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Last week I wrote a post on the iPhone in which I opined that the AT&T (T) lockup was a mistake for Apple (AAPL), and that the real winner in all this was AT&T.

The #1 response from readers I received (other than I was a moron) was that this "was a short term arrangement that all carriers do, within six months the iPhone will be available to all carriers." Hold the phone (pun intended) - it would appear that the iPhone will only be available to the 47 million AT&T subscribers for the next five years!

USA Today reports the supposed half-decade deal also precludes Apple from developing a CDMA handset in that time. It would also appear that the arrogance and dismissive attitude Apple took with carriers during negotiations may come back to bite them. Word is that the #2 carrier in the US, Verizon, will introduce its own version and is claiming it will be an iPhone-killer. According to Denny Strigl, Verizon CEO, "We do have a very good response in the mill. You'll see that from us in the late summer."

Rather than have a market all to itself for some time by playing nice with all carriers, the attitude Apple took has caused a rush to introduce like versions to coincide with its launch. Now not only will the iPhone not be available to the other 140 million plus US cell phone users, but those folks will be able to get their own version from other carriers this summer. Anyone want to bet it will be available for far less than the $500 -$600 the iPhone will be?

Now, any Verizon offering will not have the iPod application that the iPhone will have, but if my many critics are to be believed, that was not going to be a major selling point anyway, so the elimination of it will really be an insignificant factor to those purchasing these phones from Verizon. What will matter? Price. If consumers are able to avoid cancellation fees, can get a similar phone at a cheaper price and already have an iPod, there is zero incentive to rush out and get the iPhone.

This also means that the 10 million units Apple plans to have sold by the end of 2008 will be done to 47 million AT&T subscribers, meaning one in five will have one? Doubt it.

How long does anyone think it will be before Research in Motion Limited's (RIMM) Blackberry has a version out there that will be available through all carriers?

When entering a new business, it is not really a good idea to strut in and tell folks who have been doing it for many years how much better you are than them and why you are going to dictate what they can or cannot do. All reports out there indicate this is what Jobs did and in the process, seems to have caused other carriers to compete with him rather than work with him. Bottom line is that he needs their networks for his product; he seems to have forgotten this or chose not to recognize it.

I said before that the iPhone, as things are currently configured, will be nothing more than a niche product and that it will be Apple's first stumble after a string of hits in recent years. If the USA today article is correct, the AT&T deal all but assures it.

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    "This also means that the 10 million units Apple plans to have sold by the end of 2008 will be done to 47 million AT&T subscribers, meaning one in five will have one? Doubt it."

    If you watch the MacWorld keynote it's very clear that when Steve Jobs mentions selling 10 million iPhone he does so in the context of the the global market. He also says the iPhone will be available in Europe (later this year) and Asia (2008). Even if not a single person in the US switches to AT&T to get an iPhone (as you seem to be assuming), the one-in-five figure looks like nonsense to me.
    2007 May 24 07:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    It is interesting how the market has always downplayed Apple innovation. When Apple truly invented something new Apple always had to struggle and usually it would loose it's ability to capitolize on their original new idea because competition was able to inovate and take the best of Apples ideas and make them cheaper and for a larger audience (Does anybody remember it was apple that invented the digital camera, PDA and a long list of unsuccesful truly remarkable ideas... before their time). Apple does best to target new ideas that already show an interest in the market place (MP3 players, media distribution methods) and then Apple can truly make those products easy to use and work as stated. Apple empowers users and that is why I think people truly like Apple products. The IPHONE is a big deal. It will make using features easy and fun. The 8 gigs of flash memory is a big deal in a phone/music player. Remember Itunes and the IPOD are a complete product and distribution channel. The OSX operating system will insure developers make great software once Apple allows people to upload them. Imagine if you will connecting your IPHONE to large monitor like a TV to watch a show you downloaded from itunes when your on business travel. Take your work home or to the office.... Use high speed wireless connection or airport docking station and large screen monitor and not leave a foot print because you booted up from your phone and email, bookmarks and browser history stay with you. (eventually this may even replace a laptop if your able to use a remote storage hard drive and complete backup is easy). How many people back up their phones? As long as Apple can develop Software, Hardware and distribution then inovations will enhance our ability to use and enjoy these products.... High Stock price or not Apple makes technology fun and easy. With only 5 percent world wide computer market share and a more secure virus free high performance platform Apple is sure to excite many new customers and people in the future. China and India both have billions of people... Europe and Japan enjoy tech innovation and Apple owns the complete supply chain and has record high markup. What is there not to love. Even if Apple only pulled in a 5 percent market increase every quarter they would out perform the market.
    2007 May 24 10:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    There are so many reasons why I think you are wrong... enough that I registered with this website today just to post this reply.

    The 10 million unit goal is an international figure. The AT&T deal covers the US market but obviously there will be other deals coming outside of the US and there most certainly will be demand outside of the US. To say that this 10 million has to come from the 45 million AT&T subscribers is not exactly correct.

    This "iPhone-killer" from Verizon has been confirmed to be the LG Prada, a product which many have already declared to be inferior to the iPhone. This information comes from many sources including another article on this website. The phone is far less feature-rich than the iPhone and if history repeats itself Verizon will figure out a way to destroy the interface.

    Research in Motion. They are making great products but the software that they run has been consistently in adequate when compared to Windows Mobile. The software interface of the iPhone seems to be the most superior on the market except for the fact that there is no support for third party applications. Well Steve Jobs admitted today that this application support is something that we can expect in the future, so don't worry.

    How is RIM consistently performing so well? Well the competitive advantage the company has lies in their push email service which is the basis of most people's blackberry use. RIM has seen little competition in this aspect and that is why they have been so successful with business professionals. What we see now is a strive from smart phone makers like RIM is to create smartphones targeted at consumers, ie the pearl and now the curve. This is exactly what the iPhone intends to accomplish, a smartphone designed for consumers. And what better way to compete with RIM than to offer a push email service for free! When Apple announced the iPhone it was stated that anyone who uses a Yahoo! email account will recieve free push email to their iPhone. I don't know why this fact hasn't been mentioned more, it means that Apple will be providing a competition to what many see as the only competitive advantage that the blackberry has in the smartphone market.
    2007 May 30 10:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    Todd: just give it up. You're not going to spook enough suckers into selling their AAPL so you can load up. You REALLY believe Verizon could deliver a phone with anywhere NEAR the capabilities on the iPhone in this current decade? What's it going to use-- Windows Mobile 6? Be serious.

    As for ATT exclusivity-- it's annoying, but it's probably LESS annoying than being a Verizon customer. I am currently on Verizon and I absolutely DESPISE them. They CRIPPLE their phones; they TAKE OUT features. This is NOT a customer-centered company. I give them 1 star out of 5, for having a decent network. Who's to say ATT (or AAPL) won't BUY Verizon when they start to implode? ATT recently bought Bellsouth and SBC, as you may recall.
    2007 May 24 08:07 AM | Link | Reply
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    The article's analysis is flawed, but I think it's a mistake to assume no product will have "anywhere NEAR the capabilities" in the next three years. A product like the iPhone wasn't imaginable three years ago, so who knows what will come out between now and 2010. If you are leaning more towards the user-interaction side, rather than pure technological capability, then it's a different story. If, upon hitting the market, it gains the same widespread acceptance and image as the iPod, then I think you can make a call like that. This is very possible, as it seems the image side of that equation is nailed down, but I think its wrong on both ends to say "the iPhone will flop/others will have a killer [which is essentially saying it will be a giant, haha]" or "there will be no challengers."
    2007 May 24 09:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    I don't have a crystal ball; obviously, the iPhone could "fail". But if you look at MP3 players, 5 years after the introduction of iPod, I would argue that I don't see any credible competition to the iPod franchise. With a device so much more complicated-- a phone/music player/ digital assistant, it is much easier to "go wrong"-- and this gives Apple an advantage. I think their competitors will be their own worst enemies.
    2007 May 24 10:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm affraid the current demand for the phone is already proving you wrong. Also, verizon was offered the phone first, and should have took it. They made the wrong move.

    revolutionary phones, that tie in an true ims world are hard to come by. RIMM is close, but not there yet.

    "When entering a new business, it is not really a good idea to strut in and tell folks who have been doing it for many years how much better you are than them and why you are going to dictate what they can or cannot do."

    A correction to this... the reporters reporting the event stated he did this. Apple is not arrogant, they just know what they have (whether it be music distribution, Computers or electronics), and what they have are highly desireable... so they are able to leverage that desire with in their negotiations. This can not be confused for arrogance. They are not the same.
    2007 May 24 08:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Also, verizon was offered the phone first, and should have took it. They made the wrong move."


    It looks like Verizon (according to "theStreet") is going with the LG Prada-- a 2nd rate phone from a third rate Korean company.
    2007 May 24 08:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey Todd how big is your short position in Apple? I noticed no disclosure at the end of your piece!
    2007 May 24 08:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Anyone want to bet it will be available for far less than the $500 -$600 the iPhone will be?"

    It's a bet. When Steve Jobs made his joke about patent protection, it wasn't a joke.
    2007 May 24 09:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    Todd, you seem to be taking both sides of the argument here -- if AT&T is "the real winner in all this", then how can their (already the largest) market share in the domestic cellular business remain constant? And when you ramble on about Apple's "lock-in" with AT&T, you seem to dismiss pending arrangements with other carriers outside the US (where AT&T has no market share). The only place that AT&T has a lock on the iPhone is in the US, and AT&T is doing that with the expectation that it will increase their already dominant US market share.

    By embracing your "Apple finally stumbled -- woo hoo!" position, you are also assuming that the dominant cellular carrier in the US has also stumbled. The way that AT&T and the iPhone are linked together, you pretty much can't have one without the other.

    And AT&T has made a lot of changes in their network operation that go far beyond merely signing up with a new phone supplier. This isn't a small thing -- AT&T has made a significant gamble on the iPhone's likely impact to their business. If you really believe that the iPhone is going to make a quiet "plop" rather than a resounding splash, then you should be assuming that AT&T's cellular business will suffer as well. AT&T, on the other hand, apparently believes that the iPhone will give them a sufficient competitive advantage so as to lure customers away from their competitors, and increase both their market share and profitability (via higher-priced phone plans).

    Apple's earnings are growing quite nicely even without the iPhone, and they will still be able to bring out a non-phone version of the iPhone as the next video iPod, and charge the same $350 that they currently charge for the model with a display that is half the size of the iPhone's. Then there's the potential to push video games on the device as well, whether in iPod or iPhone form.

    If you're really serious about this (and not trying to be the Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh of financial bloggers), let's see some projections about numbers of iPhones sold in the first 6 months and the first year. Those would be some pretty hard numbers for you to hang your hat on. From your litany of previous bashings of the iPhone, my perception is that you believe that it will sell less than 2 million units in the first quarter (with customers being put off by the pricing), and less than 3-4 million units in the first six months. Does that represent your position fairly?
    2007 May 24 09:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    Never underestimate the passion of apple followers. It's like a religion.

    Personally I think the Iphone will be below expectations. The ATT tie up for one, and as for the rest of the world, make note of what type of phones are being sold in the up and coming world, cheap ones. Everywhere else they are just giving them away.

    Of course AAPL is good at marketing, so who knows.
    2007 May 24 09:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Never underestimate the passion of apple followers. It's like a religion."

    No, its a stock up 1300% in 6 years. That's not a religion. That's the best performing large cap in the market.
    2007 May 24 12:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    You are consistently incorrect (grossly incorrect) with your assessment(s). Rather than create a verbal collage utilizing other people's work to support whatever mood your in when you decide to write, please learn to take the time to first gather the key facts to a/the deal or event, then take the time to arrange those key facts in a manner so you can build a cohesive argument upon something foundational. Your "arrogance" in believing that you know more about the rollout of the iphone and its supportive set of strategies, than everyone at AT$T ) and Apple (that's not a typo in AT&T, there's reason) will clearly get the best of you. In the mean time, I'll keep reading your rants, they put a smile on my face, make me laugh and help my digestive system.
    2007 May 24 10:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    Typical Typical American centric arrogance that if it doesn't work in US it doesn't work anywhere else. If you consider that most phone companies launches and sell most of their high end phone in other parts of the world and then launching the phone in US a year or two later, it is more amazing that iPhone is launch in the US first. Maybe because it will take time to build up the supply to satisfy the world market or waiting for the 3.5G version to be ready. Another reason is probably Apple can generate a lot more free media promotion then launching the iPhone overseas.
    2007 May 24 10:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    Umm-- maybe its because Apple is based in the US? Can you name one Apple product launched first overseas? I don't think you need to look for complicated rationales.
    2007 May 24 11:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    You show me an Apple critic and I will show you somone who has ripped their PC apart, swapped video cards, updated the processor, and configured new and interesting ways to beat the most recent video game....in other words...a loser.
    Show me an Apple customer and I'll show you someone who gets work done and doesn't have time to read an 800 page instruction manual.
    You might want to invest in Waste Management because they're going to have billions of Nokias and Motorolas to dispose of.
    2007 May 24 11:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    So is Motorola, but its top phones has been launched oversea up to a year being available in the US. In the overall scheme of things, the US mobile phone market is not a leader.
    2007 May 24 11:29 AM | Link | Reply
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    I don't really care where a product is introduced, but it is odd that you pick MOT as an example. They are a deeply messed up company.
    2007 May 24 01:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Providing the wrong information to people just to attempt to drive the Apple stock down. You must be short on Apple. Ha Ha.

    You state (This also means that the 10 million units Apple plans to have sold by the end of 2008 will be done to 47 million AT&T subscribers, meaning one in five will have one? Doubt it.) but you dont bother to mention the Iphone is targeted to go on sale in Europe this fall and in China early next year. I guess it does not need to sell 10 million units to 47 million AT+T customers after all.

    Some fools might actually link your miss information to their readers as truth. Ha HA
    2007 May 24 11:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    Saying that folks will be able to get an iPhone equivalent from other suppliers is like saying that you don't need to buy a BMW because you can get the same thing from KIA for less money. That dog won't hunt Todd. That dog can't even sniff.
    2007 May 24 12:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Todd, give it a rest, seriously. You're in serious danger of drowning in egg. You will never live this down, trust me, and for sticking your neck out like this about the most anticipated CE releases since, well, since.. the iPod, you are going to get your head knocked off when the iPhone train goes roaring past you, along with AAPL's stock price.
    2007 May 24 12:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    People like Thomas Barta is why I wouldn't short Apple. Why is it that any article that even tries to say anything negative immediately draws flames from the pro-mac crowd? Bottom line is that even if the iphone is a dismal product the same crowd will still buy into it, that is the risk in betting against AAPL. As some quick rebuttals:

    "It looks like Verizon (according to "theStreet") is going with the LG Prada-- a 2nd rate phone from a third rate Korean company."
    - Joke? The "2nd rate phone" is essentially everything the iphone is; a no button phone with a big pricetag and a nice/desirable name. The "third rate company" makes Apple LCDs (Apple LCDs are now third rate products?) and is way more experienced in the cell phone game than Apple.

    "You REALLY believe Verizon could deliver a phone with anywhere NEAR the capabilities on the iPhone in this current decade?
    - The real question is do you REALLY believe people will pay big bucks to buy a phone that is technologically average? I agree with jyung here, in many other countries you can get a phone that has can play mp3s, watch videos, listen to the radio, have a big screen, open locks, operate as a debit card etc - all for $50. The US has never been the leader in phone technology and the iphone isn't going to change that. Just do some research on what is available out there (internationally). Be objective here, the iphone isn't the smallest/thinnest, doesn't have the best battery, doesn't have the best camera, isn't the first to be button free, doesn't have all of the wireless features available on other phones, has subpar expansion capabilities, etc - what makes it so groundbreaking? Oh right.. if you spin it 90 degrees the picture on the screen will rotate - the $500 feature I was looking for!

    I personally think that iphone will be below expectations but still do well. Though I don't agree with everything in the article I think 5-year lock-in mentioned means that the US will play a much smaller role than expected. I don't really understand why the successful marketing of one product automatically means that it is impervious in future plans, completely discounting decades of subpar performance.
    2007 May 24 12:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Be objective here, the iphone isn't the smallest/thinnest, doesn't have the best battery, doesn't have the best camera, isn't the first to be button free, doesn't have all of the wireless features available on other phones, has subpar expansion capabilities, etc - what makes it so groundbreaking?"

    The key to most Apple products is the gestalt, the total experience. I don't CARE about the 2 megapixel camera; if you want to take serious pictures; get a serious camera. I care about getting things done with minimum fuss. I can do just about anything I can do on a Mac on an XP PC, but in the latter case, it will take longer and will involve more fuss and "gotchas". It's like trying to type up a paper on a typewriter when you've become accustomed to word processors.
    2007 May 24 01:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    While it may not be the "smallest" Lightest" "Thinnest" etc. etc.... I don't think Mr. Jobs was kidding in the least when he mentioned the many many patents on the iPhone that Apple intends to vigorously defend. Imitators will be many... But Apple will be the beneficiary of when it comes to licencing and lawsuits.
    2007 May 26 03:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think the key whether Apple will succeed or not in the long term as a phone maker is dependant on Apple's ability to bring the ease of use user interface from their other products to the mobile platform and to create seamless conectivity and synergy with computers, OSX or Windows. All the mobile devices that are available today has lousy user interface and doesn't work well with computers. This is on the top of the list of Apple as I think one of the first statement Steve Job made when introducing the iphone is about how bad the user interfaces are in todays mobile devices. If this is achieve then Apple's future as a mobile device maker will be bright. At lease even if this doesn't happen, the mobile devices makers has already made a big effort in bring a competitive product out the next six months which has greatly accelerated the development and advancement of mobile devices. The user will be the greatest winner. As they say a little competition doesn't hurt.
    2007 May 24 12:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Only on AT&T is smart move from Apple. They took their disadvantage (of capacity constraint) and make gain out of it by giving it to the best bidder. Pretty smart!
    2007 May 24 01:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    @ aerius,

    The iPhone has a Unix OS that is capable of running a desktop computer inside of it. That OS X inside is capable of running very complex programs on the iPhone. Real games, Excel, Powerpoint and Word clones, the possibilities are endless. The Prada has a below average cell phone OS. The two phones are not the same.

    @ Thomas Barta,

    One Apple product that debuted overseas, in Japan, and died there, was the gaming console named Pippin. It didn't even have XBox's Japanese sales numbers.

    @ Todd,

    There are well over 100 million iPods sold so far. Almost every one of those iPod buyers would by an iPhone if they could. Most of them will, eventually. This is not a Microsoft phone we are talking about. The first generation iPhone will be very good. There is no need to wait until the third or fourth generation to get a very competitive product from Steve Jobs' Apple.
    Another point, the iPhone may be thought of as a smart phone but it will appeal to all cell phone users because it is easy to use and it is also a video iPod.
    2007 May 24 01:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    "One Apple product that debuted overseas, in Japan, and died there, was the gaming console named Pippin. It didn't even have XBox's Japanese sales numbers."

    You got me.
    2007 May 24 01:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    Alan, you can check the price points of those ipods, waste majority of those were the reasonably priced ones, not the expensive ones. So yes, many ipod users might buy iphone, but the price point must be way lower than it currently seems to be (249 or lower). I think one of the arguments Todd made originally was that the phone is way overprices to be a huge success.

    And about the 100m ipods sold during last five years: 100m mobile phones are sold every month! This makes an environment which is completely different than the dap market ipod competes in. The companies are very competent and fiercely competiteve, releasing new phones on monthly basis. Heck, lately it seems like the big ones are releasing new models on weekly basis.

    Yes, iphone will succeed initially, but by end of the year, it is ancient model no one wants.
    2007 May 24 02:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    The entire premise of this article is completely retarded. The article's premise is that Apple was "stupid" for agreeing to an exclusive arrangement with AT&T. But that was the only way Apple could make a phone without interference from the carrier. These carriers, particularly Verizon, screw up the phones. Apple had to offer AT&T something - exclusivity - or why should AT&T have agreed to anything? Apple also needs to control the distribution, the marketing, the support, in order to offer the type of experience it offers. Apple could not get these things without giving a carrier something in return.

    Have you gotten it yet? Apple got something no carrier has ever given a phone maker. FREEDOM. I doubt Verizon is ready yet to give that to anyone, so their "iPhone killer" is likely to suck as much as their existing phones. And yes, existing phones suck. In large part due to carriers like Verizon.
    2007 May 24 02:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jobs said, 1% of ONE BILLION phones. What this means? This means 1% of GLOBAL MARKET.

    This means 10 000 000 phones from ALL THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD.

    But be sure that will be 50 000 000 phones!!!
    2007 May 24 03:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    Todd,

    Some of the statements you made are so outlandish, it's hard to tell whether you were serious or just kidding around. For example, citing the terms of the AT&T contract, you said, "[I]t would appear that the iPhone will only be available to the 47 million AT&T subscribers for the next five years!"

    Um, you're kidding right? First of all, are you stating that AT&T's subscriber base is going to remain at current levels for the next five years? That would be news indeed! Second, during his keynote address at this year's MacWorld event, Steve Jobs officially outlined a plan to roll out the iPhone in Europe in the 4th quarter of 2007, and in Asia in 2008. AT&T's exclusive covers the U.S. only. So how does that limit Apple to AT&T's U.S. customer base for the next five years? I would truly be interested in reading an explanation.

    Next, you seem to think we should be awed by Verizon's self-proclaimed 'iPhone killer.' Man, that is rich. So apparently, simply saying it's so, makes it so (at least if you're Verizon CEO, Denny Strigl). Makes me wonder what you would have written had Steve Ballmer told you a year or so ago that the Zune was going to be an iPod killer.

    To top it off, you went on to state, "[A]ny Verizon offering will not have the iPod application that the iPhone will have, but...the elimination of it will really be an insignificant factor to those purchasing these phones from Verizon." Huh? Do you have any sources or evidence of any kind to back up this statement (other than your 'many critics', who are suddenly magically right this one time), or do you just make stuff up as you go along? I mean, talk about opinion masquerading as fact--yikes!

    So Todd, are you short AAPL? If so, please let us know how that works out for you. :-)

    Jonathan
    2007 May 24 09:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    I don't think Apple would've entered this agreement if it didn't think there was something in it for them. In any case, it's main cash-cow is still the iPod, and even if the iPhone fails, I'm sure the technology (-investment) won't.
    2007 May 25 04:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Todd misses the point as AAPL is entering on the high end of the phone market where the profits are. The phone does way more than any other phone especially RIMM's phones. As Jobs stated at the iPhone launch the other phones are given away by the carriers since they are worth about $0. The repsonse Verizon now wants to launch the Prada phone which is a $500 to $800 phone so they obviously see some profit here. Biggest company with a problem is RIMM with 9 million subs. AAPL wants 10 milliion phones in the first year thus becoming the size of RIMM in one year. RIMM is worth almost 30 billliion in market cap (way overvalued) so should aapl with tons of resources compared to RIMM get a $30 billion increase in market cap. Why not. AAPL's entry forces MSFT to focus on phones (software) so where does that leave RIMM. With a niche product. RIMM wants the high end consumer but their phones will look so last centry after the iPhone comes out. That means lots of pain for RIMM. Thus the best position is long AAPL and short RIMM. I admit that I have sold most of my AAPL as this run has been great while adding to a RIMM short since their run is ridiculous.
    2007 May 25 09:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hello, long time reader, first time poster

    Anyways, Mr. Sullivan, I find it slightly ironic how you've written an article saying how you've noticed what your readers have been commenting but have yet again failed to address a rather common issue that your readers have pointed out: that the 10 million iPhone buyers won't all come from AT&T subscribers. You have used this as an argument as to why Apple won't hit the 10 million mark by end of 2008 in the 'emotion' article you have written a little over a week ago, got this issue pointed out by readers, and yet while you claim you've read the comments you've made the same claim here ("This also means that the 10 million units Apple plans to have sold by the end of 2008 will be done to 47 million AT&T subscribers, meaning one in five will have one? Doubt it.").

    Care to expand on this claim? Or care to admit that you've made a mistake?

    Yes I am long on AAPL and have been doing a lot of reading before and during my long position. While I am starting to feel that I might be deluded in thinking that AAPL is the perfect stock to long, I am therefore open to any bearish views, but I'd at the same time like to read articles that appear to be objective and fact based (or at least backed up with a reasoning when they're opinion based).

    Perhaps you're a bit too emotionally attached to your previous claims and therefore are now unwilling to address to that one point? Irony is bitter, isn't it.
    2007 May 26 05:28 AM | Link | Reply
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    AT&T exclusive for 5 years is the price Apple is paying so that iPhone isn't locked to AT&T. That would have made it AT&T's product in the USA, not Apple's. Apple will require iPhone to sell for its full value; a "free with contract" destiny for iPhone would never be acceptable to Apple. Apple equally obviously will require that if you have an iPhone, it's your iPhone, and in your mind it comes from Apple, not AT&T, and it's worth the price which is appropriately higher than an equivalent WiFI iPod with no phone.

    It may be that, initially, it's only available with contract, but I'm sure that can change if Apple wants it to. Compared to other phones, iPhone will subsidize the contract instead of the other way around, and AT&T will still get that subsidy even if the customer doesn't sign with them. That subsidy, together with the fact that using another service will require 2 purchases and DIY support, and will cost Apple on the revenue sharing means that Apple/AT&T continue to work together because it benefits both, not because t hey've tied t hemselves in knots with contractual prohibitions. They will get and keep customers out of the customers' free choice, not because of locked phones and long contracts.

    That's how I think it's going to work. Apple & AT&T can change the cellphone market because no-one else can make an iPhone. They will be ready ahead of time for the threats of VOIP, and WImax, when protectionist, lock-in tactics will drive customers away.
    2007 May 27 12:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    I just don't understand why people don't get what Apple, Inc. is all about. It is about creation, evolution, an experience you can get no where else. Come on folks, get with the program. The iPhone WILL SUCCEED and it will because it is COOL, INNOVATIVE AND DOWN RIGHT SEXY. All the naysayers will later say in some stupid article that they saw how it would be successful but intelligent consumers will remember your remarks and not trust your judgement ever again. You will be proven wrong in less than a year and I am confident enough to have over a $1M invested in AAPL. I put my money where my mouth is, do you?
    2007 May 28 03:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am from India which is the largest and the fastet growing cell phone market in the world. If 47 million is AT & T's base it is peanuts compared to even a small operator in India. If Apple had launched the phone world wide they would have sold 10 times the number they would expect to sell with the current tie up so as per me Apple has lost out on one single oppourtunity offered to them by this brillinant product. By the time they launch competition is sure to catch up and the market will be divided. Like Julia Roberts says in Pretty Woman "Big Mistake" "Huge Mistake" Mr Jobs
    2007 Oct 02 06:34 AM | Link | Reply