Treasury securities are trading at bizarrely low yields, and Yves Smith offers an intriguing thought:

Since bill prices are used as the input into other pricing models (most notably the Black-Scholes option pricing model), the distortions in the [Treasury] market have the potential to feed into other markets (we've already seen problems with new issue bond pricing due to sharp increases in spreads and blow-ups of correlation models in the credit default swaps market).

The word "model" conjures fancy, expensive things tended to by rocket scientists. But for "value" oriented stock investors, simple discounted cash flow valuation still occupies a place of honor. DCF valuation models require two inputs: an expected stream of cash flows (projected dividends, free-cash-flow-to-equity, whatever) and a required rate of return.

One of the lovely aspects of fundamental stock valuation is that it lacks hubris. Everyone knows that stock prices fluctuate unpredictably, so trying to estimate anything to twelve decimal places is just dumb. Value investors look to get a ballpark estimate of a stock's worth, and buy only if there's a large margin of safety. If you have to call in the quants, it ain't worth the risk. The required rate of return is often chosen in the simplest way you can imagine: Check the Wall Street Journal for a current Treasury yield, and call that the "risk-free rate". Ask yourself how much more you'd need to earn for it to be worth your while to hold the stock, and call that a "risk premium". Add the two together, and voila! You've got a required return by which to value the shares.

One of the channels by which Fed interest rate cuts affect the economy is to boost stock prices by reducing the "risk free rate", and therefore investors' required rate of return. But terror and turmoil in credit markets has goosed demand for safe Treasuries, driving yields well below what the Fed would expect given its current rate stance. In January of 2005, the Federal Funds rate was targeted at 2.25%, same as now, and a 3-month T-bill paid 2.21%.

Today, we have the same Federal Funds rate, but the 3-month T-bill yields 0.34%. The 5-year Treasury paid 3.61% in Jan 2005. Today the rate is 2.37%. On any of the common proxies for a risk-free rate, flight to safety in the credit market has introduced a rate cut of between roughly 120 and 190 basis points beyond what Bernanke & Co would have expected based on the 2005 experience. If the marginal value investor hasn't increased the premium she demands for holding equities by the same amount, then all the gnashing of teeth about a financial meltdown may actually be net supportive of equity values!

Now this is weird, since equity is supposed to be the high risk, first-loss side of investment universe. But a recurring theme in the current crisis is that whatever you always thought was safe is not safe. The familiar risks of stock investing might seem like a warm campfire compared to the blizzard of uncertainty on the fixed-income side. It's not obvious that investors would demand an unusually high premium for holding equities right now.

The Fed is working hard to restore some semblance of normalcy to Treasury markets. It would be ironic if that were to inadvertantly remove an important prop from beneath stock prices. If there's anything to our little valuation speculation (it is only speculation!), the Fed may wish to mingle some rate cutting with its efforts to satisfy market demand for Treasuries, in order to hold roughly constant the effective risk-free-rate for equity valuation.

Steve Waldman

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  • Mar 21 10:58 AM
    Most people who are flocking to Treasuries right now have no concern at all about the return they're getting. None. That is why they're still buying at .5%.

    They are worried about preservation of capital. Buying stocks during a recession probably doesn't rank high on the "preservation of capital" strategy list.

    However, I will grant you that some folks will get frustrated with zero returns and move some money into stocks on every upturn but as soon as the market turns slightly against them, the fear factor will strike again and they'll flock back to treasuries which will exacerbate the stock declines.

    I think that is a big reason you're seeing all the volatility now and it will likely be with us for some time...
  • Mar 21 02:15 PM
    Another permabull trying to rationalize the ridiculous. The flight to safety is the market momentum that trumps figures. As they used to tell me in business: figures don't lie but liars figure. The indicators important today is what is the reliable stream of income? Investors today have figured out that the professionals can't even manage the wire house's money, much less theirs. Ergo, dividends on stock are not guaranteed nor reliable. Like our Government.
  • Mar 21 03:01 PM
    Is this serious? I would love to see returns of investors that simply use bills plus a simple risk premium as the discount rate. Please keep posts useful.
  • Mar 22 11:02 AM
    Whats wrong with some the solar stocks? their earnings growth are very high and these companies are profitable. in terms of preserving capital or assuming risk. right now their is no appetite for risk. but when it comes back it will be figured back into the model and stock prices will go higher. No? Invest in these companies and go on vacation or back to your daily routine. The economy will recover. Not all stocks are a good investment.
  • Mar 22 01:29 PM
    Stocks (why call them "equities"? that's pure bull, a feel-good buy-side term invented) go down 35-40% in recession. Bloomberg showed S&P p/e of just under 20 on the tape this morning! Stocks go to p/e 10-12 in recession. Yield is 2% (but the "equity" might lose 50%!) All the money piling into s-t Treasuries is hedgefunds being flushed out of the long-commodities/short... trades. They have redemptions also. Paulson is pulling the floor for bids out of the Goldman Sachs Commodities Index to crash commodities, and spike the Dollar. Of course, Goldman is short commodities, HA! Paulson= the greatest conflict of interest in US financial history. And writers here , everywhere,won't touch the subject, cowards. Or you don't want an IRS audit, or be "rendered" to some island. I understand.
  • Mar 22 01:39 PM
    Once again the "Enron Groupies" on Wall Street, i.e. some/many bankers, security dealers, insurers, ratings firms, mortgage brokers, hedge fundies', derivative high rollers, et al have been too smart & corrupt by half, which equals NO TRUST! The government must save the devil to spare themselves and us paeon investors from economic hell! Calculating returns, who are you kidding? Treasuries are 'most' safe and to treasuries we will go, even as inflation gaps wide it's waiting maw.
  • Mar 22 01:52 PM
    Since there is so much angst directed toward the Fed and the US Government, I decided to list some events, not all of them, that had dramatic ramifications on lives, cost and the psychology of our country. I started in 1906 because it’s just a little over a hundred years. Some of the events were world wide but still had a cause and effect on America and the world. As I compiled the list, I could not help but feel the great sacrifices that many American’s have made and what a resilient country, economy and government we have in American that stretches the entire globe.

    The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake and fire, registered 8.25 on the Richter scale; estimates range from 700 to 3,000 dead or missing, approximately 225,000 injuries and $400,000,000 in 1906 dollars.

    Recession, May 1907-June 1908, 13 mo

    Model T, 1908, came into popular usage

    Recession Jan. 1910-Jan. 1912, 24 months

    Completion of the Panama Canal, 1914 – 27,500 workers are estimated to have died

    Recession Jan. 1913-Dec. 1914 23 months

    World War I -- 116,708 killed – 33 billion

    Spanish influenza, 1918, killed over 500,000 people in the worst single U.S. epidemic.

    Recession Aug. 1918-March 1919 7 months

    The first radio news program was broadcast August 31, 1920, in Detroit, Michigan

    Recession Jan. 1920-July 1921, 18 months

    Recession May 1923-July 1924 14 months

    Recession Oct. 1926-Nov. 1927 13 months

    Bell Labs gave important demonstration of television April 7, 1927

    The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, flooded 27,000 square miles, 246 killed

    The Great Depression, Black Tuesday, crop prices fell by 40 to 60 percent, after the panic of 1929, and during the first 10 months of 1930, 744 US banks failed. (In all, 9,000 banks failed during the 1930s). By 1933, depositors had lost $140 billion in deposits.

    The Dirty Thirties, longest drought of 20th century. Peak periods were 1930, 1934, 1936, 1939, and 1940. The dust bowl covered 50 million acres in the south-central plains during the winter of 1935-1936.

    Labor Day Hurricane of 1935, 400 killed

    Recession May 1937-June 1938 13 months

    World War II – 408,306 killed – 360 billion

    Wartime Controls: 1941-1945 rationed consumer items ranging from sugar to gasoline

    The United States developed the first atomic weapons during World War II

    Recession Feb. 1945-Oct. 1945 8 months

    The UN was founded in 1945 to replace the League of Nations

    The Marshall Plan, July 1947 – 13 billion in economic and technical assistance were given to help the recovery of the European countries

    Cable television, formerly known as Community Antenna Television or CATV, was born in the mountains of Pennsylvania in 1948.

    Israel declares independence, May 14, 1948,

    Berlin's Crisis (June 24, 1948 to May 11, 1949) was one of the first major crises of the new Cold War

    Recession Nov. 1948-Oct. 1949 11 months

    The Soviet Union tested its first nuclear weapon ("Joe-1") in 1949

    Chiang Kai-shek moves his government from communist China to Taipei, Taiwan (formerly Formosa), where he formally resumed his duties as president on March 1, 1950.

    Korean War, July 1951 - July 1953 – 33,000 killed in action

    The United Kingdom tested its first nuclear weapon ("Hurricane"... in 1952

    Recession July 1953-May 1954 10 months

    The Supreme Court rules on the landmark case Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kans., unanimously agreeing that segregation in public schools is unconstitutional – May 17, 1954.

    The Suez Crisis of 1956 – was a military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel beginning on 29 October 1956.

    Recession Aug. 1957-April 1958 8 months

    Alaska becomes 49th state of the U.S. on January 3, 1959

    Hawaii becomes 50th state of the U.S. on August 21, 1959

    U–2 Incident of 1960 occurred when an American U–2 spy plane was shot down over the Soviet Union

    France tested its first nuclear weapon in 1960 ("Gerboise Bleue")

    Recession April 1960-Feb. 1961 10 months

    The Cold War, some estimates shows $8 trillion was spent, worldwide, on nuclear and other weapons between 1945 and 1996

    The Cuban Missile Crisis, Oct. 1962

    Martin Luther King is arrested and jailed during anti-segregation protests in Birmingham, Ala.; April 16, 1963.

    Vietnam War, 1963 – 47,378 killed in action

    200,000 people join the March on Washington. Congregating at the Lincoln Memorial, participants listen as Martin Luther King delivers his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. Aug 28, 1963.

    The murder of JFK, 1963 Nov

    Good Friday Earthquake (1964) In Alaska, it was the fourth biggest earthquake recorded

    The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Aug 1964

    China tested its first nuclear weapon in 1964

    President Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Malcolm X, black nationalist and founder of the Organization of Afro-American Unity, is shot to death – Feb 21, 1965

    1967 Arab-Israeli War – was fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces.

    The murder of Dr King, April 1968 and Bobby Kennedy, June 1968

    The city riots of April, 1968 – 30 cities affected

    President Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act of 1968, prohibiting discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of housing.

    Hurricane Camille, Aug 1969, 259 killed

    Recession Dec. 1969-Nov. 1970 11 months

    Stagflation of the 1970s began

    Nixon first imposed wage and price controls on August 15, 1971

    World Trade Center ribbon cutting ceremony was on April 4, 1973

    1973 Arab-Israeli War or Yom Kippur War – a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur.

    Oil Embargo, Oct 1973 long gas lines

    Recession Nov. 1973-March 1975 16 months

    Articles of Impeachment of Nixon started
    (Approved by a vote of 27-11 by the House Judiciary Committee on Saturday, July 27, 1974.)

    India's first nuclear test occurred on the 18th of May, 1974

    Deregulation: 1974-1992 this era began when Nixon left office

    Home computers start to enter retail markets, in 1977, and becoming common during the 1980s

    Bell Labs launches first commercial cellular network in Chicago – 1978

    Three Mile Island nuclear power plant crisis, March 1979

    The Carter Administration decides to come to the aid of Chrysler Corp, 1979

    Mount St. Helens eruption 1980

    The US Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s begins, more than 1,000 savings and loan institutions failed.

    Recession Jan. 1980-July 1980 6 months

    Prime reached unbelievable 20% in January 1981,

    AIDS was first reported June 5, 1981 by the government – It is thought that more than one million people are living with HIV in the USA and that more than half a million have died after developing AIDS.

    Recession July 1981-Nov. 1982 16 months

    California earthquake 1983

    The 87 market crash - Black Monday

    Pakistan acquires the ability to carry out a nuclear explosion in 1987

    California earthquake, 1989

    Recession July 1990-March 1991 8 months

    Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990

    Nikkei stock index crashed by over 30,000 points, the average home near Tokyo cost well over $2 million before the crash in 1989

    The Persian Gulf War, 1991 or Desert Storm Jan 1991

    Hurricane Andrew 1992 very destructive United States hurricane

    World Trade Center bombing, February 26, 1993

    The Great USA Flood of 1993

    The 1995 bailout of Mexico

    East Asian Financial Crisis was a period of financial crisis that gripped much of Asia beginning in the summer of (July) 1997

    Intervention in the Former Yugoslavia – March 24-June 10, 1999, NATO bombing of FR Yugoslavia

    The International Monetary Fund approves an immediate $5.3bil emergency payment for Brazil to rescue its economy, Dec 1998

    IMF protects US banks in Russian bailout, July 1998, Russia receives $22.6 billion in loans

    Dot Com Bubble, climaxed on March 10th, 2000 with the NASDAQ peaking at 5132.52

    9/11 Attack, 2,974 people died

    Recession March 2001-Nov. 2001 8 months, Airline Industry Collapsed

    Enron bankruptcy in late 2001, employed 22,000

    WorldCom, July 21, 2002, filed for Chapter 11
    Iraq War, March 19, 2003 – 4,000 dead

    Hurricane Katrina, late August 2005, 1,836 people lost their lives

    Start of the Great Housing Recession/Depression or Sub-prime Recession, date to be determined
  • Mar 22 10:24 PM
    Tony, you are a pain in the ass. Get lost.
  • Mar 23 01:28 AM
    Another useless SA article.
  • Mar 23 07:10 AM
    My investment horizon doesn't span 100 years. I am concerned about the next 12 months. Soprano posts worthless drivel that is far removed from reality in many places. I suppose if we keep repeating bullish mantras eventually it will be ok, right?
  • Mar 23 09:12 AM
    Hey Tony....BLOW ME!!!!!!
  • Mar 23 09:16 AM
    I am not buying US treasuries. I am buying gold, silver, and oil which are not printed by anyone. My faith in the US Government and W-Street is below zero. The system is rigged.

  • Mar 23 11:13 AM
    nobody has figured out how to pave over the ocean.i invested in oil tankers(fro) & its been great so far. weell run,great retuns. i am not connected to this co. in any way.im not a ceo so i can be believed.
  • Mar 23 12:13 PM
    I think the author may have the premise bassackwards. T-bill rates don't necessarily have to be an exogenous variable to the BS model. They can also be an endogenous one. In other words, smart money is selling a lot of options given volatility is so high and banking the cash.
  • Mar 23 12:22 PM
    Looks like I hit a nerve! Some very angry and vulgar responses.

    I wonder why?

    You are short and want to see 8000 on the S&P.

    You actually thought I wanted you to make a one hundred year investment.

    You have positions in gold, US treasuries, and oil that is juxtaposed to the dollar.

    How someone can have zero faith in the US government and still buy US backed treasuries is puzzling. The US government stands by her US treasuries.

    The vulgar comments don’t help your argument and proves nothing except that a nerve has been struck and/or there is some prevailing weakness in your investment strategy and you needed to lash out.

    I find it ironic that in all the vulgar comments, none were about the history that was listed. Perhaps some of you lost money last week? I do not take solace in this.

    The time period for the history was a little over a hundred years. Some of you, with today’s technology and medicine may very well live to be over a hundred years old. If you think about it in those terms it shows that a hundred years is really not that long a period of time.

    I take no pride in seeing anyone lose money. I will let history speak for its self.
  • Mar 23 12:42 PM
    Tony, we have seen your dumb list on at least 10 different occasions. You remind me of a child who needs attention............w... you're getting it and its negative. So GET LOST!
  • Mar 23 12:54 PM
    Vulgar comments that lack pith.
  • Mar 23 01:04 PM
    Tony, Tony, Tony - you are full of pith...your listing of historical events is like saying "the sky is blue" --- how often do you have to say it and what purpose does it serve?
  • Mar 23 02:24 PM
    clue me in:

    Can you please give me some real data? You are just making general statements that are subjective. For example, what do you think of the Marshall Plan? Did it work? Why or why not? Give me the details?

    As I mentioned above, I hit a nerve and this caused a reaction and in some cases the reaction was vulgarity. So you said: “Tony, Tony, Tony - you are full of pith.”

    So you said: “your listing of historical events is like saying "the sky is blue”.

    I just listed the events with no interpretations. However, your interpretation, the sky is blue, is very interesting. To me, you are indirectly saying the historical events are positive (bullish).
  • Mar 23 02:55 PM
    tony s, thanks for the useless history lesson. go try and teach a 1st grader, they might not have heard your dribble yet. anyone over the age of 18 has, so please disappear.
  • Mar 23 03:00 PM
    HaHaHaHa, i just sit here laughing, i can't believe some idiot sits in here and types in a supposed history lesson and a poor one at that. there is no continuous argument throughout, just a bunch of dates and numbers.
    tony s., mommy just called you, it's time to change your diaper.
  • Mar 23 04:49 PM
    'nuff said.
  • Mar 23 05:19 PM
    HarMegiddo + clue me in = two peas in a pod

    You have made no counter argument?

    You are just making general statements that are subjective.

    I will let the historical facts speak for themselves.
  • Mar 23 05:59 PM
    Tony - we can not counter a non-argument. You made no argument - just rererepeated your list...
  • Mar 23 06:31 PM
    Still no details.
  • Mar 23 11:30 PM
    Inflation is the hidden gravity that does not get the respect it deserves. Its invisible and unrelenting, but in some ways subjective, and difficult to calculate. It is also possibly the greatest risk to your long term financial objectives. The treasury market is manipulated both by the Chinese and the Federal Government.

    Don't misread the low yield of treasuries--it is a false reading.

    Demand for treasuries is higher than it would be otherwise if it weren't for: 1) Chinese need to recycle dollars 2) Fed desire to prop up economy 3) Scared money seeking "safe haven" during recession,and credit crisis, and 4) the underreporting of inflation, that makes investors miscalculate the risks of holding bonds.

    Investors fight the last war, and position themselves for the known and the obvious risks, while avoiding the less obvious risks. The last FINACIAL war was was the Japanese deflation of the 90's--that Bernanke and company are sworn to not repeat.

    With massive debt bubble, and the tsunami of dollars being created to re-inflate, the more likely outcome is a stagflationary 70's.

    Oil may fall to 80, gold to 750, silver to 12, but these will be cyclical selloffs in an overall upward trend. Those who don't understand commodity investing say that it is "risky".

    Some of those same folks say that bonds and fixed income are far less risky. But, in an upward inflationary trend--bonds get killed and commodities outperform.

    Finally, There is no such thing as a risk free investment.

    All investments must beat the long term rate of inflation if one is to prevent a real loss of capital. Buying a t-bill that yields .58% and holding for a year representS the guaranteed loss of between 3-5% (or more ) of capital.

    Why not buy ConocoPhilips ( Disclosure: I own COP) at a forward 6 PE, a yield of 2.2%, and a natural hedge against inflation?

    The stock may drop in the short term, but ten years from now you will double, triple, or quadruple your investment, and collect that rising dividend--something that a bond cannot match.
  • Mar 24 07:25 AM
    Tony, some day you will be right. I hope you are patient.
  • Mar 24 07:30 AM
    As if the narrative about the relationship between treasuries and stocks was a permanent truth. The truth is that markets go to extremes. Isn't the debt market, including treasuries, a huge bubble right now? Won't that bubble pop will pop after a major washout in the stock market, and the reality of inflation sets in? Won't the Fed will have to raise interest rates, causing further damage in the treasury market? Are these events primary in nature, determining the direction of subordinate markets?
  • Mar 24 08:32 AM
    History has shown us that we have and can over come any crisis.

    During the cold war we had a doomsday clock!

    It showed how many minutes we had left till total destruction.
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