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Back in December, I wasn't a fan of Apple (AAPL) buying back its stock. I'm still not a fan, despite the fact that Apple stock has dropped 40% since then and the fact that Arik Hesseldahl says that a buyback is a very good idea: "word of a buyback would probably give the stock price the kind of upward lift it needs," he says.

Um, needs? Why does Apple need a higher stock price? So that it can use its valuable stock as an acquisition currency? No, it can't be that, since a large part of Hesseldahl's argument is that Apple doesn't really have any major acquisitions on the horizon. Is it for the sake of Apple's most loyal shareholders? No: they're generally happy with Apple's long-term price appreciation. The main beneficiaries of a buyback would be the momentum traders who are exactly the kind of shareholders no company wants.

And I'm particularly unimpressed by this part of Hesseldahl's piece:

I found 295 companies on the S&P 500-stock index that have announced stock buybacks since the start of 2003, and they averaged a gain of more than 66% over five years. Gainers outnumbered losers by nearly 5 to 1, with the gainers improving their stock prices by an average of more than 150%.

Wow, the 295 companies averaged a gain of 66% over five years? That's exactly the gain that the S&P as a whole has had over the past five years! You'd almost think that buybacks made no difference at all!

As for the 150% figure, it seems extremely weird to me. Let's say that you started with six companies, all of which were trading at $100. Five of them increased by 150% to $250 apiece, and the sixth went bankrupt with all stockholders wiped out. You started with $600, and you ended with $1,250 - for a minimum gain of 108% over five years. Now square that with the 66% figure.

Now, all that said, I don't necessarily think that Apple should simply continue to accumulate cash for no particular reason except for the fact that it has historically paid no dividend. A modest dividend, tied to profits, makes perfect sense. A buyback, on the other hand, doesn't.

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    There are very few technology companies which pay a dividend. Among the mega-caps only Intel and Microsoft pay a dividend and they have a near monopoly. Other firms which do not have such a monopoly, do not pay dividends. The reasons are obvious. Most technology companies operate in an environment where there can be significant fluctations in revenues and profits. Dividends require a secure stream which is not guaranteed for technology companies. That is why stock buybacks make more sense the management can use the cash to enhance long term shareholder value.
    2008 Mar 02 10:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think you are right. He really is saying ""word of a buyback would probably give the stock price the kind of upward lift it needs [to please a short-term investor like myself]."

    Also, there is some severe selection bias in his statistics about companies announcing buybacks. You would assume that companies that can afford buybacks would be those doing better overall. If those companies had instead grew the business, paid down debt, or paid a dividend they may have done much better. You can't tell from the statistic he quoted what any given company should do.
    2008 Mar 02 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    The only benefit of a share buy back is if the company buys the stock back at a lower price than it will be in the future. Too many companies bought back stock too high; with lower share prices, they just wasted money. Therefore, buybacks are all about market timing and market psychology, something that companies are not in business to do. If they believe in themselves they should invest in their business -- new products, R&D, acquisitions; if, after that, they have cash on hand, dividends are nice.
    2008 Mar 02 11:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    How about having GREEDY Apple actually use some of their BIllions to PAY AAPL stock holders a GD Dividend like other Legitimate and Gold Standard publicly traded companies do!! Companies like HP, IBM, Cisco, etc. etc.

    As long as Stevie Gods has been at the helm of Apple, Apple hasn't paid a stinking penny of Stock Dividends, while being one of the Cash Richest companies in Tech.

    No, instead Apple fixes illegal Stock Options for Stevie and the Exec Crew .... and of course buys Stevie Gods a $80 Mil Private Jet. I suggest that this tells alot about a company, and Apple in particular.
    2008 Mar 02 11:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'd rather see R&D or purchases. I'd say stock buyback but Apple's not cheap, maybe if it fell another 30 to 40 percent. Dividends haven't ever been appealing to me since it's a double tax - first the company, then the individual, unless of course we're talking about a special type of situation like a REIT.
    2008 Mar 02 11:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    They should use half of their money reserves (9 bil.) to buy back stock and sit on the rest. I don't care what stock you're talking about, a 40%+ drop in two months is totally and completely outrageous!!!! They need to let shareholders know that they actually give a damn about what's happening. Apple has been hit much harder than any of the other tech. names, and in my opinion, for no good reason at all. Otherwise, if there wasn't such an unbelievably dramatic drop in such a short amount of time; then they should put the half they would have used for a buyback into R&D.
    2008 Mar 02 01:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    @ Have a Life

    Let's also put into perspective the history of Apple. Ten years ago their stock was $12. Apple was losing billions. Bleeding cash with horrible products. Says a lot about Steve? Yeah. He literally saved the company. Their stock is worth twelve times the amount it was then. Great products. One the most innovative companies in the world. Made a lot of money for many millions of investors had they bought it even a year ago. No debt. And you wonder why they are sitting on a cash horde? Maybe because they are also one of the most conservative, financially, companies in the world. And let me know when Steve goes to jail for stock option misdoing. He was completely exonerated by the Feds.

    You can argue they don't pay stock dividends. But in regards to the last year, I don't know what else you want. 100% return on your money not good enough?
    2008 Mar 02 01:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    The buyback question is simply what's the best use of the cash for the company's long term health. If Apple management feels a sense of certainty that the stock price is greatly undervalued and will rise in price dramatically before management may find a strategic use for the cash then they are bound by their fudiciary responsibilty to either buy back stock or return it to shareholders. They cannot simply use it for R&D. That's logistically impossible. Apple added $70 million to it's R&D budget in 2007 – roughly 10%. That's a lot of additional engineers and projects. Even if they COULD possibly handle 10X that growth of R&D it would use up only about 1/20th Apple's current cash. The fact that management has not decided to buy back stock after this fall in price indicates to me that either: they have reason to believe the stock may fall further, or they MAY have a better, more strategic use for the cash in the relatively near future – a potential acquisition.

    Any CFO and BOD would buy back stock if they were certain the stock would rise substantially and they were not going to use the cash for acquistions.

    I don't like to think it, but Apple's BOD and senior management may think a larger economic downturn is brewing that will continue to suppress both business and stock prices. That's one very likely explanation for Apple management's decision to be sitting on all that cash at this time.
    2008 Mar 02 02:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    One more thing...

    Remember, it's a VERY good strategy to be sitting on a huge pile of cash when there IS a broad economic downturn. It gives a company financial strength no matter how bad business gets and provides the capability to make acquisitions at firesale stock prices. It also provides a "floor" to the stock price of the company with the cash. These guys at Apple know that they are doing.
    2008 Mar 02 02:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Did some ass bring up backdating options???
    I recall some whiners didn't think it was "fair" to backdate, right?
    Well, as a special gift, tomorrow, 3/3/08, you will wake up and have the OPTION to buy Apple stock BACKDATED over 6 months, to August 20th levels.
    Are you gonna buy, or cry?
    2008 Mar 02 04:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    This commentator is a buffoon. He brushes off the precipitous stock price drop by saying that long-term holders are "generally happy with the long-term appreciation". Sorry... maybe three years doesn't qualify as long-term enough and maybe he's thrilled but losing 40% in three months does not make me happy regardless of overall appreciation. And momentum follows growth... a lack of a buyback has not kept momentum guys from piling in and out in the past year. You can't run your company and serve your "real" shareholders with that as a primary concern>
    2008 Mar 02 07:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    Buybacks only mean the company has no better idea of what to do with the cash. Based on past performance I'm willing to trust Apple to do well with the funds.

    As to dividends I think Apple would do well to consider them. As the investing public ages we look for investments that provide income without selling our assets. Unfortunately the taxes add up. But as the boomers retire we want some type of income.
    2008 Mar 02 11:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    @have a life....

    And why should Steve Jobs listen to you? Because he's not doing what you wish he would? Perhaps you have some experience turning a huge, failing, innovative company around? If that's the case, just buy a controlling interest in Apple common stock, push for a board seat, and force the "idiot" to do your will?

    As for me, I'd like all sorts of great things, like world peace, but when it comes to stocks, I'm an AAPL owner for the same reason I own other stocks... long term capital appreciation. That goal is served best by sound business strategies and execution, areas where I would say Jobs has demonstrated some skill.

    If we're coming up on economic nastiness, I'd sure like to know my investment in Apple isn't going to turn into something akin to Qualcomm, Global Crossing, JDSU.

    Given time, the cash will get applied to a good use, I hope. If it's a buyback, great. If it's a non-recurring dividend, great. If it's a promising acquisition, even better. So far, Mr. Jobs seems to be doing a credible job, and if you think that the question of 'What are we going to do with all this cash' hasn't come up in conversations in Cupertino... well, you are just silly.

    Rock on, Apple. I, at least, am patient.
    2008 Mar 03 08:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    I totally agree .. buyback doesn't do anything long term,
    I'd rather prefer a small one time dividend , however i think the best place the extra cash should go is R&D, acquisitions and of course the biggest chunk used for backup for darker times ....
    which will come eventually seen how wall street reacts to the smallest negative rumor.
    Wall street love to hate Apple even when it shines .
    I can only imagine when Steve Jobs retires from Apple or there is a real slow down in one of their products etc... the stock will tumble 60-70% or more
    if you pair that with a weak economy or any other non Apple related issues
    it could be devastating .. with a nice pile of cash Apple will ride it through like they always did, even before SJ
    2008 Mar 03 08:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    "spend on R&D" To all that want to see Apple spend on R&D, lets have grip on REALITY. Apple's R&D is to buy designs and product being engineered and manufactured in Red China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore or Indonesia; then sketching out a cute wrapper to put on it (out side) and brand it as Apple!

    Point of FACT and examples - EVERY Mac notebook up to 1999 was designed and manufactured by Sony/IBM in Japan and just "wrapped" for Apple. The Apple Airport "graphite" was DESIGNED and manufactured by a Lucent contractor in Ohio and then "wrapped" in an Apple flying saucer for branding! The iMac was Hyundai in Korea, iBooks at first were Quanta, then any LOW BIDDER in Taiwan but built in China (hence the years of iBook failures).

    Apple's idea of R&D is traveling between Chinese and pacific rim sweatshops and picking products.

    Oh but YOU still pay the Apple phony "designed in California" Premium.
    2008 Mar 03 11:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    Have a Life, Why write about what was going on at Apple nine years ago - before the current team was in place? You are just proving you are a fool.
    2008 Mar 03 07:56 PM | Link | Reply
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