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General Electric (GE) looks as though it'll sell off its appliances business, and John Gapper wonders

why GE is not prepared to invest enough in the business to turn it into a global powerhouse when it clearly expects someone else to buy it for that reason.

I think the answer is the same as the reason why CBS bought CNet: publicly-listed companies, be they CBS (CBS) or GE, feel the need to show impressive growth rates, not just in revenues but also in earnings.

A large investment in the GE appliances brand would certainly be expensive; it would also have a relatively low return even if it were successful, because appliances, even when you're a global powerhouse, are a pretty low-margin business.

Haier, of China, by contrast, doesn't have the same pressure from shareholders that GE has. It's perfectly happy to slowly and steadily build a global brand, and it's exported so much over the past few years that has lots of dollars to spend doing so.

The hardest nut to crack if you're trying to build a global brand, of course, is always the USA, so buying GE's appliances business would give Haier a very strong competitive footing against the likes of Korea's LG - and it could get that position overnight, rather than having to build it organically like LG has done.

Meanwhile, GE can take the proceeds from the sale and invest them (if all goes according to plan) at an IRR well above anything Haier might require. Everybody's happy - except, as Gapper notes, the GE Appliances brass in Louisville.

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    The REAL reason GE has had such a hard time in the appliance market is directly related to the several unions that have refused to make concessions worthwhile enough to let the division expand. How much do assembly line workers take down in wages and benefits per year in Appliance Park? I know, do you? GE has cut corner after corner to reduce costs but keep the unions from going out on wildcat strikes as they have done several times in the past. The Louisville workers who are now freaking out about their future can thank their unions for squeezing the profitability out of the division.
    2008 May 16 02:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes GElongrider, why does the middle class in this country think they should be able to enjoy a comfortable living. Is your mantra bureaucracy rules? Don't they know that to REALLY live the American dream you must be asleep!
    2008 May 16 02:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    I've had 2 GE microwaves quit on me in the past two years. Maybe the Chinese could improve the product quality.
    2008 May 16 03:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    GE is junk, if you want a good Fridge, buy a Samsung.
    2008 May 16 03:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    If you want a good microwave, buy a Panasonic.
    2008 May 16 03:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    That's because the bureaucrat's have sent all the manufacturing out of the country already! Perhaps if our educational system wasn't in shambles, the engineers in this country would be properly trained. Instead they become "business" majors!
    2008 May 16 03:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    Even large dinosaurs get eaten by more aggressive predators. Nature is very efficient and so should business.
    2008 May 16 03:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    Anything that makes GE leaner I'm all for! If only they would spin off their energy business... Oh wait, no one would want the rest of the parts.
    2008 May 16 04:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think it's time to replace Immelt he seems to be the problem.Selling appliances is crazy,it is what GE was founded on and what GE is recognized for around the USA.Immelt says it goes only as the US economy,what does he think built GE the American people,he needs to invest in the good old Usa instead of turning his back when the economy needs GE the most.He has been a terrible manager since taking over GE,the stock prices show his results and shareholders thinking of the kind of job he hasn't done.I think it's time for him to be ousted.
    2008 May 16 06:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    "That's because the bureaucrat's have sent all the manufacturing out of the country already! Perhaps if our educational system wasn't in shambles, the engineers in this country would be properly trained. Instead they become "business" majors!"

    Americafirst..... the problem lies in the fact that many unions don't understand how business works, the importance and necessity of shareholders. Maybe if some of them truly understood business they wouldn't end up causing businesses to close, putting their members out on the street.

    The engineers are pressured to cut all the corners they can to affect cost savings, savings many of the unions refuse to participate in. Don't blame the engineers, it's through their cost saving attempts that the union rank-in-file has enjoyed a comfortable standard of living. The employees have a say in the quality of the products they produce at GE, so what's your excuse there?
    2008 May 16 06:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    GE makes junk. I worked for a key supplier to GE Appliance, and we gave them our lowest grade stuff. All our good product went to Whirlpool and Maytag.

    GE, like Microsoft, is now run by an ultimate Peter Principle guy, a shadow of his predecessor.
    2008 May 16 11:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well, as an ex-GE employee, I will say one thing, internally GE do not invest and organically nurture its business. What GE is great at is marketing, making tons of **BS*** claims, making acquisitions, trimming costs, innovate on other people's idea and
    keep boatloads of people trying to squeeze as much cost out as possible.

    It's a good for shareholder but I would not want to work there. You be the judge on whether GE is good for you. :)-
    2008 May 17 12:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    It is a good idea.
    2008 May 17 12:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have a small GE refrigerator at my office. It has served well for 5 or
    so years.

    But it is made in China, like most everything else these days.
    2008 May 17 07:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think the commenter on the Appliance Park wages hit it on the head. GE should stay in the appliance business from a historical and ethical and patriotic standpoint. We do not need to create more McJobs....but the wages and benefits for GE employees are huge....I have seen it first hand......and when you add worker's comp and the litigation and the fact that our comp laws are so liberal that the normal ageing process gets stuck on GE's bill,,,,
    Haier can buy it and make the appliances in China and ship them here for a lot less than it costs to make them in Louisville......or if shipping is an issue Haier can make them in Mexico and ship them across the border. Politically GE can't do that. So the sale is really about politics and PR. They know that something has to be done drastically but they just can't, as an American icon, do the dirty work themselves.
    2008 May 17 11:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    And I would add that from my perspective GE's manufacturing management is second to none worldwide..........it is all in the politics and PR.......and I have done a lot of work for GE over the years.....if the Unions and the worker's comp attorneys were flexible they could make a good product with reasonable wages and good profits but doing heavy manufacturing in this litigation laden hell is just not going to work.....And the next place this is going to happen is in jet engines........right now they have a lot of work since we are in Iraq burning up a lot of turbines.......and they have to be domestically sourced.........but Brazil and the third world have engine rebuild facilities equal to ours and that is where the commercial work is headed. In ten years the entire manufacturing process will be overseas.....same problem......The IAM better wake up soon but I think the ages of the employees are just too high to enable them to think about who is going to be making these jet engines in 15 years....as long as they get their retirement checks and worker's comp awards.......who cares? Their kids can work for the government as firemen or policmen or prison guards at 200K per year.
    2008 May 17 11:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oh I go on........and GE provides good health benefits for its employees....and even if Haier was to have a United States facility it does not have to worry about health benefits. GE spends another 7000 per year on health insurance for every employee and when you add the families and the hangers on it is a lot more........they just cannot make washing machines profitably on that.......Something has to give.......
    2008 May 17 11:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    It is not the management that has sent all these jobs overseas........it is the doctors and the lawyers......and the workers
    2008 May 17 11:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    So spin it off to the union itself using LBO financing. Make it worker owned.
    2008 May 18 02:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    I have worked for GE 18 years. I was A VP in the Infrastructure group before I left. Today I own no GE stock except for what is in my retirement/pension/401...

    GE is in alot of trouble and has been for quite some time.
    1st you have to understand that in order to remain a business unit within GE you have to maintain either 1st or 2nd in your primary market focus. You fall to 3rd and stay there more than 30 months....your sold! Unless you are in the Industrial group.
    GE considers the industrial group the business that brought them to the party. The IG has been declining for 2 decades. Energy and infrastrucure has been there 2 shiners over the past decade, but those BU'shave been historically manipulated so no one really knows what there true ROI is.

    GE has changed dramatically in the past decade, going away from its industrial base and heading for finance, software platforms, biomedical and energy.
    IG will be spun off on its own in the next 5 years. In 06 GE sold off its industrial distribution arm which was the 1st sign of things to come in that BU.

    GE management is responsible for outsourcing its workforce oversees.
    Heres a tidbit of info that is not known right before I go;
    GE and TATA Group, lets just say they are learning the 2 step.
    2008 May 18 02:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Unions are necessary as we all know.. however, their brotherhood creed to protect all workers is faulty.. they demand the company keep employing the deadbeats, the drunks, the habitual tardy.. the worker with the bad attitude that spews poison against the very company they work for. If unions would wake up to the productivity requirements of their employers, more companies would have best in class products and jobs would be saved. GE is a prime example.. a job for life?.. the world has changed, either pull your own weight or you will be on the sidelines crying "Foul.. Foul.."

    Trucking is a leading example.. teamsters still keep the deadbeats and low producers.. it defies common sense.. eventually.. it will change and catch up to the small minded leaders of unions, most who only have a HS education but think they know everything about business. Again, my main point is they fight the companies trying to improve productivity, they keep the deadbeats in jobs.
    Having managed several union and non union trucking companies the past 25 years, and having a deadbeat Bro-in-law regale me with stories how he cheats his employer (Ford) and the company cannot touch him, "he does just enough to get by".. "its not my job".. his venom against his employer.. his job is slowly getting replaced just as in the trucking business.. non union companies now dominate the market. By the way.. I think unions are necessary but need to wake up.
    2008 May 18 08:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Has Haier even expressed interest? Would this fall under the Haier electronics subsidiary or the actual Haier of Beijing? Interesting you would suggest Haier could be a potential buyer; I would have said the same. It would be a major step-up in the U.S. market, but does Haier want/have capabilities to adapt to a higher-end market this soon in the game/U.S.?
    2008 May 18 06:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    I worked for GE Plastics before. GE doesn't invest in R&D. Because it is longterm and can't see benifit months or quarters later. The cost will reduce profit in finance report. But during time passing, industiral section competitive strength is weak. That is GE style. I think GE will remove more and more industrial section. GE will not be an industrial company...
    2008 May 24 02:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    The appliance divisions sales dropped from 10.7 billion to 10.4 billion last year. The division still posted a profit to G.E. (on paper at least), but because of this 300 million drop in sales and concerns about further drops due to the U.S. houseing market they decided to sell the division. A 300 million sales drop while still selling 10.4 billion is suddenly cause for panic? No, it isn't, other posters here have already cited the primary concerns.

    An ageing workforce whose medical expenses are becoming unsupportable. Lack of productivity due to union rules and influence causeing the retention of marginal and even counterproductive workers. G.E.'s failure to innovate or maintain the leading edge quality they once had, they have become the cheaper "brand B" that some turn to because of monetary constaints while knowing they are buying an inferior product.

    As was said above G.E. makes junk, they know it and so does thier workforce, yet this does not seem to give thier workforce any pause as they continue thier demands for more benefits, shorter hours, improved pay, and a less strenuous work enviroment. Basically they like many other american industrial workers before them have eliminated thier own jobs by failing completely to understand the need to be competitive against thier competitors in what is now a worldwide marketplace.

    As the value of the dollar continues to fall and reach new record lows overseas there will be some small relief to the few companies still struggling to manufacture goods within this country. However there are still many other factors that stunt thier chances of success. Employer contributions to worker medical benefits has become an ever expanding black hole that sucks the profits out of any company forced to provide them without reduceing coverage or increaseing co-payments.

    I recently watched as what was a wildly successful start-up company four years ago closed it's doors. When asked why the company had failed the founder stated quite simply, "I made a hugh mistake when I started this thing, I promised them health care. I kept that promise and it bankrupted the company and me personally." Wanting more details I stupidly continued asking questions. Next thing I knew I was on the ground with blood coming from my nose. "Listen you f*cking blood sucker I kept my g*ddamn promise to those f*ckers and they f*cked me. I told them the company would close, I begged them to cut down on the g*ddamn docter and hospital visits, I begged them not to go to the E.R. because johnny had the sniffles, what happened?....what happened?...WHAT HAPPENED!!! THEY WENT MORE!!! I'm f*cking broke, I'm bankrupt, and the g*ddamn company still owes another $430,000 in medical bills!!!"

    While I cannot represent the mental breakdown of one business owner as being indicitive I feel free to use it as an illustration of my point.


    2008 May 25 05:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have been an appliance employee for 30 years now they are dumping us thinking this will help the stock. That is a joke. What stocks are doing well? Except oil and Google. I will never buy anything Ge again. I have given most of my life to this company now they are feeding us to the dogs and giving us zip in return. What are American works going to do. We don’t produce nothing and when the companies stock goes down dump the company an its employees that will fix it. I worry about are children there is no company loyalty anymore
    2008 Jun 16 09:45 AM | Link | Reply
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    GELONGRIDER,
    You must be a ge manger! If you were a worker you would see we need unions. In my 30 years with ge I have seen many managers come in and not like a guy and try to fire them for no reason. This is management mentality. You need someone there to help us or big companies would cut wages every year. I don’t know what world you are living in, ge cuts corners to make more money. Buy cheap parts and buys junk from Korea Malaysia an china. The housing market has been bad so with that so will the appliance market.Its not the fault of the workers at appliance park.
    2008 Jun 16 10:07 AM | Link | Reply
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    As a GE light bulb maker going through the same thing, I would like to know what is going on at your plant? We are awaiting word what will happen at our plant...
    It is so nice how they tell you this and then just leave you wondering what the future holds for you... From what I am reading... there are 1,000's of us who are getting screwed out of our pension... Seems like everyone was 18 month's or less away from the 55/25 retirement package... Seems like if we signed a contract that ends 2011, we should be protected until then... are you an unionized plant there? hope we will ban together and get what we worked all theses years for...

    I am not being nosy, I work in Warren, Ohio at a lighting plant, which you know is in the "SPIN-OFF"... Any info would be appreciated... we heard that your wages were cut and you have to pay your own benifits... just wondering what's up the road for us here in Warren...

    Thank again


    On Jun 16 09:45 AM MRFIXER wrote:

    > I have been an appliance employee for 30 years now they are dumping
    > us thinking this will help the stock. That is a joke. What stocks
    > are doing well? Except oil and Google. I will never buy anything
    > Ge again. I have given most of my life to this company now they are
    > feeding us to the dogs and giving us zip in return. What are American
    > works going to do. We don’t produce nothing and when the companies
    > stock goes down dump the company an its employees that will fix it.
    > I worry about are children there is no company loyalty anymore
    2008 Aug 01 05:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    ANY GE UP DATES?
    2008 Aug 16 09:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think that it's a good thing! you talk about America first, its about time that the people from other cultures take what is rightfully theirs back from the country of theives!! I say go other countries!! Take back your power and let America see how it feels to have something stolen from them for once!!!


    On 2008 May 16 03:53 PM americafirst wrote:

    > That's because the bureaucrat's have sent all the manufacturing out
    > of the country already! Perhaps if our educational system wasn't
    > in shambles, the engineers in this country would be properly trained.
    > Instead they become "business" majors!
    Oct 08 01:49 PM | Link | Reply