Executives
Cary Walker – Senior Vice President and Manager of Corporate Communications
Russell Goldsmith – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Christopher J. Carey – Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
Aaron Deer – Sandler O'Neill
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
Paul Miller - FBR
L. Erika Penala – Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Joe Morford – RBC Capital
Brian Klock – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
John G. Pancari – Evercore Partners
Jennifer Demba – SunTrust
Jonathan Katz - Morgan Stanley
City National (CYN) F2Q12 Earnings Call July 19, 2012 5:00 PM ET
Operator
Good afternoon. I would like to welcome everyone to this discussion of City National Corporation’s second quarter 2012 financial results. [Operator instructions.] This call is being recorded and will be available shortly after it is completed on City National’s website at cnb.com. Now, I will turn this call over to Cary Walker, senior vice president and manager of corporate communications for City National. Please proceed.
Cary Walker
Thank you. Good afternoon. Here to discuss City National’s second quarter 2012 results are Russell Goldsmith, our president and chief executive officer and Chris Carey, our chief financial officer.
This call will include comments and forward-looking statements based on current plans, expectations, events, and financial industry trends that may affect the company’s future operating results and financial position. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties, and future activities and results may differ materially from these expectations.
The speakers on this call claim the protection of the Safe Harbor provisions in the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. For a complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from expected results, see the company’s annual report on form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011.
This afternoon, City National issued a news release outlining its second quarter 2012 financial results. To obtain a copy, please visit our website at cnb.com. After comments by management today, we’ll open up this call to your questions.
And now I'll turn it over to our CEO, Russell Goldsmith.
Russell Goldsmith
Good afternoon. Thank you all for joining us again for this quarterly call. This afternoon, as you know, City National announced a strong and productive second quarter, with net income up 15% from the second quarter of last year to $54.8 million.
Period-end assets grew to nearly $25 billion, up 10% from the second quarter of last year and another new all-time high for us. Loans and deposits increased at double digit rates. Both are at new record levels for City National.
And that total does include the $300 million in loans we were also pleased to add with the acquisition of First American Equipment Finance, which we announced in the quarter, and closed on April 30. The other acquisition in the quarter we were pleased to announce was Rochdale Investment Management, which closed recently, on July 2.
In the second quarter, credit quality remained strong, expenses remained in check, and City National further bolstered its strong capital position with a successful offering of a $150 million subordinated debt offering, which replaced and expanded a piece of our capital structure that we’ve had for many years.
All in all, we’re pleased with City National’s performance halfway through the year, especially in light of today’s economic environment and the continuing extraordinarily low interest rates. Fortunately, City National is well-positioned for the remainder of 2012 and beyond. We are prudently growing a diversified array of assets, adding new clients and colleagues, and investing for the future.
In a few minutes, Chris Carey and I will be happy to take your questions, but first I want to discuss some other highlights from the second quarter. Let me start with loan growth. Following a very strong first quarter of loan originations - in fact our most productive ever - new loan originations in the second quarter actually exceeded the first quarter level, and set a new record of just under $900 million. And that’s without the First American portfolio. And that’s 40% ahead of last year’s pace.
That brings year to date originations to $1.6 billion, also an all-time high for City National. Total net loans - not just originations - are up 16% for the first half of the year, including the First American portfolio.
As you saw, City National recorded a very modest second quarter loan loss provision of just $1 million. That’s primarily a reflection of loan growth and also the fact that we had a net pickup of $2.7 million from loan recoveries. At quarter end, the company remained well-reserved, at 2% of the higher number of total loans.
Deposits also continued to grow, increasing to another new record of $21 billion, up 12% from the same period last year. Non-interest-bearing deposits actually decreased 33%. Our strong deposit base and growth reflects our growing client base, as well as our focused business strategy and value proposition as a premiere private and business bank.
Turning to our wealth management business, second quarter income from trust, investment, mutual fund, and brokerage fees totaled $39 million, up 2% from the first quarter of the year. In this quarter, as I mentioned, City National took a significant step to improve and grow our wealth management business for the future, with the addition of Rochdale Investment Management. That will bring our total client investment assets that our various wealth management companies manage or administer to more than $63 billion.
Rochdale, which is headquartered in Manhattan, manages almost $5 billion in assets for affluent and high net worth clients with their financial advisors in New York, California, and across the nation. Early next year, we will combine Rochdale with one of our key wealth management companies, City National Asset Management, to create a stronger and more diversified national wealth management company, City National Rochdale Investments, under the leadership of Rochdale’s excellent CEO, Garrett D’Alessandro.
With more than $18 billion in assets under management, the merged company will have enhanced capabilities and an expanded team to manage and grow investments for the clients of both firms on a combined basis.
The acquisition of Rochdale is one example of City National continuing to invest in its future. As I mentioned earlier, we were also pleased to acquire First American Equipment Finance, and outstanding and innovative, privately owned, full-service, mid-ticket leasing company based in Rochester, New York.
First American has more than $340 million in assets, and serves organizations across the United States. The firm, led by its outstanding CEO, Bill Verhelle, will also add significant new capabilities in addition to our current equipment leasing unit hear at City National to better meet our clients’ financial needs. The addition of Rochdale and First American illustrates City National’s commitment to supplement its organic growth with acquisitions that meet its criteria for fit, focus, and price.
City National is also investing in technologies like its new state-of-the-art mobile banking service that allows clients to manage their accounts and make deposits 24/7 from their phones. We just launched this, City National Mobile Banking, in the last two months, and have already gotten a terrific reaction from our clients.
In addition to expanding our online presence, over the past few years, since 2008, City National has added 17 banking offices, and today we have a total of 78 offices in five states. In the next 12 months, we plan to open five more branches. Three new offices will be in the San Francisco Bay Area, bringing our total in Northern California to 14.
We also signed two leases in the second quarter to expand our presence in Manhattan by opening next year for the first time, for us, in New York, two ground floor branch offices. One will be at our current headquarters at 400 Park Avenue, and another will be at Sixth and 44th.
This significant expansion will enable us to better serve our clients, both in the Bay Area and in New York, and it will increase our visibility and brand awareness in two dynamic economies. We believe we can grow there significantly in the years ahead on the base we’ve already built in each of these robust regions.
Now let me say just a few words about the economy here in California. Conditions have slowly been improving. The unemployment rate, at 10.8% in May, is still much too high, but it has fallen by a full percentage point in the last year. The technology industries are performing very well, and entertainment is doing fine. The up-front markets for television that just concluded continued to see strongly rising rates for advertising.
Tourism, healthcare, and agriculture are also doing well. International trade continues to grow, and demand for housing is showing particular strength. Home sales have posted year over year gains for 10 consecutive months, and in June they were up 7.5% in California versus today’s national number, which I’m sure you saw went down.
The median price for housing in Southern California was up 5.3% in June versus a year ago, and foreclosures, encouragingly enough, now represent just one in four sales, versus one in three not long ago here in Southern California.
The economic picture in the San Francisco Bay Area, generally speaking, is quite bright, with growth in the tech sector leading the way. Remarkably enough, tourism in San Francisco just hit a new all-time high.
Of course, California’s economic outlook is affected by global economic conditions, national economic conditions, government actions, and uncertainty. When we last talked in April, I think most economic experts were expecting U.S. GDP growth on the order of 2-2.5%. Clearly that’s started to come down with the latest installments of Europe’s debt crisis, slower growth in Asia, and increasing concern about the federal fiscal cliff.
One bright spot for Southern California is the federal transportation bill that was just passed by Congress and signed by the president. It will be particularly helpful here in Los Angeles County to accelerate much-needed transportation infrastructure investment spending over the next couple of years.
However, the growing sense of uncertainty that so many are feeling that is posed by the federal fiscal cliff appears to us likely to slow U.S. economic growth and loan demand over the next six months. As an example, one of our most important clients the other day was telling me that he was poised for a major acquisition and pulled the plug on the deal until he could be sure what the tax rates, the depreciation schedules, fiscal policy, and economic conditions would look like in 2013.
The sort of uncertainty that’s out there today breeds caution by investors and entrepreneurs, as most of you know. However, I am hopeful that once the election is over that, at that time, finally, some decisions will get made in Washington so that entrepreneurs will know what the tax and fiscal policies of the United States will be, and then they can plan and invest appropriately.
The good news is once we have some certainty, and assuming it’s a reasonable and gradual path forward, then the U.S. economy should pick up some steam in 2013. In any event, I’m confident that City National is up to the challenges and opportunities that the next 6-12 months will bring as we’ve demonstrated over the past 3-4 years.
We are enhancing our capabilities and expanding the company’s visibility and reputation, as we add clients and colleagues, not only in the five states where we now have bank offices, but increasingly through our growing national businesses.
Now I’ll turn the call over to CFO, Chris Carey. Chris?
Chris Carey
Thanks Russell, and good afternoon all. I’m going to add some commentary on overall earnings, covered assets, net interest margin, expenses, and capital.
First, overall earnings. As we noted in the highlight section of our press release, we had three different, unusual items in this quarter that added about $9.5 million pre-tax, or $6 million after tax, $0.11 a share. So very roughly speaking, we look at core earnings as about $0.90 a share. I would note that in the second quarter of last year, we had a gain from an FDIC bank transaction that contributed $0.09 a share, so adjusting for both years, we’d still be up 14%.
Now looking at covered assets, we recorded a $3.9 million net gain to reflect updated cash flow projections, and it was coupled with $3.4 million in net other income related to covered assets. The net impact of these two items was income of $7.3 million, $6.4 million higher than the $0.9 million in the first quarter of 2012.
As many of you know, this does not include the more stable interest income from the covered loans that had a base yield of 6.3% in the quarter. We provide much more detail on the covered asset information on page 14 of the financial tables that accompany our news release.
Now let’s move to net interest margin. I’m sure initially you were surprised that our margin was up 17 basis points from the first quarter. This increase reflects covered loan prepayments that were $15 million higher than the first quarter of 2012, and also $2.3 million in interest income from the recovery of a previously charged off loan.
Excluding the recovery and the higher covered loan prepayments, which tend to fluctuate from one quarter to another, the margin would have been around 366. We expect deposit growth, loan rates, and the steady run of covered loans to place continuing pressure on the margin through the end of this year.
Non-interest income was down from the second quarter of 2011, but essentially flat with the first quarter, although trust and investment fees, brokerage and mutual fees, international and cash management fees, and gains on the [transfer] of covered loans to [REO] were all higher in the second quarter than they were in the first quarter.
Unfortunately, higher FDIC loss-sharing expenses offset these gains, and while our wealth business is up this quarter, which we are pleased about, it was down versus the prior year, principally due to the divestiture of some of our institutional assets by one of our affiliates, which we mentioned last quarter, as well as a decline in the Asian markets, which impacted our revenues from that piece.
Finally, looking at expenses, total noninterest expense was down 8% from the second quarter of last year. That decline reflects lower FDIC covered REO costs and FDIC assessments. Legal and professional fees also were down to the reimbursement of legal expenses related to the loan recovery mentioned earlier - that was $3.6 million - partially offset by $2.8 million in transaction costs related to the two acquisitions. The linked quarter decline in expenses stems from lower FICA taxes and REO costs.
Through the first half of the year, expenses were down 3%. We’ll continue to keep a tight rein on spending while investing in selected growth opportunities.
Now regarding capital, we were very happy to take advantage of the favorable rate environment and raise some very cost-effective sub debt. We continue to look for the right kind of acquisitions and long term flexibility that the new capital provides to move quickly in an opportunistic manner.
Regarding the proposed Basel III rules, while we, and many others, believe there are some very significant flaws, when we take a worst case view on a pro forma basis, our capital levels are still well in excess of the proposed guidelines.
So, in conclusion, as the economy improves, and interest rates return to more normal levels - at some point - the investments we are making today will make a bigger impact on the bottom line. In the meantime, we are generating steady amounts of net interest income by adding clients and growing loans and deposits. Credit quality is solid, and our balance sheet is strong. All of these advantages give us tremendous flexibility to invest in the future and build value for our investors.
Now, Russell and I will be happy to take your questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator instructions.] Your final question comes from Aaron Deer from Sandler O’Neill .
Aaron Deer – Sandler O'Neill
Russell, had a question on the expansion in New York. I saw the location on Park Avenue, one of the two new leases that you signed. It looks like a terrific space. Big space. And I’m just wondering, is this any change in your kind of push into the Manhattan private banking market, being that you’re going to have a much more visible presence there?
Russell Goldsmith
I’m glad that you like the space. We’re very enthused about both locations. Our bank in New York, which, as you know, next year will celebrate its 10th year in Manhattan, continues to grow and we need more space for our private bank, wealth management, entertainment, and other capabilities. And so that continues to be the focus of what we’re doing in New York.
We thought that we had a strong enough base and a strong enough opportunity in New York that the time was right to make City National Bank in New York look more like City National Bank looks elsewhere in the country. We need to enhance our visibility and our accessibility, and so we’re going to open these two branch offices.
But we’re not getting into the retail wars of Manhattan. You’re not going to see a whole bunch of branches spring up from us in Manhattan. Our branch system, today, has a set of capabilities we’re very enthused about, and think will work well in New York, that we’ve developed over the last five or six years, that we didn’t have when we first came into New York. We have what we call preferred banking, which is for a very high end retail client, kind of an access to private banking, ultimately. We also have very strong capabilities in small business, and as I touched on in my remarks, an increasing array of technology, with mobile banking platforms and so forth.
So we think the time is right, and our products and capabilities are such that strategically locating some branches in Manhattan will be good, both in and of themselves and as a way of bringing more visibility and recognition to our private bank and our commercial bank and our wealth management businesses.
Operator
Your next question comes from Steven Alexopoulos from JP Morgan.
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
I’m calculating a core margin down around 6 basis points quarter-over-quarter, and it looks like your cost of liabilities went up. Can you give some color on why the cost of liabilities increased? It’s a little surprising, because the debt issue was late in the quarter. And how are you thinking about NIM pressure for the second half?
Chris Carey
I’m not exactly sure where you’re getting your numbers from, because I see the same numbers. Our cost of deposits went down.
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
Chris, I’m looking at page 10 of the release. It says your cost of total interest bearing liabilities went from 51 basis points to 55.
Chris Carey
Yeah, I assume that’s just the weighting of the sub debt really. It is up, but it’s probably a combination… It’s probably just the weighting of the sub debt moved the dial a lot. But the answer to the bigger question, we’re not giving out specific guidance, but we do expect continuing pressure on the margin. I mean, it’s hard to predict the pre-pay income, and that obviously affects the overall margin. We’re still looking to try to grow net interest income each quarter, mind you. But the dynamics are still pressure on the margin for us and most banks.
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
Do you think the loan growth will be enough to offset the margin pressure. Do you see NII growth through the year?
Russell Goldsmith
Well, we could continue at this pace, yeah. We’re not predicting that we’ll necessarily continue at this pace, and we added an acquisition this quarter, although that was only in there for two months and for three. But we’re still targeting to grow net interest income.
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
And Chris, I know you said you found some problems with the new proposed capital rules, but you’re above guidelines. Could you give us a sense of how much they might detract if they go through in this form, from your tier one common?
Chris Carey
They don’t really affect our tier one common that much. It’s really the risk weighting. They make you risk weight unused commitments under a year, which you didn’t have to before, and then there’s a question - it’s not answered yet - on how you would treat IOs. As I think you know, our IO loans, through the cycle, I think had 2 basis points, so why you would get penalized for having a loan that is 50% LTV with 2 basis points, I understand why banks that underwrote them much differently should get penalized. But we think that one is really not right, and hopefully it will get resolved. So there’s not much affect to our tier one common.
Steven Alexopoulos – J.P. Morgan
And just finally, some banks are sounding much more cautious on the second half. Just saying what they’re hearing from their customers. I know you’re a little bit insulated from that, just given your geography. Can you share with us what you’re hearing from your customers? Any shifts at all? I know the C&I numbers were great this quarter, but…
Russell Goldsmith
On the one hand, we think the outlook going forward in the third quarter looks pretty good, but as I said in my remarks, we’re increasingly seeing signs of people responding to the uncertainties about tax rates and fiscal policy, the debt ceiling, all the things that are out there in the so-called fiscal cliff, as well as some nominal concern about Europe causing people to just become a little more cautious. And I think that will accelerate. That caution is likely to accelerate as we get closer to the election, unless by some miracle the government resolves this issue, which I don’t expect - before the election.
Operator
Your next question comes from Paul Miller from FBR.
Paul Miller - FBR
I had a question about your securities portfolio. It appears that the yields have held up very, very well, but we’ve heard from other banks that we’ve seen some CPR rates approaching 20-30%. I’m just wondering if you can add some color on what you’re seeing on CPR rates, and should the yields on that security portfolio hold up?
Chris Carey
The yields are going to come down, because we’re reinvesting, but we are not expecting a significant decline there.
Paul Miller - FBR
Do you disclose your duration in your Qs?
Chris Carey
Yeah, we disclose it in the press release. It’s three.
Paul Miller - FBR
Three years? And where are you reinvesting it?
Chris Carey
We’re reinvesting it from 90 days to 10 years. There’s a spectrum, but we’re targeting an overall duration of three.
Operator
Your next question comes from Erika Penala from Bank of America.
L. Erika Penala – Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Chris, I appreciate the color that you gave on the margin. And I understand that the prepayment levels are quite unpredictable, but as we think about the second half of the year, is 366 really the starting point?
Chris Carey
Yeah, I think so, Erika. We’re sort of working off last quarter’s prepayment level. So that would say you’d have sort of a level of about the same as that, because we think this quarter was an anomaly. We could still have a higher number like this, but I think at least it gives you some kind of a more normalized baseline.
L. Erika Penala – Bank of America Merrill Lynch
And just to follow up on Steve’s question, could you give us what your tier one common ratio would be, fully phased in for Basel III as per the NPR that came out in June?
Chris Carey
I don’t have it with me, but I think it’s still in the nines.
Operator
Your next question comes from Joe Morford from RBC Capital.
Joe Morford – RBC Capital
First, just a quick follow up on the loan side. Excluding the acquisition, C&I growth accelerated a little bit in the quarter. Did any of that come from increased line utilization at all? Or is it mostly kind of market share driven, or new customers?
Russell Goldsmith
We’re not really seeing a pick-up in line utilization. About half of it is from new clients, but not necessarily line utilization.
Joe Morford – RBC Capital
And then I know you only just recently completed the First American acquisition, but maybe you can share with us just how it’s going, and also the current plans for growing the business, either by cross-selling or doing larger credits. Just also, how interested are you in making other acquisitions of specialty portfolios or companies?
Russell Goldsmith
We’ve been in equipment leasing, as you know, for a number of years, and it was a business that we felt we could be a more significant factor in, and that would be a good fit. We found First American, which was not for sale. We were very impressed with their capabilities, particularly how they have a number of verticals that match up with ours, like healthcare, legal services, in providing the technology, equipment, and office furnishings.
And so we’re very enthused about having them on board, and think we can cross-sell what they do to a number of our clients. We have over 2,400 law firms doing business with City National, so we think we can get them in the door, and get them some opportunities that they wouldn’t otherwise have.
They’ve got a terrific management team led by Bill Verhelle, and they run their business very well, and we want to see them continue to run it under the First American name as they do. Obviously we’ve lowered, effectively, their cost of funding. And it’s only been about six, seven weeks that we’ve been in business together, so I think it’s premature to really speculate as to, beyond introducing them to some of our clients, what the ultimate synergy between the two organizations will be.
We’re not going to shift their business, but obviously we do give them the kind of financial strength where there are some very select opportunities. They might take on some bigger commitments. But we’re going to take it one step at a time, working closely with them.
In terms of whether we would do some other acquisitions, obviously as you know we’re always trying to be on the lookout for opportunities that fit well with our focus as a premiere private and business bank. We picked up, as you know, an asset-based lending portfolio last year. We’ve added a franchise finance team to our franchise finance business.
So whether it’s bringing new people into our organization or making select, discrete acquisitions, we’re always interested and looking for things that would fit with us and share our focus, and get done on a reasonable economic basis.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Klock with Keefe, Bruyette, Woods.
Brian Klock – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
Chris, just a real quick question. You talked about the nonrecurring, non-operating items, if you will, that totaled the $0.11 per share. And on a pre-tax basis, I get $10.4 million versus $9.5 million. Is there something else that I’m missing there? It’s really the three things listed in your bullet on page…
Chris Carey
One of them is the comparison to the first quarter. If you do the change, you’ll get to that $9.5 million.
Brian Klock – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
Okay. I know you guys have already answered most of this question, but on the commercial side, again the growth in the commercial loans on page 10 of your release, part of that was the First American acquisition, right? So it should benefit from those leases also impacting the loan yields for that line item, right?
Chris Carey
Well, the bigger impact in the loan yield in the quarter is the interest recovery of $2.3 million. So that added 15 basis points.
Brian Klock – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
And I know you guys have kind of already said this, but maybe thinking about this from the regions you’re looking at commercial loan growth, does it feel like California, you’re thinking that maybe the outlook is a little bit more subdued because of the things you talk about when you talk to business owners? Or is it across your footprint you’re seeing maybe the outlook for the second half of the year is dampened because of those things? Is it one geography or is it across your whole footprint?
Russell Goldsmith
Well, the good news is that City National is in the more robust parts of the geography. So as you know, we’re pretty much along the coasts, which are the stronger economies, and as I was trying to say, obviously if you get on the peninsula and in the valley of Northern California, the economy is quite robust at this point. Orange County, unemployment levels are a lot lower than the rest of the state.
So I think you’re seeing a reasonably good, modest economy in the counties of California that we’re in, and even in Clark County in Nevada, we’ve seen some pickup there in economic activity. But the fact remains that even in the first half, GDP growth was still around 2% give or take.
So we’ve been dealing with this as an industry for some time now of enough growth to create some jobs, some optimism, some loan demand, but at relatively modest levels. I think that that’s the basic, underlying situation that the economy is in, but as I was trying to suggest, I think there’s a little bit more of a headwind because of the uncertainty, that people just want to be on firmer footing as to what tax rates they’re going to pay, what’s the fiscal stimulus or lack thereof going to be out of Washington. Investors, business people, entrepreneurs like certainty, or more certainty, than I think they’re seeing right at the moment. But it’s a balance.
When I look at our pipelines, we’ve got loans in the pipeline, and I think there’s a certain amount of optimism that’s out there, notwithstanding national and global situations. Because the economy has been moving along on a relatively positive basis for quite some time now.
Brian Klock – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods
I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but thinking about it, you should still have some tailwinds with a good pipeline, and maybe the second quarter growth may not be met, but still some pretty good growth going into the third quarter.
Russell Goldsmith
That’s what we’d like to see.
Operator
Your next question comes from John G. Pancari from Evercore Partners.
John G. Pancari – Evercore Partners
Can you talk a little bit about what you’re seeing in terms of loan pricing, in California particularly? We’ve been hearing that it’s getting much more competitive. And also in your other markets?
Russell Goldsmith
Well, I think that loan pricing, we’ve been living in an environment where there’s pressure on loan pricing, and where lending is very competitive. The fact is, when you find a credit-worthy borrower, fortunately for the economy and unfortunately for any individual bank, there’s multiple banks competing to lend money to credit-worthy borrowers. I think it’s a great time to be a borrower. Rates are extremely low, and there’s a lot of competition.
The good news for City National is we’ve been growing our client base and staying competitive without doing things that we think are inappropriate. So I think there’s a balance. There’s always a balance of getting the structure right, getting reasonable pricing. It’s a little more challenging in this low interest rate environment. But as you can see from the numbers, we’ve been finding a balance where we can grow loans and grow net income income.
John G. Pancari – Evercore Partners
And then secondly, can you talk a little bit about your plans for the securities portfolios? I know you added a bit to it this quarter. Is your plan going forward to just reinvest here and keep it relatively stable?
Chris Carey
It’s really going to be a function of what happens with loan deposit growth. If we have excess deposit growth, it will grow. We don’t really have any borrowings that we really can pay down, other than things that fluctuate daily. So if we get really strong loan growth, in excess of deposit growth, it won’t grow. If it goes the other way, it would.
John G. Pancari – Evercore Partners
And then you had modest growth in the resi mortgage book this quarter. What are your plans there? Do you expect to be adding to that book and take advantage of some of the demand there on the resi mortgage front? Or do you think it could remain flattish?
Russell Goldsmith
Well, we’ve seen a lot of activity, actually, in that space. A lot of refinancing and rate modification. But at the same time, we’re also, encouragingly enough, seeing a lot of purchase activity. As I mentioned, housing prices have picked up, sales have picked up, for a number of months now. You know, that’s an area where it depends to some significant degree on competitive pricing, and we are competitively pricing our mortgages. So I would think you’ll continue to see some modest growth in that portfolio.
Chris Carey
And I would just add, unfortunately you also have, in that area, a lot of our private clients with a lot of excess cash. So you’re seeing some people just pay out and not have the mortgage. But that’s no different than what’s happening in the commercial [booking spots].
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jennifer Demba from SunTrust.
Jennifer Demba – SunTrust
Could you talk about was there any disproportionate impact in your loan growth in the second quarter from that franchise team you hired? Or any other chunkiness? That was a very healthy growth you had, even ex the equipment finance lender. And then also, if you could give us an update on the Nashville and Atlanta offices.
Chris Carey
There wasn’t any really chunky growth, and the franchise group has done a transaction or two, but it’s not driving the results at all. It was pretty well spread out again, among our business groups, frankly, and proportionate to the size of their books.
Russell Goldsmith
With regard to Atlanta and Nashville, we’re very pleased with how those offices are going. They’re off to a very good start, building loans and deposits really somewhat ahead of our expectations. The reaction we’ve gotten, principally from the entertainment communicate - as you know that’s the focus of those two offices, largely - has been very positive. We’ve got some great bankers in both areas. And we’re delighted to be in Nashville and Atlanta. Obviously, in each market, for those who haven’t followed it, we just have one office in each area, focused principally on the dynamic entertainment communities that are there, and so much of which link up to the businesses that we have in New York and Los Angeles with entertainment.
Operator
[Operator instructions.] Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Katz from Morgan Stanley.
Jonathan Katz - Morgan Stanley
Just a quick question on the $5.9 million recovery on the previously charged off loans. Does that show up anywhere in the revenue lines? Or is it really just a driver behind the low provision expense in the quarter?
Chris Carey
No, it’s totally separate. $2.3 million is in interest income, and $3.6 million is in legal. You don’t really notice the legal. It reduces legal by $3.6 million and increases net interest income by $2.3 million. Also, in legal we have $2.8 million in transaction costs related to the two acquisitions, so it doesn’t show up as much in the legal, but its net is in there.
Operator
At this time, there are no more questions in the audio queue, so I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Goldsmith.
Russell Goldsmith
I want to thank everybody who participated in the call for joining us today. We always appreciate your interest in City National, and look forward to talking to you again at the end of the third quarter. Meanwhile, of course, feel free to call Chris or me if any other questions occur to you. Thanks again.
Copyright policy: All transcripts on this site are the copyright of Seeking Alpha. However, we view them as an important resource for bloggers and journalists, and are excited to contribute to the democratization of financial information on the Internet. (Until now investors have had to pay thousands of dollars in subscription fees for transcripts.) So our reproduction policy is as follows: You may quote up to 400 words of any transcript on the condition that you attribute the transcript to Seeking Alpha and either link to the original transcript or to www.SeekingAlpha.com. All other use is prohibited.
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HERE IS A TEXTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE APPLICABLE COMPANY'S CONFERENCE CALL, CONFERENCE PRESENTATION OR OTHER AUDIO PRESENTATION, AND WHILE EFFORTS ARE MADE TO PROVIDE AN ACCURATE TRANSCRIPTION, THERE MAY BE MATERIAL ERRORS, OMISSIONS, OR INACCURACIES IN THE REPORTING OF THE SUBSTANCE OF THE AUDIO PRESENTATIONS. IN NO WAY DOES SEEKING ALPHA ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY INVESTMENT OR OTHER DECISIONS MADE BASED UPON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THIS WEB SITE OR IN ANY TRANSCRIPT. USERS ARE ADVISED TO REVIEW THE APPLICABLE COMPANY'S AUDIO PRESENTATION ITSELF AND THE APPLICABLE COMPANY'S SEC FILINGS BEFORE MAKING ANY INVESTMENT OR OTHER DECISIONS.
If you have any additional questions about our online transcripts, please contact us at: transcripts@seekingalpha.com. Thank you!