Neogen Corporation's (NEOG) CEO Jim Herbert on Q3 2016 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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Neogen Corporation (NASDAQ:NEOG)

Q3 2016 Results Earnings Conference Call

March 23, 2016, 11:00 AM ET

Executives

Jim Herbert - Chairman & CEO

Rick Calk - President & COO

Steve Quinlan - VP & CFO

Analysts

Brian Weinstein - William Blair

Garrett Phelps - Stephens Inc.

Paul Knight - Janney Montgomery Scott

Charles Haff - Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Tony Brenner - ROTH Capital Partners

Kurt Kemper - Hilliard Lyons

David Stratton - Great Lakes Review

Michael Castor - Sio Capital Management

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Neogen Third Quarter fiscal year 2016 Earnings Results Conference.

My name is Brendon, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note this conference is being recorded.

And I'll now turn it over to Jim Herbert. You may begin sir.

Jim Herbert

Right Brendon and good morning and welcome to each of you to our regular quarterly conference call for investors and analysts. Today we'll be reporting to you on our third quarter that ended on February 29.

As is our normal custom, I will remind you that some of the statements that are made here today could be termed as forward-looking statements, and these forward-looking statements, of course, are subject to risk and uncertainties. Actual results may differ from those that we discuss today. These risks that are associated with our business are covered in part with Company's Form 10-K as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

In addition to those of you who are joining us today by live telephone conference, I also welcome those who may be joined by way of simulcast on the World Wide Web. Following comments this morning as usual, we will entertain questions from participants who are joined by the live conference. And I'm joined today by Rick Calk, Neogen's Chief Operating Officer and Steve Quinlan, Neogen's Chief Financial Officer.

Earlier today, Neogen issued a press release announcing the results of our third quarter, which ended on February 29, net income for that third quarter increased 12% to $8.3 million or $0.22 per fully diluted share. That's an increase from last year's $7.5 million that equated to $0.20 per share.

On a year-to-date basis net income now is at $26.7 million or $0.71 a share compared to $0.55 a share a year ago.

Revenues for the third quarter, also increased by 12% to $76.7 million from the previous year's third quarter of approximately $68.4 million. Neogen achieved this new record in revenue despite a shortfall of approximately $1.8 million in revenues due to currency conversions.

Year-to-date, our 2016 revenues increased by 13% and now stand at $231.2 million.

Once again Neogen’s 1200 employees around the world kept the growth string going. In the past 101 quarters Neogen has now reported quarter revenue increases 96 times and that’s every quarter for the last 11 years.

This third quarter was a good quarter for strategic accomplishments and we did a number of things to have build for our future; however it wasn’t such a great quarter for comparative purposes. Operating income in the quarter was 14.7% compared to 17.8% a year ago.

A part of this drag is clearly related to currency conversions. It seems to me that sooner or later international currency values have got a quick drop when compared to the strong U.S. dollar, but don’t know how to predict it.

As I said earlier, it cost us about $1.8 million in currency conversions at the topline as compared to last year, but in addition to currency conversions I suspect that that strong dollar also cost us some sales when customers might have cut back on their purchases but maybe in some cases competition may address or the way a bid of our business if they were producing their products in the local currencies and product mix also probably will have some impact and may be Steve will talk about that.

Where currency was not an issue here in the U.S., our Food Safety Group has now picked up 750 new customers since the beginning of this fiscal year and I would estimate that we probably picked up at least that number of new customers in our international food safety areas.

As I said, we made some strong strategic moves, but they had some negative impact on earnings line for the quarter, but they're pre-paying big dividends as we look at the quarters ahead. I'll come back and talk about that a little more and some of the others and those strategic moves and some of the trends that we see that are important.

But let me stop at this point and ask Rick Calk to talk about the growth in some of the exciting areas that Rick is focusing on our food safety division. This is an area where Rick continues to provide some strong leadership in these high growth potential markets. Rick?

Rick Calk

Thank you, Jim and welcome to everyone who is listening. Jim has already reported on the overall sales and profit performance for our third quarter and our press release provided additional details related to our overall quarterly results. I will try to provide a bit more detail on the performance of our Food Safety segment for the quarter.

As stated in the press, excuse me, as stated in the press release, the negative effects of the currency conversions obscured what was a solid operational performance for Neogen. Going into the quarter, we knew that our Food Safety segment was facing a very difficult comparison with our third quarter of last year as we recorded a 27% increase in the sales of our test kits to detect DON as we responded to significant outbreaks of this mycotoxin in both North America and Europe.

To give you a bit of perspective on last year's DON sales spike, this year we recorded a double-digit decrease in sales of DON test kits as overall testing has understandably declined compared to last year. But it's important to note that our DON sales for this quarter are still 11% above what we recorded two years ago. In essence we've established a new higher normal in mycotoxin test kit sales.

It’s also important to note that even with that difficult year-over-year comparison we would have recorded a double-digit increase in organic sales for our Food Safety segment if not for the global currency issues, which Steve will describe in greater detail.

Our food allergen product line continues to lead the way in revenue increases for our Food Safety diagnostics. This quarter we recorded a 19% increase in the product line led by increases in sales of our gluten and our soy test. The line has also benefited from sales of our relatively new test to detect of the six tree nuts with a single test.

We're finding that our testing customers who include multiple nuts in their food production operations almonds and walnuts at the same time for example, prefer to test for those multiple nuts at one time with a single test.

Sales of test kits for Listeria also continued their upward momentum from recent quarters. This quarter showed sales up 18% when compared to last year’s third quarter. Those of you familiar with Food Safety issues know that Listeria presents somewhat of a different challenge than other common foodborne pathogens such as E. coli and Salmonella.

Listeria can come from animals as the others do, but is also found in soil and water and as such can represent a risk to most food manufacturers, no matter what they are producing. The more that risk is understood, the more testing for Listeria will take place.

I think another highlight for the quarter is a product line that we don't often feature our line of Acumedia dehydrated culture media. Neogen acquired Acumedia back in 2000 as it just made sense to own the manufacturing capability for the culture media that our rapid microbial test rely upon, but with that acquisition came access to food safety and traditional culture media markets.

These are the companies that use culture media to produce animal vaccines and cell cultures. Our Acumedia sales to those traditional media markets increased 24% in the third quarter.

Our general General Sanitation line of products, which includes our new AccuPoint advanced sanitation monitoring system, also continued its forward momentum in the face of these currency headwinds, increasing 14% compared to the previous year's third quarter.

The more the food companies of all sizes understand about the increasing food safety rules and regulations around the world, the more they understand that manufacturing food in a verifiably clean environment is the foundation of all food safety efforts.

Our AccuPoint advanced sanitation monitoring system is the perfect tool to instantly verify environmental cleanliness. In the third quarter, we took steps for our food safety sales and marketing teams to increase their partnership roles with food companies of all sizes.

The sales and marketing teams received certificate training in the development and implementation of the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points or HACCP programs through a training program at Michigan State University.

HACCP is a management system in which food safety is addressed through the analysis and control of potential hazards throughout the food production process and we're very fortunate to have Michigan State University as our neighbor here in the Lansing area and able to work closely with food safety experts from the University.

The HACCP training program represented a fantastic opportunity for our sales and marketing teams to learn more about the escalating challenges being faced every day by our food industry customers, as its members work to comply with new and expanded food safety rules and regulations.

As concerns for those new and expanded global food safety rules and regulations such as the Food Safety Modernization Act or FSMA, we continue to see a slow ramp up as food companies understand and react to their pending new testing requirements.

As I've mentioned before, we believe that the new provisions of FSMA certainly will help Neogen, but the question remains just how much and when? Most large food companies already have established rigorous food safety programs in place and the new FSMA regulations are unlikely to spur a great deal of new testing for them.

Midsized and smaller food companies however are more likely to increase their testing programs over the next two years and that will likely drive growth, but again it remains an open question as to how much and when the new regulations will fully impact Neogen. Jim?

Jim Herbert

Thanks Rick. While we're at a stopping place here, Steve Quinlan, how about talking about, Rick has talked about the highlights of food safety side. Talk some about the highlights of our Animal Safety Group and take a little deeper look at the quarter's financials that I did in my opening comments.

Steve Quinlan

Sure Jim, thank you. The third quarter of fiscal 2016 was somewhat disappointing from an operating perspective as the shift in product mix and continuing currency headwinds negatively impacted our results.

The currency issues masked some solid underlying growth, particularly in our international operations, which I'll talk about a little bit, as the currencies in which we operate continue to weaken versus the dollar compared to the same period last year.

The Euro for example was down 8% on average compared to last year's third quarter. The Real in Brazil was down 47% for the comparative quarter. The Peso was 21% lower the Pound Sterling was down 6% on average.

The negative impact of the stronger dollar on our comparative revenues for the third quarter was about $1.8 million as Jim mentioned and about a 2% impact on the bottom line.

In constant currency, our growth was actually 15% versus the 12% growth reported and reported organic growth of 10% would have been 13% and on the Food Safety segment where our international operations report into, the impact was even more pronounced.

Their 8% growth would have been 14% and organic growth of 4% would have been 10%. Now the past couple of weeks has seem some weakening of the dollar against these currencies, but we expect continued volatility in world currency markets in the near term.

Rick has already discussed some of the key highlights of the growth in the food safety business. So I am going to focus on our international operations in the Animal Safety segment.

Neogen Europe had their first quarterly increase of the year in their local currency with revenues up 4% in the pound sterling, primarily the result of revenue growth in the allergen and AccuPoint Sanitation product lines.

However revenues declined by 1% when the pound was converted to U.S. dollars. Year-to-date revenues have declined by 8% in dollars with currency and lower genomic revenue as the primary explanations.

Neogen do Brazil continues to grow its business in a recessionary environment and recorded revenue increases of 48% in its local currency, the Real, for the third quarter with broad based strength across most of its food safety product lines.

However after accounting for the devaluation of the Real for the comparative quarters, revenues denominated in dollars were essentially flat and year-to-date revenues are up about a percent and after accounting for the 50% decline in value of the real for the comparative nine month period.

Revenues at Neogen Latinoamerica, our Mexican subsidiary, rose 28% in local currency and were up 7% for the quarter in U.S. dollars, in spite of the Peso weakness, with particular strength in the mycotoxin and spoilage organism product lines. Year-to-date revenues are up 20% after converting to dollars.

The Animal Safety segment recorded overall revenue increases of 16% almost entirely organic in the third quarter. Increases in our Lexington-based business came primarily from sales of disposable products to the commercial dairy market, the result of a new distribution agreement entered into in July and strong sales of our small animal supplement product line, which was up 61% in the third quarter and 32% for the year-to-date.

These increases offset a 12% decline in our instrument product line for the quarter due primarily to order timing from some of our large distributors and for the year-to-date our instrument sales are essentially flat.

Our biosecurity product offering of cleaners, disinfectants, rodenticides and insecticides was very strong with revenues up 28% over last year's third quarter. The rodenticide business alone rose by 60% as our contract manufacturing business expanded.

We also had some nice market gains in our direct farm store markets with new and improved formulations. For the year-to-date, rodenticides were up 56% over last year.

Our insecticide business also had a strong third quarter with revenues up 30% aided somewhat by a spring booking program. Offsetting these gains, sales of cleaners and disinfectants declined 10%, primarily due to lower demand from international customers resulting from weak economic conditions in a number of our international markets and the strength of the U.S. dollar, which makes our product less competitive in those markets.

The agrigenomics testing business headquartered in Lincoln, Nebraska was up 24% for both the comparative quarter and year-to-date periods due to sample volume increases resulting from incremental poultry business and market share gains, primarily in testing services for the swine and canine markets.

But corporate-wide our gross margins were 45.9% compared to last year’s 49.3% in the third quarter and for the year-to-date they were 48.1% versus 49.9% last year. Negatively impacting the gross margins for the quarter were mix changes, both within and between segments toward products and services, which have lower gross margins and incremental revenues from acquisitions which were still getting established.

Margins were also adversely impacted by currency, which were both at the topline as revenues in the foreign currency were converted to U.S. dollars and in material cost as our products were sold to our international operations in U.S. dollars and standard cost adjustments at our Mexican operations.

Now we do expect continued pressure on growth and operating margins through at least the end of the fiscal year for these reasons. Operating expenses overall were up 11% in both the third quarter and for the year-to-date.

Sales and marketing expenses rose by 10% for the quarter comparing favorably with the 12% increase in revenues and rose 11% year-to-date with the largest components of these increases being personnel related expenditures, reflecting primarily the additional staffing over the past year and selling expenses, including shipping resulting from the revenue growth.

General and administrative expenses rose 16% in the quarter with increased salaries, stock-based compensation and fringe costs, higher amortization of intangible assets and increases in legal and professional fees primarily related to our acquisitions. For the year-to-date, these expenses are up 13%.

Our R&D expenses were 4% over the prior quarter and for the year-to-date are up 5%. Operating income for the quarter, as Jim mentioned, was $11.3 million or 14.7% of sales compared to $12.2 million or 17.8% recorded in last year’s third quarter with the percentage decline mirroring that of our gross margin percentage.

During the quarter, the company recorded a net currency gain of $182,000 recorded through other income, including gains from the company’s hedging program. This compares to currency losses of $470,000 in last year's third quarter. For the year-to-date, net currency charges running through other income and expense totaled $984,000 or $689,000 in fiscal 2015.

Our effective income tax rate for the quarter was 28.8% compared to 36.3% in last year’s third quarter and the difference was primarily the result of utilization of available research and development tax credits. Year-to-date, the effective rate is 33.6% compared to 36.1% last year.

Our company generated about $7 million in cash from operations during the quarter and $28 million for the first nine months of the year.

We’ve invested $16.6 million in the Sterling Test House, Lab M and Virbac acquisitions this year and another $11.1 million in property and equipment. Our inventory balances have increased 27% in large part due to a concerted effort by the company to improve our service levels to our customers and reduce backorders.

Additional increases in inventory are the result of the Lab M acquisition, stocking requirements for the new dairy distribution business and increases at GeneSeek based on timing of receipts of both chip orders.

Accounts receivable balances have declined 5% in spite of the increase in revenues and our day sales outstanding have improved by two days since the beginning of the year.

So wrapping up, in spite of the challenges, we continue to face from currency shifting product mix and economic uncertainties in our international markets, we continue to be excited about the prospects for both the remainder of the year and our longer term future.

I’ll now turn it back to Jim for some additional comments.

Jim Herbert

Yeah thanks David and real quick, about currency conversions that is concerting, but obviously we'll play whatever hand gets dealt to us. Earlier I talked about strategic moves that we had made during the quarter and then some of the impact that it might have had on the earnings line.

Unfortunately strategic opportunities don’t always match up with the three months intervals of reporting quarters. We’ve made three acquisitions so far and considered several more during the year, all of which are integral to our growth strategy.

However, organizational cost and legal expenses, inventory issues and all-in necessary expert reports and other things that are required to do a good job and due diligence are now required to be expensed at the time that it is spend.

Back in the good old days, we could amortize these as part of the purchase price instead of taking a onetime hit in the quarter in which these occurred. Even good acquisitions don’t always start out in a profitable position in the first month they come on board.

India is an example of this and it’s one of the two countries that will have the largest middle class population growth in the next two decades and we needed to be there. Taking into account our start-up expense and organizational cost, our Indian operations have not been profitable to this point and are not likely to be profitable for the remainder for the year.

However we anticipated that and suggested earlier that at best the Indian operations might breakeven.

The acquisition of our Lab M Culture Media business in Central England is another perfect example of part of our strategy that fit well into our need in Europe management team that's based on Scotland.

Again this one has taken some management time and that impact -- some things that impacted our bottom line. We do expect this one to be profitable in this first nine months of Neogen ownership and that will occur by the end of the fiscal year in May.

We expanded our genomic testing to our laboratory in Ayr, Scotland during the quarter through a build out of laboratory space and new equipment purchases in a significant time and the expenses in training our staff. This is and will allow us to grow our animal genomics business in Europe and at the same time, leave some of the high volume requirements that we continue to place on in genomics lab in Lincoln, Nebraska.

We acquired some strong rodenticide assets from Virbac, a French company in January. This gives us additional technical products for use in our various rodent baits. Having these additional products is important to those customers who need to rotate product on a regular basis, sometimes every three months.

We also picked up approximately 40 different registrations from Virbac -- from that Virbac acquisition that opened markets to us not only in the U.S., but also in Mexico and Canada.

We're seeing a lot of positive drivers in our business, which I am sure you realize is not unusual. Increase in organic foods in one of those. Last week, we attended the big organic good show in Anaheim where there were 2700 exhibitors including us, and an estimated attendance of over 80,000 people.

It looked big until you stop to realize maybe it's not so surprising when we look at the fact that overall grocery sales for 2015 grew at 2% here in the U.S., but organic food sales grew at over 12% and this is not just the food for companies like Whole Foods, but both -- and Walmart, the two largest U.S. food retailers are both establishing organic food sections in their stores.

We positioned ourselves in this market as the company that wrote the book on food safety.

Another big driver is a push toward meat being raised without antibiotics and you've probably seen and heard that in a number of places by now. Some retailers and even fast food companies are positioning themselves about only meat from animals that were raised without antibiotics.

This provides big opportunities for our Animal Safety Group, which has very strong products for bio-security that's needed to be able to accomplish this. Regulations that are aimed at improving food safety or proliferating around the world as we're there, we're offering products and programs as to both the food producers as well as food processors and all the way through to food service.

The EU with the most stringent food safety programs today is continuing to strengthen their regulations and their inspections to keep out natural toxins, pathogens and allergens and now a stronger program even then ever before on drug residues. Neogen is there with the needed products and is continuing to focus on strengthening our distribution in those countries.

It wouldn't be a report unless I talked a bit about what's happening with Food Safety Modernization Act over at U.S. FDA that passed back in 2011, Rick talked about that little bit earlier in his comments and you may remember that the seven pillars to this program, all aimed at the prevention of food safety problems rather than just detection and reporting and of those seven, final regs are now published on five of them in the remaining two that are likely to occur here in the next few months.

The first two of these that went into effect in early September of 2015, won't be enforced until September of this year and that will only be for the large companies, smaller companies will have until September of 2017 and the real small companies that have until September of 2018.

We think that we'll continue to see this kind of scheduling with the other five of those pillars that we discussed. However, as Rick indicated, food processors, the big guys especially are already beginning to get theirs in order and we'll continue to see some increase in our food diagnostic sales as the months go by.

New products and new concerns continue to be good opportunities for us. One of our newest line of product has been diagnostic test to detect foodborne allergens. I don’t think there has been a single month since we began introducing these products that we haven’t shown double digit growth.

For this first quarter I think we were up 19% compared to a year earlier. So we know that and time didn't allow me to talk about it today, but we know that we'll continue to be seeing other opportunities for new products and that's exactly where we will have our 75% R&D staff focused.

I guess, so we can get on to questions, I'll maybe summarize by saying that the drivers that have propelled us every quarter for the last 101 quarters are still in place and they get stronger. I talked a bit about new products. We think secondly, and I think we think that most of our markets are growing and it's our goal to keep up that growth and take a little bit away from competition on top of that every quarter.

The third is acquisitions. We continue to be active on the acquisition front. I have nothing really to announce to you today on pending acquisitions, but we can say that we have several interesting ones that are on the radar screen that are synergistic to our current businesses and we think that’s important.

The fourth of course is the growth of our international revenue base and we’ve talked a good bit about that in this call. So I think you can see that we're continuing to put emphasis in that area.

This -- I think that will conclude at this point our prepared comments for the morning and open the call up for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. And we'll now being the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And from William Blair we have Brian Weinstein online. Please go ahead.

Brian Weinstein

Hi guys. Thanks for taking the question. I thought we could spend some time on the margin structure. Steve, maybe can you bridge us from last year to this year? You gave obviously what the margins were this year and what they were last year, but in terms of the factors that are kind of driving the decrease there, can you help bridge us quantitatively on what those, which each of those factors contributed?

Steve Quinlan

Yes, Brian, without giving super specific, I would say the currency impact was probably close to a $1 million. The product mix was another $1.2 million, somewhere in that range. Those were kind of the two biggest pieces and really when we're talking product mix, it was just that some of our lower margin product lines or pieces of business did really well this quarter and some of the -- Rick alluded to the DON sales that were down.

So our Mycotoxin Group which is a higher gross margin product was a little bit -- was down compared to last year. So the lower margin products exploded. The higher margin products just didn't grow as well.

Rick Calk

I'd add to that just to interrupt you just a second, as Steve said, something I probably should have covered Brian is when you're sitting in there with the distributer in a country that it costs them prices as much to buy our product as it did a year ago and we're trying to figure out how to stay even.

We have to do some things to adjust their price to keep them in the marketplace. The same thing is true with our own sales in Brazil. We've got a sliding scale on some of that product down there that we supply product from here to Brazil and Brazil sells it to the end-user.

And in those cases, we slide the price -- the end-user price on that depending upon what the currency ratio is. So that slid a little bit more this month and we sold product a little cheaper than we did this time last year.

The same product a little cheaper and now we've structured that and we've been through this before. It's fortunate, unfortunate, not the first time we've seen Peso and Real valuation particularly the Peso seen it occur this long and is hard, but we've seen it before and we'll recover those margins as the local currency adjusts to the dollar. So that has something to do with the impact too.

Brian Weinstein

Do you guys expect that -- you guys have talked about a 20% target obviously from long time on your operating margins and when you're above that and below that you make adjustments to your business. Is 20% still the right way to think about the operating target here?

Jim Herbert

I think it is, despite where we are now, I think 20% is still a good bogey. So 20% is good bogey. We're a hell of a long ways off today, aren't we.

Brian Weinstein

Yes so when do you think you get back there and what are the things outside of foreign currency that get you to get back there?

Jim Herbert

Well it's the operating expense. We've got in India and none of these are big losses, but India is losing money and it won't keep losing money. It's showing now we're budgeting, India is being budgeted and it will start making the reasonable return next year and we're gearing up this strong move on what we're doing for genomics with the new lab and it's kind of a little sister to Lincoln and our operations in Ayr, Scotland.

They're good there and we will pick up some additional business and instead of bringing samples from England or France and bringing them to the U.S. and doing the work and sending them back again, we'll be able to do a lot of that internally, there in country now which not only will help a little bit on cost wise, but it will help with all of the clearances of USDA that you've got to clear to bring in animals products and it will make us in country and give us an opportunity.

We've got a little competition developing over there It will give us an opportunity to be more competitive in those markets. So those things all working together and I tried to point out in my comments all of the things that we've done that I think are really positive for the growth of the company. It's just that sometimes it's kind of hard to match these up to a three-month interval.

Brian Weinstein

Understood. Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

From Stephens Inc., we have Drew Jones on the line. Please go ahead.

Garrett Phelps

Good morning this is actually Garrett on for Drew. Thanks for taking the questions. So first, just talking about the dairy distribution agreement with large manufacturer, is that something where you saw increased penetration in the markets where you're selling or maybe expansion into new markets and then could you talk about the opportunities with that partnership going forward?

Jim Herbert

Thank you. Good to hear from you. We've identified always that as we looked at animal proteins coming into the marketplace that dairy was a good place to be. We'll never see the dairy business integrated to the extent that chickens and eggs and milk and pork have been, but because it takes more land mass.

So there's a lot of opportunities on the dairy side. We do some things all the way back down to -- we've got a major program going for dairy, have a replacement program through our genomics operation where we're actually able to take samples from a week old calf and tell the dairyman which calves he should save as replacements to go back in his herd.

And that goes all the way through to the milk parlor where we are one of the two largest suppliers of diagnostic tests on a worldwide basis for the detection of antibiotic residues that would be in milk at the first point of receipt from the farm.

And we've got all of the area in between. This was the case where fortunately our reputation had preceded us and this is an international based company that has some distributors here that they were selling some of their milk processing products through and they said, we've got these products and we're not doing as good in distribution as we would like to do.

We would like for you to consider taking these over and handling distribution for us. So it's costing us a little bit. Not much, it's costing a little bit of royalty to do that and they've handed over that book of business to us and we'll grow that business, we'll build on it.

So it's another opportunity for us to get to the dairyman and this gets us back really back to the dairy farm. We have a focus on all those dairy operations that have more than 500 head of cattle and this kind of fits in the middle of it. So we were pleased to be able to pick that up.

I hope that answers your question. It was almost a political answer as long as it took me to answer, but I've been listening to the politicians lately trying to see if I can talk long and say nothing like they do.

Garrett Phelps

I guess and then just a second question on the partnership with Illumina, if you could give us some little bit more detail on where that's going and if you’ve really seen that start to pull through in it at all and thanks.

Jim Herbert

Yes, no thank you. Both -- that's another good question. Frankly, the Alumina thing has not progressed as fast as I thought it was. The quick background for those that don't know, we have our own bioinformatics that we develop a number of areas and we work with Illumina and to put those our bioinformatics on a chip then we use their chip to be able to run samples to determine the -- run the raw data in order to get our genomics out.

The prior year two, we had been buying those chips from Illumina and then running them ourselves or in some cases selling those chips to somebody else to run on an Illumina instrument or it was markets that we couldn’t reach for one reason or another.

And Illumina said that they’d really like to sell those chips themselves and we said that’s great but, this is our proprietary genomics, it’s own and so we formed what I think still believe is to good relationship. It’s our genomics and their chip and they’re going to sell them to somebody else and we can dictate who that’s not going to be and they sell them to somebody else and we get essentially some percent of the profits pending upon several things in the factor.

So, bottom line if it worked right, it would have not made any difference when compared to the prior year and which we had to grow sales and then add profits.

It's not quite kept where it was a year ago. So if I compare to bottom line this year to bottom line last year, it's probably behind a little bit, but a part of that was just getting the Illumina sales force around the world squared away. So, we continue to believe it was a good relationship and will be a good relationship that we can go forward with.

Garrett Phelps

Thanks.

Operator

From Janney Montgomery, we have Paul Knight on the line. Please go ahead.

Paul Knight

Hi, Jim. Could you talk to based on your experience, how long it takes to get this pricing cost structure put through the system and is it a quarter, is it six months, could you put what you think the timing is on a adjustment of a more normalized margin?

Jim Herbert

Paul, I'd be quick to do that if you could tell me what's going to happen to the dollar versus the peso and the Real for the next six months. I'll let you, I [emphasize] [ph] and I apologize for that. A big part of it is really, we can't stand by and let -- we've got a competitor that's in Germany that would like to have part of our business that we've got in EU, and make their product there.

They make it under EU costs and we make ours under U.S. dollar and ship it over there and they've got -- they can keep their gross margins and they've got an advantage. Well we can't stand by and let them have that.

So in some cases we're adjusting prices I mentioned earlier to take that into account and we will have to continue to do that because whether it's our own operations or our strong distributors that have been our partners for years, we can't let them get beat up in the marketplace.

So I don't know how much longer we'll have to do that because I don't know what's going to happen to the currency. Steve said we think we can see it stopping a little bit. We're hedging. We didn't talk about our hedging program, but it's beneficial and we probably need to figure out equation to do a little bit more of that to protect us.

But that goes to the other -- at the bottom line. So you don't see what happens to hedging as it relates to the operating side or the gross margin certainly of the business. So I guess I don't know what the answer is.

We'll play the hand that's dealt us and we're in a strong position. We're generating growth at the top I think pretty good growth at the bottom line matched it. We would like to be doing better. I don't like particular our operating margins, but I talked a little bit about how I think we can get that up.

I don't know, but I think we're okay. It's not where I would like to be, but I think this day in time if you take in the currency conversions, if you can grow the top and bottom line at 12% or better each quarter, that's probably okay.

Paul Knight

Yeah, and then may be within the side area was sited, I know in your press release and you comments, but what was this big number behind the big growth in rodenticides?

Jim Herbert

We bought in some new products, some new -- I’m trying to remember now, I think we got six different technical that impact legal dosage for rats and mice in different ways. Some cases they are anti-coagulants and some cases they prevent the synopsis of the nerve system.

You keep looking at those because those populations have a little bit of memory I guess. One guy can remember, one of those rats can remember Uncle Harry ate that and died. So I don’t want to eat that anymore. So you got to give him something new to eat, but I think that's helped us.

I think we’ve gained against competition. I don’t think there has been any real increase in marketplace and we’ve got a couple of people out there that are in the rodenticide business that have opted not to be their own manufacturer and so we picked up some commercial business OEM kind of contract manufacturing business has been helpful to us and we can make product for somebody else and let them sell it and particularly if they go into marketplace where we don’t reach and we can sell be okay.

So it’s not quite the same margin and we talk about margins. It’s not quite the same margin we would have if we sold it direct to the end user, but we still make very respectable margins. So we don’t have the sales, marketing expense attached to it. I don’t know if that answer the question.

Paul Knight

Yes, thank you and then lastly, on the tax rate, I guess Steve, we should take it back to a normalized 34%-35% per the May quarter?

Steve Quinlan

It might be just a little better than that, Paul. It might be in the 32%-33% and then kind of normalizing next year in that 35%ish.

Paul Knight

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

From Craig-Hallum, we have Charles Huff on the line. Please go ahead.

Charles Huff

Hi guys thanks for taking my questions. I had a couple more questions on the DNA and GeneSeek business. So the GeneSeek revenues were up 24% in Lincoln. What were the GeneSeek revenues in Europe?

Jim Herbert

Steve you got that? It's a very good question, Charles. We fold them together for our own internal purposes, but I can't remember what that number was. It's just beginning to get started good over there. It started earlier in the quarter. We begin to move some stuff earlier in the quarter. So I don't know they've got them at their finger tips just haven't got the right finger tips over here.

Charles Huff

How about on volume growth for GeneSeek? Do you have a number for that in the quarter?

Jim Herbert

Yes I can give you a ballpark figure. Last year in our last fiscal year, we did just slightly over one million samples and we’re now at a current run rate, I don’t know exactly what we’ve done on a year-to-date sample wise, but we’re for the last quarter, we were on a run rate to do at least a million and half. So that would say that if we can continue this run rate that would be talking about 2% increase.

Charles Huff

Okay.

Jim Herbert

But some of those are not the same margins. We get a different margin for genomic work that we do for -- if it's looking at a high price pedigree bull that they want everything on compared to trying to decide to help the poultry guys decide which chickens to save for the next generation of stock for poultry breeding but they are all profitable.

Charles Huff

Okay. And then I had a question for you on the Mycotoxin and natural toxin allergen line, I think correct me if I’m wrong, but I think in the fourth quarter of fiscal '15, you had a negative 6% growth or so. So you have kind of an easy year-over-year comparison there.

How should we be thinking about that line for the fourth quarter? Should kind of blending the two quarters together be -- kind of closer to your long-term Mycotoxin number? Or I know it's bounced around a lot in terms of the crop, the cleanliness of the crop and so forth. But any guess that you could give us on the fourth quarter?

Jim Herbert

You did and this is a good question. The crop this year was there is five mycotoxins that are of major importance really two that we talk most about. One is Aflatoxin which affects you in the hot, humid weather and dry weather and the other one is DON vomitoxin that affects small grains that happens when you get in cold wet weather in different times of the year.

We have to look to it in Northern and Southern Hemisphere, we’re just strong in Brazil. So that helps us from the Southern Hemisphere crop. I would say that this crop in general, the crop is cleaner this year that, the harvest, the one that we just harvested in North America is Northern Hemispheres cleaner than the one last year.

So I know there is not going to be lot of carry on there going into the -- as that grain begins to move out of the grain beans, vomitoxin that wheat is a problem, so that could keep us kind of at pace with last year fourth quarter.

Our guys have been -- we're doing, where budgets for New Year and they have been doing a lot of forecasting as we've set through those and trying to figure out where this year is going to end up and of course they got to forecast fourth quarter to do that. So, I don’t know. I think Steve you got handle on that number and may be slightly better than last year but not a lot.

Steve Quinlan

That’s probably a good estimate.

Jim Herbert

Depends on how much of that wheat and where it goes.

Charles Haff

Okay. Fair enough. Well, thanks for taking my questions.

Jim Herbert

No. Thank you for the questions.

Steve Quinlan

And Charles this is Steve, genomics revenue in Europe was essentially flat with last year.

Charles Haff

Okay. And you didn't have the Ayr, Scotland facility up and running last year, right?

Jim Herbert

No, it was not. We were doing some -- we were bringing samples through there and actually doing some sample extraction. So we would have been taking Ayr but regards whatever and extracted in DNA. I've send in a DNA to Lincoln and then the results coming back. So there would have been some revenues generated there, but nothing like what we're doing now.

Charles Haff

Okay. Great. Thanks guys.

Jim Herbert

Thanks Charles.

Operator

From ROTH Capital Partners we have Tony Brenner online. Please go ahead.

Tony Brenner

Thank you. Good morning. Steve, do you have what international sales as a percent of revenues were in the quarter versus a year ago?

Jim Herbert

We sure do.

Steve Quinlan

It was 33.3% and last year they were 36.4%.

Tony Brenner

I know that 33.3% could you break out Brazil and Mexico as a portion of that?

Jim Herbert

Well we've to do a little math Tony, but we can get there.

Tony Brenner

I know you're capable.

Jim Herbert

That's one reason. Of course the international was growing. It's not growing as fast as domestic and Tony as you've heard us say before, we think that two thirds at least two thirds of our opportunity lies outside of the U.S. So that's the reason for talking about Lab M in Central England and the reason we're talking about what we're doing with Ayr.

That's the reason we're talking about pushing for India. We're really -- I'm excited about India and I think we'll start to turn the screws pretty quick there, but India that market is still pretty undeveloped and we're in the last testing business down and I decided to use that as a springboard to get our…

Tony Brenner

While Steve is playing with his Abacus, Jim, will you be making additional acquisitions in India short term or this is how it's turning around?

Jim Herbert

Well, not short term, but we would like to do that. It's kind of in our strategy. India is really lots of countries where we're not very well connected. You can fly back and forth. You can drive back and forth. So probably as we on the Southwest Coast which we think is pretty important is where we selected that because there is a lot of product going export out of there that’s a big export market for a lot of spices.

McCormick has a huge operation there and there is some other things there, but if you can’t get out of the Northeast, then it’s hard to get there. So we will use a springboard of some kind whether it's being able to tie up with a strong distributor that gets strong as nobody is stronger right now, is a pure distributor or whether we'll need to use a testing lab. It’s a springboard like we’re doing in the south.

Tony Brenner

But you don't need to do that in order to turn the corner?

Jim Herbert

No, no. We will be profitable in what we've got and I think we will see some profitable months here in the next couple months, but it won't be profitable for the year.

Steve Quinlan

Tony, that number is about 15% of the 33%

Tony Brenner

Do you have first half?

Jim Herbert

No, no 15% of the 33%.

Tony Brenner

Oh, of the 33. I've got it.

Jim Herbert

The strong spot there is distributer sales, still out of the U.K. you should remember that number. I've been through it back and forth for the last week, but I think $16 million $18 million there for distributer sales in the EU.

We managed that through Ayr through our Neogen Europe operation because we're sitting right in the middle of the same time zone and we've got a group just a really fine group of sales and marketing people that handle those EU countries.

So that can -- and we're going to I mentioned I think in my comments that we wanted to increase our distribution in the EU. We're in every country, but there's a few where we aren't near as strong as we ought to be and yet there's potential there.

Tony Brenner

Okay. Thank you very much.

Jim Herbert

Well thank you, Tony.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And from Hilliard Lyons, we have Kurt Kemper on the line. Please go ahead.

Kurt Kemper

Hey guys, thanks for taking my questions. A quick one for Steve. Do you have how much Virbac added to the top line this quarter?

Steve Quinlan

Virbac was pretty minimal, Kurt. We really bought formulations more than active sales.

Jim Herbert

We've got some inventory. We've got I don't know. I'm going to work with memory, but total revenues that came from that is probably under $2 million as far as the sales and it's -- correct me if I'm wrong Steve, but mostly that was important just because of the registrations of the technical material they had plus some awful good permits.

So we've got opportunities to go to U.S. Canada and Mexico with some products that we didn't have before and in particular in Mexico and Central America they needed an extra rodenticide technical or two because they didn't have enough products for rotation.

So that will have an impact for us. It was strategic, didn't do a lot for top line, bottom line. Probably did more, hurt the bottom line than it did anything else in the first quarter because we had to expense all of it and put it on board, but it was a good acquisition and we continue to have relationship with Virbac. In fact we produce another product or two for them on an OEM basis, so we're friends.

Kurt Kemper

Okay. And then last question for regarding GeneSeek, are you starting to see some small producers come on board or at least become more interested as cost decrease to them?

Jim Herbert

Yes and that business is all over, we do business with 11 major beef breeds in the United States. We’ve got exclusive for 10 of the 11 and we share American Angus with another firm. So that's pedigree type stuff package.

Where we see the real growth opportunity is in helping producers select the right replacement animals to go into their herds and dairy is pretty important.

50% U.K. is going to be pretty and you’re going to need to save about half of those for replacement. So which half do you save in this genomic test, which is out there somewhere in the range of $25 is pretty easy to run a test on those that you can't look at them phenotypically when she's a week old or even look at her mother and tell whether she's got the right genetics or not.

So that is going to grow, I think it’s clearly going to grow. How fast will it grow I think some of it has to do what the male prices are.

The beef side it’s growing big on the beef side for the same reasons and as we expand that market, we’ve got a new program that we're putting in place in Brazil. It's going to be really exciting some things that we’re doing down there.

That's a different breed of cattle down there than the old cattle. You'll remember what Brahman Cattle look like. They're more like Brahman Cattle than what Black Angus cattle would look like.

So the genomics is different. Nobody has really got a handle on that. But that is going to be -- they're going to continue to be one of the important suppliers of beef to the world. So we’re excited. We’ve been down there for the last couple of weeks again working with our people on the genomics side. So we’re excited about where that sits. It’s good, I just don't know how fast it will grow.

Kurt Kemper

Okay. All right, thank you guys.

Operator

And from Great Lakes Review, we have David Stratton on the line. Please go ahead.

David Stratton

Hi thanks for taking the call. I just had a quick question regarding the veterinary instruments and the decline. When is that expected to stop? It's been going down over the last I guess quarter and what are the drivers and when will that turn around?

Steve Quinlan

Actually, the vet instruments have been pretty strong this quarter in particular, there was a decline. So they're flat year-to-date, but the first two quarters of the year they were actually up. It's a very strong product line for the company and we see growth going forward for that product line.

Jim Herbert

Yeah, if you remember back we made three key acquisitions there over the course of the last two or three year's, which make us the King bird of vet instrument manufacturing in the U.S. and the right products and the right distribution system.

There are a few products that we make for suppliers. Their vaccines or medications and we may make a product for them that they include and give it away free to their customers. I suspect and I should know this, but I suspect that the decline that we're looking at there might be as a result of not loss of market share but just difference in perhaps some big orders that might have come in for that companion product stuff a year ago compared to where we are now.

We're busy. We're adding some new products there. We've got to spent some time this week looking at new instrument products. So to say well how do you how many more ways can you get an animal treated, poured it on the top, stick it down their throat, stick it through a needle. There's still other ways to do that. So it's a fun business and we'll continue to grow it.

David Stratton

All right. And then on the line of new products in general not just veterinary instruments, but can you talk about new products that may be upcoming or products that have been really strong recently?

Jim Herbert

I can't talk a lot about what's upcoming because all my competitors are listening to this phone call what we talk to you, but we’ll continue to grow on from several places. We’ve talked about what we're doing on the rodenticides and there are some new products coming there.

We’ll do some new products on the cleaner and disinfect side. We’ll introduce and I am thinking now back about the biosecurity area on animal safety. We're doing some new things. It’s going to be fun on the insecticide side, which is a part of the biosecurity.

Over on the food safety side for diagnostic products, we’ve got several new products that are coming down for diagnostics. They're going to be used for the same purpose, but they’ll either be easier to use or more accurate or cheaper to the end user.

So we’ve got 74 people and I’m not sure that even includes all of our engineers that we’ve got Steve while we're on the Primatech side, but we’ve got at least that many and we’re right now in the final focus of what they're going to start up as new products for next year and they think that’s part of our budgeting session tomorrow.

So, I’m pretty excited, continue to be pretty excited about there being opportunities for us. As an example somebody has got to do something about GMOs. If you've been listening to that story, do you label all products that have GMO content or do you label those that don’t have them and somebody has got to have a better taste that what we’ve got now.

We’re in that market but not -- it’s not a strong market for us, but some of those issues that are coming along are going to invite new products. There will be some new allergens.

Rick Calk

Yes I will go ahead, I’m sorry.

Jim Herbert

No there will be some new allergens. We’ve got -- I don’t know what it is now. Rick 13 or 14 different ones, but we’ve got -- we’ve got two or three more that we don’t have. Somebody wants one separate for cashew. It’s in our tree nut product with somebody wants to make cashew milk for some reasons. So they’ll go back and make one there and we're just -- if somebody wants we're going to try to help them.

David Stratton

All right. Thank you and then I guess one last housekeeping question, do you have your cash flow from operations number for us?

Steve Quinlan

Yes that should have been it was about $7.1 million for the quarter.

David Stratton

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

From Sio Capital, we have Michael Castor on the line. Please go ahead.

Michael Castor

Thanks very much. Two financial questions. The first is I think you said you had $182,000 of hedging gains and the operating income or the other operating income line was positive $385. I'm used to seeing that run zero or a little bit negative excluding the FX.

So what was the plus $200,000 in there and what will that be on a normal basis, if you exclude all hedging gains? And the second financial question was with the lower tax rate this quarter without one-time or well better way to ask it is just a normal tax rate excluding this year from the benefit what's the tax rate normally going forward?

Steve Quinlan

All right let's do the tax one first. So this quarter, we were able to use some R&D credits and we'll be able to use some more in the fourth quarter that will take our effective rate in the 30%, let's call it 33% effective rate.

Going forward, we'll be back to we'll still be getting benefit from R&D, but we won't be getting any past year benefits. So we'll probably be up in the 35.5% somewhere in there 35.5% kind of more our normal rate.

Your question about what's in other income, we have royalty income that flows through our other income and what you saw in the press release, there's also interest income in that line item.

Michael Castor

Very much.

Steve Quinlan

Not very much, but those are the two pieces of other income that are inside of that number that you can’t see.

Michael Castor

So for other, if there were no hedging gains or losses going forward, what would the normal level of that be?

Steve Quinlan

Well for this quarter, the interest income was $120,000, royalty income was somewhere in the, call it $50,000. So excluding anything currency wise. you're somewhere in the $150,000 to $200,000 and those fluctuate obviously. but those are the numbers.

Michael Castor

Great. Thank you very much.

Steve Quinlan

Sure.

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time. We will now turn it back to Mr. Jim Herbert for final remarks.

Jim Herbert

Well thanks very much. Thanks for those of you who are on the call and your continuing interest in what we’re doing and we will keep you posted as new developments occur. Have a good week and Spring is here. Thanks.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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