would you be able to market easier? One that charges $500 to sign up, or one that charges $119.95. I was with YTB for 1 1/2 years. I was only able to sign up 5 people. I made no money networking that business. I booked $40,000 in travel and earned commissions of approx. $1000.00. I checked out Traverus solely as my competition and when I saw what they offered I had to switch! Not only did I switch, but my YTB sponsor is down from 108 people to less than 40 now. I've been with Traverus for 2 months and have earned more than that in networking so far and that money is now a residual income for me so i'll continue to make at least that every month. Folks, YTB is a Network Marketing company that is trying to use travel as their "product". Traverus is an actual Travel Agency that got into the Networking business. We have so much more clout in the industry in such a short time. I'm seeing hotels offering travel agent discounts when I tell them I'm with Traverus more so than when I was YTB. Example, Pasadena Ritz Carlton $320 per night. My travel agent discount with Traverus is only $160 per night!Bottom line....whichever you choose, I certainly wish you the best! In my experience, Traverus as a company and as for compensation blows YTB away! If you want any info, please feel free to email me at wizzardofahs@hotmail.c... I'll answer any questions you may have about either company and help you make an informed decision. Either way, again, good luck in all you do. Let's quit our 9-5's and tell our bosses to kiss our butts! Can I get an Amen to that?!? Take care!
Alan
traverusmovie.com
tripsnmore.com
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Alan
Your opinion is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I'm not going to comment on anything you said except one point. When you talk about Traverus being $399 to get the same thing as YTB, you are mistaken. With YTB you pay $500 to join, then you go to an 8 hour meeting and pay an additional $149 to get to CTA. With Traverus, you can sign up for only $119 and do some networking to become a CTA or you can sign up immediately as one for only $399. So, to compare, a CTA with YTB pays $649 and a CTA with Traverus if they want to start out as one pays $399. I say this because i've experienced both companies. I wish you the best. I only ask that when you try to explain something on here that people are going to want to believe, please get your facts straight first. Thanks, and good luck with your business. (Traverus also has a back office where "all your stuff is kept")
Keep those cards and letters coming folks.
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Alan
wizzardofahs@hotmail.c...
traverusmovie.com
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That being said, I have thrown down a guantlet and asked for someone, anyone to prove to me that they are making decent money selling travel with YTB. Not the website recruiting...travel. To date, I have received nothing substantial. One woman told me that becasue YTB is a public company they cannot be a scam...it is illegal for them to be a scam. Another told me that she was not going to divulge her travel commission, but to be sure that they were ample enough for her to purchase a "Cocaine White 2007 Bentley". Somehow I am pretty sure that Bentley Motorcars does not offer a "Cocaine White" color chip.
I do not deny that people are making the bug bucks selling the downline websites. I am still looking for proof of the travel sales. They claim to have paid out over $1M in commission in July. But look at the numbers. They only paid 17,000 reps an average of $57.05. So that means that the remaining 93,000 reps (or whatever convenient figure they want to use at this point) earned ZIP for their $50 a month investment plus the $499 initiation fee. The average commission earned per RTA was even DOWN from 2006. Looking forward, they intend to pay out almost $2M in commissions for booked travel---to 32,000 reps. So again, there are now 70,000+ reps that are earning the big ZIPPO. Again, the agerage earning rep is earning $62 a month. This is NOT an opportunity to me.
YTB is fond of saying they were #35 on the Travel Weekly list. Well, first off it was self-reported so the figures can be whatever they want them to be. But, in their defense, they were honest and said that of their $225M in sales that $175M of it was from website sales. That leaves $50M in travel sales. So how are they a travel company? That is like McDonalds calling themselves a video rental company because they have the red boxes out front. I am sure that if they could include their food revenue with the video revenue, they could surpass Blockbuster as the lead dog.
It is a classic pyramid scheme operating on the fringe of legality. I imagine that it is legal because there is indeed a product being sold--no matter how insignificant the product is--versus just passing along money up the upline.
The other issue is with the vendors that allow these RTAs to reap industry perks. Not YTBs fault at all--totally the vendors, but again, YTB is skirting on the fringes---they will certify you as a Certified Travel Agent. THe Travel Institute has a certification program called Certified Travel Associate (abbreviated CTA--which YTB convenienently does not use) which creates a lot of confusion.
A lot of grey areas for sure. Stay tuned, I hear there may be some breaking news on this!
It is a classic pyramid scheme operating on the fringe of legality.
I imagine that it is legal because there is indeed a product being
sold--no matter how insignificant the product is--versus just
passing along money up the upline.
well I guess DSA doesn't see it that way.
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and then be doing it yourself, and then saying "darn, thank God I
am not in the Media Industry anymore specilating about a company
I really have no idea about but some stats that got posted by
someone that their not reported something correctly, well no one
is perfect either. Our company isn't perfect, but we're having a good
time making a lot of money. Peace be with you
no it's not 50 dollars right now for only travel agents, but nice try, wait no, nevermind i said that, next thing you know, Traverus will be offering people 50 to join. take care :)
Its just a matter of weeding through the negatives and the bashers.
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$25,000 challenge, anyone who can find a better company with a better compensation plan and no one has come forward and it has been out for many months now. That speaks volumes.
Common sense rules. The facts do not lie.
The original post here at the top says it all. If it were not true they could be sued. When you compare the cream rises straight to the top. According to the Direct Selling Association the average person only recruites 2.3 people. Why is it the top people get wealthy but the others struggle?
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