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My earlier post about the possible oil bubble seems to have touched a nerve, so here is more. The good people at Factset have out a fascinating new report on the same subject -- how energy markets are becoming awfully bubblish -- and it's worth a read in its entirety.
Here is one quick figure from the report showing how profits are growing so quickly that oil companies can't keep up by raising prices. It creates an interesting box for energy companies and is one sign of a crack in the market.(Click chart to enlarge.)
To be clear, I see no reason why oil prices tumble materially tomorrow. Matter of fact, I'm usually two years too early on these calls -- at least I was in 1998 on dot-coms, and again in 2004 on housing markets -- but it feels, as they say, directionally correct (couldn't resist), and the vehemence of perma-petro-bulls helps (and you can be petro-skeptical and an energy bull at same time).
More seriously, I don't buy the argument that oil is a special case. Yes, oil supply is finite and yes, demand is growing, and yes, energy is the core of our modern life, but oil is also a classic complex system: Small demand perturbations, given the market's current criticality (c.f., Per Bak), could have massive implications for price. Oil is special, but it's not that special.
So, what would it to take oil prices down from here?
- A huge oil find might help, but it wouldn't likely make much difference. Too long to market, too much capital, too much uncertainty about productive size, etc.
- A brilliant technology innovation would do the deed, but you have to be truly a wild-eyed optimistic sort to buy that argument, at least in the short run.
About the only thing I can realistically imagine is a material decrease in demand, or potentially in demand growth. Oil supply and demand are currently delicately balanced at the 85-million barrels-a-day mark, and supply is growing, at least a little. A decrease in demand growth, likely caused by a regional recession in China/India/Europe, or an outright demand decrease, which could only be caused by a global recession, would do the deed.
And how likely are either of the above? At current prices, a lot more likely than they were $30-a-barrel ago.
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This article has 31 comments:
According to that Bespoke chart on your blog, it looks like we have at least another 30% upside from here and maybe another year.
Unlike the other 2 recent bubbles on the chart, this will produce some fantastic innovations in energy efficiency so the pain is not without gain. The last oil bubbles reduced the US energy per economic unit requirement by 20% each.
Any decrease in price would be met by an increase in demand an therefore offset.
I am shocked by the number of people who seem to be unable to understand the principle of 'supply and demand'.
Common Sense
speculation to supply and demand is like an amplifier to a guitar.
And that is about all you really need to know when trying to comprehend the price of oil and where it is going.
Long term, the realities of peak oil are clear. Sure we can (and should be) drilling in ANWR and off our coasts, and that will certainly help keep up with worldwide depletion rates. However, what the US government, media, and citizens need to do to prepare and protect the US from its biggest national security threat (peak oil) is to:
1) acknowledge peak oil (no problem can be solved until it is first acknowledged). forget the talking heads on CNBC and elsewhere, peak oil is a fact, and peak oil realities are here NOW.
2) craft a US energy policy to prepare and protect us from peak oil.
Here is a damn good start:
seekingalpha.com/artic...
I posted this on April 4, 2008 and oil was around $100/barrel. It's up nearly 20% since then, and now trades at $124/barrel. Still, no word from the President or Congress on an REAL energy policy.
So, oil will go higher. Stick with ConocoPhillips, nat gas stocks, and inflation hedges. The US simply doesnt have a clue at the crisis it is facing.
it increases the quantity demanded... but not demand.
A handful of billionaires are pushing oil futures into bubble territory. Throngs of suckers will eventually be left holding the bag - as with all bubbles.
Fuel cell vehicles at potentially $50,000 are starting to look reasonably priced now. Home hydrogen recharging units could make fuel virtually free:
money.cnn.com/magazine...
This is a huge bubble. Like others keep saying: "Where are the shortages; where are the long gas lines?" Once they change the oil future margin requirements within the next week or so, what's going to happen to this bubble?
Pursley
How do you know oil is finite? Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe and carbon is the fourth most common element in the universe.
A recession in Chindia? Seriously?
"I think the people who are making forecasts don't know what they're talking about. Because we really don't know." -- Peter Bernstein
The Fed is out there handing out money for the I-banks to put into the market and drive the bubble even higher. What the heck to people think the I-banks are doing with the t-bills they get in return for junk? They're using them to leverage up to make more (commodity) investments to bail themselves out and at the same time building in more bubbles - as I predicted back in February. There is only one way this market is going to end and its going to be a doozy.
It's Iran, stupid.
Dude just get lost! You are nothing but a bum!
Second to the session:
Are you for real??
'it increases the quantity demanded... but not demand.'
That is an increase in demand. When things, people need, are cheaper, they buy more of it.
Go back to economics 101.
HELLOO?? gasoline supplies are higher than in the past 5 years, refiners lose money these days or hardly make any - so every $ increase in oil price serves as a direct disincentive for refiners and crude supplies are very high right now
the long term fundamentals are there to justify even higher prices. but get real: there are many peak-commodities out there that do not command such a rich premium to replacement costs as oil does.
it is all about perception, again. the moment the hoarding stops prices will retreat.
imho "paper oil" (i.e. oil futures) have started to decouple from the real stuff. when they catch up to reality, there will be a short, but very brutal sell-off.
that being said, long-term, 160$-200$ oil are a matter of a few years only
1. When the price of something gets high enough, markets always correct themselves. No matter how "special" a commodity, oil (...and tulips, for that matter) is not an exception to the rules of economics.
2. Demand for any product is not totally inelastic, people are beginning to curb their energy usage already. High prices are also bringing to market alternate substitutes for gasoline.
3. Living in the oil patch, we've seen these oil bubbles before. Of course, how and when this one will end is anybody's guess... but it will...!
The earth is awash in oil. We will never run out of oil. The problems is that everything in our civilization has been designed to operate on $30 oil. Now that oil is $130 all that stuff (cars, trucks, buildings, planes) our civilization has built no longer makes sense. How can a person live in a house that has a $40,000 heating bill attached? There were some solutions but the oil companies have made sure that meaningful conservation has not been developed in time to make a difference. I think you better buy yourself a really warm coat and start hoarding some canned goods. Things are going to get really nasty.
I would like to ask HOW ?
1. If I were OPEC I would let her know who really has the "power". Tomorrow and for one day:
2. I would stop drilling.
3. Oil tankers would not leave port.
4. Pipelines would be turned off.
5. Close all gas stations.
6. Stop all deliveries of any petro chemical related goods to stores, etc.
7. Shut down all refineries
8. All tanker trucks would pull over and take the day off.
Take that - you big mouthed idiot twat.
They have had years to get ready, but for some reason, they have been focused on SUV, etc, rather than preparing for what people are going to need in the future.
I look at Toyota, Honda, Nissan and they are really getting their act together and we can't even copy what they are doing. I am Mad!
The Wind
With Oil at $125+, and so much dissension, there is no need to fear a bubble. On the other hand, a coordinated effort by the US and Opec, could drop Oil 10% sometime soon...an end to Nigeria's woes would be the best thing and add maybe 5% to that drop...
that being said, it will be a temporary drop. Psycological...Opec's unused capacity is totally comprised of the heavy/sour grades which most of the world can't refine...US reserves will be tapped temporarily...Nigeria is ify..
Hurricane season is coming boys and girls...the forecasts are grim.
The oil price on the other hand, is hated by everybody. There are even NYMEX floor traders, who call it crazy (I guess they went short and got their butts kicked).
That is not a bubbly environment.
The problem is, that people don't understand the oil business. The 30 year long underinvestment, the time it takes to bring new production online. Joe Kernen type folks, who neglect the fact, that in the time new production comes online, existing fields are being depleted. They don't understand refinery runs, that's why most people thought the last inventory data was bearish, when it was exactly the opposite.
By the way, I bet half of that price increase last week was because of all that populist talk of gas tax breaks during the driving season. You lower the price and demand destruction doesn't take place and then the price goes up again. Traders anticipate that.
Don't get me wrong. I guess they're gonna take 5 or 10 bucks of the barrel after every rally, BUT THE OILBOOM WILL ONLY COME TO END WHEN EITHER THE WORLD ECONOMY IS IN THE TOILET OR WHEN OIL IS NO LONGER THE PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION FUEL.
People in the west are used to, that only they take advantage of all the valuable commodities our planet has to offer. That is over, because 2 billion people want a piece of the pie and they don't care, if we here want commodities to be dirt cheap. They can pay for it and they are gonna buy the stuff.
GET USED TO IT!
But I don't see oil at $30 in my lifetime. There's plenty of global demand and although supply seems adequate for the moment, the long-term picture there isn't pretty. Especially in dollar terms, I see nowhere for oil to go but up. And pullbacks will be of short duration, a few years long at most, and modest at that. But in any terms you like, even gold, the long-run standard of real value, oil's headed only higher. Nothing short of revolutionary technological advances can change that. Either those advances will come before the remaining oil becomes prohibitively expensive to extract and consume or they won't. If there's an afterlife (hah!) have your grandchildren let me know, will you? Meanwhile, oil at $100 is a screaming buy, and at $75 I'd happily bet my life on it.
In the short term, oil most likely would decline due to global economic slowdown. This slowdown should include india and china. I agree with the prediction oil will be back at 70 by next summer. I don't know if the summer is going to be a prosperous time though, I doubt it.
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oil carries a cost.
Oil is going to go up, up, up for another 10-15 years before the middle class consumer is REALLY going to be pinched, where gasoline/heating/elect... bills will be around 50% of the monthly bills of a typical American household. Then you might actually see some real changes. I don't have the answers to this mess (I wish I did), but that is not what this debate is about. The debate is whether or not you should buy more oil and natural gas stocks, and my answer is YES. Buy as much as you can now and sell them in 25 years, because these stocks will be worthless in 30-40 years when we run out of oil and natural gas.