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After watching former Goldman Sachs (GS) CEO and current Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson on CNBC Tuesday morning, I got to wondering.

Paulson essentially said the the underlying economy is strong and that aside from lenders currently paying the piper for "loose lending standards," things are good. He said the current situation will "extract a small toll on growth," but that economy will weather it just fine. So that got me to looking at some recent numbers to do a little checking.

Recent figures (May - July)

-Industrial production: Up 0.7% or a 2.8% annual rate.

-Personal consumption expenditures: Up at a 4.8% annual rate (July data is not yet out).

-Payrolls: have risen a 1.2% annual rate or an average of 135,000 per month.

-Second quarter real GDP was up at a 3.4% annual rate, and nonresidential investment was up at an 8.1% annual rate.

So, is anyone surprised that earnings forecasts for companies other than the financials have not been lowered? Forecasts of earnings for the S&P 500 in aggregate for Q3 and 4 have not been lowered by any significance over the past few weeks, despite the problems in credit markets and the stock markets gyrations. Current expectations call for about 5% growth in the Q3 and about 10% in the 4th.

Why then would we want the Fed to lower rates to save poor lenders? Banks like Wells Fargo (WFC) and M&T Bank (MTB), both of whom have conservative lending practices, are not feeling the effects of "sub-prime defaults." They have no need for a fed bailout; it is only those lenders who thought lending $500,000 to a person without any verifiable income or any money to put down was a neat little idea.

I have stumped here repeatedly for the Fed to do nothing with the Fed funds rate, and still hope they resist the calls from irresponsible lenders. Let them fail - maybe we will get more responsibility from lenders. Even if the Fed did lower the rate, 1/2%, this would have ZERO effect on those people with adjustable rate mortgages who are getting ready for a reset and will not be able to afford the new payment. ZERO.

Those people, to be honest, are not much better than the lenders who gave them the loans in the first place. Rates have been rising steadily for the past year and they had plenty of chances to refi the mortgages last year before the bottom fell out of the market. If they didn't, well, too bad. Please do not waste my tax dollars bailing these folks out. They are in a self induced predicament. What is more important now is getting the point home that if you lend money (or borrow) it and do not demonstrate a solid ability to pay it back, you are responsible for the outcome.

In response to those screaming for a Fed Funds cut, Richmond Federal Reserve President Jeffery Lacker said on Tuesday, "Financial market volatility, in and of itself, doesn't require a change in the target federal funds rate." He also referred to the Feds stated goal on maintaining inflation. "While the most recent months' figures have been encouraging, it is still too soon to be confident that the moderation we have been seeing represents a downward trend." The risk that inflation will fail to moderate, "is still relevant, although some recent reports have been encouraging," he said. Translation? Who cares how the market jumps all around - long term results are what we care about.

Inevitably these loan will be no good and the pain will be felt, let's just pull the band aid off fast and get it over rather than prolong the inevitable.

Then we can move on the the next manufactured crisis . . .

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    God bless you, Tom Sullivan. Took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone who agrees and is NOT in favor of a reckless lender/hedge fund bailout, please write your Congresscritter or Senator:

    www.house.gov/writerep/
    www.senate.gov/general...

    Can't hurt to sign this petition too: www.petitiononline.com...
    2007 Aug 22 01:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oops...

    -God bless you, Tom Sullivan
    +God bless you, <strong>Todd<... Sullivan
    2007 Aug 22 03:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Must be from Madison.
    2007 Aug 22 01:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    BTW, the Elmo article is really funny.
    2007 Aug 22 02:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    The fed and govt should take actions that help middle income folks have a shot at keeping their homes. Some otherwise good banks should get some help too. Let the hedgies and profiteers take it on the chin.

    Sorry my deleted responses weren't kept. Satire is often misunderstood and unappreciated.

    Beav

    RealWisconsinNews.com
    2007 Aug 22 03:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    As a homeowner who bought a house in 1995 with 30 yr fixed terms and has stayed put through the bubble madness, I have no interest in bailing out other middle income folks who decided that their homes made nice ATMS. Nor am I interested in bailing out Jose the lettuce picker who's struggling with payments on his $500k McMansion in Rancho Wherever.
    2007 Aug 22 07:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    people who rely on government statistics to tell them what the economy is doing deserve to lose their money.
    2007 Aug 22 10:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    While we are on a subject of a FED bailout, let's look at some recent history (I'm talking LTCM, etc).
    Some informed observers made observations that what Greenspan and company did back then actually created and/or inspired the bubble.
    I'd like to give Bernanke the benefit of the doubt here. So far he's been walking the fine like pretty well, in my opinion. I hope it will continue this way. But if it doesn't a new bubble will likely be built soon enough. At least on paper. As USD will no doubt go down and that will take away some of the glory from this new bubble.

    Many observers are saying that mortgage issues are limited to subprime. While it may look this way now, i believe if we dig deeper we may see that subprime was just a start. Alt-A next, then ARMs, then the rest of them.
    Lending standards were and still are extremely relaxed across the board. In an environment like that fraud has tendency to grow to epic proportions.
    The difference between subprime and conforming borrower is what exactly?
    Is being an authorized user on other person's credit card really making one a better credit risk? How about a fake job reference from one of those "employment verification" service companies? Unless some people go to jail and media picks this up, fraud will continue. Going to jail takes time. Media is reporting what people want to hear. And people don't want to hear about home flippers going to jail. They want to hear about good, poor people who miscalculated their ability to afford the house, or, better yet, those who were lied to by those evil lenders. People want to hear about those good hard working folks getting bailed out. And of course this brilliant idea first came to the brilliant mind of future president! What a great "feel good" story. Who is going to pay for all of this? Oh, we'll just send Alfonso to China and he'll tell them to buy the paper, he'll tell them it's US government GUARANTEED! And then we'll all have to pay for all of this for years and years. But that's later . . . a different presidential candidate will be coming out with a feel good idea then.
    2007 Aug 22 11:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    You guys are horribly callous. Some people became brand new homeowners at the height of the bubble. Many started families and needed a place to live. Do you think they took ARMs so they could leverage up and flip the house for a profit? No. In many cases (especially LA and SF) they had to stretch that far to get a decent home in a decent neighborhood for their family. Nothing irresponsible in that. The lenders are a different story...
    2007 Aug 22 11:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    Joe,

    Personally, I *do* feel some sympathy for people just looking to buy 1 home for the purpose of shelter and got bait-n-switched into a dodgy mortgage (Golly, remember that? Back when houses were primarily used for shelter, not poker chips in a global speculative Ponzi scheme?). However, I take exception to the idea that anyone *has* to buy a house. There are other alternatives --like renting, which I'm currently doing as I do not want to be a sad statistic myself.

    There seems to be this absurd prevailing mindset where renter = "loser"/second class citizen, and hyper-leveraged homedebtor = "winner". Really an outgrowth of our current "winner take all" and "he who dies with the most toys wins" mindset. IMHO, this is just a symptom of a fundamentally sick society where what you consume defines who you are.

    Don't let FUD and hyper-materialism run your life. You have alternatives --exercise them.
    2007 Aug 23 02:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Some people became"? how did that come about?
    you make it sound like it just happened to them somehow.
    like they did not make a decision to buy.
    this is capitalism, people have choices.
    when one makes a decision, one is responsible for it.
    who created the bubble if not those irresponsible buyers who could not resist the "easy" mortgages in the environment where "houses never go down".
    when someone makes a bad decision, i do feel sorry for them. that doesn't mean that they should be all bailed out though.
    not a neocon here either, always been antiwar, not jsut when it's popular.
    2007 Sep 01 07:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    BTW - Todd and avkillick, I have no interest in paying for your sorry @$$es when you retire (don't tell me you won't need Medicare), but such is life. Maybe you should run for office and save our socialist society. And you're OK spending our billions in tax $ on a meaningless war, but helping out American homeowners caught in the speculative wave isn't worth it? Just checking...
    2007 Aug 22 11:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    Conflating not having the desire to stick responsible taxpayers/savers with the bill for a bubble caused by reckless speculators/lenders with supporting the Iraq war is not helpful to this debate. Being anti-Wall Street bailout does not = being pro-neocon. I am anti-war AND anti-bailout.
    2007 Aug 23 02:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think the fed funds rate has minimal connection to a bailout. When the T-bills are a point cheaper than the funds rate, the market is telling you that money doesn't need to be that expensive.
    2007 Aug 23 05:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    Reducing the Funds rate and injecting reserves into the system allows the Warren Buffett types who have the good credit to buy up the troubled mortgage lenders portfolios at 50 cents on the dollar without having to sell assets of their own to raise the money. That's what is going on now. The otherwise bankrupt lenders are getting their pockets picked by the vulchers who prey on the sick. I'm not saying I feel sorry for them. Some of the lenders are weathering this storm because they weren't leveraged to the hilt. By September the new money will have bolstered the lenders and the Fed will cut rates to prevent triggering more ARM failures because now they will be protecting the new W. Buffett type investors. People who are buying the stocks of these mortgage companies are going to find out that the fundamentals have changed. Vic
    2007 Aug 24 09:32 AM | Link | Reply
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