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The Wall Street Journal’s “Florida Bust Spawns Vulture Culture” talks about a series of amateur real estate investors ready to pounce on Miami’s weak condo market. I call them amateurs because none of them speaks about the negative cash flow that they will incur until their units appreciate to their targets. None of the investors cited live in the Miami area and they don’t appear to be knowledgeable on the Miami neighborhoods, the rental market, or the additional costs exaggerated to the South Florida market.

The realtors have done an outstanding job of focusing investors on the square foot cost, anchored to the peak. The article cites a buyer bragging that he paid $290 per square foot compared to an asking price of $400 in September. If he was focused on the previous trough rather than the peak, he would realize the prices were under $200 prior to the boom for high quality buildings. Improper anchoring leads to most investment mistakes.

The latest crop of buildings in Miami and Miami Beach do not lend themselves to investments. The Miami area job market does not support rents high enough to even cover operating costs, without even considering the cost of capital. The newer buildings contain a high level of costly amenities. Insurance costs are very high (due to hurricanes) and might not even be available for non-owner-occupied units. Banks don’t pay maintenance on foreclosed units, so other owners will receive special assessment to cover the difference.

Older buildings have their own set of problems. While they might have more stable associations, older buildings require costly updates, repairs and maintenance. Pre-hurricane Andrew buildings were built to a lower standard. Windows usually need replacement after 25 to 30 years. The caustic salt air causes concrete decay and the rebar rusts under the surface after about 20 years. Elevators usually need a major rebuild after 30 years.

Counting on appreciation is a fools’ game. The net present value of any gain would never be greater than the net present value of the expense (including the cost of capital). Owning a condo for pleasure is an entirely different story. The pleasure owner would be happy to increase costs for a better maintained building with better amenities. This is the opposite of investors.
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    whenever people are flying in from all over to buy, you can be sure you are still far from the bottom. When those abandoned condos start to look like a backdrop for a "Miami Vice" episode circa 1985- then you are likely to find a bargain.
    2008 Feb 29 08:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Couldn't agree with you more. Still 18 to 24 months away from a potential bottom, as spreads between mortgage rates and the 10 year treasury should continue to widen. I've been watching rent prices begin to fall as inventory build is gaining and owners are eating a tremendous net loss every month while prices continue to fall.

    The beach, especially high end units on South Beach are probably more protected on the downside like a Manhattan vs. other parts of NY. On the Ocean, the Setai and the new W seem to be doing just fine at getting almost $2,000/ sq. ft.
    2008 Feb 29 09:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    We are a company that purchases commercial real estate debt and have looked at quite a few deals in Florida including Miami, where we were looking to purchase an entire project that was not too fractionalized (more than 30% sold as condos), I basically agree with all of teh comments in the article, but he also missed a couple of otehr costs including property taxes. Of the deals we have looked at in Miami without fail none have made sense as a reversion to rental. Miami still has a way too fall. Other areas of florida however . .
    2008 Feb 29 11:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    Wilber Ross sized up the Miami condo market recently. 20K units on the market, 20K to be finished in next 3 yrs. Annual demand 5K, conclusion a 8 year overhang. He's looking elswhere.
    Also, I enjoyed this articles look at the internals of this market vs the usual realtors bull.
    2008 Feb 29 11:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    Elliott Burrell: I agree with you that property taxes are expensive in Florida. Property taxes are around 2% of assessed value for areas like Boca Raton, and close to 3% in the cities of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. For non-homesteaded and new buyers, the assessed value is the market value determined by the property appraiser. Market value is based on the prior year’s sales.

    As to your other point about wanting to control the building and the association board, I would like to tell the other readers about rental restriction. The condo board has the right to “approve” all leases and can take up to 30 days to do so. Boards can also restrict rentals entirely, or restrict renting during the first year or two of ownership. Some boards are now requiring tenants pay a refundable building deposit of up to one month’s rent. Buildings that allow rentals might restrict owners to one lease per year and impose minimum and maximum lease terms. All these restrictions make it difficult to keep the unit rented continuously.

    Again to your point of controlling the board, the other readers should realize how quickly expenses can get out of control with a runaway board.
    2008 Feb 29 11:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    Even the usual caveat about bargain-hunting by would-be live-in owners is a minefield here: most of the new buildings will not be financially sound enough for their associations to pay the basic upkeep, because they will be so far below full occupancy. The vast overbuilding of condos may mean a bright future for vacationers or retirees wanting to move in ten years from now, but perhaps at the expense of living in buildings that are never maintained properly. I would love to hear Donald Trump's analysis of this market and how it would recover...
    2008 Feb 29 12:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    If you put 20% down on a Miami condo and CAN'T rent it out for a positive cash flow it is overvalued. There is no rush to buy this stuff. Negative cash flow is a way to go broke. I am amazed builders continue to bring new properties to the weak market. There will be a day when you can get a great deal. But that is not in this decade.
    2008 Feb 29 12:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am an established and reasonably well regarded national consultant to the residential development industry.

    And while I also am typically a contrarian, and would agree with the basic premise of your article that the condos do not work for rentals, regardless of the discounts from previous retail, the long-term potential for appreciation is undeniable considering the historical preference for Miami, Florida properties among South American and European investors. Yes there may well be a few tough years but the market will return and we will again see prices hitting $500/square foot.

    So if you pick a prime location (and some of the properties on the market today have locational problems), and can hold these bargains for a few years, there should be some decent upside potential.
    2008 Feb 29 12:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mr. Opdyke hit one nail on the head with his February 28 Wall Street Journal article, “Florida Bust Spawns Vulture Culture.” Thoroughly researched and well explained, the article should carry far and wide. My daily Google News Alert, keyed on “condo vulture,” already delivered responses from five Miami-based media sources that made reference to the well-written piece.
    Now to the second nail. There are those “investors” who go after condominiums and condo hotels in an awesomely clever, clench-move fashion: they also go after the control of the condominium association. That is an even bigger price than buying a unit for 40 cents on the dollar. He who controls the vote of the condo’s board of directors controls the purse strings of ALL unit owners, the members of the condominium association. Isn’t that a most clever mutation of a milk cow? Examples abound at my website, GrandLifestyle.com, and in particular focus on the subject at the media center, GrandLifestyle.com/med.... You may wish to contact Pierre Heafey (pheafey@groupeheafey.... the scheme’s architect and Gino Falsetto (gino@ariesdevelopment... the executioner (contact Nathalie Heafey at The Grand & Associates Realty, Inc.; 305-530-0609) for their thoughts on how they gained absolute control over the unit owners at The Grand in Miami, the Grove Garden Residences in Coconut Grove, and the South Beach condo-hotels, The Bentley and Hilton Bentley Miami/South Beach.
    2008 Feb 29 03:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    Re Dinter...what's with the PhD? Pascal once advised --"Do you wish men to speak well of you? Then never speak well of yourself."
    2008 Feb 29 10:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    one note on the article relating to association dues. the association usually has a lien on the unit for the common charges and can usually foreclose if they are not paid. Just like taxes, the banks usually pay the charges once the association tries to foreclose the liens. Therefore, should not have much in the way of assessments for common charges not paid by banks or other unit owners. Otherwise, article basically dead on.
    2008 Feb 29 11:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    I keep hearing this...Can someone please explain (if it is indeed true) why and how a bank who forecloses and takes legal ownership of a unit does not have to pay association fees? Is this statutory? or, does it reside in the condo docs somehow? or does something else explain this seemingly counter-intuitive statement? I'm confused. Any responsive explanation, or source/article citation where I might better understand this issue would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks.
    2008 Mar 01 10:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    Does anyone else think that it is unusual that in the last 2 weeks 3 NBC/CNBC shows that I know of have done live shows from Miami Beach? Squak Box, Matt Lauer, and Fast Traders? All have "pimped" the value of Miami condos. Who is NBC getting paid by for this, the Miami Condo Builders Assn?
    2008 Mar 01 06:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    I would think that if all these stories are true, you (I) would be able to rent a great condo/apartment in South Florida on the beach, or nearby for a great monthly price? Maybe say $1K to 1.5K/month
    Can someone confirm if that is a possibility? Is it conceivable to get such a deal in the Lauderdale area either just North or South of that area?
    2008 Mar 01 11:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    great points. I too found it interesting that they didn't mention the historic valuations or the role of rental values in ascertaining fair value. Just because something has fallen 30% doesn't make it a great value.

    Historically, Miami has always gotten overbuilt with greedy speculators(who mistakenly believe that they're investors) left holding the bag. Florida has seen this cyclical trend since the 1920's.

    What was that about history repeating itself?
    2008 Mar 02 08:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    Nice article.

    Regarding the insurance, it seems to me (I work in commercial real estate, especially multi-family) that this is finally coming down. There haven't been damaging hurricanes in Florida the last two years, and the price for insurance was hyper-inflated.

    My opinion here is anecdotal, influenced by a deal I was working on recently in Leon County (North/Central Florida). I welcome any feedback.

    P.S. I agree with the central premise: it is too soon to think of buying condos in South Florida. But I am interested in any other opinions/experiences regarding the insurance.
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    2008 Mar 02 01:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am originally from Miami. It will take years for the "condo real estate" to return to the lofty levels of '05.
    2008 Mar 02 11:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Heinz Dinter, PhD seems to be very upset about something, but thought it all I still don't understand...someone bought a bankrupt from the bank and took control it's seems simply...well.. natural... and makes perfect business senses. please explain reproach or wrongdoing
    2008 Apr 10 01:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    How prescient! It is now July 2009 and all those Feb 2008 'vultures' are today's foreclosures, as condo prices in Miami have fallen about 50% in the past year. And it still doesn't make sense to invest in a Florida condo. I get over 3% dividend on my Vanguard value index fund, with no tenant hassles. Can't match this with a condo investment, even with today's prices.
    I will pick up one of these condos when the rate of return on my investment approaches high single digits. This has occured during 1995 - 1997, and it will happen again.
    Jul 06 04:56 PM | Link | Reply