Platform Specialty Products Corp. (NYSE:PAH)
Q2 2016 Earnings Conference Call
August 08, 2016 08:30 A.M. ET
Carey Dorman - Director, Corporate Development
Rakesh Sachdev - CEO
Benjamin Gliklich - EVP, Operations and Strategy
Sanjiv Khattri - EVP and CFO
Scot Benson - President, Performance Solutions
Diego Lopez Casanello - President, Agricultural Solutions
Martin Franklin - Chairman
Ian Bennett - Bank of America
Daniel Jester - Citigroup
Edlain Rodriguez - UBS
Jonathan Tanwanteng - CJS Securities
Aleksey Yefremov - Nomura Securities International
Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Platform Specialty Products Corporation's Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.
I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference Mr. Carey Dorman, Director of Corporate Development. You may begin.
Good morning everyone and thank you for participating on our second quarter 2016 earnings call. Joining me this morning are our Chairman, Martin Franklin; our CEO, Rakesh Sachdev; CFO, Sanjiv Khattri; Ben Gliklich, our EVP of Operations and Strategy; Scot Benson, President of Performance Solutions; and Diego Lopez Casanello, President of Agricultural Solutions. Please note that in accordance with Regulation FD, or Fair Disclosure, we are webcasting this conference call. Any redistribution, retransmission, or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the express written consent of Platform is strictly prohibited.
Before we begin, please take note of Platform's cautionary statement regarding forward-looking statements in the press release and supplemental slides issued and posted today in connection with this conference call. Some of the statements made today will be considered forward-looking. All forward-looking statements are based on currently available information and Platform's reported results could differ materially from those predicted. Platform undertakes no obligation to update such statements as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
Please refer to Platform's SEC filings for a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results. Please note that in the press release and the supplemental slides, Platform has provided financial information that has not been prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. In accordance with Regulation G, Platform is providing reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP financial measures in both the press release and the supplemental slides which can both be found on Platform's website at www.platformspecialtyproducts.com in the Investor Relations section under Events and Presentations.
As a reminder, for the purpose of this call, Platform will be comparing the same periods of 2016 and 2015 on a comparable and comparable constant currency basis as management believes that these figures provide a better comparison and understanding of the underlying business results for its operations. Comparable information assumes full period of contribution of all of Platform's acquired businesses to date. Please review the press release and the supplemental slides for further information.
It is now my pleasure to introduce Rakesh Sachdev, Platform's CEO for opening remarks. Rakesh?
Thank you, Carey, and good morning. I am pleased to have the opportunity to update you on our second quarter results and provide some additional color on how the full-year is coming together. We are halfway through the year and I am happy to report that our businesses are performing well despite what has continued to be a challenging year for many of our key end markets.
As a company we have been dedicating significant energy towards positioning our businesses for growth and concurrently improving operating efficiencies through our integration efforts. In addition our priority of focusing on cash flow and our balance sheet remains unchanged. Finally as you saw earlier this morning in our press release, we have raised the bottom end of our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance by $10 million to a new range of $735 million to $775 million.
Now let's begin with our quarterly results. Page four of the web deck posted on our website shows highlights from our second quarter 2016 financial performance. Platform reported strong second quarter 2016 revenues of $922 million and adjusted EBITDA of $193 million representing 21% of sales. These results were broadly in line with our expectations and importantly gave us the confidence we needed to increase the lower-end of our adjusted EBITDA guidance for the full-year.
Sales grew 37% year-over-year, driven largely by our acquisitions. Excluding the impact of currency movements and a small divestiture in our Ag business, we grew sales organically by 1% in the quarter. While the organic growth number is below our medium term expectations for our businesses, I am relatively encouraged by our second quarter results given the weakness in several of our key end markets. Our business leaders Scot Benson and Diego Casanello continued to focus their teams on organic growth and I expect this focus will translate into results in the medium term.
Our GAAP EPS this quarter was negative $0.04 and diluted non-GAAP adjusted EPS was $0.16. The difference between these numbers is driven by purchase price amortization, restructuring expenses, and inter-company foreign exchange which are primarily non-cash. Our adjusted EPS uses book interest not cash interest, that difference understated adjusted EPS by $0.04 in the quarter. You can refer to the appendix for the detailed reconciliation.
Actual adjusted EBITDA grew 15% in the second quarter of 2016 compared to a year ago. The primary driver of this increase was the addition of the Alent and the OMG businesses earnings. Comparable adjusted EBITDA excluding the impact of currency declined 6%. This was primarily due to circumstances we flagged to you on our last call, namely our planned increase in corporate cost on a year-over-year basis, some pull forward into Q1 of European Ag sales, and continued softness in electronics demand. We also mentioned we were concerned about the North America Ag business and results in the North American region continued to lag the rest of our Ag business. We will go into more detail on this shortly.
Finally it is important to note that excluding the increase in corporate cost our comparable adjusted EBITDA margins would have been approximately flat year-over-year. Corporate cost increased $8 million due to continued investments in enterprise development. The investments we are currently making are laying the foundation for a long-term sustainable enterprise. Q2 of last year was a particularly small corporate spend quarter, which magnifies this increase. On the other hand the year-over-year increase in the next two quarters relative to the second half of 2015 should be modest.
Despite certain pockets of weak performance we believe that our businesses overall are showing their resilience in these growth starved times for our key industries. We have continued to manage cost well, and are seeing many quantitative and qualitative wins with our integration efforts. You will hear later that our run rate synergies for our Ag business are only about $10 million shy of our three year target and we are only one and half years into that integration. We expect similar successes with performance solutions as they continue to integrate Alent and the OMG businesses.
These cost savings only tell a part of the synergy and integration story. As we have said before, the acquisitions that we have made are presenting above market growth opportunities. We are realigning our sales forces to increasingly focus on customer solutions, making new but modest CAPEX investments, restructuring some of our partnerships, and increasing our focus on key strategic segments. The results of these efforts would not happen overnight but I am encouraged by our progress.
You will see on page 5 our performance solutions segment reported second quarter 2016 revenue of $438 million and adjusted EBITDA of $98 million. Revenue was down 4% over the comparable 2015 sales number, part of this decline was driven by the strength of the dollar particularly against the Chinese yuan and the British pound. Excluding the impact of currency, organic sales declined 2% driven primarily by weak demand from oil and gas end markets and continued softness in the electronics business in Asia.
We still expect the electronics demand picture to begin to turn in the second half of the year. Combined with some share gains that we are already seeing, I expect an improvement in the second half. Sales benefitted from another quarter of solid automotive units globally and strength in our graphics business as we won new business with some existing customers.
Excluding the impact of increased corporate allocations constant currency adjusted EBITDA of our performance solutions business increased 8% despite modest pressure on the top line in the quarter. This led to a more than 200 basis point increase in margins on a comparable constant currency basis driven by synergy realization and business efficiencies. The integration of Alent and OMG businesses are going well and you will hear more about that from Ben Gliklich shortly.
On page 6, the Agricultural Solutions segment reported second quarter 2016 revenue of $484 million and adjusted EBITDA of $95 million. Currency has negatively impacted sales by 5% in the quarter as most of our major non-dollar currencies were still weaker at the end of June than they were a year ago. Excluding the impact of currency movements and a small divestiture we made in Q4 of 2015, the Ag business posted solid organic sales growth of 5%.
Excluding North America, organic sales of our Ag business was in the double-digits. This growth was driven primarily by price actions and a strong demand for our products in Latin America as well as our products in many of our specialty markets globally. We believe that even in this difficult environment with low crop prices, low farmer incomes, and higher industry inventories we have products that farmers need and want.
Excluding the impact of increased corporate allocations and changes in currency, comparable adjusted EBITDA decreased 11% in the quarter. This deterioration was driven by weak performance in North America which has higher margins than the average of the business. All regions outside North America in our Ag business saw positive year-over-year constant currency sales and adjusted EBITDA growth when excluding corporate cost.
Let me give you some more color on this regional mix issue. You can see at the top of page 7, that North America sales were down quite substantially from the second quarter of 2015. This was driven by high channel inventories and a lack of pest pressure in an overall weak market. In the second half of 2015, we took actions to improve our channel inventory positions but given demand weakness in the market, the timeline for achieving a more normalized energy position has extended.
Demand weakness was exacerbated by a weak season for pesticides from our specialty crop portfolio. We saw the lowest levels of mite infestation in more than 35 years this season dramatically impacting demand for our specialty mitecide products. Despite our sales performance we know that farmers are continuing to buy our products and that is what's most important in the long-term. The channel inventory position will continue to improve as our products sell on the ground and the industry returns to more normalized sales environment, and this should be a growth driver in the region over the medium term.
Looking forward, we have efforts underway that begin to stabilize our North American Ag business. We are continuing to work on the channel and expect to benefit there over the next two years. Secondly, we have made significant structured changes to our sales force and product development initiatives to be even more customer focused. Finally we expect to see a share gain in both our seed treatment and bio-stimulants business going forward. We have lined up a replacement for the seed treatment business we launched last year and believe our bio solutions portfolio is underpenetrated in the U.S. market. And we look forward to providing further updates on these initiatives at our upcoming Investor Day.
Turning to page 8, I would like to review our updated guidance. We have increased the lower end of our guidance for adjusted EBITDA with a new range of $735 million to $775 million for the full year. This is a good outcome in light of the challenges we are facing in our end markets. On this page, we have taken our first half adjusted EBITDA total of $361 million multiplied by 2 to get a full year annualized value of $722 million. In the second half of the year, we expect to add $10 million of incremental synergies and the rest of the improvement in the second half will be driven by higher organic sales growth and an FX tailwind.
Currency is a more complicated picture today than it was at the beginning of the year. While the yen continues to be a headwind which is of particular relevance to the performance business, the Brazilian real is now a tailwind which is positive going into the Brazilian growing season. This benefit will be offset to some extent by local prices to reflect the new exchange rate environment. Currencies in Latin America remains volatile and this guidance is based on the end of June FX rates.
Now let me turn the call over to Ben Gliklich to review our integration successes this quarter. Ben.
Thank you Rakesh and good morning everyone. The second quarter was successful from an integration perspective. On page nine you can see that we reported 13 million of new cost synergies into our P&L year-over-year. This has comprised of 6 million from our Ag business driven primarily by new distribution and supply chain initiatives and the benefit of certain G&A actions we took last year. We also achieved 7 million of new cost synergies in our performance business from a variety of actions across G&A, commercial, and procurement. We guided to $40 million of incremental synergies in the P&L in 2016 and we have already achieved 25 million, 14 million from Ag and 11 million from performance. As Rakesh said, we feel confident about achieving our targets for the year.
On a run rate basis we have achieved 69 million of synergies from the Ag integration. This compares to a three year target of 80 million and a test to the terrific effort from our team. As we mentioned last quarter, the supply chain synergies are somewhat longer-tailed but you can see significant progress even on a sequential basis. In the performance segment we are still in the early innings but have already actioned 33 million of run rate savings despite being only seven months into the integration efforts. The team is doing an outstanding job there as well.
In addition to cost synergies we expect to achieve revenue synergies along the way from the stronger sales force and larger and more complete product portfolio. Page 10 outlines some of the integration initiatives in more detail. The key take away here are that we are still focused on cost and revenue synergy opportunities in both of our business segments. Both segments are continuously evolving and refining their go to market strategies and we look forward to sharing the highlights of that with you on our Investor Day.
Importantly we have achieved over $60 million of cost synergies to date on integration which equates to over $100 million in run rate adjusted EBITDA. We’ve always said that integration needs to be a core competency for Platform. We are not done yet but we are happy with our progress. With that I’ll turn the call over to Sanjiv to take you through the financials in more detail. Sanjiv?
Thank you, Ben and good morning. Today I am going to review our financial performance of the quarter and update you on the status of some of our other initiatives. We are providing numbers on actual basis but also on a comparable basis. Comparable is the same calculation we did when we use the term pro forma but we have renamed the metric to avoid any confusion with other SEC defined terms. We had no acquisition activity in the current quarter but comparable Q2 of 2015 assumes that we owned Alent and the OMG businesses for the whole second quarter of 2015. We also compare certain results on a comparable constant currency basis in order to illustrate the impact the transitional currency has had on our financial performance.
Finally I want to reiterate the point that Rakesh made earlier and that we integrated in the footnote of page 4 of this deck. We use certain non-GAAP measures to provide what we believe is useful, additional information for you as you analyze our results. We believe these non-GAAP metrics provide better insight into the business. We discussed the adjustments in significant detail and provide all appropriate reconfigurations in the appendix of this presentation and in our earnings release that we 8-K this morning.
Now onto the numbers themselves, page 12 begins with the numbers that Rakesh already reviewed with you. Most of our business has performed well given the negative pressures of the end market. Organic growth in our Ag business excluding North America was strong and we have a plan in North America that we are already executing on. This remains a key priority so full-year low single-digit growth target for organic sales is still reasonable.
As Rakesh mentioned we also updated the lower-end of our adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $735 million to $775 million for 2016. Our cash flow forecast for 2016 remains unchanged. We did though make some important updates to the specific drivers of our cash flow. We added 20 million to cash interest to better account for our expected revolver usage and local borrowing cost. However, we expect to more than offset that with significant improvement in cash taxes which is now down to 100 million to 125 million from the 100 million to 150 million that we had earlier and the CAPEX which is now around 100 million versus the 100 million to 125 million we had earlier.
Given the emphasis we all place on cash flow generation, we also have updated our commentary around cash flow seasonality from last quarter. Last quarter we saw a large buildup in working capital driven by our Ag segment. We said in May that working capital had already begun to release and that continued for the remainder of the quarter.
Cash flow from operations for the quarter was over 90 million. Also note that we have increased the level of detail in our cash flow statement as seen in the press release exhibits. We expect continued improvement in working capital balances in Q3 but remember that Q4 is expected to be by far our biggest cash generation quarter, consistent with a much stronger operating performance.
Page 13, was Q2 2015 comparable sales to Q2 2016 comparable sales. This is the same bridge you have seen for several quarters. Again we have changed some terminology to remove any confusion but the calculations and methodologies are the same. You can see that FX was the biggest driver of our reported dollar sales decline this quarter. We have reconciled organic sales for you in the appendix on page 20.
On page 14 you can see the adjusted EBITDA bridge. This is the same format and presentation we have made in previous quarters and we have reconciled it to GAAP in the appendix. Three things to call out on this page; first, the FX transactional headwind and the pricing tailwind are both primarily from our Ag business given the cost and revenue footprint mismatches that, that business has. We continue to take price to offset transactional FX pressures particularly in Latin America.
As FX becomes favorable, our ability to take price diminishes all else being equal. In fact as local currencies rally we expect to see price pressure. This is something we are focused on and working hard to minimize. Second, you will see that the volume mix impact on this bridge is worse than on the sales bridge. This is primarily due to the negative geographic mix that we saw in Ag.
Third I want to point out the increase in corporate cost. We have had 15 million of increased corporate cost this year-to-date. We are working hard to control this number and we are seeing benefits from our investments already. Q3 and Q4 should show modest year-over-year increase in corporate cost. We are making several positive investments in infrastructure and organization that we believe will pay off.
Page 15 shows our current capital structure. As of June 30, 2016 Platform's net debt was 5.1 billion which includes 342 million of unrestricted cash. Firstly, net debt was 3.5 billion and we reduced our corporate revolver borrowings by 25 million down to 90 million. We still have significant liquidity available to fund our business and no debt maturities on the horizon. We remain committed to using excess cash flow to improve our balance sheet. Overall Q2 was a solid quarter for cash flow generation.
Finally before I turn it to Rakesh to wrap up, I wanted to give you some perspectives on our expectations for the rest of the year. Please note that the 2015 we reported comparable adjusted EBITDA of 167 million in Q3 and 184 million in Q4. Page 16 shows that we expect Q3 of 2016 to be a smaller percentage of back-ended back half adjusted EBITDA than in prior years. Q3 is always seasonally slow for Ag as it is not the peak planting season anywhere in the world. Latin America will ramp up during the quarter, however, we do expect sequential improvement in our performance solutions business driven by demand in our electronics end markets and incremental synergy capture.
At current FX rates, FX is better in Q3 on a year-over-year basis but we are still lapping some devaluation in the quarter. For all the reasons we have provided we expect Q4 to be our largest quarter. Additionally due to cost synergies and new revenue opportunities and performance, we expect Q4 to be a bigger percentage of the second half than it was last year. Now it is my pleasure to turn the call back over to Rakesh.
Thanks Sanjiv. Again I want to reiterate that we continue to be focused on the 2016 priorities we highlighted at the beginning of this year. And I am pleased that we have reported progress on many of them here today. Our teams are executing well against our integration and synergy targets across both businesses. Furthermore we continue to emphasize above market growth as we demonstrated this quarter with our Ag business. I believe that we will continue to improve.
At our Investor Day on September 12th, we will plan to review our long-term growth strategies including our goals to grow our earnings in the high single-digits beginning with 2017. And with that we will take some of your questions. Operator.
[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Ian Bennett of Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Hi, thank you and good morning. A comment on the cash flow, so in the first six months of 2016 cash flows from operations within the outflow were a little over more than 100 million and you generated 100 million in the first six months of 2015. Can you comment a little bit about what the big delta was there and what the expectation is for the second half of the year?
So hi, this is Sanjiv here. I think if you look at last year that was not on a pro forma basis so we did not have the full impact of the Ag business specifically Arysta in Q1. And as I took you guys through last earnings call, Q1 was a big use of cash as expected so we need to normalize that. For the whole year we expect working capital to be a modest negative consistent with our anticipated growth in sales in the Ag business.
Yeah, thanks, Sanjiv, and I think I mentioned this at the last earnings call too, I think the pattern we are seeing this year is very identical to what we saw in 2015 on a pro forma basis and as Sanjiv clarified there.
Okay, thank you. And then a follow-up just on the Ag side, it seems like the pace of synergy is being realized as a little bit faster than anticipated. Can you talk a little bit about what caused that and is some of the changes in the sales force, what opportunity do you see the most in Ag from here whether that’s either raising the synergy targets or focusing on some of these niche or faster growing markets?
So from an integration standpoint we’ve always tried to be somewhat conservative with regard to our synergy capabilities or synergy opportunity. What we saw last year in the beginning of the year was also fast realization of sort of the low hanging fruit G&A synergies. Now we’re focused on supply chain and distribution opportunities and those have come perhaps more quickly than we expected. I wouldn’t expect an increase in our synergy outlook but from our perspective we basically delivered what we set out to and are feeling pretty good about that as you can hear from our comments today.
Since you've asked the question about Ag synergies and Ben just talked about cost synergies let me ask Diego to maybe make a few comments on some of the things that we are doing on the integration to help us even grow faster as you saw in this quarter. Diego do you want to make some comments?
Diego Lopez Casanello
Yes, thank you Rakesh. I mean the thing that is the biggest achievement of the team was to establish this one phase to the customer very quickly. And so we have this behind us. The team is highly customer oriented and what we are doing right now is adjusting the way we deal with those customers. We have a key account management organization in place in those countries where we have a high consolidation of the distribution landscape. We aligned our objectives with those customers. We are coordinating activities together with those customers on the field to make sure that we have traction with respect to our promotional activities.
Thank you very much.
Thank you and our next question comes from the line of Daniel Jester of Citi. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning everyone. I appreciate the color on the North American Ag business, I just wanted to maybe talk a little bit more about that, where do you think we are in sort of the inventory correction cycle, this is something that we’ve seen in the industry for a while now, it sounded like this might take a year or two from what you said in your prepared remarks so maybe just a little bit more color on that would be appreciated? Thank you.
Yes, I think as you know we started making this correction last year and what I would say is clearly our on the ground sales are exceeding what is being replenished in the stock to our customers and to our distributors. And I think we will probably see that phenomenon for as you said rightfully, I think we expect this will go on for another year. I think it is going to take that long to probably correct the inventories.
Overall I think we are still cautiously optimistic that this is going to turn around, it is going to take some time. But as I also said, we have plans to increase share in some of our products namely seed treatment business. We lost some business last year, we are working hard to actually replace that. I think we are close to having some fairly significant success which will show up in 2017 that Diego and his teams have been working on. And then some other things that we are doing. So Diego do you want to add some more color in North America.
Diego Lopez Casanello
Yes, nothing, you said it Rakesh. Especially in those products that are going into the cereal business, the wheat business. Wheat acreage is down almost 10% in the U.S. and so the market has been slower than expected. Prices you will see that compared to 2014 prices are almost 40% down. So this has slowed down the pace but we have good progress in fungicides, we have good progress on other specialty crop products. We expect to stabilize the situation in the second half and we will see improvement in 2017.
Okay, great, thank you. And then on the performance business, can you just comment what do you think the drivers are going to be for improvement in electronics in the second half? And then secondly, I know it’s a small business but where do you think we are in terms of the cycle for the oil and gas business you have, do you think we are bottoming out or when should comps improve in our business? Thanks.
Scot do you want to take that on?
Sure. Dan, as everybody has been reporting this last quarter we do think we’ve seen pretty much a bottoming in electronics business in Asia with some slight growth in the second half of the year. The drivers are still the same as we have been talking about in the past new releases from Apple for example, etc. So, we are positioned very well now within the combined organization for some sustained share gain growth which we think will outperform even the demand growth in the business. And that’s where we’re focused and we think will definitely start seeing that here in the second half of the year now that our sales organizations are integrated and performing well together.
And as it relates to the oil business, we see the drivers in that business of course are capital investment from the large firms and we think we have reached the bottom of that. We’re probably kind of at a sustained level now through the end of this year and into 2017. But we’re pretty optimistic as it relates to the revenue that we generate from a production standpoint. Drilling is a little bit tougher but production is good and then new capital investments we hope return back to what we would consider more normal levels 2017 and into 2018.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line Edlain Rodriguez of UBS. Your line is now open.
Thank you, good morning guys. Just quickly on performance solution also, like in some of the other markets you have the auto related market has been doing extremely well over the past few quarters or so and now there are concerns that global auto might be peaking but are you seeing anything like this, like do we get a sense at all that auto should be your concern, so are your business like well diversified in all the key regions, so shouldn’t impact you at all if you have peakish auto in China, that might be offset some place else?
Sure. We’re very, very confident about our position from -- on a global basis for the auto industry as it relates to both industrial and our electronics business. Clearly electronics content in vehicles is going to continue to grow so regardless of the automotive production itself, the value or the opportunity for us per vehicle will continue to increase. We think we’re really well positioned for the expansion that the automakers are making in localized manufacturing and assembly in Mexico for example and parts of Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe. So even if growth rates of total numbers of units should slow versus the last three or four years, the available content to us per vehicle is going to continue to increase. So we’re very optimistic about the future and our position in the auto business on a global basis.
Okay, that makes sense and one quick one probably for Rakesh or Sanjiv, in using the guidance, the low end of the guidance like where are you gaining more confidence, is it in the Ag business, performance solution business, or is it just the synergies getting better or lower corporate cost, like where is the confidence coming from?
I think if you look at it several things that are happening. One, I think we are performing slightly better than we had expected. Two, I think we are going to see some tailwind from FX because the -- some of the currencies have moved in our favor which we thought it would be fair to translate into higher profits. And frankly we are getting some more share, you just heard Scot. I think we are doing -- if you look at the performance solutions business in the second half there are three things that are driving it; one is we are seeing some small market recovery. Second, we are seeing some share gains and third, we had a fairly weak second half last year in 2015 and its getting to a more normalized level. So I think we are feeling a little more confident and six months there in the bag. So, we have half year behind us and that’s where we are. I understand that the range is still fairly wide and we hope when we come back and announce the third quarter results we will be able to tighten this range up even more for you.
Okay, thank you very much.
Thank you and our next question comes from the line of Jon Tanwanteng of CJS Securities.
Good morning gentlemen, thanks for taking my questions. It is nice to see your cash tax outlook has moderated a bit, can you give us a bit more detail on what you’re trying to do to improve that tax rate and what it may look like maybe a year from now?
It is hard to give a specific target right now but we are doing all of the above in terms of all the things you would expect us to do. There are some short term tactical planning you can do where certain jurisdictions which is possible to postpone. You are also looking and having a much better handle. If you remember we acquired Alent late last year and so to better understand its tax structure and how it moulds in. And then overtime we plan to look at some structural changes that will allow us to better manage and match the jurisdictions where we on a tax basis lose money and certain jurisdictions where on a tax basis we gain money. I think the one thing I do want to make clear is this is a huge priority for us and I am very focused on it personally to try to reduce this number which is why we were able to take it down from a midpoint. We’ve already taken it down $12 million to $13 million average and we plan to take it down even more overtime.
Okay, great. And regarding the higher interest rate expectation that you talked about before, does that include the option to extend the maturity this year is to be preferred and if not maybe give an update on the strategy and expectations there?
So yes, that does not include the interest expense related to anything that we might choose to do on the Preferred B Premier note. And as we have said before we have several options on the Premier Preferred B note. Today as you guys know that the make-whole provision is based on where our share price is. And I think as we continue to perform in the coming months and quarters we will see hopefully that reflected in the make-whole and so I think we still have lot of time. We have looked at optionality and we are working on that. I don’t know if Martin you are on the phone, if you want to say something on that.
Yes, at the end of the day we have got plenty of time to figure out what we want to do. It’s not lost on us that the intrinsic value of the business is a lot higher than where the stock price is. So we’re going to continue to put up performance, explain our strategies, and then we seal the -- when the time gets closer. So we have got plenty of alternatives on how to take care of it. Obviously we’ll do whatever we think is in the very best interest of all of our shareholders.
Okay, good and finally one of your major plating competitor is up for sale, is there any opportunity there either its assets or talents shakes for you or maybe if they get distracted on operational standpoint, could you take in an incremental share?
Sorry Rakesh to interrupt you. As with any major disruption we think that it should provide us some opportunities and there is this one and there is a couple other ones going on. These are very strong competitors and will remain so but there are some chances for us I think to capitalize on actually all the points you mentioned.
Great, thanks again.
Thank you and our next question comes from the line Aleksey Yefremov of Nomura. Your line is now open.
Good morning everyone and thank you. Do you have any early indications on demand for crop protection in Latin America volume metrically, how has the season evolved for you at this point?
Can you repeat your question again?
Yes, any early signs of how demand for crop protection in Latin America might shake out?
Diego Lopez Casanello
Thanks. Diego speaking, we are looking at -- we have positive expectations about the second half for Brazil and LatAm. Customers are being a bit cautious right now because of fixed volatility so they are waiting to see how the real is developing, the real is strengthening. But having said that we are expecting growth in the second half in LatAm, some -- you know that some of the export oriented farmers are seeing better margins today that they saw last year. But at the same time everybody is being very cautious. Greater availability is also tight so this is another I would say area that we are watching but overall we are positive about the second half.
You know what, just to add to what Diego said, I mean. We had a very strong second quarter in our developing markets. So if you look at Latin America and the Africa and the Middle East markets which make up approximately half of our Ag business, the growth, the organic growth in this half of our Ag business was absolutely stellar. We grew over 20% organically in these markets. And I think there are several things that are helping us drive that. In Latin America clearly there is lead resistance to several of the conventional products and we are benefiting from that. We are selling more of our products in places like Africa where there is a need for malaria control. Lot of our products pesticides are selling extremely well. So, there are several reasons why our products are doing well in these regions and so we are fairly optimistic even in the second half of the year.
Great, thank you for this update. And then with the agriculture business, how are these services outstanding trending today, are you -- do you see this going up or down or flat?
Well, I think we have a bad connection, if you could again repeat the question, I am so sorry to do this to you?
Oh, yeah, apologies. What has been your accounts receivable collection experience and the trends in DSO in the Ag business?
Yes, so specifically I think we should talk about our performance clearly on the receivables has improved even in places like Latin America. Now we realized our creditors type in places like Latin America but when I looked at our performance, first of all our bad debt experience hasn’t really changed much in the region. And if you look at our actual collections and receivables, our DSOs have improved year-over-year.
Thank you very much.
You are welcome.
Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes today's program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.
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