American Financial's (AFG) CEO Carl Lindner on Q2 2016 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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American Financial Group, Inc. (NYSE:AFG)

Q2 2016 Earnings Conference Call

August 03, 2016, 11:30 ET

Executives

Diane Weidner - Assistant VP, IR

Carl Lindner - Co-CEO

Craig Linder - Co-CEO

Jeff Consolino - EVP & CFO

Analysts

Amit Kumar - Macquarie Research Equities

Ryan Byrnes - Janney Capital Markets

Jay Cohen - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Operator

Welcome to the American Financial Group 2016 Second Quarter Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the call over to Diane Weidner. You may begin.

Diane Weidner

Good morning and welcome to American Financial Group's second quarter 2016 earnings results conference call. I'm joined this morning by Carl Lindner III and Craig Lindner, Co-CEOs of American Financial Group and Jeff Consolino, AFG's EVP and Chief Financial Officer. If you are viewing the webcast from our website, you can follow along with the slide presentation, if you'd like. Certain statements made during this call are not historical facts and may be considered forward-looking statements and are based on estimates, assumptions and projections which management believes are reasonable but, by their nature, subject to risks and uncertainties.

The factors which could cause actual results and/or financial conditions to differ materially from those suggested by such forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, those discussed or identified from time to time in AFG's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. We do not promise to update such forward-looking statements to reflect actual results or changes in assumptions or other factors that could affect these statements.

Core net operating earnings is a non-GAAP financial measure which sets aside significant items that are generally not considered to be part of ongoing operations, such as realized gains and losses, discontinued operations, as well as other significant items that are not able to be estimated with reasonable precision or that may not be indicative of ongoing operations. AFG believes this non-GAAP measure is a useful tool for analysts and investors in analyzing ongoing operating trends and will be discussed for various periods during this call.

A reconciliation of net earnings attributable to shareholders to core net operating earnings is included in our earnings release. If you are reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy. Thus, it may contain factual or transcription errors that could materially alter the intent or meaning of our statements.

Now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Carl Lindner III to discuss our results.

Carl Lindner

Good morning. We released our 2016 second quarter results yesterday afternoon. I'm assuming that our participants have reviewed our earnings release and the investor supplement posted on our website. I'm going to begin on slide 3 of the webcast slides. We're pleased to report core earnings per share of $1.28, equal to last year's second quarter core results. We believe the results in the quarter showcase the value and the diversity of our portfolio of specialty property and casualty and annuity businesses. Annualized core operating return on equity was 10.5% for the second quarter, compared to 10.9% in the second quarter of last year.

Net earnings per diluted share were $0.62 and this includes a $0.73 per share charge related to the lines of business that our Lloyd's of London operation, Neon, has exited and $0.11 per share for realized losses on securities. Those were partially offset by a gain of $0.17 per share related to the sale of an apartment property and a small adjustment to the loss on the sale on AFG's long term care business. Last Monday we announced that AFG had entered into a merger agreement with National Interstate to acquire the remaining 49% of the outstanding shares of National Interstate it does not own for $32 per share plus a preclosing dividend of $0.50 per share, valuing the transaction at about $320 million.

We're pleased to have reached this agreement. We know National Interstate's business well and have confidence in its management team. Today it is one of the largest businesses within our specialty property and casualty group. By acquiring their remaining minority shares, we'll simplify our ownership structure and recognize, also, a non-core tax benefit of approximately $64 million upon the closing of the transaction which we expect to be in the fourth quarter of this year. Importantly, we're pleased that the National Interstate shareholders will have the opportunity to vote on and approve this transaction.

We do have a commitment to vote in favor of the merger from a 10% shareholder, who is the largest shareholder other than AFG. We repurchased $21 million of AFG's common shares during the second quarter at an average price per share of $68.31. Our repurchase activity was dampened by the National Interstate negotiations which had us out of the market for a large part of the quarter. As discussed earlier, during the second quarter of 2016, AFG's specialist Lloyd's market insurer completed a strategic review of its business under a new leadership team and relaunched as Neon Underwriting, Ltd. on June 13, 2016.

As part of its strategic review, Neon sold and/or exited certain historical lines of business, including its UK and international medical malpractice and general liability classes. As a result of Neon's claims review of its exited lines of business, AFG recorded a non-core charge of $65 million to increase loss reserves, primarily related to its medical malpractice and general liability lines, as well as to record charges in connection with restructuring the business. We're maintaining our 2016 core operating earnings guidance for AFG in the range of $5.35 to $5.75 per share. Craig and I will discuss our guidance for each section of our business later in the call.

Now let's take a closer look at AFG's results for this quarter. Please turn to slides 4 and 5 of the webcast which include an overview of results in our specialty property and casualty operations. Beginning on slide 4, you'll see that gross and net written premiums were up 6% and 3%, respectively, in the 2016 second quarter compared to the same quarter a year earlier. Second quarter underwriting profit was up 24% year over year. Higher profitability in our property and transportation group was partially offset by lower underwriting profitability in our specialty casualty and specialty financial groups.

Second quarter 2016 combined ratio of 93.9% improved 1 point when compared to the 2015 second quarter and included 2.9 points of favorable prior-year reserve development and 2 points in catastrophe losses. Overall renewal pricing in our specialty property and casualty group was flat during the second quarter. Now I'd like to turn to slide 5 to review a few highlights from each of our specialty property and casualty business groups. Our property and transportation group reported second quarter underwriting profitability of $15 million, compared to an underwriting loss of $13 million in the prior-year period. Higher underwriting profits in our property and inland marine and transportation businesses, primarily due to favorable prior-year reserve development, were the drivers of the improved results.

Catastrophe losses were $12 million for this group during the second quarter, primarily the result of April storms in Texas. In the comparable prior-year period, catastrophe losses were $7 million. Growing conditions for corn and soybean crops remain favorable so far this year. The condition of these crops is reported to be in line or better with results at this time last year. Soybean pricing is up 7%, 8% from spring discovery pricing, while corn is down about 13.5%. Fluctuations at these levels don't concern us. Gross and net written premiums for the second quarter of 2016 were 8% and 6% higher, respectively, than the comparable 2015 period.

New premium from our Singapore branch which opened for business in June of last year and higher year-over-year premiums in our agricultural businesses, primarily the result of timing differences in the recording of crop premiums, were the primary drivers of the increase. If you exclude crop, gross and net written premiums both increased 3% over the comparable prior-year period. Overall renewal rates in this group increased 3% on average for the second quarter of 2016 which included a 4% increase in National Interstate's renewal rates. Second quarter 2016 underwriting profitability in our specialty casualty group declined $14 million year over year.

I'm especially pleased with the profitability within our workers' compensation and executive liability businesses during the second quarter. These results helped to offset current accident year losses in Neon's political risk and trade credit business and higher adverse prior-year reserve development in our E&S businesses. The majority of the businesses in this group reported modest growth in the second quarter. Gross written premiums for the second quarter of 2016 increased 4% and net written premiums were flat when compared to the second quarter of 2015.

Higher premiums in our workers' comp and targeted markets businesses were partially offset by lower premiums in our E&S and general liability businesses. Net written premiums were impacted by the cession of Neon's UK medical malpractice business. Renewal pricing for this group decreased 2% in the second quarter, including a decrease of approximately 4% in our workers' comp businesses. If you exclude comp, renewal pricing for the specialty casualty group was flat on average for the quarter.

Underwriting profit in our specialty financial group was slightly lower year over year. Nearly all the businesses in this group continued to achieve excellent underwriting margins during the quarter. Gross and net written premiums for the second quarter were up 10% and 6%, respectively, when compared to the same 2015 period, primarily as a result of higher premiums in our financial institutions business. Renewal pricing in the group was flat for the quarter. Now if you'd please turn to slide 6 for a summary view of our 2016 outlook for the specialty property and casualty operations.

Although we continue to expect an overall combined ratio between 92% and 94%, we've adjusted our estimates for the combined ratios within each of our specialty property and casualty groups. We've also adjusted our estimate for overall growth in net written premiums to be in a range of 1% to 5%, down slightly from a growth of 2% to 6% estimated previously. In the property and transportation group, we now estimate a combined ratio in the range of 93% to 96% which narrowed a bit from our previous estimate of 93% to 97%. We now expect growth in net written premiums in this group to be between 1% and 5%, a decrease from the previous range of 4% to 8%.

Net written premiums year to date in this group have grown 5% excluding our crop business. And we expect crop premiums to be about 5% lower this year versus 2015. Our specialty casualty group is now expected to produce a combined ratio in the range of 93% to 95%, slightly higher than the range of 92% to 94% estimated previously. Net written premiums are now expected to be flat to up 4%, a slight decline from the previous expectations of 1% to 5%. The combined ratio in our specialty financial group is now estimated to be in the range of 83% to 86%, an improvement from the range of 84% to 88% shared last quarter. Growth in net written premiums in this group is estimated to be in a range of 5% to 9%, an increase from our initial range of 3% to 7%, primarily as a growth in our financial institutions business. Details for each of our specialty property and casualty groups can be found on the slide.

I'll now turn the discussion over to Craig to review the results in our annuities segment and talk about AFG's investment performance.

Craig Linder

Thank you, Carl. I'll start with a review of our annuity results for the second quarter, beginning on slide 7. The annuity segment recorded $76 million in pretax operating earnings in the 2016 second quarter compared to $88 million reported in the second quarter of 2015. Although the reported earnings are down about 14%, our business fundamentals remain strong. It's important to note that the decrease from last year's reported earnings is driven by the impact of fair value accounting.

Under fair value accounting, variances from expectations of certain items, such as projected interest rates, hedge costs and surrenders, as well as changes in the stock market, have an impact on the accounting for fixed indexed annuities. Although these accounting adjustments have been recognized through AFG's reported core earnings, many of these adjustments are not economic in nature but rather impact the timing of reported results. In the second quarter of 2016, medium- to long term interest rates decreased approximately 30 to 40 basis points compared to our expectation that they would increase slightly. This contributed to a $26 million unfavorable impact on pretax earnings. Conversely, in the second quarter of 2015, interest rates rose significantly, resulting in a favorable impact on pretax earnings.

This favorable result was partially offset by the impact of a stock market decrease during the quarter. Annuity earnings before the impact of fair value accounting were $102 million during the second quarter of 2016, a 32% increase from the comparable 2015 period. AFG's second quarter 2016 earnings benefited from favorable investment results, including the positive impact of certain investments required to be marked-to-market through earnings, as well as growth in annuity assets, as shown on slide 8. AFG's quarterly average annuity investments and reserves grew by 13% and 14% year over year, respectively. The benefit of this growth was partially offset by the runoff of higher-yielding investments.

We continue to achieve appropriate returns on new business and the interest spread on our in-force business continues to exceed our plan by several basis points. Furthermore, if interest rates continue to remain low for an extended period of time, AFG has the ability to reduce the average crediting rate at approximately $21 billion of traditional fixed and fixed-indexed annuities by approximately 75 basis points. AFG's annuity premiums grew 22% year over year in the second quarter to $1.1 billion due primarily to growth in fixed indexed and traditional fixed annuity sales in the financial institutions channel. We believe AFG's growth in fixed index and traditional fixed annuity sales is consistent with the overall growth in the annuity industry, as sales of these annuities have increased, while the sales of variable annuities have decreased.

We believe AFG's increase in annuity premiums is also the result of new products, additional staffing and increased market share within existing financial institutions. Additionally, we have reduced the crediting rate on new annuity sales several times in 2016 due to the decline in interest rates. These reductions, once announced, often lead to a short term spike in sales in advance of the effective date of the rate decreases. Additional information can also be found in AFG's quarterly investor supplement posted on our website.

Please turn to slide 9 for a summary of the 2016 outlook for the annuity segment. We continue to be committed to disciplined pricing of our products, consumer-friendly product design, careful expense management and growing our business when we can achieve desired long term returns. Due to the strong results in the first six months of 2016, AFG is increasing its expectations for earnings before fair value accounting for fixed indexed annuities to a range of $370 million to $385 million. This is up from AFG's original expectation of $350 million to $370 million.

Due to the higher than expected negative impact of fair value accounting, offset in large part by our strong pre fair value accounting results through the first six months of 2016, we now believe that full-year 2016 pretax annuity operating earnings will be in the range of $305 million to $340 million, a slight decrease from the previous guidance. Based on premiums recorded through the first half of the year and our recent level of sales, we now expect that premiums for the full year of 2016 will be in line with the $4.1 billion sold in 2015. Significant changes in interest rates and/or the stock market as compared to our expectations could lead to additional positive or negative impacts on the annuity segment's results.

In April, the Department of Labor issued the final version of its fiduciary rule that will impose additional requirements on the sale of certain annuities, including indexed annuities to retirement accounts, including IRAs. It is expected that all carriers will experience some impact when the rule takes effect in 2017, including temporary sales disruption during a transition period. Based on our analysis of the rule and discussions with our distribution partners, we're planning for certain changes to our business model, including new products and compensation arrangements. We believe these changes should allow most of our current distribution partners to continue to sell our traditional fixed and fixed indexed annuities. About half of our annuity sales are qualified and, therefore, subject to the new rules.

We believe the biggest impact to AFG will be on sales of fixed index annuities by non-registered representatives in our retail channel. Sales by non-registered reps through this channel represented about 10% of our annuity sales in the second quarter of 2016. We continue to believe our business model makes us less vulnerable to the rule than many of our competitors for several reasons. Our sales of variable annuity products are minimal. Furthermore, these products are sold in the 403(b) market which is excluded from the Department of Labor regulation. Our insurance companies have higher financial strength ratings than many of our competitors. Many of our fixed indexed annuity products have a simpler product design with shorter surrender charge periods, lower conditions and trail condition options.

And finally, our distribution channels include banks, broker-dealers, registered investment advisors and large national marketing organizations that will be best positioned to comply with the more rigorous compliance standards. Based on our analysis, we do not believe the implementation of the final DOL rule will have a material impact on the Company's results of operations. Please turn to slide 11 for a few highlights regarding our $41 billion investment portfolio. AFG recorded second quarter 2016 net realized losses on securities of $10 million after tax and after deferred acquisition costs, compared to net realized losses of less than $1 million in the comparable prior-year period.

As of June 30, 2016, unrealized gains on fixed maturities were $639 million after tax, after DAC. And unrealized gains on equities were $46 million after tax. In April of 2016, AFG sold an apartment property in Pittsburgh that was owned and managed by a subsidiary of Great American Insurance Company. As a result of this sale, we recognized a non-core after-tax gain on the sale of $15 million. As you'll see on slide 12, our portfolio continues to be high quality with 89% of our fixed maturity portfolio rated investment grade and 97% with an NAIC designation of 1 or 2, its highest two categories. We've provided additional detailed information on the various segments of our investment portfolio and a quarterly investor supplement on our website.

I will now turn the discussion over to Jeff who will wrap up our comments with an overview of our consolidated second quarter 2016 results and share a few comments about capital and liquidity.

Jeff Consolino

Thank you, Craig. Slide 13 recaps AFG's second quarter consolidated results by segment. Core net operating earnings per share in the quarter were $1.28, in line with 2015's second quarter core results and also within the range of core earnings guidance of $1.25 to $1.30 announced on July 25. That $1.28 is based on core net operating earnings in the quarter of $113 million. You'll be able to see a more detailed view of these components on page 4 of our quarterly investor supplement.

The reconciliation of AFG's core net operating earnings to net earnings is detailed on slide 14. As Carl noted earlier, net earnings attributable to shareholders were $54 million or $0.62 per share in the quarter. As indicated on slide 15, AFG's adjusted book value per share was $50.22 at June 30, 2016. Adjusted tangible book value per share was $47.41, also at June 30, 2016. Our capital adequacy, financial condition and liquidity remain strong.

We maintain sufficient capital in our insurance businesses to meet our commitments to the rating agencies. Our excess capital stood at approximately $950 million at June 30, 2016. The National Interstate transaction provides the opportunity to deploy approximately $320 million of our excess capital later this year. As a reminder, we plan to hold approximately $200 million to $300 million as dry powder to maintain flexibility, especially in light of opportunities that may arise from industry disruption.

During the quarter, we returned $45 million to our shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. Approximately 4.6 million shares remain under our repurchase authorization as of August 2, 2016. We will plan to continue returning excess capital to our shareholders through the course of 2016 and review all opportunities for deployment of capital on a regular basis.

On slide 16, you can find a single-page summary of our 2016 core earnings guidance. As a reminder, AFG's 2016 core operating results exclude non-core items such as realized investment gains and losses and other significant items that may not be indicative of ongoing operations.

Now we'd like to open the lines for any questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Amit Kumar of Macquarie. Your line is open.

Amit Kumar

Just a few quick questions. The first question I have is on workers' compensation. Earlier today AIG in its results took an adjustment just based on the Bain CCI discussion on rate filings and some of the recent cases which have been decided. I did not hear you talk about the impact of those decisions on your book. Can you just talk about how you foresee that impacting your book? And would there be a need to take any reserve adjustments?

Carl Lindner

Our folks at Summit are specialists and they have a leading position in the Florida market. We think they're a pretty bright management group. One thing that they were very bright in doing was reserving conservatively over the last few years in the eventuality that the Castellanos and/or the Westphal cases would be decided against the industry. When we take a look at our reserve position, we feel that our reserves are adequate in Florida and for Summit and that our reserve position reflects the potential increase loss cost stemming from both Castellanos and Westphal.

So, from a reserve standpoint, we feel comfortable with our current reserve position. As far as the adequacy of Florida rates, it's really important for the stability of the Florida workers' comp market that the insurance commissioner approve the biggest part of the 19.6% rate increase that's been filed by the NCCI, because we feel, on a prospective going forward basis, that that level of rate is needed for adequacy in the Florida worker's comp market. From a pricing and from a future profitability standpoint, it's important to get the biggest part of that 19.6% rate increase that's filed by the NCCI.

Amit Kumar

And it does seem that at least this issue has snuck up on us very quickly, so that color is very helpful. The second question I had was on Neon. In terms of talking about the $65 million charge, you said that part of it was increased loss reserves and then the other was just the part for other stuff. Can you just talk a bit more about how we should think about, is it ring-fenced now with this charge and what exactly would happen going forward with this book?

Jeff Consolino

Neon is going through a transformational process led by a new management team. And in June, they rebranded from market formed in Neon under the new leadership team. We did take a restructuring charge in the quarter. That number you referred to is split between an increase in loss reserves and also a component contained in expenses for restructuring costs. You can see that in the release in the supplement. It's $57 million and $8 million, respectively.

The lines of business that constitute the Neon exited lines charge are lines of business that the new management team has exited. They have been shut down and in many cases sold on a renewal rights basis to other Lloyd's syndicates in the market. The result of our claims study for those exited lines led us to take the $57 million charge.

In terms of whether things are ring-fenced, I don't know exactly what that term means. It's certainly not a legal term or anything else. We have put up what we think are prudent reserves for those classes of business. But one can never say with any certainty what any reserve level is going to prove out to be. We feel like we did the right thing there and we'll continue to monitor the situation.

Amit Kumar

I didn't phrase it -- the choice of words was poor when I asked that question. That reserve number, is that the full limit to some of those outstanding claims? Or what exactly is that number? Or was there an actuarial study and it's the midpoint of the range or the higher end of the range? I'm just trying to understand what sort of noise could there be going forward. That's what I was trying to get to.

Jeff Consolino

Sure. At Neon we have quarterly actuarial views by our actuarial staff and annually we have outside reviews, as do all the syndicates at Lloyd's. In particular, this charge stems from a claims review. The $57 million is in UK medical malpractice, international medical malpractice and also the general liability classes which have been exited and in many cases sold.

To take an example, for one portfolio of medical malpractice business, there was a ground up claims review in that jurisdiction and looking at what the ground up experience was relative to our attachment points and our development patterns that we were seeing and that led to the reserve increase. This is the result of the new management team going in and looking very carefully at the exposures they have. So, that's the basis for the charge.

Amit Kumar

The final question and I will requeue after this, is obviously you are close to crossing the finish line with NATL. Can you help us understand, when we think about that going forward, what exactly will change? Obviously the book has had issues and you've talked about that in the past. But how should outside investors think about that going forward? And how should we think about the time line of improvement, the time line of benefit to the ROEs, et cetera, in terms of numbers down the road? That actually would be very helpful. That's all I have for now and I will requeue. Thank you.

Carl Lindner

Yes. Amit, it's our intention to run the business at double-digit returns over time. To get to that, generally, the combined ratio's got to be 95 or under. So, we're working very hard currently and we will be working very hard going forward at improving of profitability to the point where long term we'll have double-digit returns. It may not happen. It may take us a little bit [indiscernible], a couple years ago. But that's what our long term intention is. We look at it as one of the larger key parts of our specialty group. Did I cut out there? Amit?

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Byrnes of Janney. Your line is open.

Ryan Byrnes

Yes, you were cut out a little bit, but we could still hear you. But I want to shift a little bit over to the annuity side. Obviously it was a pretty strong quarter excluding the fair value adjustments. Just looking at the guidance for sales in the back half of the year, it implies a pretty significant slowdown. Is that simply due to the tough year-over-year comps or, again, is it any changes to maybe the pricing or the crediting rates that you guys are offering going forward?

Craig Linder

The biggest part of our forecast for the back half of the year is just that we've been very disciplined in pricing our product to get the right rate of return. And with the significant decline that we've experienced in interest rates since the end of the year, we've had multiple decreases in our credited rates.

Some of the competition hasn't been quite as quick to make adjustments to their credited rates as we have. That was our best guess of what the back half of the year is going to look like after we implemented the latest round of decreases in rates and have a look at the current level of applications that are coming in.

Ryan Byrnes

And then how proactively do you guys manage down the current in-force block. Again, if I look at it, I think you mentioned you could lower the whole block by 75 basis points. It seems to be stable in that area. I just wanted to figure out how actively you guys can or how actively you guys do manage it.

Craig Linder

We're starting to manage it very actively with rates having declined as significantly as they have. I will say we've tried to go very slow in reducing renewal rates. We've tried to be very fair with our customers. But with the big decline that we've seen in interest rates, we think it is prudent and fair to start making some adjustments to credited rates. I think we've been slower than many companies out there. And that's why the spread between our current credited rate and average GMIR is wider than most companies. But we're starting to take a look at that and we're starting to make some adjustments.

Ryan Byrnes

And then just quickly, for my last one, switching back to the property casualty side of the house, specialty financial growth, I think you increased your guidance there. And it's probably the lowest combined ratio segment there. I just want to get a little more color as to where that growth is coming from. It's been pretty consistent in the last six quarters or so. So, any color there would be great.

Carl Lindner

Yes. I think with some of the regulatory noise in that space and American Modern's exit from that market, I think we've had some opportunities to grow our business a little more than usual.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Jay Cohen of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Jay Cohen

Just some follow-up questions. In the property and transportation group, you had a decent amount of favorable reserve development. I'm wondering what drove that in the quarter.

Jeff Consolino

The prior period development mainly emanated from our property and inland marine division and also our transportation division within property and transportation.

Jay Cohen

Okay. And as I look at the accident year loss ratio, excluding catastrophes, would you expect, given potential improvement on the transportation side, specifically National Interstate and hopefully a reasonably stable crop business, taking in any weather, would you expect that to trend lower from here?

Jeff Consolino

A year ago in the second quarter of 2015, our underlying the combined ratio excluding cats in prior-year development -- was 100.2%. That's clearly not in the range that we hoped to operate. So you have had an improvement in the underlying combined year over year.

We're 4.4 points better at this point and that's been driven by National Interstate, property inland marine, our transportation business, as well as some of our other agricultural businesses. So, we've had some pretty good movement in a number of our segments there within property and transportation. As Carl said, we're still not entirely satisfied with where National Interstate is and some of our other units, but certainly we're trending in the right direction. And you're right to focus on property and transportation among our sub segments because that really drove the improvement in our quarterly underlying combined ratio relative to the other sub segments.

Jay Cohen

Yes. Although one other segment, let's switch gears or a second, the specialties financial segment has just been fantastic from a profitability standpoint and really quite consistent. I was wondering, you talked about growth being driven by the financial institutions business. Are there any factors behind that growth that's driving it or particular products that is driving that growth?

Carl Lindner

I think I mentioned that some of the regulatory disruption among some competitors, as well as American Modern's exit -- American Modern is located right here in Cincinnati -- their exit from that space clearly has provided us some opportunities.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. There are no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Diane Weidner for any closing remarks.

Diane Weidner

Thank you, Michelle. And thank you all for joining us this morning for our overview of our second quarter results. This will conclude our remarks for this morning.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

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